Residents call for street lights switch-off re-think as community seeks safety assurance

Essex County Standard: Residents calls for street lights switch-off re-think as community seeks safety assurance Residents calls for street lights switch-off re-think as community seeks safety assurance

COLCHESTER residents say they are so worried for their safety, street lights must be turned back on.

In November, 70 per cent of street lights across the borough were switched off by Essex County Council between midnight and 5am to save £130,000 a year.

But after two knife murders in three months, residents say they need reassurance in darkness.

Two petitions have been set up calling on Essex Highways chief Rodney Bass to put the lights back on.

Rev Martin Pierce, of Greenstead Evangelical Free Church, in Magnolia Drive, said: “People need reassurance.

“The perpetrator or perpetrators are still out there and anything that will add to people’s security must be done.”

He added: “There is certainly a sense of shock in Greenstead still.

“It has been very noticeable in the evenings.

“The weather has been good and usually, there would be people around, but there aren’t and the people who are out seem to have a very specific reason, whether it’s going to the shop or to a friend’s house.

“I think what the county council needs to remember is it could literally be anyone next.”

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5:01pm Mon 23 Jun 14

gizabreak says...

In recent communication with a member of Colchester council requesting the lighting switched back on....this morning Mr Rodney Bass responded with a very abrupt answer. "No we will not ". End of email. This man obviously considers himself above recourse and forgets that he is a public servant and should be held to account for his actions. Disgusting man !!!!
In recent communication with a member of Colchester council requesting the lighting switched back on....this morning Mr Rodney Bass responded with a very abrupt answer. "No we will not ". End of email. This man obviously considers himself above recourse and forgets that he is a public servant and should be held to account for his actions. Disgusting man !!!! gizabreak
  • Score: 20

5:07pm Mon 23 Jun 14

gizabreak says...

gizabreak wrote:
In recent communication with a member of Colchester council requesting the lighting switched back on....this morning Mr Rodney Bass responded with a very abrupt answer. "No we will not ". End of email. This man obviously considers himself above recourse and forgets that he is a public servant and should be held to account for his actions. Disgusting man !!!!
His wage packet comes from our pockets....come on Sir Bob stick up for your people on this one surely you can call this man to task or raise concerns about his conduct
[quote][p][bold]gizabreak[/bold] wrote: In recent communication with a member of Colchester council requesting the lighting switched back on....this morning Mr Rodney Bass responded with a very abrupt answer. "No we will not ". End of email. This man obviously considers himself above recourse and forgets that he is a public servant and should be held to account for his actions. Disgusting man !!!![/p][/quote]His wage packet comes from our pockets....come on Sir Bob stick up for your people on this one surely you can call this man to task or raise concerns about his conduct gizabreak
  • Score: 15

5:22pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Route88 says...

gizabreak wrote:
In recent communication with a member of Colchester council requesting the lighting switched back on....this morning Mr Rodney Bass responded with a very abrupt answer. "No we will not ". End of email. This man obviously considers himself above recourse and forgets that he is a public servant and should be held to account for his actions. Disgusting man !!!!
I absolutely agree with you. The term 'public servant' is rather an odd one because in reality, they are anything but servants. We pay them lots of money and in many cases, they reach decisions which go against the wishes of their 'masters' (AKA us mugs)!
Written in haste but I hope it makes sense!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]gizabreak[/bold] wrote: In recent communication with a member of Colchester council requesting the lighting switched back on....this morning Mr Rodney Bass responded with a very abrupt answer. "No we will not ". End of email. This man obviously considers himself above recourse and forgets that he is a public servant and should be held to account for his actions. Disgusting man !!!![/p][/quote]I absolutely agree with you. The term 'public servant' is rather an odd one because in reality, they are anything but servants. We pay them lots of money and in many cases, they reach decisions which go against the wishes of their 'masters' (AKA us mugs)! Written in haste but I hope it makes sense!!!!! Route88
  • Score: 23

5:22pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Shoosh1905 says...

