A12 pledge: Ban on lorries overtaking and police patrols reinstated

Essex County Standard: A12 pledge: Ban on lorries overtaking and police patrols reinstated A12 pledge: Ban on lorries overtaking and police patrols reinstated

ESSEX County Council’s highways boss says it is time to bring back dedicated A12 police patrols.

Rodney Bass, county councillor responsible for transport, has admitted it was a mistake to scrap the patrols four years ago.

He has asked the Highways Agency to help with funding – and banning lorries overtaking from 6am to 8pm, installing “keep your distance” chevrons and putting up warning signs.

His call came after traffic was caught in five hours of tailbacks – stretching back 17 miles at its peak – after a seven-vehicle crash on the London-bound carriageway near Witham yesterday.

Mr Bass said: “I really think the patrols were very good. They served an excellent purpose and I am willing to commit some of the budget to fund it."

See today's Gazette for the full report. 

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10:49am Thu 26 Jun 14

SoundSense says...

Lets hope he does a U Turn on the decision to turn off the street lights as well !
Lets hope he does a U Turn on the decision to turn off the street lights as well ! SoundSense
  • Score: 7

11:06am Thu 26 Jun 14

donttellanyone says...

Not letting lorries overtake seems like a good idea but what happens if one gets stuck behind a car doing 40mph.
Not letting lorries overtake seems like a good idea but what happens if one gets stuck behind a car doing 40mph. donttellanyone
  • Score: 9

11:16am Thu 26 Jun 14

co2 says...

This coming from the clown responsible for the team that has allowed pot holes to spiral out of control across the county.
This coming from the clown responsible for the team that has allowed pot holes to spiral out of control across the county. co2
  • Score: 23

11:16am Thu 26 Jun 14

co2 says...

This coming from the clown responsible for the team that has allowed pot holes to spiral out of control across the county.
This coming from the clown responsible for the team that has allowed pot holes to spiral out of control across the county. co2
  • Score: 8

11:37am Thu 26 Jun 14

Lloyd George says...

donttellanyone wrote:
Not letting lorries overtake seems like a good idea but what happens if one gets stuck behind a car doing 40mph.
I agree with your sentiments not so much the car at 40mph but the regular incident of a Cadman Crane in the inside lane would cause a problem for trucks. Put the freight back on the railways would be a good idea but would need a network for that which was dismantled in 1964. BMW and Audi drivers using their mirrors and indicators would also assist others greatly.
[quote][p][bold]donttellanyone[/bold] wrote: Not letting lorries overtake seems like a good idea but what happens if one gets stuck behind a car doing 40mph.[/p][/quote]I agree with your sentiments not so much the car at 40mph but the regular incident of a Cadman Crane in the inside lane would cause a problem for trucks. Put the freight back on the railways would be a good idea but would need a network for that which was dismantled in 1964. BMW and Audi drivers using their mirrors and indicators would also assist others greatly. Lloyd George
  • Score: 19

11:38am Thu 26 Jun 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

donttellanyone wrote:
Not letting lorries overtake seems like a good idea but what happens if one gets stuck behind a car doing 40mph.
Totally agree there are some terrible car drivers who think 40 MPH is fast enough on a Trunk Road. So it's not always lorry drivers but some Heavy Goods drivers do spoil it for the majority because they know they haven't the power to get past slightly slower lorries quickly and consequently they take mile upon mile to complete the overtake and create a backlog.

Anyway all of this is just papering over the real problem that has been evident for years. The road is not fit for purpose and cannot manage the volume of traffic that uses it.
[quote][p][bold]donttellanyone[/bold] wrote: Not letting lorries overtake seems like a good idea but what happens if one gets stuck behind a car doing 40mph.[/p][/quote]Totally agree there are some terrible car drivers who think 40 MPH is fast enough on a Trunk Road. So it's not always lorry drivers but some Heavy Goods drivers do spoil it for the majority because they know they haven't the power to get past slightly slower lorries quickly and consequently they take mile upon mile to complete the overtake and create a backlog. Anyway all of this is just papering over the real problem that has been evident for years. The road is not fit for purpose and cannot manage the volume of traffic that uses it. Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: 15

12:18pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Carlosfandangles says...

