Police appeal to killers of Nahid Al-Manea in Greenstead and James Attfield near Castle Park to hand themselves in

Essex County Standard: Appeal to killers to hand themselves in. Appeal to killers to hand themselves in.

"YOU know who you are and what you have done. Search your conscience. Hand yourself in.”

Det Chief Supt Steve Worron has appealed directly to those responsible for the deaths of James Attfield and Nahid Al- Manea to hand themselves in.

Nahid, 31, was living with her brother in Woodrow Way, Colchester, and studying English language at Essex University.

She was stabbed 16 times and killed on the Salary Brook Trail shortly before 10.40am on Tuesday, June 17.

James “Jim” Attfield, 33, of East Bay, Colchester, was stabbed 102 times and found near Castle Park just before 6am on Saturday, March 29.

Mr Worron said: “You have committed a truly dreadful action. It has devastated a family and communities across the world.”

Speaking about Mr Attfield, he added: “James was a young man tragically injured in a road traffic collisionwho was working hard to rebuild his life when he was brutally murdered. You know who you are and what you have done.

"Search your conscience. We will deal with you sensitively, professionaly and with respect, but hand yourself in.”

Mr Worron urged people to remain vigilant while the killer or killers are on the loose and said officers are as determined as anyone to find the perpetrators and get justice.

He said: “It is extremely unusual to have two knife related acts of such ferocity in quick succession.

“We have no witness who has seen the killer or killers. But we are committed to making sure we get justice for James and Nahid, their families and the wider community of Colchester.”

Anyone with information can call the incident room on 01245 282103 or Crimestoppers on 0800 555111, and many people have.

Dozens have come forward with information about the man seen running from the scene in a red top following the release of an e-fit with police continuing their enquiries.

Since the investigation began officers have taken more than 200 statements from the public, received 527 calls into the incident room and visited more than 600 properties.

Det Chief Supt Steve Worron said: “The investigations currently running are two of the largest run by Essex Police in the last ten years. Our message to family and friends of Nahid and James is we have an absolute commitment to doing everything we can to bring the person or people responsible for their killings to justice.

“There are still a significant number of forensic lines of inquiry, but I can’t say with certainty anything we have recovered identifies their killers.”

More than 2,100 exhibits are being analysed.

However the knife found in Hawthorn Avenue has been ruled out of having any connection with the murders which have received international attention.

Almost one million people watched the video of one of the first press conferences following the murder of Nahid Al-Manea.

In three days there were 970,000 hits on YouTube including 350,000 from Saudi Arabia.
 

 

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9:36am Mon 7 Jul 14

Mr Honest says...

This seems an act of desperation by the police. The killer won't have a conscience. I'm still stunned that there are no witnesses to the 2nd killing. Someone would have been covered in blood. Where did they go? Lets hope the killer is caught soon but it appears the police have no clue.
This seems an act of desperation by the police. The killer won't have a conscience. I'm still stunned that there are no witnesses to the 2nd killing. Someone would have been covered in blood. Where did they go? Lets hope the killer is caught soon but it appears the police have no clue. Mr Honest
  • Score: 53

10:53am Mon 7 Jul 14

SoundSense says...

"Mr Worron urged people to remain vigilant while the killer or killers are on the loose......" Well done to ECC for switching off the street lights again!
"Mr Worron urged people to remain vigilant while the killer or killers are on the loose......" Well done to ECC for switching off the street lights again! SoundSense
  • Score: 24

11:30am Mon 7 Jul 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

It would have been good if Bob Russell, our MP, had voted with the government for stiffer penalties for those who carry knives. He didn't! It would not have prevented these tragic murders but would have sent the right message out that Bob has a conscience and that he is in tune with public opinion. Instead of doin what was right he just followed the Lib Dem party line.

Can't for the life of me think any right minded person wouldn't think that stiffer penalties for carrying knives was wrong. Obviously Bob thinks otherwise, to the point that he goes against public opinion, in favour his party!
It would have been good if Bob Russell, our MP, had voted with the government for stiffer penalties for those who carry knives. He didn't! It would not have prevented these tragic murders but would have sent the right message out that Bob has a conscience and that he is in tune with public opinion. Instead of doin what was right he just followed the Lib Dem party line. Can't for the life of me think any right minded person wouldn't think that stiffer penalties for carrying knives was wrong. Obviously Bob thinks otherwise, to the point that he goes against public opinion, in favour his party! Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: 34

12:06pm Mon 7 Jul 14

driver4108 says...

