Flakt Woods to make 44 redundant in bid to deal with changes in workload

Flakt Woods to make 44 redundant in bid to deal with changes in workload

Flakt Woods to make 44 redundant in bid to deal with changes in workload

First published in News

ONE of Colchester’s most successful businesses is making 44 workers redundant.

Flakt Woods, based in Axial Way, Colchester, has also put plans to hire 12 apprentices from Colchester Institute on hold.

The firm, which makes industrial fans, including for Olympics stadiums, says it needs to change its workforce to cope better with busy and quiet periods.

In total, 30 staff from the factory floor and 14 from the office are working a 30-day notice period ending on Friday, July 11.

A statement released yesterday said: “Flakt Woods is commencing a redundancy process at its Colchester site as part of a programme of accommodating fluctuations in factory load and improving its ability to meet customer demand.

“The company is experiencing challenging trading circumstances due to a shift in market conditions – specifically the ability to meet customer demands for shorter lead times and manage the increasing bespoke nature of some of our product offering."

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11:09am Thu 3 Jul 14

donttellanyone says...

Wonder how many of them staff are the ones been their the shortest so they dont have yo pay them much to get rid of them massive factory now seems pointless.
Wonder how many of them staff are the ones been their the shortest so they dont have yo pay them much to get rid of them massive factory now seems pointless. donttellanyone
  • Score: 1

1:18pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Shrubendlad says...

The company needs as much help as possible. The Chambers of Commerce,prominant local politicians should not only recognise the danger signs but actively encourage other firms to come to the area.
Colchester used to be a powerful Engineering town with Paxmans, The Colchester Lathe Co and Woods providing huge local employment.
The town needs to redevelop a mixed economy and follow successful German towns with FAMILY firms driving the economy.
Colchester has too many STDENTS-It needs vocational JOBS.
The company needs as much help as possible. The Chambers of Commerce,prominant local politicians should not only recognise the danger signs but actively encourage other firms to come to the area. Colchester used to be a powerful Engineering town with Paxmans, The Colchester Lathe Co and Woods providing huge local employment. The town needs to redevelop a mixed economy and follow successful German towns with FAMILY firms driving the economy. Colchester has too many STDENTS-It needs vocational JOBS. Shrubendlad
  • Score: -4

2:14pm Thu 3 Jul 14

shallowJoker says...

donttellanyone wrote:
Wonder how many of them staff are the ones been their the shortest so they dont have yo pay them much to get rid of them massive factory now seems pointless.
Maybe if your comment was written in proper English it may have made more sense, I dare say I have made some mistakes in my reply but yours is way off target.
[quote][p][bold]donttellanyone[/bold] wrote: Wonder how many of them staff are the ones been their the shortest so they dont have yo pay them much to get rid of them massive factory now seems pointless.[/p][/quote]Maybe if your comment was written in proper English it may have made more sense, I dare say I have made some mistakes in my reply but yours is way off target. shallowJoker
  • Score: -6

7:06pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Angry of Lexden says...

Shrubendlad wrote:
The company needs as much help as possible. The Chambers of Commerce,prominant local politicians should not only recognise the danger signs but actively encourage other firms to come to the area.
Colchester used to be a powerful Engineering town with Paxmans, The Colchester Lathe Co and Woods providing huge local employment.
The town needs to redevelop a mixed economy and follow successful German towns with FAMILY firms driving the economy.
Colchester has too many STDENTS-It needs vocational JOBS.
Hello Shrubendlad. I don't want to be negative but I think, not only Colchester but the rest of the UK nose dived through the critical minimum level of UK based manufacturing in the mid nineties. We simply don't make major items in the UK at a volume that supports a components industry. I used to sell industrial coatings, used on anything from a pencil to a ship. Thirty years ago the UK was a powerful player in terms of manufacture. I would spend best part of two weeks visiting manufactures in Colchester and ipswich. Most towns of our size would have some form of manufacturing and most would use paint on their products. There were 300 independent paint makers in the UK all of which had in house training schemes and collectively funded a central paint research and training organisation. Because as a nation we no longer make stuff, the industrial paint marked has shrunk to a point that no longer supports R&D. There are no UK manufacturer's of paint ingredients - technology now lost cannot be recovered at the flick of a switch. So it's down to finance, software and service industries. Shame for young people who would excel in manufacturing.
[quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: The company needs as much help as possible. The Chambers of Commerce,prominant local politicians should not only recognise the danger signs but actively encourage other firms to come to the area. Colchester used to be a powerful Engineering town with Paxmans, The Colchester Lathe Co and Woods providing huge local employment. The town needs to redevelop a mixed economy and follow successful German towns with FAMILY firms driving the economy. Colchester has too many STDENTS-It needs vocational JOBS.[/p][/quote]Hello Shrubendlad. I don't want to be negative but I think, not only Colchester but the rest of the UK nose dived through the critical minimum level of UK based manufacturing in the mid nineties. We simply don't make major items in the UK at a volume that supports a components industry. I used to sell industrial coatings, used on anything from a pencil to a ship. Thirty years ago the UK was a powerful player in terms of manufacture. I would spend best part of two weeks visiting manufactures in Colchester and ipswich. Most towns of our size would have some form of manufacturing and most would use paint on their products. There were 300 independent paint makers in the UK all of which had in house training schemes and collectively funded a central paint research and training organisation. Because as a nation we no longer make stuff, the industrial paint marked has shrunk to a point that no longer supports R&D. There are no UK manufacturer's of paint ingredients - technology now lost cannot be recovered at the flick of a switch. So it's down to finance, software and service industries. Shame for young people who would excel in manufacturing. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 7

7:41pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Nom De Plume says...

There is no end to talent and experience on this thread.
I welcome these remarks.
Successive governments of all colors have come in and played their own economic ideal in the name of growth and and trade commerce.
Someone got it wrong.
There is no end to talent and experience on this thread. I welcome these remarks. Successive governments of all colors have come in and played their own economic ideal in the name of growth and and trade commerce. Someone got it wrong. Nom De Plume
  • Score: 2

10:45pm Thu 3 Jul 14

25414nora says...

