UPDATED: Public sector workers to strike today

Essex County Standard: Public sector workers to strike today Public sector workers to strike today

PUBLIC sector workers, including teachers and firefighters, are on strike today.

Members of the National Union of Teachers, Unison, the GMB and the Fire Brigades Union are among those taking action today.

A rally outside the Town Hall began at 10am, with members waving flags and handing out leaflets.

The main issues behind the strike are pay, pensions and workload.

Essex County Standard:

Representatives from each union gave short speeches during the morning to explain why they were on striking.

Essex County Standard:

            Simon Collis, from the PCS, speaking at this morning's rally

See the Gazette's website throughout the morning for updates on affected services in the town.

If you have been affected by the action, or are on strike today, contact the news desk on 01206 508432 or email zoe.forsey@nqe.com.

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10:10am Thu 10 Jul 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

We are getting so used to this now that it's not really news anymore. The rest of us don't really care although the lower paid public workers do have a bad deal. As far as teachers and firefighters go then they are greedy parasites who think they deserve more than anyone else in society. Well wake up, all your industrial action is getting you nowhere and teachers couldn't care less about the upheaval they cause to parents because their own selfish attitudes are far more important.
We are getting so used to this now that it's not really news anymore. The rest of us don't really care although the lower paid public workers do have a bad deal. As far as teachers and firefighters go then they are greedy parasites who think they deserve more than anyone else in society. Well wake up, all your industrial action is getting you nowhere and teachers couldn't care less about the upheaval they cause to parents because their own selfish attitudes are far more important. Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: 99

10:26am Thu 10 Jul 14

donttellanyone says...

Not had a pay rise for years wait I will go on strike but would be sacked. Nurses and Carers deserve a higher wage we can all agree on that.
Not had a pay rise for years wait I will go on strike but would be sacked. Nurses and Carers deserve a higher wage we can all agree on that. donttellanyone
  • Score: -17

10:28am Thu 10 Jul 14

Slamdoor312 says...

Strike action is about causing the maximum disruption. pointless doing it otherwise. The message needs to be sent out that enough is enough and if that means inconvenience then so be it.

Perhaps you ought to get onto those who seek to impose thier nasty low pay agenda (in the pursuit of profit for themselves) instead of taking it out those who seek what is only a living wage.

As for you attack of firefighters - completely and utterly disgraceful.
Strike action is about causing the maximum disruption. pointless doing it otherwise. The message needs to be sent out that enough is enough and if that means inconvenience then so be it. Perhaps you ought to get onto those who seek to impose thier nasty low pay agenda (in the pursuit of profit for themselves) instead of taking it out those who seek what is only a living wage. As for you attack of firefighters - completely and utterly disgraceful. Slamdoor312
  • Score: 19

10:38am Thu 10 Jul 14

Jess Jephcott says...

If you don't want the job, move over and let somebody else take it. I am sick and tired of these people who think they deserve more than they get. As if a Labour government would treat them any differently - I hope. This government is working hard to restore the damage done by Labour and the results are promising. Don't let these selfish and uncaring union bullies get their own way as it would open the floodgates to everybody else joining the same bandwagon. Only when we earn the money can we afford to pay these public sector workers and raise the level that we must all surely want for everybody - not just trades unionists.
If you don't want the job, move over and let somebody else take it. I am sick and tired of these people who think they deserve more than they get. As if a Labour government would treat them any differently - I hope. This government is working hard to restore the damage done by Labour and the results are promising. Don't let these selfish and uncaring union bullies get their own way as it would open the floodgates to everybody else joining the same bandwagon. Only when we earn the money can we afford to pay these public sector workers and raise the level that we must all surely want for everybody - not just trades unionists. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: -59

11:18am Thu 10 Jul 14

sam vines says...

Seems strange they complain about low wages but can afford to give up a days wage to go on strike.
Seems strange they complain about low wages but can afford to give up a days wage to go on strike. sam vines
  • Score: -26

11:28am Thu 10 Jul 14

Shrubendlad says...

Strikes just hurt other people in the same boat.
I want to know why the 15 councillors who were supposed to get the chop are still getting paid?
Why the promised reduction in members of parliament has not happened yet?
How many civil servants are still employed in Whitehall?-when we were promised that their numbers would be halved
Why are there now nearly 1000 members of the House of Lords taking public money?
Why are rich landowners getting richer and richer?
Strikes just hurt other people in the same boat. I want to know why the 15 councillors who were supposed to get the chop are still getting paid? Why the promised reduction in members of parliament has not happened yet? How many civil servants are still employed in Whitehall?-when we were promised that their numbers would be halved Why are there now nearly 1000 members of the House of Lords taking public money? Why are rich landowners getting richer and richer? Shrubendlad
  • Score: 9

11:37am Thu 10 Jul 14

Route88 says...

sam vines wrote:
Seems strange they complain about low wages but can afford to give up a days wage to go on strike.
It is not all about low wages, there are other issues involved. As I mentioned in another post, around two fifths of teachers leave the job within five years of qualifying so the question has to be asked, why would they do this if the terms and conditions are as good as some of the general public think they are?
[quote][p][bold]sam vines[/bold] wrote: Seems strange they complain about low wages but can afford to give up a days wage to go on strike.[/p][/quote]It is not all about low wages, there are other issues involved. As I mentioned in another post, around two fifths of teachers leave the job within five years of qualifying so the question has to be asked, why would they do this if the terms and conditions are as good as some of the general public think they are? Route88
  • Score: 32

12:00pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Shrubendlad says...