Well I am surprised he hasn't popped into the police station yet, maybe he was busy this morning, still this is a good sign anyway, its just a matter of time before he hands himself in!
Well I am surprised he hasn't popped into the police station yet, maybe he was busy this morning, still this is a good sign anyway, its just a matter of time before he hands himself in! driver4108
  • Score: 18

12:25pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Lord Newbold says...

How pathetic of our respected police force to request that the perpetrators of these crimes would have a conscience. Carrying knives or any type of weapon is the sign of a troublesome mentality.

Stiffer penalties without all the perquisites such has game boys, television, computers would certainly fulfil some areas of sanity, and may bring about some tolerance from those idiots who want to carry weapons of destruction to some poor soul.

I have and never would not vote for any Liberal Democrat at government level. They try to be the saviours of us all. However, when something is required to be done in an attempt prevent these types of crimes. It appears that all the main stream parties fall short of the mark when it comes to bringing in deserving sentences for wrongdoers.

We should have prisons that sentences that would deter rather than encourage. Let us get back to basic in prisons. Bread and water, no recreational periods of any description, with solitary confinement for prisoners who break the rules while inside our prisons.

Finally, can I say watch this space for those do-gooders attacking my views.
How pathetic of our respected police force to request that the perpetrators of these crimes would have a conscience. Carrying knives or any type of weapon is the sign of a troublesome mentality. Stiffer penalties without all the perquisites such has game boys, television, computers would certainly fulfil some areas of sanity, and may bring about some tolerance from those idiots who want to carry weapons of destruction to some poor soul. I have and never would not vote for any Liberal Democrat at government level. They try to be the saviours of us all. However, when something is required to be done in an attempt prevent these types of crimes. It appears that all the main stream parties fall short of the mark when it comes to bringing in deserving sentences for wrongdoers. We should have prisons that sentences that would deter rather than encourage. Let us get back to basic in prisons. Bread and water, no recreational periods of any description, with solitary confinement for prisoners who break the rules while inside our prisons. Finally, can I say watch this space for those do-gooders attacking my views. Lord Newbold
  • Score: 11

1:04pm Mon 7 Jul 14

sandgrounder 1 says...

laughing stock
not got a clue
laughing stock not got a clue sandgrounder 1
  • Score: 13

2:46pm Mon 7 Jul 14

pantsontoast says...

Hilarious what killer would hand themselves in, diabolical that the police would ask for a killer to search their conscience. Clearly the police are clueless and have embarrassed themselves yet again
Hilarious what killer would hand themselves in, diabolical that the police would ask for a killer to search their conscience. Clearly the police are clueless and have embarrassed themselves yet again pantsontoast
  • Score: 1

3:06pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Thevoiceclacton says...

Hand yourself in because we ain't got a clue.
Hand yourself in because we ain't got a clue. Thevoiceclacton
  • Score: 16

3:49pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Mohammad Akbar says...

For the sake of Colchester I hope they fine the killer of Nahid soon.
For the sake of Colchester I hope they fine the killer of Nahid soon. Mohammad Akbar
  • Score: 0

3:59pm Mon 7 Jul 14

blockpaver says...

sandgrounder 1 wrote:
laughing stock
not got a clue
I’m sure that the police would welcome your suggestions, and perhaps you could join the team to add the flair you think they lack.

If there’s no motive, and the community cant or wont help them where do the investigating officers go? I’m glad that I don’t have the responsibility for trying to revolve this one. Apart from getting justice for the two poor victims, and piece of mind for the rest of us the operation budget alone must be nightmare.
[quote][p][bold]sandgrounder 1[/bold] wrote: laughing stock not got a clue[/p][/quote]I’m sure that the police would welcome your suggestions, and perhaps you could join the team to add the flair you think they lack. If there’s no motive, and the community cant or wont help them where do the investigating officers go? I’m glad that I don’t have the responsibility for trying to revolve this one. Apart from getting justice for the two poor victims, and piece of mind for the rest of us the operation budget alone must be nightmare. blockpaver
  • Score: 13

4:12pm Mon 7 Jul 14

nick2480 says...

