"Flawed car survey" delays Hythe Sainsbury's plans

"Flawed car survey" delays Hythe Sainsbury's plans

First published in News

SAINSBURY’S plans to open its next superstore in Colchester have been delayed by concerns over potentially flawed traffic data.

The supermarket giant has submitted a planning application to Colchester Council to transform the B&Q store in Lightship Way, at the Hythe, into the town’s fourth Sainsbury’s store – creating 450 jobs.

A decision on the proposals was expected to have been made by the council by July 4.

However, a traffic assessment submitted with the application has halted the process.

Sainsbury’s claims the 73,000 sq ft store would not have a “severe” impact on traffic.

But a Colchester Council spokesman said: “We have some questions regarding the methodology used for the traffic assessment – especially the use of local demographics to justify a reduced car trip generation.

“We are awaiting a response from the transport consultants (Vectos) on these issues, but at present are not in a position to determine the application.”

Sainsbury’s traffic assessment claims many shoppers are likely to walk, cycle or use the bus to get to the store.

See Monday's Gazette for a special report.

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11:05am Mon 28 Jul 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

Strange the planning committee call this in on the basis of Flawed Traffic Data. The Planning Committee didn't consider the adverse impact in and around North Station on residents when they went ahead and approved another 3,300 homes in North Colchester.

Perhaps Sainsburys didn't offer the same incentives to the council (or councillors) that Mersea Homes gave!
Strange the planning committee call this in on the basis of Flawed Traffic Data. The Planning Committee didn't consider the adverse impact in and around North Station on residents when they went ahead and approved another 3,300 homes in North Colchester. Perhaps Sainsburys didn't offer the same incentives to the council (or councillors) that Mersea Homes gave! Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: 51

11:10am Mon 28 Jul 14

co2 says...

Having to travel frequentlt through the hythe I agree the area is already congested at peak time,at high tide haven road get badly flooded on one side causing traffic hold ups,once a week I have to do a journey,if I travel through at 4.15 I get a clear run through,at 4.45 it can take up to 30 minutes,another supermarket will not ease the problem,neither have the thousands of new homes in the hythe area.
Having to travel frequentlt through the hythe I agree the area is already congested at peak time,at high tide haven road get badly flooded on one side causing traffic hold ups,once a week I have to do a journey,if I travel through at 4.15 I get a clear run through,at 4.45 it can take up to 30 minutes,another supermarket will not ease the problem,neither have the thousands of new homes in the hythe area. co2
  • Score: 22

11:12am Mon 28 Jul 14

sam vines says...

Perhaps they have finally come out of their slumber and beginning to realise we have a highway infrastructure problem and the park and ride is not going to solve it.
Perhaps they have finally come out of their slumber and beginning to realise we have a highway infrastructure problem and the park and ride is not going to solve it. sam vines
  • Score: 19

11:12am Mon 28 Jul 14

jut1972 says...

Say it.. you read my mind. They don't give a toss if it's housing but for a business creating jobs they'll apply the letter of the law.
Say it.. you read my mind. They don't give a toss if it's housing but for a business creating jobs they'll apply the letter of the law. jut1972
  • Score: 29

1:10pm Mon 28 Jul 14

John5 Salary says...

Does this mean we can keep B&Q?
Does this mean we can keep B&Q? John5 Salary
  • Score: 3

5:22pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Linstock says...

Sainsburys customers walking? on a bus? who do these clowns think they are talking too.....oh Col. Council well that would be about right then ...they believe any old crap and allow it built it without regard of common sense even.
Sainsburys customers walking? on a bus? who do these clowns think they are talking too.....oh Col. Council well that would be about right then ...they believe any old crap and allow it built it without regard of common sense even. Linstock
  • Score: 3

6:16pm Mon 28 Jul 14

seikothrill says...

Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
Strange the planning committee call this in on the basis of Flawed Traffic Data. The Planning Committee didn't consider the adverse impact in and around North Station on residents when they went ahead and approved another 3,300 homes in North Colchester.

Perhaps Sainsburys didn't offer the same incentives to the council (or councillors) that Mersea Homes gave!
Spot on SIAIIO

Something doesn't sit comfortably with me regarding this Traffic Data Report and that of North Station.............
.....ahhh it must be the colour of the envelopes
[quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: Strange the planning committee call this in on the basis of Flawed Traffic Data. The Planning Committee didn't consider the adverse impact in and around North Station on residents when they went ahead and approved another 3,300 homes in North Colchester. Perhaps Sainsburys didn't offer the same incentives to the council (or councillors) that Mersea Homes gave![/p][/quote]Spot on SIAIIO Something doesn't sit comfortably with me regarding this Traffic Data Report and that of North Station............. .....ahhh it must be the colour of the envelopes seikothrill
  • Score: 6

7:07pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Frank Scully says...

John5 Salary wrote:
Does this mean we can keep B&Q?
B&Q have already sold their store to Sainsburys and have until 2015 to vacate the site. It should have happened earlier but B&Q have been having difficulty finding another site.
[quote][p][bold]John5 Salary[/bold] wrote: Does this mean we can keep B&Q?[/p][/quote]B&Q have already sold their store to Sainsburys and have until 2015 to vacate the site. It should have happened earlier but B&Q have been having difficulty finding another site. Frank Scully
  • Score: 3

9:07pm Mon 28 Jul 14

greenbroker says...

I think it's because larger supermarkets are feeling the pinch from the the discounters. This could be an opt out.
I think it's because larger supermarkets are feeling the pinch from the the discounters. This could be an opt out. greenbroker
  • Score: -3

1:12am Tue 29 Jul 14

colchester300yrs says...