gizabreak wrote:
In recent communication with a member of Colchester council requesting the lighting switched back on....this morning Mr Rodney Bass responded with a very abrupt answer. "No we will not ". End of email. This man obviously considers himself above recourse and forgets that he is a public servant and should be held to account for his actions. Disgusting man !!!!
I hope you still have that mail? Post it to the forum, or give it to the Gazette, I'm sure they would be happy to post any arrogant replies and hold those responsible accountable? People are dying because of this policy and simply shutting off the debate when we pay for these services is unacceptable.
[quote][p][bold]gizabreak[/bold] wrote: In recent communication with a member of Colchester council requesting the lighting switched back on....this morning Mr Rodney Bass responded with a very abrupt answer. "No we will not ". End of email. This man obviously considers himself above recourse and forgets that he is a public servant and should be held to account for his actions. Disgusting man !!!![/p][/quote]I hope you still have that mail? Post it to the forum, or give it to the Gazette, I'm sure they would be happy to post any arrogant replies and hold those responsible accountable? People are dying because of this policy and simply shutting off the debate when we pay for these services is unacceptable. Shoosh1905
  • Score: 14

5:28pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Shoosh1905 says...

I fully understand that we need to save money or raise taxes however compromising on residents safety is not the area where we should be looking to save?
Maybe we should start looking at the overinflated Gold plated pensions and salaries these so called public servants receive who make decisions which effect ordinary peoples lives.
£130K a year is probably one senior manager?

On a constructive note I don't understand why we aren't fitting new lights with motions sensors to detect when they need to be used and when they don't street lighting was introduced into Victorian London to reduce crime rates and it seems that we have gone back in time to protect the bloated and overpaid public sector staff.
I fully understand that we need to save money or raise taxes however compromising on residents safety is not the area where we should be looking to save? Maybe we should start looking at the overinflated Gold plated pensions and salaries these so called public servants receive who make decisions which effect ordinary peoples lives. £130K a year is probably one senior manager? On a constructive note I don't understand why we aren't fitting new lights with motions sensors to detect when they need to be used and when they don't street lighting was introduced into Victorian London to reduce crime rates and it seems that we have gone back in time to protect the bloated and overpaid public sector staff. Shoosh1905
  • Score: 10

5:40pm Mon 23 Jun 14

greenbroker says...

What would you all do if you lived in areas of the Colchester Borough where there is NO street lighting?
What would you all do if you lived in areas of the Colchester Borough where there is NO street lighting? greenbroker
  • Score: -5

5:40pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Snowthorne says...

If all the Councilors refusing to put the lights back on lived in our streets then they might feel different.
While they live in their expensive properties with their own lights outside & drive-in garages then they will never understand that even if crimes are still committed when streets are lit, there is much more chance of the criminals either being seen or caught.
Till then they will continue to not care about the rest of us!!
If all the Councilors refusing to put the lights back on lived in our streets then they might feel different. While they live in their expensive properties with their own lights outside & drive-in garages then they will never understand that even if crimes are still committed when streets are lit, there is much more chance of the criminals either being seen or caught. Till then they will continue to not care about the rest of us!! Snowthorne
  • Score: 9

5:51pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

gizabreak wrote:
gizabreak wrote:
In recent communication with a member of Colchester council requesting the lighting switched back on....this morning Mr Rodney Bass responded with a very abrupt answer. "No we will not ". End of email. This man obviously considers himself above recourse and forgets that he is a public servant and should be held to account for his actions. Disgusting man !!!!
His wage packet comes from our pockets....come on Sir Bob stick up for your people on this one surely you can call this man to task or raise concerns about his conduct
Do you really think Bob Russell will help? Amazing how quiet he's been, particularly on defending his position on objecting to stiffer penalties for knife carrying criminals.

Of course if the street lights are turned back on he will come out and claim the credit!
[quote][p][bold]gizabreak[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gizabreak[/bold] wrote: In recent communication with a member of Colchester council requesting the lighting switched back on....this morning Mr Rodney Bass responded with a very abrupt answer. "No we will not ". End of email. This man obviously considers himself above recourse and forgets that he is a public servant and should be held to account for his actions. Disgusting man !!!![/p][/quote]His wage packet comes from our pockets....come on Sir Bob stick up for your people on this one surely you can call this man to task or raise concerns about his conduct[/p][/quote]Do you really think Bob Russell will help? Amazing how quiet he's been, particularly on defending his position on objecting to stiffer penalties for knife carrying criminals. Of course if the street lights are turned back on he will come out and claim the credit! Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: 8

5:51pm Mon 23 Jun 14

afafaf says...