Perhaps that should be their first option and then look for the weapon and witnesses
Perhaps that should be their first option and then look for the weapon and witnesses nick2480
  • Score: 1

4:32pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

Mohammad Akbar wrote:
For the sake of Colchester I hope they fine the killer of Nahid soon.
Hope they do much more than fine the murderer!
[quote][p][bold]Mohammad Akbar[/bold] wrote: For the sake of Colchester I hope they fine the killer of Nahid soon.[/p][/quote]Hope they do much more than fine the murderer! Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: 15

4:34pm Mon 7 Jul 14

The Stinker Returns says...

Well there's nothing like a daily murder update to get people talking.
Well there's nothing like a daily murder update to get people talking. The Stinker Returns
  • Score: 3

4:43pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Mohammad Akbar says...

Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
Mohammad Akbar wrote:
For the sake of Colchester I hope they fine the killer of Nahid soon.
Hope they do much more than fine the murderer!
What more can the police do? If they catch the murderer they will only put them away for 5 maybe 10 years then let them out, if we happen to fined them first then we can hand out real justice.
[quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mohammad Akbar[/bold] wrote: For the sake of Colchester I hope they fine the killer of Nahid soon.[/p][/quote]Hope they do much more than fine the murderer![/p][/quote]What more can the police do? If they catch the murderer they will only put them away for 5 maybe 10 years then let them out, if we happen to fined them first then we can hand out real justice. Mohammad Akbar
  • Score: -16

4:50pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Mr Honest says...

Mohammad Akbar wrote:
For the sake of Colchester I hope they fine the killer of Nahid soon.
How dare you! What about poor Jim? For the sake of Colchester I hope they find the killer of Nahid AND Jim soon. Get the chip off your shoulder fella!
[quote][p][bold]Mohammad Akbar[/bold] wrote: For the sake of Colchester I hope they fine the killer of Nahid soon.[/p][/quote]How dare you! What about poor Jim? For the sake of Colchester I hope they find the killer of Nahid AND Jim soon. Get the chip off your shoulder fella! Mr Honest
  • Score: 23

7:27pm Mon 7 Jul 14

justinhope says...

Mohammad Akbar wrote:
For the sake of Colchester I hope they fine the killer of Nahid soon.
Or maybe a jail sentence ?
[quote][p][bold]Mohammad Akbar[/bold] wrote: For the sake of Colchester I hope they fine the killer of Nahid soon.[/p][/quote]Or maybe a jail sentence ? justinhope
  • Score: 13

8:29pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Angry of Lexden says...

Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
It would have been good if Bob Russell, our MP, had voted with the government for stiffer penalties for those who carry knives. He didn't! It would not have prevented these tragic murders but would have sent the right message out that Bob has a conscience and that he is in tune with public opinion. Instead of doin what was right he just followed the Lib Dem party line.

Can't for the life of me think any right minded person wouldn't think that stiffer penalties for carrying knives was wrong. Obviously Bob thinks otherwise, to the point that he goes against public opinion, in favour his party!
Absolutely agree with you OK. But we let him get away with it time and time again. King Bob of Bobtown has his own agenda - it's basically no 1 what he wants, and no 2 what's going to benefit king Bob. Anyone know how to depose him? We are paying him a bucket of our money for his lack luster performance to represent us - in any business trading standards would be on his case.
[quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: It would have been good if Bob Russell, our MP, had voted with the government for stiffer penalties for those who carry knives. He didn't! It would not have prevented these tragic murders but would have sent the right message out that Bob has a conscience and that he is in tune with public opinion. Instead of doin what was right he just followed the Lib Dem party line. Can't for the life of me think any right minded person wouldn't think that stiffer penalties for carrying knives was wrong. Obviously Bob thinks otherwise, to the point that he goes against public opinion, in favour his party![/p][/quote]Absolutely agree with you OK. But we let him get away with it time and time again. King Bob of Bobtown has his own agenda - it's basically no 1 what he wants, and no 2 what's going to benefit king Bob. Anyone know how to depose him? We are paying him a bucket of our money for his lack luster performance to represent us - in any business trading standards would be on his case. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 10

9:05pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Mohammad Akbar says...