Nom De Plume wrote:
There is no end to talent and experience on this thread.
I welcome these remarks.
Successive governments of all colors have come in and played their own economic ideal in the name of growth and and trade commerce.
Someone got it wrong.
Someone got it wrong all right !!!! Mention no names, but her Tory lot became government in 1979/80.
Until then Colchester had Woods fans, employing around 1,400
Colchester Lathe - Paxman diesels - Sound Attenuators - Mysons - Gammets - Betts - Tex Abrasives - etc.
The UK had a Motor Manufacturing industry, we had North sea Oil and Gas. British Steel, Coal, Ship building etc.
Today we have been reduced to being a service industry nation.
Our workers are screwing knobs on foreign cars,
The French still have Peugeot, Renault, Citroen,
The Germans still have BMW, Volkswagen, Audi.
'Yes' Someone Got It WRONG all right !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Nom De Plume[/bold] wrote: There is no end to talent and experience on this thread. I welcome these remarks. Successive governments of all colors have come in and played their own economic ideal in the name of growth and and trade commerce. Someone got it wrong.[/p][/quote]Someone got it wrong all right !!!! Mention no names, but her Tory lot became government in 1979/80. Until then Colchester had Woods fans, employing around 1,400 Colchester Lathe - Paxman diesels - Sound Attenuators - Mysons - Gammets - Betts - Tex Abrasives - etc. The UK had a Motor Manufacturing industry, we had North sea Oil and Gas. British Steel, Coal, Ship building etc. Today we have been reduced to being a service industry nation. Our workers are screwing knobs on foreign cars, The French still have Peugeot, Renault, Citroen, The Germans still have BMW, Volkswagen, Audi. 'Yes' Someone Got It WRONG all right !!!! 25414nora
  • Score: 10

12:35am Fri 4 Jul 14

Angry of Lexden says...

25414nora wrote:
Nom De Plume wrote:
There is no end to talent and experience on this thread.
I welcome these remarks.
Successive governments of all colors have come in and played their own economic ideal in the name of growth and and trade commerce.
Someone got it wrong.
Someone got it wrong all right !!!! Mention no names, but her Tory lot became government in 1979/80.
Until then Colchester had Woods fans, employing around 1,400
Colchester Lathe - Paxman diesels - Sound Attenuators - Mysons - Gammets - Betts - Tex Abrasives - etc.
The UK had a Motor Manufacturing industry, we had North sea Oil and Gas. British Steel, Coal, Ship building etc.
Today we have been reduced to being a service industry nation.
Our workers are screwing knobs on foreign cars,
The French still have Peugeot, Renault, Citroen,
The Germans still have BMW, Volkswagen, Audi.
'Yes' Someone Got It WRONG all right !!!!
Hi guys it angy again. Thing is when we joined the EU we accepted the rules - as British chaps do - ie its a set of rules which must be obeyed. But here's the truth, the rest of the EU nod and agree. Including us, but then the rest of them do what they like, leaving us silly brits on the rocks. This actually happened - my co . We make and sell tiny 30 cc bottles of a special paint. A new labelling eu Reg came onto force which meant we had to include a myriad of safety data - our product is water based and presents no hazard. But the regs specified we had to detail the zero haz on each risk area. Simply couldn't get it all on the tiny label - too small! So I called the help line at Westminster, when I explained the problem the guy said - don't worry, ignore it, it's a trade barrier pushed through by the French because they lost business! So it's all a con to keep the carpet baggers in clover. Problem is this is replicated throughout the markets - pencils to ships. And we are on our backs with out legs apart!
[quote][p][bold]25414nora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nom De Plume[/bold] wrote: There is no end to talent and experience on this thread. I welcome these remarks. Successive governments of all colors have come in and played their own economic ideal in the name of growth and and trade commerce. Someone got it wrong.[/p][/quote]Someone got it wrong all right !!!! Mention no names, but her Tory lot became government in 1979/80. Until then Colchester had Woods fans, employing around 1,400 Colchester Lathe - Paxman diesels - Sound Attenuators - Mysons - Gammets - Betts - Tex Abrasives - etc. The UK had a Motor Manufacturing industry, we had North sea Oil and Gas. British Steel, Coal, Ship building etc. Today we have been reduced to being a service industry nation. Our workers are screwing knobs on foreign cars, The French still have Peugeot, Renault, Citroen, The Germans still have BMW, Volkswagen, Audi. 'Yes' Someone Got It WRONG all right !!!![/p][/quote]Hi guys it angy again. Thing is when we joined the EU we accepted the rules - as British chaps do - ie its a set of rules which must be obeyed. But here's the truth, the rest of the EU nod and agree. Including us, but then the rest of them do what they like, leaving us silly brits on the rocks. This actually happened - my co . We make and sell tiny 30 cc bottles of a special paint. A new labelling eu Reg came onto force which meant we had to include a myriad of safety data - our product is water based and presents no hazard. But the regs specified we had to detail the zero haz on each risk area. Simply couldn't get it all on the tiny label - too small! So I called the help line at Westminster, when I explained the problem the guy said - don't worry, ignore it, it's a trade barrier pushed through by the French because they lost business! So it's all a con to keep the carpet baggers in clover. Problem is this is replicated throughout the markets - pencils to ships. And we are on our backs with out legs apart! Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 4

1:18am Fri 4 Jul 14

Angry of Lexden says...