People are going to walk and cycle, with bags full of heavy shopping? Dream on.
How many people "walk and cycle" to tescos?
Perhaps someone will explain why we need two massive supermarkets within a quarter mile of each other.
B&Q is far more useful.
People are going to walk and cycle, with bags full of heavy shopping? Dream on. How many people "walk and cycle" to tescos? Perhaps someone will explain why we need two massive supermarkets within a quarter mile of each other. B&Q is far more useful. colchester300yrs
  • Score: 11

8:59am Tue 29 Jul 14

G.Speel says...

Get real. Who on earth is is going to walk or cycle or take a bus to this proposed new supermarket? Some will of course but the majority will use their car. When was the last time anyone saw someone walking with bags full of shopping, cycling with panniers bulging with food or even catching a bus with armfuls of shopping? Check out Sainsburys at Tollgate to get the answer. Can you imagine someone saying 'let's go to Tescos at Highwoods on our bikes darling (not that I would) and buy our weeks shopping. Only those who live on fresh air would do that! What a load of rubbish!
Get real. Who on earth is is going to walk or cycle or take a bus to this proposed new supermarket? Some will of course but the majority will use their car. When was the last time anyone saw someone walking with bags full of shopping, cycling with panniers bulging with food or even catching a bus with armfuls of shopping? Check out Sainsburys at Tollgate to get the answer. Can you imagine someone saying 'let's go to Tescos at Highwoods on our bikes darling (not that I would) and buy our weeks shopping. Only those who live on fresh air would do that! What a load of rubbish! G.Speel
  • Score: 11

10:19am Tue 29 Jul 14

totallyfootball says...

Flawed traffic data, really, never bothered them before? Why the hell do we need another super store in this town any way?
Flawed traffic data, really, never bothered them before? Why the hell do we need another super store in this town any way? totallyfootball
  • Score: 7

12:34pm Tue 29 Jul 14

romantic says...

Look at Google Maps and compare B & Q with Tesco. The site is massive! In fact, it seems to be among the largest buildings in Colchester. But with less parking space. Somebody in head office might believe everybody's going to walk there, but most people won't.

At B & Q, people tend to be in there for a long time, so there's not so much in and out traffic. Supermarkets, people will often "just pop in" for a few things. This will generate a lot of traffic - firstly in the car park itself, where people will be trying to get as close as possible to the entrance, and secondly at the roundabout on the main road. People trying to turn right there have to act fast to get out. That will quickly back up along Lightship Way at busy times. Only way they could do it: traffic lights on the roundabout, and nobody likes those!

There is the student population, true, and they will tend to walk or cycle, but I would reckon 80% of spending at Tesco would go out in cars, and this will be the same.

Let's not kid ourselves, this development will go ahead. Sainsbury's will keep tinkering and pushing until that happens.
Look at Google Maps and compare B & Q with Tesco. The site is massive! In fact, it seems to be among the largest buildings in Colchester. But with less parking space. Somebody in head office might believe everybody's going to walk there, but most people won't. At B & Q, people tend to be in there for a long time, so there's not so much in and out traffic. Supermarkets, people will often "just pop in" for a few things. This will generate a lot of traffic - firstly in the car park itself, where people will be trying to get as close as possible to the entrance, and secondly at the roundabout on the main road. People trying to turn right there have to act fast to get out. That will quickly back up along Lightship Way at busy times. Only way they could do it: traffic lights on the roundabout, and nobody likes those! There is the student population, true, and they will tend to walk or cycle, but I would reckon 80% of spending at Tesco would go out in cars, and this will be the same. Let's not kid ourselves, this development will go ahead. Sainsbury's will keep tinkering and pushing until that happens. romantic
  • Score: 1

5:20pm Wed 30 Jul 14

afafaf says...

Congratulation residents of the Hythe! You can look forward to the same wonderful benefits that Sainsbury's brought 2 years ago to the residents of Stanway: congested roads, surrounding area full of plastic bags/litter, and of course the Sainsbury's building itself which has the aesthetic appeal of a portoloo. I just love these officials who give the green light for such applications; it's simply shameful.
Congratulation residents of the Hythe! You can look forward to the same wonderful benefits that Sainsbury's brought 2 years ago to the residents of Stanway: congested roads, surrounding area full of plastic bags/litter, and of course the Sainsbury's building itself which has the aesthetic appeal of a portoloo. I just love these officials who give the green light for such applications; it's simply shameful. afafaf
  • Score: 1

8:49am Thu 31 Jul 14

sam vines says...

Sainsbury's wont build here given time that land will be sold off and turned into leaky shoebox flats.
Sainsbury's wont build here given time that land will be sold off and turned into leaky shoebox flats. sam vines
  • Score: 6

8:04am Wed 6 Aug 14

TheBrotherhoodOfTheBell says...

Everything seems to be Flawed in this town, does anything ever go without a hitch or a scandal?
We seem to like creating Sh*t for the sake of it why?
This cannot make a good omelette with breaking a few eggs philosophy is wearing a bit thin now.
I blame the Gazette for stirring up a lot of old Tat, when they should be dealing with the real issues in the town!
Everything seems to be Flawed in this town, does anything ever go without a hitch or a scandal? We seem to like creating Sh*t for the sake of it why? This cannot make a good omelette with breaking a few eggs philosophy is wearing a bit thin now. I blame the Gazette for stirring up a lot of old Tat, when they should be dealing with the real issues in the town! TheBrotherhoodOfTheBell
  • Score: 4

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