Mr Honest wrote:
Mohammad Akbar wrote:
For the sake of Colchester I hope they fine the killer of Nahid soon.
How dare you! What about poor Jim? For the sake of Colchester I hope they find the killer of Nahid AND Jim soon. Get the chip off your shoulder fella!
Obviously I hope they find the murderer of Nahid and James, I think you need to calm down and get the chip off your shoulder, your message clearly has racial undertones because if my name was John Smith you would have said nothing about it.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Honest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mohammad Akbar[/bold] wrote: For the sake of Colchester I hope they fine the killer of Nahid soon.[/p][/quote]How dare you! What about poor Jim? For the sake of Colchester I hope they find the killer of Nahid AND Jim soon. Get the chip off your shoulder fella![/p][/quote]Obviously I hope they find the murderer of Nahid and James, I think you need to calm down and get the chip off your shoulder, your message clearly has racial undertones because if my name was John Smith you would have said nothing about it. Mohammad Akbar
  • Score: -5

10:13pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Fnagster says...

This obviously isn't going to work, they didn't say please!
This obviously isn't going to work, they didn't say please! Fnagster
  • Score: 5

11:19pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Boris says...

Angry of Lexden wrote:
Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
It would have been good if Bob Russell, our MP, had voted with the government for stiffer penalties for those who carry knives. He didn't! It would not have prevented these tragic murders but would have sent the right message out that Bob has a conscience and that he is in tune with public opinion. Instead of doin what was right he just followed the Lib Dem party line.

Can't for the life of me think any right minded person wouldn't think that stiffer penalties for carrying knives was wrong. Obviously Bob thinks otherwise, to the point that he goes against public opinion, in favour his party!
Absolutely agree with you OK. But we let him get away with it time and time again. King Bob of Bobtown has his own agenda - it's basically no 1 what he wants, and no 2 what's going to benefit king Bob. Anyone know how to depose him? We are paying him a bucket of our money for his lack luster performance to represent us - in any business trading standards would be on his case.
Gordon Bennett, Angry, your incoherent rants against Bob Russell are getting boring. You can only depose him by electing someone else. All the main parties have already selected their candidates, an unprepossessing bunch, but at least they have their party machines behind them. Why don't you stand? Or just join one of those other parties and campaign seriously. But Bob gets up earlier in the morning than you, so be prepared for disappointment.
[quote][p][bold]Angry of Lexden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: It would have been good if Bob Russell, our MP, had voted with the government for stiffer penalties for those who carry knives. He didn't! It would not have prevented these tragic murders but would have sent the right message out that Bob has a conscience and that he is in tune with public opinion. Instead of doin what was right he just followed the Lib Dem party line. Can't for the life of me think any right minded person wouldn't think that stiffer penalties for carrying knives was wrong. Obviously Bob thinks otherwise, to the point that he goes against public opinion, in favour his party![/p][/quote]Absolutely agree with you OK. But we let him get away with it time and time again. King Bob of Bobtown has his own agenda - it's basically no 1 what he wants, and no 2 what's going to benefit king Bob. Anyone know how to depose him? We are paying him a bucket of our money for his lack luster performance to represent us - in any business trading standards would be on his case.[/p][/quote]Gordon Bennett, Angry, your incoherent rants against Bob Russell are getting boring. You can only depose him by electing someone else. All the main parties have already selected their candidates, an unprepossessing bunch, but at least they have their party machines behind them. Why don't you stand? Or just join one of those other parties and campaign seriously. But Bob gets up earlier in the morning than you, so be prepared for disappointment. Boris
  • Score: -6

1:42am Tue 8 Jul 14

Navajo wife says...