Angry of Lexden wrote:
25414nora wrote:
Nom De Plume wrote:
There is no end to talent and experience on this thread.
I welcome these remarks.
Successive governments of all colors have come in and played their own economic ideal in the name of growth and and trade commerce.
Someone got it wrong.
Someone got it wrong all right !!!! Mention no names, but her Tory lot became government in 1979/80.
Until then Colchester had Woods fans, employing around 1,400
Colchester Lathe - Paxman diesels - Sound Attenuators - Mysons - Gammets - Betts - Tex Abrasives - etc.
The UK had a Motor Manufacturing industry, we had North sea Oil and Gas. British Steel, Coal, Ship building etc.
Today we have been reduced to being a service industry nation.
Our workers are screwing knobs on foreign cars,
The French still have Peugeot, Renault, Citroen,
The Germans still have BMW, Volkswagen, Audi.
'Yes' Someone Got It WRONG all right !!!!
Hi guys it angy again. Thing is when we joined the EU we accepted the rules - as British chaps do - ie its a set of rules which must be obeyed. But here's the truth, the rest of the EU nod and agree. Including us, but then the rest of them do what they like, leaving us silly brits on the rocks. This actually happened - my co . We make and sell tiny 30 cc bottles of a special paint. A new labelling eu Reg came onto force which meant we had to include a myriad of safety data - our product is water based and presents no hazard. But the regs specified we had to detail the zero haz on each risk area. Simply couldn't get it all on the tiny label - too small! So I called the help line at Westminster, when I explained the problem the guy said - don't worry, ignore it, it's a trade barrier pushed through by the French because they lost business! So it's all a con to keep the carpet baggers in clover. Problem is this is replicated throughout the markets - pencils to ships. And we are on our backs with out legs apart!
Ps another example if eu poo which actually happened. My co developed a new coating technology for mirrors. I spent months in Milan - centre of mirror production in the EU. We started with small trial orders which eventually resulted in an order for an 18 tonne road tanker. We shipped the first tanker, it was stopped at the border on a discredited technical challenge. The local brit trade guy was brilliant. He went to the border and called me to explain that local Italian suppliers were not happy with our success and had involved the Italian excise unit, who had sent the tanker back to the UK. The UK trade delegation man explained it was a masked trade barrier. But if we added 0.5% di-nitro benzene to the tanker it would be accepted, I telexed (do you remember telexes? ) and agreed.. DNB is an explosive, I telexed back that we had already added the DNB. And guess what? The tanker was released to deliver. Truth is, of course we didn't add DNB - it would have propelled the tanker into the med. I'm definitely not ukip, but have always known the EU is a gigantic condom on the peni of trade development.
[quote][p][bold]Angry of Lexden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]25414nora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nom De Plume[/bold] wrote: There is no end to talent and experience on this thread. I welcome these remarks. Successive governments of all colors have come in and played their own economic ideal in the name of growth and and trade commerce. Someone got it wrong.[/p][/quote]Someone got it wrong all right !!!! Mention no names, but her Tory lot became government in 1979/80. Until then Colchester had Woods fans, employing around 1,400 Colchester Lathe - Paxman diesels - Sound Attenuators - Mysons - Gammets - Betts - Tex Abrasives - etc. The UK had a Motor Manufacturing industry, we had North sea Oil and Gas. British Steel, Coal, Ship building etc. Today we have been reduced to being a service industry nation. Our workers are screwing knobs on foreign cars, The French still have Peugeot, Renault, Citroen, The Germans still have BMW, Volkswagen, Audi. 'Yes' Someone Got It WRONG all right !!!![/p][/quote]Hi guys it angy again. Thing is when we joined the EU we accepted the rules - as British chaps do - ie its a set of rules which must be obeyed. But here's the truth, the rest of the EU nod and agree. Including us, but then the rest of them do what they like, leaving us silly brits on the rocks. This actually happened - my co . We make and sell tiny 30 cc bottles of a special paint. A new labelling eu Reg came onto force which meant we had to include a myriad of safety data - our product is water based and presents no hazard. But the regs specified we had to detail the zero haz on each risk area. Simply couldn't get it all on the tiny label - too small! So I called the help line at Westminster, when I explained the problem the guy said - don't worry, ignore it, it's a trade barrier pushed through by the French because they lost business! So it's all a con to keep the carpet baggers in clover. Problem is this is replicated throughout the markets - pencils to ships. And we are on our backs with out legs apart![/p][/quote]Ps another example if eu poo which actually happened. My co developed a new coating technology for mirrors. I spent months in Milan - centre of mirror production in the EU. We started with small trial orders which eventually resulted in an order for an 18 tonne road tanker. We shipped the first tanker, it was stopped at the border on a discredited technical challenge. The local brit trade guy was brilliant. He went to the border and called me to explain that local Italian suppliers were not happy with our success and had involved the Italian excise unit, who had sent the tanker back to the UK. The UK trade delegation man explained it was a masked trade barrier. But if we added 0.5% di-nitro benzene to the tanker it would be accepted, I telexed (do you remember telexes? ) and agreed.. DNB is an explosive, I telexed back that we had already added the DNB. And guess what? The tanker was released to deliver. Truth is, of course we didn't add DNB - it would have propelled the tanker into the med. I'm definitely not ukip, but have always known the EU is a gigantic condom on the peni of trade development. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 3

8:25am Fri 4 Jul 14

shallowJoker says...

shallowJoker wrote:
donttellanyone wrote:
Wonder how many of them staff are the ones been their the shortest so they dont have yo pay them much to get rid of them massive factory now seems pointless.
Maybe if your comment was written in proper English it may have made more sense, I dare say I have made some mistakes in my reply but yours is way off target.
8 thumbs done I presume they are from the numpty's who work there.
[quote][p][bold]shallowJoker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]donttellanyone[/bold] wrote: Wonder how many of them staff are the ones been their the shortest so they dont have yo pay them much to get rid of them massive factory now seems pointless.[/p][/quote]Maybe if your comment was written in proper English it may have made more sense, I dare say I have made some mistakes in my reply but yours is way off target.[/p][/quote]8 thumbs done I presume they are from the numpty's who work there. shallowJoker
  • Score: -4

12:25pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Jess Jephcott says...