I think there has to be a hint of realism - they are not going to suddenly magic up the cash to make it a motorway from Colchester to the M25....the road is fundamentally ok but they need to sort out the choke points. This solution would cost a considerable amount less.
EG what clown altered the junction on Witham North (Northbound) so that instead of a constant flow of traffic, the traffic lights bunch them up as they try to join the A12 but there is no room so the concertina effect causes tailbacks for hundreds of cars on the A12 due to 3 or 4 trying to join. - Madness.
Same junction but on the other side of the road - cars joining southbound cause a choke point and more often than not, they drive 100 yds and then drop off into Witham - either build a new road around the back of the house that fronts the A12 southbound or compulsory purchase it and create a slip road for the full length a la Spring Lane.
Its the choke points that give rise to the potential for accidents - speed and lack of concentration of course cause the accidents but simple remedies will alleviate the possibilities. The accidents very rarely happen at the actual junction that has caused the problem but a distance back.
Take a hard look at the causes of choke points (and their eventual cause potentially miles back) before any money is committed.
I think there has to be a hint of realism - they are not going to suddenly magic up the cash to make it a motorway from Colchester to the M25....the road is fundamentally ok but they need to sort out the choke points. This solution would cost a considerable amount less. EG what clown altered the junction on Witham North (Northbound) so that instead of a constant flow of traffic, the traffic lights bunch them up as they try to join the A12 but there is no room so the concertina effect causes tailbacks for hundreds of cars on the A12 due to 3 or 4 trying to join. - Madness. Same junction but on the other side of the road - cars joining southbound cause a choke point and more often than not, they drive 100 yds and then drop off into Witham - either build a new road around the back of the house that fronts the A12 southbound or compulsory purchase it and create a slip road for the full length a la Spring Lane. Its the choke points that give rise to the potential for accidents - speed and lack of concentration of course cause the accidents but simple remedies will alleviate the possibilities. The accidents very rarely happen at the actual junction that has caused the problem but a distance back. Take a hard look at the causes of choke points (and their eventual cause potentially miles back) before any money is committed. Carlosfandangles
  • Score: 2

12:18pm Thu 26 Jun 14

romantic says...

donttellanyone wrote:
Not letting lorries overtake seems like a good idea but what happens if one gets stuck behind a car doing 40mph.
Or indeed behind another lorry which can only do 48 mph. The result would be a huge line of trucks going along at the speed of the lowest - if anything, a more impenetrable barrier for anybody attempting to join from a slip road.

Speed limit of 50 mph during peak times, yes. Chevrons to mark out proper gaps, yes. More signs saying keep your distance, yes. Banning overtaking my trucks, no, not unless there are 3-lane sections in which trucks are restricted to the 2 inside lanes. Problem is, where could they be built? Upgrading to 3 lanes for the length of the A12 would be a major undertaking lasting several years and costing a large amount of money, during which time there would be big queues every day. But the experience around the world is that such a scheme would only solve the problem for a few years before the traffic grows again. The real solution is to get more people using public transport, with fares such that more people see it as a viable alternative to driving.
[quote][p][bold]donttellanyone[/bold] wrote: Not letting lorries overtake seems like a good idea but what happens if one gets stuck behind a car doing 40mph.[/p][/quote]Or indeed behind another lorry which can only do 48 mph. The result would be a huge line of trucks going along at the speed of the lowest - if anything, a more impenetrable barrier for anybody attempting to join from a slip road. Speed limit of 50 mph during peak times, yes. Chevrons to mark out proper gaps, yes. More signs saying keep your distance, yes. Banning overtaking my trucks, no, not unless there are 3-lane sections in which trucks are restricted to the 2 inside lanes. Problem is, where could they be built? Upgrading to 3 lanes for the length of the A12 would be a major undertaking lasting several years and costing a large amount of money, during which time there would be big queues every day. But the experience around the world is that such a scheme would only solve the problem for a few years before the traffic grows again. The real solution is to get more people using public transport, with fares such that more people see it as a viable alternative to driving. romantic
  • Score: -1

12:18pm Thu 26 Jun 14

The Stinker Returns says...

You'll never stop the people who drive like idiots on the A12. There are certain parts of the section I regularly use which causes regular problems. The ridiculously short slip roads at Rivenhall. The "fast" slip roads that bring vehicles speeding into the middle lane giving drivers already there nowhere to go. People not realising they're on a slip road until the very last minute. Losing the outside lane at Ingatestone.
You'll never stop the people who drive like idiots on the A12. There are certain parts of the section I regularly use which causes regular problems. The ridiculously short slip roads at Rivenhall. The "fast" slip roads that bring vehicles speeding into the middle lane giving drivers already there nowhere to go. People not realising they're on a slip road until the very last minute. Losing the outside lane at Ingatestone. The Stinker Returns
  • Score: 10

1:43pm Thu 26 Jun 14

greenbroker says...