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems a lot of people seem to blane Sir Bob. No matter how strict the knife or gun laws are, some always are still on the streets. We have very strict gun laws but we still get a few calls every watch on shots fired.Sadly, there will always be stupid people who have no regard for others lives.Regarding Essex Police, we don't know exactly what evidence they have, but believe me, investigating a.homicide is very difficult, but, sometimes it can be solved where you least expect it. We hope this is the case with Jim and Nahid.
Maybe I'm wrong but it seems a lot of people seem to blane Sir Bob. No matter how strict the knife or gun laws are, some always are still on the streets. We have very strict gun laws but we still get a few calls every watch on shots fired.Sadly, there will always be stupid people who have no regard for others lives.Regarding Essex Police, we don't know exactly what evidence they have, but believe me, investigating a.homicide is very difficult, but, sometimes it can be solved where you least expect it. We hope this is the case with Jim and Nahid. Navajo wife
  • Score: 0

7:01am Tue 8 Jul 14

Nom De Plume says...

I think the point of this plea by Police, is that the killer or perpetrator has been in contact with Police or the Press, previously?
It was alleged by one poster last week, "The killer has been taunting the Police" etc etc.
If this is the case, how?
If my assumptions are wrong then this was a futile and desperate move at a Freudian reverse psychology attempt, to get the murderer/s to slip up. It could work?
Peter Sutcliffe slipped up eventually after being brought in for questioning.
The alleged contact made by the Colchester attacker, could have been false, akin or similar to the "I'm Jack Tapes".
There is a chance that it may push them into making a move. I think they whoever they are are out of town now.
I think the point of this plea by Police, is that the killer or perpetrator has been in contact with Police or the Press, previously? It was alleged by one poster last week, "The killer has been taunting the Police" etc etc. If this is the case, how? If my assumptions are wrong then this was a futile and desperate move at a Freudian reverse psychology attempt, to get the murderer/s to slip up. It could work? Peter Sutcliffe slipped up eventually after being brought in for questioning. The alleged contact made by the Colchester attacker, could have been false, akin or similar to the "I'm Jack Tapes". There is a chance that it may push them into making a move. I think they whoever they are are out of town now. Nom De Plume
  • Score: 1

7:56am Tue 8 Jul 14

Bhudeeka says...

still going on about her with no mention of the poor white lad who was savagely murdered police should be ashamed of themselves for theire bigotry
still going on about her with no mention of the poor white lad who was savagely murdered police should be ashamed of themselves for theire bigotry Bhudeeka
  • Score: -7

7:56am Tue 8 Jul 14

Bhudeeka says...

still going on about her with no mention of the poor white lad who was savagely murdered police should be ashamed of themselves for theire bigotry
still going on about her with no mention of the poor white lad who was savagely murdered police should be ashamed of themselves for theire bigotry Bhudeeka
  • Score: -5

8:12am Tue 8 Jul 14

blockpaver says...

Mohammad Akbar wrote:
Mr Honest wrote:
Mohammad Akbar wrote:
For the sake of Colchester I hope they fine the killer of Nahid soon.
How dare you! What about poor Jim? For the sake of Colchester I hope they find the killer of Nahid AND Jim soon. Get the chip off your shoulder fella!
Obviously I hope they find the murderer of Nahid and James, I think you need to calm down and get the chip off your shoulder, your message clearly has racial undertones because if my name was John Smith you would have said nothing about it.
I assume that you are a Muslim so the murder of a Muslim girl, I’m sure, is probably discussed more in your community than that of a non Muslim, a matter of fact, so it’s obvious that when posting a comment Nahid would be foremost in your mind hence the comment.

The problem is that the trap was there and regrettably you walked right into it, giving some the opportunity they’ve been waiting for to bring prejudices into play. Regrettably we all have them to varying degrees and I suggest that your “John Smith” illustration indicates yours.

The facts are that two young people are dead, and indications are that any of us, of whatever colour, class or creed could be next, something perhaps we should all ponder and focus on.