The slings and arrows of modern day industry. A shame for the workers involved but there is no free ride in the private sector. It needs to make a profit. Not so in the public sector where no profit has to be made and money and pensions grow on trees. I have watched the decline of industry over the decades since I became an apprentice at Woods of Colchester in the 60s. I have seen the unions and their communist leaders do their level best to bring the country to its knees and how Maggie dealt with that scum. I have run my own engineering business for several decades now and we have found ourselves adapting to the market place, the loss of car manufacturing, the oil industry going to Norway, the health and safety parasites who have done much to destroy what they can, the dumbing down of maths and engineeing in schools. Our secret has been to keep it small, use small local sub-contractors, buy local where possible (yes we buy a lot of Flakt Woods fans through their distributors - another lesson there!), treat your customer like a king, get money up front from uncreditworthy people. We have even taken on a sideline with supplying spares for Colchester Lathes, we dumped Colchester back in 1992 and didn't leave a spares outlet behind for those that needed them. We are exporting all over the world. Oh, and along the way, we employ quite a few people too, some who have left me to start their own companies. So quit whining. There is a lot of business out there. All you have to do is go find it and, if there is a profit in it, go to it.
The slings and arrows of modern day industry. A shame for the workers involved but there is no free ride in the private sector. It needs to make a profit. Not so in the public sector where no profit has to be made and money and pensions grow on trees. I have watched the decline of industry over the decades since I became an apprentice at Woods of Colchester in the 60s. I have seen the unions and their communist leaders do their level best to bring the country to its knees and how Maggie dealt with that scum. I have run my own engineering business for several decades now and we have found ourselves adapting to the market place, the loss of car manufacturing, the oil industry going to Norway, the health and safety parasites who have done much to destroy what they can, the dumbing down of maths and engineeing in schools. Our secret has been to keep it small, use small local sub-contractors, buy local where possible (yes we buy a lot of Flakt Woods fans through their distributors - another lesson there!), treat your customer like a king, get money up front from uncreditworthy people. We have even taken on a sideline with supplying spares for Colchester Lathes, we dumped Colchester back in 1992 and didn't leave a spares outlet behind for those that needed them. We are exporting all over the world. Oh, and along the way, we employ quite a few people too, some who have left me to start their own companies. So quit whining. There is a lot of business out there. All you have to do is go find it and, if there is a profit in it, go to it. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: -2

4:39pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Angry of Lexden says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
The slings and arrows of modern day industry. A shame for the workers involved but there is no free ride in the private sector. It needs to make a profit. Not so in the public sector where no profit has to be made and money and pensions grow on trees. I have watched the decline of industry over the decades since I became an apprentice at Woods of Colchester in the 60s. I have seen the unions and their communist leaders do their level best to bring the country to its knees and how Maggie dealt with that scum. I have run my own engineering business for several decades now and we have found ourselves adapting to the market place, the loss of car manufacturing, the oil industry going to Norway, the health and safety parasites who have done much to destroy what they can, the dumbing down of maths and engineeing in schools. Our secret has been to keep it small, use small local sub-contractors, buy local where possible (yes we buy a lot of Flakt Woods fans through their distributors - another lesson there!), treat your customer like a king, get money up front from uncreditworthy people. We have even taken on a sideline with supplying spares for Colchester Lathes, we dumped Colchester back in 1992 and didn't leave a spares outlet behind for those that needed them. We are exporting all over the world. Oh, and along the way, we employ quite a few people too, some who have left me to start their own companies. So quit whining. There is a lot of business out there. All you have to do is go find it and, if there is a profit in it, go to it.
With you to an extent JJ, but your are talking survival and a bit more. We have lost UK owned major manufacturing and the supporting UK base and owned r&d. R&d technology is key to major commercial growth. We in what's left of the paint industry, now have to buy from suppliers owned by our German or Scandinavian competitors - they keep the good stuff for themselves. So yes, we can make a profit in speciality sectors for small and medium sized business. But I believe in the long term we need British owned big oems, which would bring back UK owned r&d. Big oems offer mass employment at oem level and down stream component suppliers, plus training and vocational trades.
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: The slings and arrows of modern day industry. A shame for the workers involved but there is no free ride in the private sector. It needs to make a profit. Not so in the public sector where no profit has to be made and money and pensions grow on trees. I have watched the decline of industry over the decades since I became an apprentice at Woods of Colchester in the 60s. I have seen the unions and their communist leaders do their level best to bring the country to its knees and how Maggie dealt with that scum. I have run my own engineering business for several decades now and we have found ourselves adapting to the market place, the loss of car manufacturing, the oil industry going to Norway, the health and safety parasites who have done much to destroy what they can, the dumbing down of maths and engineeing in schools. Our secret has been to keep it small, use small local sub-contractors, buy local where possible (yes we buy a lot of Flakt Woods fans through their distributors - another lesson there!), treat your customer like a king, get money up front from uncreditworthy people. We have even taken on a sideline with supplying spares for Colchester Lathes, we dumped Colchester back in 1992 and didn't leave a spares outlet behind for those that needed them. We are exporting all over the world. Oh, and along the way, we employ quite a few people too, some who have left me to start their own companies. So quit whining. There is a lot of business out there. All you have to do is go find it and, if there is a profit in it, go to it.[/p][/quote]With you to an extent JJ, but your are talking survival and a bit more. We have lost UK owned major manufacturing and the supporting UK base and owned r&d. R&d technology is key to major commercial growth. We in what's left of the paint industry, now have to buy from suppliers owned by our German or Scandinavian competitors - they keep the good stuff for themselves. So yes, we can make a profit in speciality sectors for small and medium sized business. But I believe in the long term we need British owned big oems, which would bring back UK owned r&d. Big oems offer mass employment at oem level and down stream component suppliers, plus training and vocational trades. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 2