The Stinker Returns wrote:
You'll never stop the people who drive like idiots on the A12. There are certain parts of the section I regularly use which causes regular problems. The ridiculously short slip roads at Rivenhall. The "fast" slip roads that bring vehicles speeding into the middle lane giving drivers already there nowhere to go. People not realising they're on a slip road until the very last minute. Losing the outside lane at Ingatestone.
The short slip road at Rivenhall is because the authorities did not want to pay the cost of shifting BT plant at the time I do believe. That's planning for you.
[quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: You'll never stop the people who drive like idiots on the A12. There are certain parts of the section I regularly use which causes regular problems. The ridiculously short slip roads at Rivenhall. The "fast" slip roads that bring vehicles speeding into the middle lane giving drivers already there nowhere to go. People not realising they're on a slip road until the very last minute. Losing the outside lane at Ingatestone.[/p][/quote]The short slip road at Rivenhall is because the authorities did not want to pay the cost of shifting BT plant at the time I do believe. That's planning for you. greenbroker
  • Score: 4

2:00pm Thu 26 Jun 14

sam vines says...

Cant see an overtaking ban working as it will be impossible to enforce due to the lack of police. The majority of HGV's using the A12 do not have a UK number plate so video or photographic evidence will be useless as it cost more to track the owners. A possible solution could be a ban on all HGV's at peak times on the A12, easier to enforce as the police, DVSA and highway agency could station a check point at Harwich and Felixstowe and hold HVGs who are likely to be on the A12 at peak time. The M25 has plenty of display screens so the HGV peak time ban can be clearly displayed for HGVs heading towards the A12 and a check point at Jct 28 to issue fines to those who choose to ignore the warnings.
Cant see an overtaking ban working as it will be impossible to enforce due to the lack of police. The majority of HGV's using the A12 do not have a UK number plate so video or photographic evidence will be useless as it cost more to track the owners. A possible solution could be a ban on all HGV's at peak times on the A12, easier to enforce as the police, DVSA and highway agency could station a check point at Harwich and Felixstowe and hold HVGs who are likely to be on the A12 at peak time. The M25 has plenty of display screens so the HGV peak time ban can be clearly displayed for HGVs heading towards the A12 and a check point at Jct 28 to issue fines to those who choose to ignore the warnings. sam vines
  • Score: 4

2:05pm Thu 26 Jun 14

mirokou says...

Lack of lane discipline is the issue that causes 99.9% of all the problems..Middle lane hoggers outside lane hoggers, an inability to return to the nearside when not overtaking and too many self appointed "Captains of the road" Yes the limit is 70 but if someone wants to go 80 it is not for you to impede their journey,thats the role of the Police..
Lack of lane discipline is the issue that causes 99.9% of all the problems..Middle lane hoggers outside lane hoggers, an inability to return to the nearside when not overtaking and too many self appointed "Captains of the road" Yes the limit is 70 but if someone wants to go 80 it is not for you to impede their journey,thats the role of the Police.. mirokou
  • Score: 4

5:48pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Ritchie_Hicks says...

The A12 just isn't big enough in place to properly handle the traffic using it. Some stretches (such as Rivenhall and sections of the Witham bypass) are far too narrow with little or no hard shoulder and some of the slip roads are far too short.

Investment is needed in the infrastructure with a 20 year+ plan. Adding a few police patrols isn't the long term answer.
The A12 just isn't big enough in place to properly handle the traffic using it. Some stretches (such as Rivenhall and sections of the Witham bypass) are far too narrow with little or no hard shoulder and some of the slip roads are far too short. Investment is needed in the infrastructure with a 20 year+ plan. Adding a few police patrols isn't the long term answer. Ritchie_Hicks
  • Score: 5

9:19am Fri 27 Jun 14

romantic says...

sam vines wrote:
Cant see an overtaking ban working as it will be impossible to enforce due to the lack of police. The majority of HGV's using the A12 do not have a UK number plate so video or photographic evidence will be useless as it cost more to track the owners. A possible solution could be a ban on all HGV's at peak times on the A12, easier to enforce as the police, DVSA and highway agency could station a check point at Harwich and Felixstowe and hold HVGs who are likely to be on the A12 at peak time. The M25 has plenty of display screens so the HGV peak time ban can be clearly displayed for HGVs heading towards the A12 and a check point at Jct 28 to issue fines to those who choose to ignore the warnings.
HGVs are not the problem! A lot of haulage companies try to time their runs to avoid peak times on the busiest roads, because time sat in traffic is money down the drain! Under your plan, where are all these HGVs supposed to wait until peak time is over? Sit on the side of the road in Harwich? Block a lane of the A14 at Felixstowe? Or the other end, they come off the M25, head for the A12 and are not allowed on: what should they do? Sit on Brook St roundabout? Park up in Brentwood? Go up and down the M25 a few times?

When there are delays, they are caused by crashes, most of which involve cars being too close to the one in front, or at slip roads.