Shrubendlad wrote:
Strikes just hurt other people in the same boat.
I want to know why the 15 councillors who were supposed to get the chop are still getting paid?
Why the promised reduction in members of parliament has not happened yet?
How many civil servants are still employed in Whitehall?-when we were promised that their numbers would be halved
Why are there now nearly 1000 members of the House of Lords taking public money?
Why are rich landowners getting richer and richer?
I repeat =-the only people these strikes are hurting are those in the same boat.
If you really want change-hurt the people financially who make the decisions-and those who influence the decision makers.(Prince Charles and his Landowning friends).
Front bench politicians live in £2.5Million London homes-Ed Millibands house is worth £2.5M.Tax their houses. Make them feel as insecure as the rest of us.
Stop pouring Billions of pounds into London-Give it to the rest of us.
[quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: Strikes just hurt other people in the same boat. I want to know why the 15 councillors who were supposed to get the chop are still getting paid? Why the promised reduction in members of parliament has not happened yet? How many civil servants are still employed in Whitehall?-when we were promised that their numbers would be halved Why are there now nearly 1000 members of the House of Lords taking public money? Why are rich landowners getting richer and richer?[/p][/quote]I repeat =-the only people these strikes are hurting are those in the same boat. If you really want change-hurt the people financially who make the decisions-and those who influence the decision makers.(Prince Charles and his Landowning friends). Front bench politicians live in £2.5Million London homes-Ed Millibands house is worth £2.5M.Tax their houses. Make them feel as insecure as the rest of us. Stop pouring Billions of pounds into London-Give it to the rest of us. Shrubendlad
  • Score: -2

12:07pm Thu 10 Jul 14

sam vines says...

Route88 wrote:
sam vines wrote:
Seems strange they complain about low wages but can afford to give up a days wage to go on strike.
It is not all about low wages, there are other issues involved. As I mentioned in another post, around two fifths of teachers leave the job within five years of qualifying so the question has to be asked, why would they do this if the terms and conditions are as good as some of the general public think they are?
well two fifths leaving could be put down to deciding private teaching jobs pay more, its not the career for them, poor management and mentoring, maternity reasons, awful working environment, don't like being held accountable for their actions. The reason they choose are endless and are clearly not being recorded and actioned by their employer to prevent them leaving. If someone in the private sector felt their employer was in breach of terms and conditions they would have to fund themselves to take legal action against their employer or rough it out until they found another job. Why does the public sector feel like its acceptable to punish the public about their terms and conditions today's action only harms the parents who have to seek out alternative child care.
[quote][p][bold]Route88[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sam vines[/bold] wrote: Seems strange they complain about low wages but can afford to give up a days wage to go on strike.[/p][/quote]It is not all about low wages, there are other issues involved. As I mentioned in another post, around two fifths of teachers leave the job within five years of qualifying so the question has to be asked, why would they do this if the terms and conditions are as good as some of the general public think they are?[/p][/quote]well two fifths leaving could be put down to deciding private teaching jobs pay more, its not the career for them, poor management and mentoring, maternity reasons, awful working environment, don't like being held accountable for their actions. The reason they choose are endless and are clearly not being recorded and actioned by their employer to prevent them leaving. If someone in the private sector felt their employer was in breach of terms and conditions they would have to fund themselves to take legal action against their employer or rough it out until they found another job. Why does the public sector feel like its acceptable to punish the public about their terms and conditions today's action only harms the parents who have to seek out alternative child care. sam vines
  • Score: -18

12:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

WitchofColchester says...

This is not about greed; it's about keeping employers in check. History tells us that if you don't make a stand, those in power will crap all over you!
This is not about greed; it's about keeping employers in check. History tells us that if you don't make a stand, those in power will crap all over you! WitchofColchester
  • Score: 13

12:50pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Slamdoor312 says...

It's quite clear that there are some who are quite happy to be ground down and exploited, which is fine,if that's what they want.

But there are many thankfully who will still fight tooth and nail to stop being dragged back to the Victoria mill owner era, and I'm proud to be one of them.
It's quite clear that there are some who are quite happy to be ground down and exploited, which is fine,if that's what they want. But there are many thankfully who will still fight tooth and nail to stop being dragged back to the Victoria mill owner era, and I'm proud to be one of them. Slamdoor312
  • Score: 28

1:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

CJ1989 says...

If I really thought I was getting a rough deal in my job, I'd leave and go into something else. Why don't those striking do the same?

Firefighters may not want to still be on the front line at 60, or 65, that's fair enough, so change jobs beforehand! If teachers don't like any changes to their conditions move to a private school, or an academy, or a free school, where they have more say.

Striking looks to most of the population like just throwing the toys out of the pram. Everyone would like more money for less work, but it's not going to happen. What would have much more impact is if all of these employees just went and got jobs elsewhere. If every unhappy doctor, nurse, or teacher or rail worker went elsewhere or moved to the private sector, that would be much more likely to push up public sector pay to attract them back.

However, if workers have no other skills or can't do anything else then it's a lack of investment in themselves that has led to this situation.

I work full-time, and also study in the evenings and weekends for a qualification totally unrelated to my job. If I was ever presented with working conditions I didn't agree with I could get a good job on equal or more pay really quite quickly. My employers know this, so work to keep me. We therefore have an excellent relationship which works brilliantly for both of us.

If rather than striking these employees made themselves absolutely indispensable to their employers, they'd stand a much better chance of getting what they want.
If I really thought I was getting a rough deal in my job, I'd leave and go into something else. Why don't those striking do the same? Firefighters may not want to still be on the front line at 60, or 65, that's fair enough, so change jobs beforehand! If teachers don't like any changes to their conditions move to a private school, or an academy, or a free school, where they have more say. Striking looks to most of the population like just throwing the toys out of the pram. Everyone would like more money for less work, but it's not going to happen. What would have much more impact is if all of these employees just went and got jobs elsewhere. If every unhappy doctor, nurse, or teacher or rail worker went elsewhere or moved to the private sector, that would be much more likely to push up public sector pay to attract them back. However, if workers have no other skills or can't do anything else then it's a lack of investment in themselves that has led to this situation. I work full-time, and also study in the evenings and weekends for a qualification totally unrelated to my job. If I was ever presented with working conditions I didn't agree with I could get a good job on equal or more pay really quite quickly. My employers know this, so work to keep me. We therefore have an excellent relationship which works brilliantly for both of us. If rather than striking these employees made themselves absolutely indispensable to their employers, they'd stand a much better chance of getting what they want. CJ1989
  • Score: -23

2:01pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Shrubendlad says...