4:39pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Angry of Lexden says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
The slings and arrows of modern day industry. A shame for the workers involved but there is no free ride in the private sector. It needs to make a profit. Not so in the public sector where no profit has to be made and money and pensions grow on trees. I have watched the decline of industry over the decades since I became an apprentice at Woods of Colchester in the 60s. I have seen the unions and their communist leaders do their level best to bring the country to its knees and how Maggie dealt with that scum. I have run my own engineering business for several decades now and we have found ourselves adapting to the market place, the loss of car manufacturing, the oil industry going to Norway, the health and safety parasites who have done much to destroy what they can, the dumbing down of maths and engineeing in schools. Our secret has been to keep it small, use small local sub-contractors, buy local where possible (yes we buy a lot of Flakt Woods fans through their distributors - another lesson there!), treat your customer like a king, get money up front from uncreditworthy people. We have even taken on a sideline with supplying spares for Colchester Lathes, we dumped Colchester back in 1992 and didn't leave a spares outlet behind for those that needed them. We are exporting all over the world. Oh, and along the way, we employ quite a few people too, some who have left me to start their own companies. So quit whining. There is a lot of business out there. All you have to do is go find it and, if there is a profit in it, go to it.
With you to an extent JJ, but your are talking survival and a bit more. We have lost UK owned major manufacturing and the supporting UK base and owned r&d. R&d technology is key to major commercial growth. We in what's left of the paint industry, now have to buy from suppliers owned by our German or Scandinavian competitors - they keep the good stuff for themselves. So yes, we can make a profit in speciality sectors for small and medium sized business. But I believe in the long term we need British owned big oems, which would bring back UK owned r&d. Big oems offer mass employment at oem level and down stream component suppliers, plus training and vocational trades.
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: The slings and arrows of modern day industry. A shame for the workers involved but there is no free ride in the private sector. It needs to make a profit. Not so in the public sector where no profit has to be made and money and pensions grow on trees. I have watched the decline of industry over the decades since I became an apprentice at Woods of Colchester in the 60s. I have seen the unions and their communist leaders do their level best to bring the country to its knees and how Maggie dealt with that scum. I have run my own engineering business for several decades now and we have found ourselves adapting to the market place, the loss of car manufacturing, the oil industry going to Norway, the health and safety parasites who have done much to destroy what they can, the dumbing down of maths and engineeing in schools. Our secret has been to keep it small, use small local sub-contractors, buy local where possible (yes we buy a lot of Flakt Woods fans through their distributors - another lesson there!), treat your customer like a king, get money up front from uncreditworthy people. We have even taken on a sideline with supplying spares for Colchester Lathes, we dumped Colchester back in 1992 and didn't leave a spares outlet behind for those that needed them. We are exporting all over the world. Oh, and along the way, we employ quite a few people too, some who have left me to start their own companies. So quit whining. There is a lot of business out there. All you have to do is go find it and, if there is a profit in it, go to it.[/p][/quote]With you to an extent JJ, but your are talking survival and a bit more. We have lost UK owned major manufacturing and the supporting UK base and owned r&d. R&d technology is key to major commercial growth. We in what's left of the paint industry, now have to buy from suppliers owned by our German or Scandinavian competitors - they keep the good stuff for themselves. So yes, we can make a profit in speciality sectors for small and medium sized business. But I believe in the long term we need British owned big oems, which would bring back UK owned r&d. Big oems offer mass employment at oem level and down stream component suppliers, plus training and vocational trades. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 1

6:07pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Angry of Lexden says...

25414nora wrote:
Nom De Plume wrote:
There is no end to talent and experience on this thread.
I welcome these remarks.
Successive governments of all colors have come in and played their own economic ideal in the name of growth and and trade commerce.
Someone got it wrong.
Someone got it wrong all right !!!! Mention no names, but her Tory lot became government in 1979/80.
Until then Colchester had Woods fans, employing around 1,400
Colchester Lathe - Paxman diesels - Sound Attenuators - Mysons - Gammets - Betts - Tex Abrasives - etc.
The UK had a Motor Manufacturing industry, we had North sea Oil and Gas. British Steel, Coal, Ship building etc.
Today we have been reduced to being a service industry nation.
Our workers are screwing knobs on foreign cars,
The French still have Peugeot, Renault, Citroen,
The Germans still have BMW, Volkswagen, Audi.
'Yes' Someone Got It WRONG all right !!!!
Yes Nora I agree, some one got it wrong. Specifically the British unions who didn't have the sense to see the writing on the walls of Europe. If you recall, masons, paxman, the lathe, woods, etc had strikes for this and that, which eroded confidence in the markets. I was involved with British leyland at the time as a supplier. It was horrendous, we would send a truck of product, only for it to be turned away at the gate because Red Ken had decided to flex his muscles over a who does what dispute. And meanwhile your friends peugeot, Citroën etc built a strong platform of sales in this country. I visited the Rootes group factory in Coventry. I was required to access the roof areas, in which I found a secret room complete with bed, TV, cooker and a door onto the roof itself, where there were deck chairs. I reported this to my contact in Rootes and he explained it was where the "extra assembly workers" negotiated by the union spent their shift. It was an open secret which was not discussed. Similar at Dagenham, Brown's Lane (jaguar) and Longbridge. The unions aided and abetted by labour brought a great opportunity to export to its knees - the unions didn't read the writing. Neither did that coiffured fool scargil, who lead a once mighty mining industry to exactly where Mrs T wanted them. Why use British coal when energy could be bought from Germany Australia etc - and we still have vast coal reserves. So when local Colchester lads and lasses bemoan there are no vocational jobs in the town, we all know who to blame.
[quote][p][bold]25414nora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nom De Plume[/bold] wrote: There is no end to talent and experience on this thread. I welcome these remarks. Successive governments of all colors have come in and played their own economic ideal in the name of growth and and trade commerce. Someone got it wrong.[/p][/quote]Someone got it wrong all right !!!! Mention no names, but her Tory lot became government in 1979/80. Until then Colchester had Woods fans, employing around 1,400 Colchester Lathe - Paxman diesels - Sound Attenuators - Mysons - Gammets - Betts - Tex Abrasives - etc. The UK had a Motor Manufacturing industry, we had North sea Oil and Gas. British Steel, Coal, Ship building etc. Today we have been reduced to being a service industry nation. Our workers are screwing knobs on foreign cars, The French still have Peugeot, Renault, Citroen, The Germans still have BMW, Volkswagen, Audi. 'Yes' Someone Got It WRONG all right !!!![/p][/quote]Yes Nora I agree, some one got it wrong. Specifically the British unions who didn't have the sense to see the writing on the walls of Europe. If you recall, masons, paxman, the lathe, woods, etc had strikes for this and that, which eroded confidence in the markets. I was involved with British leyland at the time as a supplier. It was horrendous, we would send a truck of product, only for it to be turned away at the gate because Red Ken had decided to flex his muscles over a who does what dispute. And meanwhile your friends peugeot, Citroën etc built a strong platform of sales in this country. I visited the Rootes group factory in Coventry. I was required to access the roof areas, in which I found a secret room complete with bed, TV, cooker and a door onto the roof itself, where there were deck chairs. I reported this to my contact in Rootes and he explained it was where the "extra assembly workers" negotiated by the union spent their shift. It was an open secret which was not discussed. Similar at Dagenham, Brown's Lane (jaguar) and Longbridge. The unions aided and abetted by labour brought a great opportunity to export to its knees - the unions didn't read the writing. Neither did that coiffured fool scargil, who lead a once mighty mining industry to exactly where Mrs T wanted them. Why use British coal when energy could be bought from Germany Australia etc - and we still have vast coal reserves. So when local Colchester lads and lasses bemoan there are no vocational jobs in the town, we all know who to blame. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: -5