We all need to support the Police in bringing the perpetrators to justice. I’m quite uncomfortable with your comment about applying real justice should “we find them first”. Once they’re caught the Justice System will deliver the penalty Society considers to be appropriate.
[quote][p][bold]Mohammad Akbar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Honest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mohammad Akbar[/bold] wrote: For the sake of Colchester I hope they fine the killer of Nahid soon.[/p][/quote]How dare you! What about poor Jim? For the sake of Colchester I hope they find the killer of Nahid AND Jim soon. Get the chip off your shoulder fella![/p][/quote]Obviously I hope they find the murderer of Nahid and James, I think you need to calm down and get the chip off your shoulder, your message clearly has racial undertones because if my name was John Smith you would have said nothing about it.[/p][/quote]I assume that you are a Muslim so the murder of a Muslim girl, I’m sure, is probably discussed more in your community than that of a non Muslim, a matter of fact, so it’s obvious that when posting a comment Nahid would be foremost in your mind hence the comment. The problem is that the trap was there and regrettably you walked right into it, giving some the opportunity they’ve been waiting for to bring prejudices into play. Regrettably we all have them to varying degrees and I suggest that your “John Smith” illustration indicates yours. The facts are that two young people are dead, and indications are that any of us, of whatever colour, class or creed could be next, something perhaps we should all ponder and focus on. We all need to support the Police in bringing the perpetrators to justice. I’m quite uncomfortable with your comment about applying real justice should “we find them first”. Once they’re caught the Justice System will deliver the penalty Society considers to be appropriate. blockpaver
  • Score: 15

8:31am Tue 8 Jul 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

Navajo wife wrote:
Maybe I'm wrong but it seems a lot of people seem to blane Sir Bob. No matter how strict the knife or gun laws are, some always are still on the streets. We have very strict gun laws but we still get a few calls every watch on shots fired.Sadly, there will always be stupid people who have no regard for others lives.Regarding Essex Police, we don't know exactly what evidence they have, but believe me, investigating a.homicide is very difficult, but, sometimes it can be solved where you least expect it. We hope this is the case with Jim and Nahid.
Stricter laws and tougher sentences on both carrying knives and on using them must only be a good thing! It won't stop all those who carry knives but may make the majority think twice about the consequences.

Bob Russell voted against introducing tougher penalties because he was just following his "Lib Dem" party line. In effect by voting the way he did it shows his thoughts are with his closest political allies and not with the majority of his constituents, who are sick of what has happened in Colchester.

As our MP he should be more aware of public opinion. We have seen two very serious frenzied knife attacks in recent months, the sad death of Jay Whiston, (dread to think what his family thinks of Bob) as well as many other knife related crimes, in this borough alone.

Bob Russell has not explained why he won't support stiffer penalties for knife and knife carrying crimes and even more bizarre is our local press seem complicit in "letting him off the hook" by not getting him to explain his actions. Seems he's only seen in the papers when there is a photo opportunity!

And Boris, yes he's been selected as the Lib Dem candidate for the next General Election but there is nothing stopping them from deselecting him and putting up another candidate, someone who will take account of public opinion and vote with a conscience!

Lets wait and see, I suspect nothing positive will happen.
[quote][p][bold]Navajo wife[/bold] wrote: Maybe I'm wrong but it seems a lot of people seem to blane Sir Bob. No matter how strict the knife or gun laws are, some always are still on the streets. We have very strict gun laws but we still get a few calls every watch on shots fired.Sadly, there will always be stupid people who have no regard for others lives.Regarding Essex Police, we don't know exactly what evidence they have, but believe me, investigating a.homicide is very difficult, but, sometimes it can be solved where you least expect it. We hope this is the case with Jim and Nahid.[/p][/quote]Stricter laws and tougher sentences on both carrying knives and on using them must only be a good thing! It won't stop all those who carry knives but may make the majority think twice about the consequences. Bob Russell voted against introducing tougher penalties because he was just following his "Lib Dem" party line. In effect by voting the way he did it shows his thoughts are with his closest political allies and not with the majority of his constituents, who are sick of what has happened in Colchester. As our MP he should be more aware of public opinion. We have seen two very serious frenzied knife attacks in recent months, the sad death of Jay Whiston, (dread to think what his family thinks of Bob) as well as many other knife related crimes, in this borough alone. Bob Russell has not explained why he won't support stiffer penalties for knife and knife carrying crimes and even more bizarre is our local press seem complicit in "letting him off the hook" by not getting him to explain his actions. Seems he's only seen in the papers when there is a photo opportunity! And Boris, yes he's been selected as the Lib Dem candidate for the next General Election but there is nothing stopping them from deselecting him and putting up another candidate, someone who will take account of public opinion and vote with a conscience! Lets wait and see, I suspect nothing positive will happen. Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: 6