I have never been a Socialist but like many others have been forced to join in Strike action by over zealous, self promoting Union Officials.
"If you don't join in you are letting your colleagues down/you cant expect a pay increase if you don't strike/you will be alienated if you don't support us"
Strikes do not achieve anything-BUT we live in a country of Puppets and Puppetmasters who receive money directly or indirectly from the Taxpayer.
The country cant afford to borrow any more £s to pay more public sector wages. It has to cut numbers to pay for any wage increases.
However the Health Service and Essential Services need to be ring fenced.
I have never been a Socialist but like many others have been forced to join in Strike action by over zealous, self promoting Union Officials. "If you don't join in you are letting your colleagues down/you cant expect a pay increase if you don't strike/you will be alienated if you don't support us" Strikes do not achieve anything-BUT we live in a country of Puppets and Puppetmasters who receive money directly or indirectly from the Taxpayer. The country cant afford to borrow any more £s to pay more public sector wages. It has to cut numbers to pay for any wage increases. However the Health Service and Essential Services need to be ring fenced. Shrubendlad
  • Score: -42

2:27pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Aid_the_weakest says...

The Condem government is destroying the fabric of society. Only ten months till they go. Bravo to the brave strikers for taking a stand.
The Condem government is destroying the fabric of society. Only ten months till they go. Bravo to the brave strikers for taking a stand. Aid_the_weakest
  • Score: 34

2:50pm Thu 10 Jul 14

specs60 says...

If my children were to take time off school there would be hell to pay.
Teaching is a vocational job if you lose your vocation do something else.
I too work,i can't go on strike my vocational job does'nt allow it.
If my children were to take time off school there would be hell to pay. Teaching is a vocational job if you lose your vocation do something else. I too work,i can't go on strike my vocational job does'nt allow it. specs60
  • Score: -13

3:36pm Thu 10 Jul 14

wormshero says...

It's always saddening to read the comments on the gazette whenever people strike; the constant race to the bottom attitude is really infuriating, thankfully I don't think it's a majority view across the country. Yes, strikes are inconvenient - that's the whole point! Who's going to pay attention if it didn't cause an inconvenience! Fact is there's push for changes which will make the working lives worse for people who provide important services; if we push more and more of these people into the private sector the country will rely on the private sector more for key services and will subsequently end up paying even more money to get the same service.
Yes, lots of these people can (and do) leave to get other jobs but that doesn't mean they should stand back and watch as the value of their work gets crushed down.
It's always saddening to read the comments on the gazette whenever people strike; the constant race to the bottom attitude is really infuriating, thankfully I don't think it's a majority view across the country. Yes, strikes are inconvenient - that's the whole point! Who's going to pay attention if it didn't cause an inconvenience! Fact is there's push for changes which will make the working lives worse for people who provide important services; if we push more and more of these people into the private sector the country will rely on the private sector more for key services and will subsequently end up paying even more money to get the same service. Yes, lots of these people can (and do) leave to get other jobs but that doesn't mean they should stand back and watch as the value of their work gets crushed down. wormshero
  • Score: -87

4:04pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Mark Goacher says...

I am a teacher and I was on strike today and I am proud of the fact. If someone comes along and attacks your pay, pensions or basic conditions of service you don't just lie down and let them walk all over you like sheep, rather you stand up and be counted. As regards the person above who describes teachers as, "parasites who think they deserve more than anyone else", well I can see how it might amuse some immature people to revert to childhood and hurl abuse at teacher on the internet but lets get real. The vast majority of parents want their children to get the best education by committed and dedicated teachers. Well if you want to attract the best people into teaching then you have to pay for it. What the coalition government want is state education on the cheap and that means the quality will inevitably go down.
Isn't it strange how whenever bankers'bonuses are attacked the common retort is, "oh if we don't pay them £100,000 bonuses then the best of them will just go and work elsewhere, and yet the same principle doesn't seem to apply to teachers, firefighters or nurses. The reason for this is that they don't flippin care if you end up with bog standard services as long as the highest earners get their tax breaks.
Isn't it also funny how Mr Angry never seems to regard bankers (who caused the crash in the first place) as parasites who think they deserve more than the rest of us. Therefore I'd give him an E- and ask him to do some basic research.
I am a teacher and I was on strike today and I am proud of the fact. If someone comes along and attacks your pay, pensions or basic conditions of service you don't just lie down and let them walk all over you like sheep, rather you stand up and be counted. As regards the person above who describes teachers as, "parasites who think they deserve more than anyone else", well I can see how it might amuse some immature people to revert to childhood and hurl abuse at teacher on the internet but lets get real. The vast majority of parents want their children to get the best education by committed and dedicated teachers. Well if you want to attract the best people into teaching then you have to pay for it. What the coalition government want is state education on the cheap and that means the quality will inevitably go down. Isn't it strange how whenever bankers'bonuses are attacked the common retort is, "oh if we don't pay them £100,000 bonuses then the best of them will just go and work elsewhere, and yet the same principle doesn't seem to apply to teachers, firefighters or nurses. The reason for this is that they don't flippin care if you end up with bog standard services as long as the highest earners get their tax breaks. Isn't it also funny how Mr Angry never seems to regard bankers (who caused the crash in the first place) as parasites who think they deserve more than the rest of us. Therefore I'd give him an E- and ask him to do some basic research. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 27

4:06pm Thu 10 Jul 14

stevedawson says...