7:38pm Fri 4 Jul 14

25414nora says...

So pleased for Jess, he has run his own business for several decades.
According to his own web site he has employed (at best) between 2 & 10 people.
Now equate that to the millions of UK manufacturing jobs lost in that same time span.
But that's OK Sez our Jess It's the "Slings and Arrows of modern day industry" and "It's a shame for the workers involved".
I too worked at Woods Braiswick works for many years and was a senior shop steward for 15 yrs GMB. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of days lost through strike action in 30 yrs..
(hardly communist scum).
Yes the British Motor Industry was plagued with serious unrest and strikes in the 70s / 80s but how much of that was caused by rigid uncompromising management? .
History has proved that the Trade Unions of Germany and France
were /are every bit as, and even more militant than here in the UK.
The only difference is:) they didn't lose their entire Motor manufacturing industries...Remembe
r Austin, Morris, Rover, Hillman, Triumph, Standard, Wolsley, Bsa, Norton, Matchless, all these Great British industries allowed to disappear and British jobs exported.
'Yes' we're told, we are still one of the richest countries in the world but try telling that to the great masses of our people who have had their British identity and self respect stolen away.
So pleased for Jess, he has run his own business for several decades. According to his own web site he has employed (at best) between 2 & 10 people. Now equate that to the millions of UK manufacturing jobs lost in that same time span. But that's OK Sez our Jess It's the "Slings and Arrows of modern day industry" and "It's a shame for the workers involved". I too worked at Woods Braiswick works for many years and was a senior shop steward for 15 yrs GMB. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of days lost through strike action in 30 yrs.. (hardly communist scum). Yes the British Motor Industry was plagued with serious unrest and strikes in the 70s / 80s but how much of that was caused by rigid uncompromising management? . History has proved that the Trade Unions of Germany and France were /are every bit as, and even more militant than here in the UK. The only difference is:) they didn't lose their entire Motor manufacturing industries...Remembe r Austin, Morris, Rover, Hillman, Triumph, Standard, Wolsley, Bsa, Norton, Matchless, all these Great British industries allowed to disappear and British jobs exported. 'Yes' we're told, we are still one of the richest countries in the world but try telling that to the great masses of our people who have had their British identity and self respect stolen away. 25414nora
  • Score: 9

8:11pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Angry of Lexden says...

25414nora wrote:
So pleased for Jess, he has run his own business for several decades.
According to his own web site he has employed (at best) between 2 & 10 people.
Now equate that to the millions of UK manufacturing jobs lost in that same time span.
But that's OK Sez our Jess It's the "Slings and Arrows of modern day industry" and "It's a shame for the workers involved".
I too worked at Woods Braiswick works for many years and was a senior shop steward for 15 yrs GMB. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of days lost through strike action in 30 yrs..
(hardly communist scum).
Yes the British Motor Industry was plagued with serious unrest and strikes in the 70s / 80s but how much of that was caused by rigid uncompromising management? .
History has proved that the Trade Unions of Germany and France
were /are every bit as, and even more militant than here in the UK.
The only difference is:) they didn't lose their entire Motor manufacturing industries...Remembe

r Austin, Morris, Rover, Hillman, Triumph, Standard, Wolsley, Bsa, Norton, Matchless, all these Great British industries allowed to disappear and British jobs exported.
'Yes' we're told, we are still one of the richest countries in the world but try telling that to the great masses of our people who have had their British identity and self respect stolen away.
Nora, so you reckon was it five days lost in 30 years is ok? It's five days too many. And you are right the motor industry was saturated in suicidal strikes, but it was not the management being rigid, it was the union leaders intoxicated with power. I've worked in Germany and yes the unions are strong but not stupid - they stop short of self inflicted fatal wounds.
[quote][p][bold]25414nora[/bold] wrote: So pleased for Jess, he has run his own business for several decades. According to his own web site he has employed (at best) between 2 & 10 people. Now equate that to the millions of UK manufacturing jobs lost in that same time span. But that's OK Sez our Jess It's the "Slings and Arrows of modern day industry" and "It's a shame for the workers involved". I too worked at Woods Braiswick works for many years and was a senior shop steward for 15 yrs GMB. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of days lost through strike action in 30 yrs.. (hardly communist scum). Yes the British Motor Industry was plagued with serious unrest and strikes in the 70s / 80s but how much of that was caused by rigid uncompromising management? . History has proved that the Trade Unions of Germany and France were /are every bit as, and even more militant than here in the UK. The only difference is:) they didn't lose their entire Motor manufacturing industries...Remembe r Austin, Morris, Rover, Hillman, Triumph, Standard, Wolsley, Bsa, Norton, Matchless, all these Great British industries allowed to disappear and British jobs exported. 'Yes' we're told, we are still one of the richest countries in the world but try telling that to the great masses of our people who have had their British identity and self respect stolen away.[/p][/quote]Nora, so you reckon was it five days lost in 30 years is ok? It's five days too many. And you are right the motor industry was saturated in suicidal strikes, but it was not the management being rigid, it was the union leaders intoxicated with power. I've worked in Germany and yes the unions are strong but not stupid - they stop short of self inflicted fatal wounds. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: -3

9:08pm Fri 4 Jul 14

25414nora says...