You could empty the A12 of HGVs, but if somebody crashes, you would still get the same delays. HGVs are not the primary cause of delays. They might slow you down for a couple of minutes while overtaking, but they are not normally the cause of jams.
[quote][p][bold]sam vines[/bold] wrote: Cant see an overtaking ban working as it will be impossible to enforce due to the lack of police. The majority of HGV's using the A12 do not have a UK number plate so video or photographic evidence will be useless as it cost more to track the owners. A possible solution could be a ban on all HGV's at peak times on the A12, easier to enforce as the police, DVSA and highway agency could station a check point at Harwich and Felixstowe and hold HVGs who are likely to be on the A12 at peak time. The M25 has plenty of display screens so the HGV peak time ban can be clearly displayed for HGVs heading towards the A12 and a check point at Jct 28 to issue fines to those who choose to ignore the warnings.[/p][/quote]HGVs are not the problem! A lot of haulage companies try to time their runs to avoid peak times on the busiest roads, because time sat in traffic is money down the drain! Under your plan, where are all these HGVs supposed to wait until peak time is over? Sit on the side of the road in Harwich? Block a lane of the A14 at Felixstowe? Or the other end, they come off the M25, head for the A12 and are not allowed on: what should they do? Sit on Brook St roundabout? Park up in Brentwood? Go up and down the M25 a few times? When there are delays, they are caused by crashes, most of which involve cars being too close to the one in front, or at slip roads. You could empty the A12 of HGVs, but if somebody crashes, you would still get the same delays. HGVs are not the primary cause of delays. They might slow you down for a couple of minutes while overtaking, but they are not normally the cause of jams. romantic
  • Score: -4

10:14am Fri 27 Jun 14

998dave says...

donttellanyone wrote:
Not letting lorries overtake seems like a good idea but what happens if one gets stuck behind a car doing 40mph.
I'd suggest wording the rules to say lorries not allowed in the overtaking lane, (the lane nearest the central reservation), this would permit them to pass between Remembrance Avenue and Marks Tey and Hatfield Peveral to Boreham.

"not unless there are 3-lane sections in which trucks are restricted to the 2 inside lanes."

I believe the law already states that articulated lorries are not permitted in the outside lane of a 3 lane carriageway.

Finally getting some police on the A12 is a good idea, I've seen a couple f speed camera patrols recently, this seems like a good idea for peak times to ensure people are driving sensibly.
[quote][p][bold]donttellanyone[/bold] wrote: Not letting lorries overtake seems like a good idea but what happens if one gets stuck behind a car doing 40mph.[/p][/quote]I'd suggest wording the rules to say lorries not allowed in the overtaking lane, (the lane nearest the central reservation), this would permit them to pass between Remembrance Avenue and Marks Tey and Hatfield Peveral to Boreham. "not unless there are 3-lane sections in which trucks are restricted to the 2 inside lanes." I believe the law already states that articulated lorries are not permitted in the outside lane of a 3 lane carriageway. Finally getting some police on the A12 is a good idea, I've seen a couple f speed camera patrols recently, this seems like a good idea for peak times to ensure people are driving sensibly. 998dave
  • Score: 1

6:19pm Fri 27 Jun 14

twoscompany says...

Who the hell does he think he is ?

What a bloody comedian ! the lorries pay for the roads the cars barely pay for the white lines with the little car tax that pay .

We are here to do work , not here for the fun of it ,, if anything it should be the other way round .

The problem is caused by the imbeciles who keep allowing more and more houses to be built along the A12 corridor , the Mickey Mouse wages in this area won't supply the money to pay the mortgages so ,, on the A12 they all go toward London area to pay for they're houses .

M12 all 3 lanes of it first ,, then build all your houses ,, oh no silly me I,m talking logically now ,, mind I have been a lorry driver all my life .

While I am at it to all you dumbo,s in cars as I am approaching a roundabout on a dual carriageway that gap I have in front of me is what I need and have allowed to brake this amount of weight in , not for you impatient plebs to overtake and pull in front of !!
Who the hell does he think he is ? What a bloody comedian ! the lorries pay for the roads the cars barely pay for the white lines with the little car tax that pay . We are here to do work , not here for the fun of it ,, if anything it should be the other way round . The problem is caused by the imbeciles who keep allowing more and more houses to be built along the A12 corridor , the Mickey Mouse wages in this area won't supply the money to pay the mortgages so ,, on the A12 they all go toward London area to pay for they're houses . M12 all 3 lanes of it first ,, then build all your houses ,, oh no silly me I,m talking logically now ,, mind I have been a lorry driver all my life . While I am at it to all you dumbo,s in cars as I am approaching a roundabout on a dual carriageway that gap I have in front of me is what I need and have allowed to brake this amount of weight in , not for you impatient plebs to overtake and pull in front of !! twoscompany
  • Score: -2

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