1:58pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Mohammad Akbar says...

blockpaver wrote:
Mohammad Akbar wrote:
Mr Honest wrote:
Mohammad Akbar wrote:
For the sake of Colchester I hope they fine the killer of Nahid soon.
How dare you! What about poor Jim? For the sake of Colchester I hope they find the killer of Nahid AND Jim soon. Get the chip off your shoulder fella!
Obviously I hope they find the murderer of Nahid and James, I think you need to calm down and get the chip off your shoulder, your message clearly has racial undertones because if my name was John Smith you would have said nothing about it.
I assume that you are a Muslim so the murder of a Muslim girl, I’m sure, is probably discussed more in your community than that of a non Muslim, a matter of fact, so it’s obvious that when posting a comment Nahid would be foremost in your mind hence the comment.

The problem is that the trap was there and regrettably you walked right into it, giving some the opportunity they’ve been waiting for to bring prejudices into play. Regrettably we all have them to varying degrees and I suggest that your “John Smith” illustration indicates yours.

The facts are that two young people are dead, and indications are that any of us, of whatever colour, class or creed could be next, something perhaps we should all ponder and focus on.

We all need to support the Police in bringing the perpetrators to justice. I’m quite uncomfortable with your comment about applying real justice should “we find them first”. Once they’re caught the Justice System will deliver the penalty Society considers to be appropriate.
You are as crazy as you paving, you assume a lot about the Muslim people but you know nothing, we are very forgiving and I will forgive your idiocies.
[quote][p][bold]blockpaver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mohammad Akbar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Honest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mohammad Akbar[/bold] wrote: For the sake of Colchester I hope they fine the killer of Nahid soon.[/p][/quote]How dare you! What about poor Jim? For the sake of Colchester I hope they find the killer of Nahid AND Jim soon. Get the chip off your shoulder fella![/p][/quote]Obviously I hope they find the murderer of Nahid and James, I think you need to calm down and get the chip off your shoulder, your message clearly has racial undertones because if my name was John Smith you would have said nothing about it.[/p][/quote]I assume that you are a Muslim so the murder of a Muslim girl, I’m sure, is probably discussed more in your community than that of a non Muslim, a matter of fact, so it’s obvious that when posting a comment Nahid would be foremost in your mind hence the comment. The problem is that the trap was there and regrettably you walked right into it, giving some the opportunity they’ve been waiting for to bring prejudices into play. Regrettably we all have them to varying degrees and I suggest that your “John Smith” illustration indicates yours. The facts are that two young people are dead, and indications are that any of us, of whatever colour, class or creed could be next, something perhaps we should all ponder and focus on. We all need to support the Police in bringing the perpetrators to justice. I’m quite uncomfortable with your comment about applying real justice should “we find them first”. Once they’re caught the Justice System will deliver the penalty Society considers to be appropriate.[/p][/quote]You are as crazy as you paving, you assume a lot about the Muslim people but you know nothing, we are very forgiving and I will forgive your idiocies. Mohammad Akbar
  • Score: -14

12:01am Wed 9 Jul 14

Assimilation says...

Setting aside all this back biting and bickering. Lets look at this from another angle.
Jim was stabbed over one hundred times in what appears to be a motiveless attack.
Nahid was stabbed 16 times in what also appears to be a motiveless attack. But, are they related ? Are they by the same attacker ?
Think about it, both attacked in the same way, on their own, no witness, just the victim and the attacker, to get the police to look for one person.
Maybe the perfect cover for an honer killing.
Setting aside all this back biting and bickering. Lets look at this from another angle. Jim was stabbed over one hundred times in what appears to be a motiveless attack. Nahid was stabbed 16 times in what also appears to be a motiveless attack. But, are they related ? Are they by the same attacker ? Think about it, both attacked in the same way, on their own, no witness, just the victim and the attacker, to get the police to look for one person. Maybe the perfect cover for an honer killing. Assimilation
  • Score: -2