Angry of Lexden wrote:
25414nora wrote:
Nom De Plume wrote:
There is no end to talent and experience on this thread.
I welcome these remarks.
Successive governments of all colors have come in and played their own economic ideal in the name of growth and and trade commerce.
Someone got it wrong.
Someone got it wrong all right !!!! Mention no names, but her Tory lot became government in 1979/80.
Until then Colchester had Woods fans, employing around 1,400
Colchester Lathe - Paxman diesels - Sound Attenuators - Mysons - Gammets - Betts - Tex Abrasives - etc.
The UK had a Motor Manufacturing industry, we had North sea Oil and Gas. British Steel, Coal, Ship building etc.
Today we have been reduced to being a service industry nation.
Our workers are screwing knobs on foreign cars,
The French still have Peugeot, Renault, Citroen,
The Germans still have BMW, Volkswagen, Audi.
'Yes' Someone Got It WRONG all right !!!!
Yes Nora I agree, some one got it wrong. Specifically the British unions who didn't have the sense to see the writing on the walls of Europe. If you recall, masons, paxman, the lathe, woods, etc had strikes for this and that, which eroded confidence in the markets. I was involved with British leyland at the time as a supplier. It was horrendous, we would send a truck of product, only for it to be turned away at the gate because Red Ken had decided to flex his muscles over a who does what dispute. And meanwhile your friends peugeot, Citroën etc built a strong platform of sales in this country. I visited the Rootes group factory in Coventry. I was required to access the roof areas, in which I found a secret room complete with bed, TV, cooker and a door onto the roof itself, where there were deck chairs. I reported this to my contact in Rootes and he explained it was where the "extra assembly workers" negotiated by the union spent their shift. It was an open secret which was not discussed. Similar at Dagenham, Brown's Lane (jaguar) and Longbridge. The unions aided and abetted by labour brought a great opportunity to export to its knees - the unions didn't read the writing. Neither did that coiffured fool scargil, who lead a once mighty mining industry to exactly where Mrs T wanted them. Why use British coal when energy could be bought from Germany Australia etc - and we still have vast coal reserves. So when local Colchester lads and lasses bemoan there are no vocational jobs in the town, we all know who to blame.
Oh come on Angry ? I'm reading your comment with a wry smile on my face. Are you sure you're not quoting verbatim from an old edition of the Daily Mail? (circa 1974)
Did you really find a secret room with a bed, a cooker. and a TV?
Did you really find a secret roof area with deck chairs? (for sunbathing I presume).
And who's this 'Red Ken Bloke?..Or did you mean 'RED ROBBO'?
(Robinson)
Either you live and die by the Daily Mail Bible..
Or are you telling PORKIES?
[quote][p][bold]Angry of Lexden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]25414nora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nom De Plume[/bold] wrote: There is no end to talent and experience on this thread. I welcome these remarks. Successive governments of all colors have come in and played their own economic ideal in the name of growth and and trade commerce. Someone got it wrong.[/p][/quote]Someone got it wrong all right !!!! Mention no names, but her Tory lot became government in 1979/80. Until then Colchester had Woods fans, employing around 1,400 Colchester Lathe - Paxman diesels - Sound Attenuators - Mysons - Gammets - Betts - Tex Abrasives - etc. The UK had a Motor Manufacturing industry, we had North sea Oil and Gas. British Steel, Coal, Ship building etc. Today we have been reduced to being a service industry nation. Our workers are screwing knobs on foreign cars, The French still have Peugeot, Renault, Citroen, The Germans still have BMW, Volkswagen, Audi. 'Yes' Someone Got It WRONG all right !!!![/p][/quote]Yes Nora I agree, some one got it wrong. Specifically the British unions who didn't have the sense to see the writing on the walls of Europe. If you recall, masons, paxman, the lathe, woods, etc had strikes for this and that, which eroded confidence in the markets. I was involved with British leyland at the time as a supplier. It was horrendous, we would send a truck of product, only for it to be turned away at the gate because Red Ken had decided to flex his muscles over a who does what dispute. And meanwhile your friends peugeot, Citroën etc built a strong platform of sales in this country. I visited the Rootes group factory in Coventry. I was required to access the roof areas, in which I found a secret room complete with bed, TV, cooker and a door onto the roof itself, where there were deck chairs. I reported this to my contact in Rootes and he explained it was where the "extra assembly workers" negotiated by the union spent their shift. It was an open secret which was not discussed. Similar at Dagenham, Brown's Lane (jaguar) and Longbridge. The unions aided and abetted by labour brought a great opportunity to export to its knees - the unions didn't read the writing. Neither did that coiffured fool scargil, who lead a once mighty mining industry to exactly where Mrs T wanted them. Why use British coal when energy could be bought from Germany Australia etc - and we still have vast coal reserves. So when local Colchester lads and lasses bemoan there are no vocational jobs in the town, we all know who to blame.[/p][/quote]Oh come on Angry ? I'm reading your comment with a wry smile on my face. Are you sure you're not quoting verbatim from an old edition of the Daily Mail? (circa 1974) Did you really find a secret room with a bed, a cooker. and a TV? Did you really find a secret roof area with deck chairs? (for sunbathing I presume). And who's this 'Red Ken Bloke?..Or did you mean 'RED ROBBO'? (Robinson) Either you live and die by the Daily Mail Bible.. Or are you telling PORKIES? 25414nora
  • Score: 6

10:26pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Angry of Lexden says...