Would defend the right of anybody to withdraw their labour for better working condition or pay if negotiations have been denied them.it seems this is the case with gove.what is strange today is that all the unions are public service workers.non of the strikers are producing, whatever they are paid comes from others taxes.is the time right for extras when so many have none?
Would defend the right of anybody to withdraw their labour for better working condition or pay if negotiations have been denied them.it seems this is the case with gove.what is strange today is that all the unions are public service workers.non of the strikers are producing, whatever they are paid comes from others taxes.is the time right for extras when so many have none? stevedawson
  • Score: -31

4:08pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Mark Goacher says...

specs60 wrote:
If my children were to take time off school there would be hell to pay. Teaching is a vocational job if you lose your vocation do something else. I too work,i can't go on strike my vocational job does'nt allow it.
You may as well say that teachers should work for nothing and do it purely for 'love of the job' then go home to a hostel for the homeless.
[quote][p][bold]specs60[/bold] wrote: If my children were to take time off school there would be hell to pay. Teaching is a vocational job if you lose your vocation do something else. I too work,i can't go on strike my vocational job does'nt allow it.[/p][/quote]You may as well say that teachers should work for nothing and do it purely for 'love of the job' then go home to a hostel for the homeless. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 50

4:13pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Mark Goacher says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
If you don't want the job, move over and let somebody else take it. I am sick and tired of these people who think they deserve more than they get. As if a Labour government would treat them any differently - I hope. This government is working hard to restore the damage done by Labour and the results are promising. Don't let these selfish and uncaring union bullies get their own way as it would open the floodgates to everybody else joining the same bandwagon. Only when we earn the money can we afford to pay these public sector workers and raise the level that we must all surely want for everybody - not just trades unionists.
Here speaks the voice of the Liberal Democrats. The bottom line is that what you are advocating is that every parent in the UK who cannot afford private education gets a school run on the cheap. Also that the firemen who are gallent heroes when putting out your house fire suddenly be regarded as lazy scroungers when they simply ask for a decent pension.
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: If you don't want the job, move over and let somebody else take it. I am sick and tired of these people who think they deserve more than they get. As if a Labour government would treat them any differently - I hope. This government is working hard to restore the damage done by Labour and the results are promising. Don't let these selfish and uncaring union bullies get their own way as it would open the floodgates to everybody else joining the same bandwagon. Only when we earn the money can we afford to pay these public sector workers and raise the level that we must all surely want for everybody - not just trades unionists.[/p][/quote]Here speaks the voice of the Liberal Democrats. The bottom line is that what you are advocating is that every parent in the UK who cannot afford private education gets a school run on the cheap. Also that the firemen who are gallent heroes when putting out your house fire suddenly be regarded as lazy scroungers when they simply ask for a decent pension. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 27

4:20pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Mark Goacher says...

For all those people who like to attack the public sector and public sector workers and think that the private sector is always better or cheaper, then I just have one thing to remind you of:

Private care homes for the elderly.
For all those people who like to attack the public sector and public sector workers and think that the private sector is always better or cheaper, then I just have one thing to remind you of: Private care homes for the elderly. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 30

5:35pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Jess Jephcott says...

Er. I have to provide my own pension. I don't expect the taxpayer to pay for it. My pension pays out in accordance with what I put into it. Firemen are doing a job of their choice. They are no more gallant heroes than anybody else. If you want gallant heroes, go down the road to Merville Barracks where you find thousands of them, paid nothing like the bully boy unionised firemen and with no such gold plated pensions. So let's get all this in perspective please. Those who work in the public sector are not wealth creators. The bankers are. The one cannot be paid unless the other creates the money to pay them. ...and as to teachers, I would have more sympathy for them if they actually taught our children the proper maths and English, that would make them far more employable when they leave school. How many kids today know what 7 8s are? We have a dumbed down education system, created by trendy lefties who want all children to pass exams at any cost to standards. In my day, thick kids did manual work. Clever kids got a trade or went on to university to learn a profession. What a mess the lefties have created for us - and now Mr Gove is doing his level best to recover things.
Er. I have to provide my own pension. I don't expect the taxpayer to pay for it. My pension pays out in accordance with what I put into it. Firemen are doing a job of their choice. They are no more gallant heroes than anybody else. If you want gallant heroes, go down the road to Merville Barracks where you find thousands of them, paid nothing like the bully boy unionised firemen and with no such gold plated pensions. So let's get all this in perspective please. Those who work in the public sector are not wealth creators. The bankers are. The one cannot be paid unless the other creates the money to pay them. ...and as to teachers, I would have more sympathy for them if they actually taught our children the proper maths and English, that would make them far more employable when they leave school. How many kids today know what 7 8s are? We have a dumbed down education system, created by trendy lefties who want all children to pass exams at any cost to standards. In my day, thick kids did manual work. Clever kids got a trade or went on to university to learn a profession. What a mess the lefties have created for us - and now Mr Gove is doing his level best to recover things. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: -38