5:29am Wed 9 Jul 14

MaryPoppins87 says...

blockpaver wrote:
Mohammad Akbar wrote:
Mr Honest wrote:
Mohammad Akbar wrote:
For the sake of Colchester I hope they fine the killer of Nahid soon.
How dare you! What about poor Jim? For the sake of Colchester I hope they find the killer of Nahid AND Jim soon. Get the chip off your shoulder fella!
Obviously I hope they find the murderer of Nahid and James, I think you need to calm down and get the chip off your shoulder, your message clearly has racial undertones because if my name was John Smith you would have said nothing about it.
I assume that you are a Muslim so the murder of a Muslim girl, I’m sure, is probably discussed more in your community than that of a non Muslim, a matter of fact, so it’s obvious that when posting a comment Nahid would be foremost in your mind hence the comment.

The problem is that the trap was there and regrettably you walked right into it, giving some the opportunity they’ve been waiting for to bring prejudices into play. Regrettably we all have them to varying degrees and I suggest that your “John Smith” illustration indicates yours.

The facts are that two young people are dead, and indications are that any of us, of whatever colour, class or creed could be next, something perhaps we should all ponder and focus on.

We all need to support the Police in bringing the perpetrators to justice. I’m quite uncomfortable with your comment about applying real justice should “we find them first”. Once they’re caught the Justice System will deliver the penalty Society considers to be appropriate.
Totally agree, well said
[quote][p][bold]blockpaver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mohammad Akbar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Honest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mohammad Akbar[/bold] wrote: For the sake of Colchester I hope they fine the killer of Nahid soon.[/p][/quote]How dare you! What about poor Jim? For the sake of Colchester I hope they find the killer of Nahid AND Jim soon. Get the chip off your shoulder fella![/p][/quote]Obviously I hope they find the murderer of Nahid and James, I think you need to calm down and get the chip off your shoulder, your message clearly has racial undertones because if my name was John Smith you would have said nothing about it.[/p][/quote]I assume that you are a Muslim so the murder of a Muslim girl, I’m sure, is probably discussed more in your community than that of a non Muslim, a matter of fact, so it’s obvious that when posting a comment Nahid would be foremost in your mind hence the comment. The problem is that the trap was there and regrettably you walked right into it, giving some the opportunity they’ve been waiting for to bring prejudices into play. Regrettably we all have them to varying degrees and I suggest that your “John Smith” illustration indicates yours. The facts are that two young people are dead, and indications are that any of us, of whatever colour, class or creed could be next, something perhaps we should all ponder and focus on. We all need to support the Police in bringing the perpetrators to justice. I’m quite uncomfortable with your comment about applying real justice should “we find them first”. Once they’re caught the Justice System will deliver the penalty Society considers to be appropriate.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, well said MaryPoppins87
  • Score: 9

8:52am Wed 9 Jul 14

blockpaver says...

“Mohammad Akbar says...

You are as crazy as you paving, you assume a lot about the Muslim people but you know nothing, we are very forgiving and I will forgive your idiocies.”

It’s heartening to see that tolerance; respect; and objective, rational, articulate debate thrives in Colchester!

I would like to offer my continuing sympathy to the families of both victims, and my sincere apologies to them if any of my comments or the response they prompted added in any way to their grieving or anguish.

I’ll say no more.
“Mohammad Akbar says... You are as crazy as you paving, you assume a lot about the Muslim people but you know nothing, we are very forgiving and I will forgive your idiocies.” It’s heartening to see that tolerance; respect; and objective, rational, articulate debate thrives in Colchester! I would like to offer my continuing sympathy to the families of both victims, and my sincere apologies to them if any of my comments or the response they prompted added in any way to their grieving or anguish. I’ll say no more. blockpaver
  • Score: 3

12:31pm Wed 9 Jul 14

shake-it says...

How reassuring.
How reassuring. shake-it
  • Score: 1

10:52pm Thu 17 Jul 14

colchlad says...

Over a week later and he still hasn't given himself up. Anybody surprised?
Over a week later and he still hasn't given himself up. Anybody surprised? colchlad
  • Score: 0

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