25414nora wrote:
Angry of Lexden wrote:
25414nora wrote:
Nom De Plume wrote:
There is no end to talent and experience on this thread.
I welcome these remarks.
Successive governments of all colors have come in and played their own economic ideal in the name of growth and and trade commerce.
Someone got it wrong.
Someone got it wrong all right !!!! Mention no names, but her Tory lot became government in 1979/80.
Until then Colchester had Woods fans, employing around 1,400
Colchester Lathe - Paxman diesels - Sound Attenuators - Mysons - Gammets - Betts - Tex Abrasives - etc.
The UK had a Motor Manufacturing industry, we had North sea Oil and Gas. British Steel, Coal, Ship building etc.
Today we have been reduced to being a service industry nation.
Our workers are screwing knobs on foreign cars,
The French still have Peugeot, Renault, Citroen,
The Germans still have BMW, Volkswagen, Audi.
'Yes' Someone Got It WRONG all right !!!!
Yes Nora I agree, some one got it wrong. Specifically the British unions who didn't have the sense to see the writing on the walls of Europe. If you recall, masons, paxman, the lathe, woods, etc had strikes for this and that, which eroded confidence in the markets. I was involved with British leyland at the time as a supplier. It was horrendous, we would send a truck of product, only for it to be turned away at the gate because Red Ken had decided to flex his muscles over a who does what dispute. And meanwhile your friends peugeot, Citroën etc built a strong platform of sales in this country. I visited the Rootes group factory in Coventry. I was required to access the roof areas, in which I found a secret room complete with bed, TV, cooker and a door onto the roof itself, where there were deck chairs. I reported this to my contact in Rootes and he explained it was where the "extra assembly workers" negotiated by the union spent their shift. It was an open secret which was not discussed. Similar at Dagenham, Brown's Lane (jaguar) and Longbridge. The unions aided and abetted by labour brought a great opportunity to export to its knees - the unions didn't read the writing. Neither did that coiffured fool scargil, who lead a once mighty mining industry to exactly where Mrs T wanted them. Why use British coal when energy could be bought from Germany Australia etc - and we still have vast coal reserves. So when local Colchester lads and lasses bemoan there are no vocational jobs in the town, we all know who to blame.
Oh come on Angry ? I'm reading your comment with a wry smile on my face. Are you sure you're not quoting verbatim from an old edition of the Daily Mail? (circa 1974)
Did you really find a secret room with a bed, a cooker. and a TV?
Did you really find a secret roof area with deck chairs? (for sunbathing I presume).
And who's this 'Red Ken Bloke?..Or did you mean 'RED ROBBO'?
(Robinson)
Either you live and die by the Daily Mail Bible..
Or are you telling PORKIES?
Sorry Nora your right, I get confused some times these days. I was thinking red rob but typing my other favourite meglamaniac livingstone. Don't read the daily mail too tory. Do read the ft at weekends - a factual balanced newspaper in my opinion. And yes I really did find the room on the roof. It was a massive complex roof system with valley gutters about 6 wide which leaked. I was there to work out a repair sealant system. Stupid thing is to get to this level involved climbing vertical steel ladders with landings, which were visible from the factory floor. I also found a gear box and most of an engine!
[quote][p][bold]25414nora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry of Lexden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]25414nora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nom De Plume[/bold] wrote: There is no end to talent and experience on this thread. I welcome these remarks. Successive governments of all colors have come in and played their own economic ideal in the name of growth and and trade commerce. Someone got it wrong.[/p][/quote]Someone got it wrong all right !!!! Mention no names, but her Tory lot became government in 1979/80. Until then Colchester had Woods fans, employing around 1,400 Colchester Lathe - Paxman diesels - Sound Attenuators - Mysons - Gammets - Betts - Tex Abrasives - etc. The UK had a Motor Manufacturing industry, we had North sea Oil and Gas. British Steel, Coal, Ship building etc. Today we have been reduced to being a service industry nation. Our workers are screwing knobs on foreign cars, The French still have Peugeot, Renault, Citroen, The Germans still have BMW, Volkswagen, Audi. 'Yes' Someone Got It WRONG all right !!!![/p][/quote]Yes Nora I agree, some one got it wrong. Specifically the British unions who didn't have the sense to see the writing on the walls of Europe. If you recall, masons, paxman, the lathe, woods, etc had strikes for this and that, which eroded confidence in the markets. I was involved with British leyland at the time as a supplier. It was horrendous, we would send a truck of product, only for it to be turned away at the gate because Red Ken had decided to flex his muscles over a who does what dispute. And meanwhile your friends peugeot, Citroën etc built a strong platform of sales in this country. I visited the Rootes group factory in Coventry. I was required to access the roof areas, in which I found a secret room complete with bed, TV, cooker and a door onto the roof itself, where there were deck chairs. I reported this to my contact in Rootes and he explained it was where the "extra assembly workers" negotiated by the union spent their shift. It was an open secret which was not discussed. Similar at Dagenham, Brown's Lane (jaguar) and Longbridge. The unions aided and abetted by labour brought a great opportunity to export to its knees - the unions didn't read the writing. Neither did that coiffured fool scargil, who lead a once mighty mining industry to exactly where Mrs T wanted them. Why use British coal when energy could be bought from Germany Australia etc - and we still have vast coal reserves. So when local Colchester lads and lasses bemoan there are no vocational jobs in the town, we all know who to blame.[/p][/quote]Oh come on Angry ? I'm reading your comment with a wry smile on my face. Are you sure you're not quoting verbatim from an old edition of the Daily Mail? (circa 1974) Did you really find a secret room with a bed, a cooker. and a TV? Did you really find a secret roof area with deck chairs? (for sunbathing I presume). And who's this 'Red Ken Bloke?..Or did you mean 'RED ROBBO'? (Robinson) Either you live and die by the Daily Mail Bible.. Or are you telling PORKIES?[/p][/quote]Sorry Nora your right, I get confused some times these days. I was thinking red rob but typing my other favourite meglamaniac livingstone. Don't read the daily mail too tory. Do read the ft at weekends - a factual balanced newspaper in my opinion. And yes I really did find the room on the roof. It was a massive complex roof system with valley gutters about 6 wide which leaked. I was there to work out a repair sealant system. Stupid thing is to get to this level involved climbing vertical steel ladders with landings, which were visible from the factory floor. I also found a gear box and most of an engine! Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 4

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