6:24pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Mark Goacher says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
Er. I have to provide my own pension. I don't expect the taxpayer to pay for it. My pension pays out in accordance with what I put into it. Firemen are doing a job of their choice. They are no more gallant heroes than anybody else. If you want gallant heroes, go down the road to Merville Barracks where you find thousands of them, paid nothing like the bully boy unionised firemen and with no such gold plated pensions. So let's get all this in perspective please. Those who work in the public sector are not wealth creators. The bankers are. The one cannot be paid unless the other creates the money to pay them. ...and as to teachers, I would have more sympathy for them if they actually taught our children the proper maths and English, that would make them far more employable when they leave school. How many kids today know what 7 8s are? We have a dumbed down education system, created by trendy lefties who want all children to pass exams at any cost to standards. In my day, thick kids did manual work. Clever kids got a trade or went on to university to learn a profession. What a mess the lefties have created for us - and now Mr Gove is doing his level best to recover things.
Well the above post raises a lot of issues in one lump, not all of which I'd disagree with. I agree that education needs to have standards and not be 'dumbed down' to a ridiculous level. However the problem with the 'thick kids did manual work' comment, aside from the fact that it insults manual workers, is that there are not so many jobs left in manufacturing or manual trades anymore due to the devastation of the UK's manufacturing industry. Also I think you have to be pretty intelligent to master many manual trades such as plumbing or building and to dismiss such people as 'thick' seems to suggest that you regard all manual work as requiring no thought or intelligence.
I do agree with your view of our soldiers, however firefighters risk their lives in their line of work and to suggest that they have 'gold plated pensions' is uninformed. Firemen have to remain physically fit or they get pushed out of the job. If they do so and they are under 60 then they lose much of their pension. How many people remain as physically fit in their fifties as in their twenties?
As for your view of bankers, well its funny how these creators of wealth who caused the financial crash are not expected to shoulder some of the financial consequences.
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: Er. I have to provide my own pension. I don't expect the taxpayer to pay for it. My pension pays out in accordance with what I put into it. Firemen are doing a job of their choice. They are no more gallant heroes than anybody else. If you want gallant heroes, go down the road to Merville Barracks where you find thousands of them, paid nothing like the bully boy unionised firemen and with no such gold plated pensions. So let's get all this in perspective please. Those who work in the public sector are not wealth creators. The bankers are. The one cannot be paid unless the other creates the money to pay them. ...and as to teachers, I would have more sympathy for them if they actually taught our children the proper maths and English, that would make them far more employable when they leave school. How many kids today know what 7 8s are? We have a dumbed down education system, created by trendy lefties who want all children to pass exams at any cost to standards. In my day, thick kids did manual work. Clever kids got a trade or went on to university to learn a profession. What a mess the lefties have created for us - and now Mr Gove is doing his level best to recover things.[/p][/quote]Well the above post raises a lot of issues in one lump, not all of which I'd disagree with. I agree that education needs to have standards and not be 'dumbed down' to a ridiculous level. However the problem with the 'thick kids did manual work' comment, aside from the fact that it insults manual workers, is that there are not so many jobs left in manufacturing or manual trades anymore due to the devastation of the UK's manufacturing industry. Also I think you have to be pretty intelligent to master many manual trades such as plumbing or building and to dismiss such people as 'thick' seems to suggest that you regard all manual work as requiring no thought or intelligence. I do agree with your view of our soldiers, however firefighters risk their lives in their line of work and to suggest that they have 'gold plated pensions' is uninformed. Firemen have to remain physically fit or they get pushed out of the job. If they do so and they are under 60 then they lose much of their pension. How many people remain as physically fit in their fifties as in their twenties? As for your view of bankers, well its funny how these creators of wealth who caused the financial crash are not expected to shoulder some of the financial consequences. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 29

8:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

colrobabob says...

Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
We are getting so used to this now that it's not really news anymore. The rest of us don't really care although the lower paid public workers do have a bad deal. As far as teachers and firefighters go then they are greedy parasites who think they deserve more than anyone else in society. Well wake up, all your industrial action is getting you nowhere and teachers couldn't care less about the upheaval they cause to parents because their own selfish attitudes are far more important.
I am a teacher and in the school that I work at, not a single member of staff went on strike. Teachers are not 'greedy parasites', we do a crucial job and often with little to no thanks. I am paid less now than I was working in retail, my pension is worth nothing and I spend time in school during my holidays.

The Government change the goalposts every year and recently we have just had to adapt our whole curriculum to suit the Government's idea of what is important (without any extra planning time or budget for resources). We have to change how we assess and report and then put up with Ofsted inspections designed to penalise a school and give it a label based on 3 days of dropping in and out.

We get to school in the morning at 7am and often don't finish working until anywhere between 6pm-9pm, thats off course whilst juggling our families and commitments outside of our working lives. In fact,thinking about it, I don't even remember the last time I sat down to eat lunch at work.

I don't believe in strike action because I became a teacher to help children realise their potential and aim higher. I do however understand the frustrations of the profession which is now being consistently undermined and undervalued.

Before people resort to mudslinging though, I would really think about what you're saying. There are many teachers out there that work themselves to the bone to educate your children and they do it, usually, with a smile on their face, even when taking abuse from parents (or sadly more often than not, the children).

I emphasise again, we are not greedy parasites and anyone who thinks we are should come and spend a week teaching in a mainstream state school to see what it is really like.
[quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: We are getting so used to this now that it's not really news anymore. The rest of us don't really care although the lower paid public workers do have a bad deal. As far as teachers and firefighters go then they are greedy parasites who think they deserve more than anyone else in society. Well wake up, all your industrial action is getting you nowhere and teachers couldn't care less about the upheaval they cause to parents because their own selfish attitudes are far more important.[/p][/quote]I am a teacher and in the school that I work at, not a single member of staff went on strike. Teachers are not 'greedy parasites', we do a crucial job and often with little to no thanks. I am paid less now than I was working in retail, my pension is worth nothing and I spend time in school during my holidays. The Government change the goalposts every year and recently we have just had to adapt our whole curriculum to suit the Government's idea of what is important (without any extra planning time or budget for resources). We have to change how we assess and report and then put up with Ofsted inspections designed to penalise a school and give it a label based on 3 days of dropping in and out. We get to school in the morning at 7am and often don't finish working until anywhere between 6pm-9pm, thats off course whilst juggling our families and commitments outside of our working lives. In fact,thinking about it, I don't even remember the last time I sat down to eat lunch at work. I don't believe in strike action because I became a teacher to help children realise their potential and aim higher. I do however understand the frustrations of the profession which is now being consistently undermined and undervalued. Before people resort to mudslinging though, I would really think about what you're saying. There are many teachers out there that work themselves to the bone to educate your children and they do it, usually, with a smile on their face, even when taking abuse from parents (or sadly more often than not, the children). I emphasise again, we are not greedy parasites and anyone who thinks we are should come and spend a week teaching in a mainstream state school to see what it is really like. colrobabob
  • Score: 18

8:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

colrobabob says...

Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
We are getting so used to this now that it's not really news anymore. The rest of us don't really care although the lower paid public workers do have a bad deal. As far as teachers and firefighters go then they are greedy parasites who think they deserve more than anyone else in society. Well wake up, all your industrial action is getting you nowhere and teachers couldn't care less about the upheaval they cause to parents because their own selfish attitudes are far more important.
I am a teacher and in the school that I work at, not a single member of staff went on strike. Teachers are not 'greedy parasites', we do a crucial job and often with little to no thanks. I am paid less now than I was working in retail, my pension is worth nothing and I spend time in school during my holidays.

The Government change the goalposts every year and recently we have just had to adapt our whole curriculum to suit the Government's idea of what is important (without any extra planning time or budget for resources). We have to change how we assess and report and then put up with Ofsted inspections designed to penalise a school and give it a label based on 3 days of dropping in and out.

We get to school in the morning at 7am and often don't finish working until anywhere between 6pm-9pm, thats off course whilst juggling our families and commitments outside of our working lives. In fact,thinking about it, I don't even remember the last time I sat down to eat lunch at work.

I don't believe in strike action because I became a teacher to help children realise their potential and aim higher. I do however understand the frustrations of the profession which is now being consistently undermined and undervalued.

Before people resort to mudslinging though, I would really think about what you're saying. There are many teachers out there that work themselves to the bone to educate your children and they do it, usually, with a smile on their face, even when taking abuse from parents (or sadly more often than not, the children).

I emphasise again, we are not greedy parasites and anyone who thinks we are should come and spend a week teaching in a mainstream state school to see what it is really like.
[quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: We are getting so used to this now that it's not really news anymore. The rest of us don't really care although the lower paid public workers do have a bad deal. As far as teachers and firefighters go then they are greedy parasites who think they deserve more than anyone else in society. Well wake up, all your industrial action is getting you nowhere and teachers couldn't care less about the upheaval they cause to parents because their own selfish attitudes are far more important.[/p][/quote]I am a teacher and in the school that I work at, not a single member of staff went on strike. Teachers are not 'greedy parasites', we do a crucial job and often with little to no thanks. I am paid less now than I was working in retail, my pension is worth nothing and I spend time in school during my holidays. The Government change the goalposts every year and recently we have just had to adapt our whole curriculum to suit the Government's idea of what is important (without any extra planning time or budget for resources). We have to change how we assess and report and then put up with Ofsted inspections designed to penalise a school and give it a label based on 3 days of dropping in and out. We get to school in the morning at 7am and often don't finish working until anywhere between 6pm-9pm, thats off course whilst juggling our families and commitments outside of our working lives. In fact,thinking about it, I don't even remember the last time I sat down to eat lunch at work. I don't believe in strike action because I became a teacher to help children realise their potential and aim higher. I do however understand the frustrations of the profession which is now being consistently undermined and undervalued. Before people resort to mudslinging though, I would really think about what you're saying. There are many teachers out there that work themselves to the bone to educate your children and they do it, usually, with a smile on their face, even when taking abuse from parents (or sadly more often than not, the children). I emphasise again, we are not greedy parasites and anyone who thinks we are should come and spend a week teaching in a mainstream state school to see what it is really like. colrobabob
  • Score: 9

11:16pm Thu 10 Jul 14

specs60 says...

Mark Goacher wrote:
specs60 wrote:
If my children were to take time off school there would be hell to pay. Teaching is a vocational job if you lose your vocation do something else. I too work,i can't go on strike my vocational job does'nt allow it.
You may as well say that teachers should work for nothing and do it purely for 'love of the job' then go home to a hostel for the homeless.
Have you ever lived in a hostel or been homeless? Don't cast aspertions
go have a lay down you've obviously had a hard day !
[quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]specs60[/bold] wrote: If my children were to take time off school there would be hell to pay. Teaching is a vocational job if you lose your vocation do something else. I too work,i can't go on strike my vocational job does'nt allow it.[/p][/quote]You may as well say that teachers should work for nothing and do it purely for 'love of the job' then go home to a hostel for the homeless.[/p][/quote]Have you ever lived in a hostel or been homeless? Don't cast aspertions go have a lay down you've obviously had a hard day ! specs60
  • Score: -11

1:07am Fri 11 Jul 14

Assimilation says...

A woman teaching assistant on the news today, who was on one of them there marches said that she was not paid what she was worth.
£9 an hour for being a go-for, £9 an hour! that`s not bad going. More than most tradesman get.
A woman teaching assistant on the news today, who was on one of them there marches said that she was not paid what she was worth. £9 an hour for being a go-for, £9 an hour! that`s not bad going. More than most tradesman get. Assimilation
  • Score: -13

11:08am Fri 11 Jul 14

Scoot says...

It was interesting the other night when an NUT member was asked whether they had a right to strike because only 91% of 27% of the total membership nearly two years ago voted to strike (i.e 24.57% of the total voted for a strike and 73% of the total couldn't be even bothered to vote) and he tried to defend himself by saying look at the general election. I take it he wasn't a history or politics teacher because he would know that since 1945 over 50 % of the UK electorate has voted in each election. In the last election 65.1 % voted which means 35% couldn't be bothered which means the majority of the population could be bothered.
It was interesting the other night when an NUT member was asked whether they had a right to strike because only 91% of 27% of the total membership nearly two years ago voted to strike (i.e 24.57% of the total voted for a strike and 73% of the total couldn't be even bothered to vote) and he tried to defend himself by saying look at the general election. I take it he wasn't a history or politics teacher because he would know that since 1945 over 50 % of the UK electorate has voted in each election. In the last election 65.1 % voted which means 35% couldn't be bothered which means the majority of the population could be bothered. Scoot
  • Score: 1

1:30pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Mark Goacher says...

Scoot wrote:
It was interesting the other night when an NUT member was asked whether they had a right to strike because only 91% of 27% of the total membership nearly two years ago voted to strike (i.e 24.57% of the total voted for a strike and 73% of the total couldn't be even bothered to vote) and he tried to defend himself by saying look at the general election. I take it he wasn't a history or politics teacher because he would know that since 1945 over 50 % of the UK electorate has voted in each election. In the last election 65.1 % voted which means 35% couldn't be bothered which means the majority of the population could be bothered.
You are quite right, however you are completely ignoring local elections. In the May elections in Colchester, every ward had less than 50% turnout, with some as low as twentysomething %. Therefore if every election required a 50% + turnout to be valid then Colchester's Lb Dem Council would be out of work.
[quote][p][bold]Scoot[/bold] wrote: It was interesting the other night when an NUT member was asked whether they had a right to strike because only 91% of 27% of the total membership nearly two years ago voted to strike (i.e 24.57% of the total voted for a strike and 73% of the total couldn't be even bothered to vote) and he tried to defend himself by saying look at the general election. I take it he wasn't a history or politics teacher because he would know that since 1945 over 50 % of the UK electorate has voted in each election. In the last election 65.1 % voted which means 35% couldn't be bothered which means the majority of the population could be bothered.[/p][/quote]You are quite right, however you are completely ignoring local elections. In the May elections in Colchester, every ward had less than 50% turnout, with some as low as twentysomething %. Therefore if every election required a 50% + turnout to be valid then Colchester's Lb Dem Council would be out of work. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 0

2:16pm Fri 11 Jul 14

sam vines says...

Mark Goacher wrote:
Scoot wrote:
It was interesting the other night when an NUT member was asked whether they had a right to strike because only 91% of 27% of the total membership nearly two years ago voted to strike (i.e 24.57% of the total voted for a strike and 73% of the total couldn't be even bothered to vote) and he tried to defend himself by saying look at the general election. I take it he wasn't a history or politics teacher because he would know that since 1945 over 50 % of the UK electorate has voted in each election. In the last election 65.1 % voted which means 35% couldn't be bothered which means the majority of the population could be bothered.
You are quite right, however you are completely ignoring local elections. In the May elections in Colchester, every ward had less than 50% turnout, with some as low as twentysomething %. Therefore if every election required a 50% + turnout to be valid then Colchester's Lb Dem Council would be out of work.
Its not as simple as a yes no vote that the unions had.

When it comes to political votes you can have 6+ candidates to choose from turnout will be lower as the options presented to the potential voter my not be to their liking or access to the polling station is not achievable on the day. Union votes are postal so no excuse to have at least 50% turn out. Perhaps the union leaders should be trying to communicate with the members who didn't care what they did.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scoot[/bold] wrote: It was interesting the other night when an NUT member was asked whether they had a right to strike because only 91% of 27% of the total membership nearly two years ago voted to strike (i.e 24.57% of the total voted for a strike and 73% of the total couldn't be even bothered to vote) and he tried to defend himself by saying look at the general election. I take it he wasn't a history or politics teacher because he would know that since 1945 over 50 % of the UK electorate has voted in each election. In the last election 65.1 % voted which means 35% couldn't be bothered which means the majority of the population could be bothered.[/p][/quote]You are quite right, however you are completely ignoring local elections. In the May elections in Colchester, every ward had less than 50% turnout, with some as low as twentysomething %. Therefore if every election required a 50% + turnout to be valid then Colchester's Lb Dem Council would be out of work.[/p][/quote]Its not as simple as a yes no vote that the unions had. When it comes to political votes you can have 6+ candidates to choose from turnout will be lower as the options presented to the potential voter my not be to their liking or access to the polling station is not achievable on the day. Union votes are postal so no excuse to have at least 50% turn out. Perhaps the union leaders should be trying to communicate with the members who didn't care what they did. sam vines
  • Score: 0

2:37pm Fri 11 Jul 14

AVeryPrivateGentleman says...

Life Is A Gravy Train?
It's all about soul
It's all about faith and a deeper devotion (Billy Joel)
Not anymore! its all about money.
Most police retire around 53 years old, good on them filthy job, same with the Sam's, Two Third's pension lump sum around £100k good on them.
TEACHERS & THE TEFLON'S now that is another matter.
TEACHERS- You get all the pay and the perks and the KUDOS and you only work half the year.
I have got to be honest i have only met a few good teachers and one of them was my next door neighbor, maybe the fact that if he stepped out of line he would have got a bunch of fives, could have been the precursor to his nice personality.
I do not know what they do to to these people at Teacher Training College, but collectively, they are the most selfish, self conceited, arrogant, snobbish bunch, of so called professionals I have ever met.
They suck up to if you are a parent with some clout or position, like a Doctor etc. Others not so prestigious, well they treat you like you are something stuck to their shoes.
I have two uncles and an auntie that are "Teachers", and all three of them are the nastiest, selfish members of the family.
Hans Eysenck the inventor of Intelligence Quotient Test, did a study on professions. He claimed that Teaching Staff, were in the "6" quadrant graph that he designed, of "The Neurotic Area" Along with Actors & Artists.
Teachers have a highfalutin and lofty opinion of themselves, that is why they think they are worth the 2/3rds Salary pension and the extortionate lump sums.
As for Council Staff & Employees that is another chestnut:
Time & Time again we say and have repeated so in the last 4 years. Go out and get a life if you don't like your lot.
See the real world.
My mother is a cleaner retired on a £100 per week. She has been a cleaner all her life.
Most of you lot will be getting £500 per week and more when you retire WHY?
In the words of LORE*L -
"No you are not worth it".
Life Is A Gravy Train? It's all about soul It's all about faith and a deeper devotion (Billy Joel) Not anymore! its all about money. Most police retire around 53 years old, good on them filthy job, same with the Sam's, Two Third's pension lump sum around £100k good on them. TEACHERS & THE TEFLON'S now that is another matter. TEACHERS- You get all the pay and the perks and the KUDOS and you only work half the year. I have got to be honest i have only met a few good teachers and one of them was my next door neighbor, maybe the fact that if he stepped out of line he would have got a bunch of fives, could have been the precursor to his nice personality. I do not know what they do to to these people at Teacher Training College, but collectively, they are the most selfish, self conceited, arrogant, snobbish bunch, of so called professionals I have ever met. They suck up to if you are a parent with some clout or position, like a Doctor etc. Others not so prestigious, well they treat you like you are something stuck to their shoes. I have two uncles and an auntie that are "Teachers", and all three of them are the nastiest, selfish members of the family. Hans Eysenck the inventor of Intelligence Quotient Test, did a study on professions. He claimed that Teaching Staff, were in the "6" quadrant graph that he designed, of "The Neurotic Area" Along with Actors & Artists. Teachers have a highfalutin and lofty opinion of themselves, that is why they think they are worth the 2/3rds Salary pension and the extortionate lump sums. As for Council Staff & Employees that is another chestnut: Time & Time again we say and have repeated so in the last 4 years. Go out and get a life if you don't like your lot. See the real world. My mother is a cleaner retired on a £100 per week. She has been a cleaner all her life. Most of you lot will be getting £500 per week and more when you retire WHY? In the words of LORE*L - "No you are not worth it". AVeryPrivateGentleman
  • Score: -7

10:07pm Sat 12 Jul 14

colrobabob says...

AVeryPrivateGentlema
n
wrote:
Life Is A Gravy Train?
It's all about soul
It's all about faith and a deeper devotion (Billy Joel)
Not anymore! its all about money.
Most police retire around 53 years old, good on them filthy job, same with the Sam's, Two Third's pension lump sum around £100k good on them.
TEACHERS & THE TEFLON'S now that is another matter.
TEACHERS- You get all the pay and the perks and the KUDOS and you only work half the year.
I have got to be honest i have only met a few good teachers and one of them was my next door neighbor, maybe the fact that if he stepped out of line he would have got a bunch of fives, could have been the precursor to his nice personality.
I do not know what they do to to these people at Teacher Training College, but collectively, they are the most selfish, self conceited, arrogant, snobbish bunch, of so called professionals I have ever met.
They suck up to if you are a parent with some clout or position, like a Doctor etc. Others not so prestigious, well they treat you like you are something stuck to their shoes.
I have two uncles and an auntie that are "Teachers", and all three of them are the nastiest, selfish members of the family.
Hans Eysenck the inventor of Intelligence Quotient Test, did a study on professions. He claimed that Teaching Staff, were in the "6" quadrant graph that he designed, of "The Neurotic Area" Along with Actors & Artists.
Teachers have a highfalutin and lofty opinion of themselves, that is why they think they are worth the 2/3rds Salary pension and the extortionate lump sums.
As for Council Staff & Employees that is another chestnut:
Time & Time again we say and have repeated so in the last 4 years. Go out and get a life if you don't like your lot.
See the real world.
My mother is a cleaner retired on a £100 per week. She has been a cleaner all her life.
Most of you lot will be getting £500 per week and more when you retire WHY?
In the words of LORE*L -
"No you are not worth it".
WOW
[quote][p][bold]AVeryPrivateGentlema n[/bold] wrote: Life Is A Gravy Train? It's all about soul It's all about faith and a deeper devotion (Billy Joel) Not anymore! its all about money. Most police retire around 53 years old, good on them filthy job, same with the Sam's, Two Third's pension lump sum around £100k good on them. TEACHERS & THE TEFLON'S now that is another matter. TEACHERS- You get all the pay and the perks and the KUDOS and you only work half the year. I have got to be honest i have only met a few good teachers and one of them was my next door neighbor, maybe the fact that if he stepped out of line he would have got a bunch of fives, could have been the precursor to his nice personality. I do not know what they do to to these people at Teacher Training College, but collectively, they are the most selfish, self conceited, arrogant, snobbish bunch, of so called professionals I have ever met. They suck up to if you are a parent with some clout or position, like a Doctor etc. Others not so prestigious, well they treat you like you are something stuck to their shoes. I have two uncles and an auntie that are "Teachers", and all three of them are the nastiest, selfish members of the family. Hans Eysenck the inventor of Intelligence Quotient Test, did a study on professions. He claimed that Teaching Staff, were in the "6" quadrant graph that he designed, of "The Neurotic Area" Along with Actors & Artists. Teachers have a highfalutin and lofty opinion of themselves, that is why they think they are worth the 2/3rds Salary pension and the extortionate lump sums. As for Council Staff & Employees that is another chestnut: Time & Time again we say and have repeated so in the last 4 years. Go out and get a life if you don't like your lot. See the real world. My mother is a cleaner retired on a £100 per week. She has been a cleaner all her life. Most of you lot will be getting £500 per week and more when you retire WHY? In the words of LORE*L - "No you are not worth it".[/p][/quote]WOW colrobabob
  • Score: 0
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