Why should I as a tax payer living in the country - where there is no street lighting (and i wouldn't want it anyway) have to subsidise those living in a town who want 24 hour a day "daylight". If you are that afraid of the dark buy a torch! Good luck to those public servants attempting to cut citizens' tax bills, I for one am fully behind you!
Why should I as a tax payer living in the country - where there is no street lighting (and i wouldn't want it anyway) have to subsidise those living in a town who want 24 hour a day "daylight". If you are that afraid of the dark buy a torch! Good luck to those public servants attempting to cut citizens' tax bills, I for one am fully behind you! afafaf
  • Score: -19

6:20pm Mon 23 Jun 14

YesIAm says...

afafaf wrote:
Why should I as a tax payer living in the country - where there is no street lighting (and i wouldn't want it anyway) have to subsidise those living in a town who want 24 hour a day "daylight". If you are that afraid of the dark buy a torch! Good luck to those public servants attempting to cut citizens' tax bills, I for one am fully behind you!
Here here, street lights like many other things were introduced by the government with money we didn't have to provide a service we didn't need. We are paying for that stupidity with the austerity cuts now.
I come from a part of the country where we had no streetlights and we took torches out with us...there no big effort in it.

To those calling for streetlights being switched on again due to these murders, I can understand the worry it might cause people but at least one was committed in daylight...how much safer do you think you would be with lights on?! These things are completely separate issues.
[quote][p][bold]afafaf[/bold] wrote: Why should I as a tax payer living in the country - where there is no street lighting (and i wouldn't want it anyway) have to subsidise those living in a town who want 24 hour a day "daylight". If you are that afraid of the dark buy a torch! Good luck to those public servants attempting to cut citizens' tax bills, I for one am fully behind you![/p][/quote]Here here, street lights like many other things were introduced by the government with money we didn't have to provide a service we didn't need. We are paying for that stupidity with the austerity cuts now. I come from a part of the country where we had no streetlights and we took torches out with us...there no big effort in it. To those calling for streetlights being switched on again due to these murders, I can understand the worry it might cause people but at least one was committed in daylight...how much safer do you think you would be with lights on?! These things are completely separate issues. YesIAm
  • Score: 0

6:35pm Mon 23 Jun 14

MaryPoppins87 says...

afafaf wrote:
Why should I as a tax payer living in the country - where there is no street lighting (and i wouldn't want it anyway) have to subsidise those living in a town who want 24 hour a day "daylight". If you are that afraid of the dark buy a torch! Good luck to those public servants attempting to cut citizens' tax bills, I for one am fully behind you!
Ignorant fool.
[quote][p][bold]afafaf[/bold] wrote: Why should I as a tax payer living in the country - where there is no street lighting (and i wouldn't want it anyway) have to subsidise those living in a town who want 24 hour a day "daylight". If you are that afraid of the dark buy a torch! Good luck to those public servants attempting to cut citizens' tax bills, I for one am fully behind you![/p][/quote]Ignorant fool. MaryPoppins87
  • Score: 13

6:51pm Mon 23 Jun 14

SAndrewss says...

So it costs £130,000 a year to keep the lights on.

In mid 2012 the population of Colchester was around the 175,000 mark.

A ridiculously simple solution would be to increase Council Tax by two or the pounds over a whole year. Or make cuts elsewhere.
So it costs £130,000 a year to keep the lights on. In mid 2012 the population of Colchester was around the 175,000 mark. A ridiculously simple solution would be to increase Council Tax by two or the pounds over a whole year. Or make cuts elsewhere. SAndrewss
  • Score: 18

6:55pm Mon 23 Jun 14

gizabreak says...

I may be wrong here but doesn't your council tax respond to the amenities you have ie: street lighting police etc. as for the savings this would generate I did enquire as to whether this would be given back in a reduction in council tax and was told that any revenue generated from this would be used for other things and NOT for reducing council tax.
I may be wrong here but doesn't your council tax respond to the amenities you have ie: street lighting police etc. as for the savings this would generate I did enquire as to whether this would be given back in a reduction in council tax and was told that any revenue generated from this would be used for other things and NOT for reducing council tax. gizabreak
  • Score: 4

7:40pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Citizen 139 says...

gizabreak wrote:
In recent communication with a member of Colchester council requesting the lighting switched back on....this morning Mr Rodney Bass responded with a very abrupt answer. "No we will not ". End of email. This man obviously considers himself above recourse and forgets that he is a public servant and should be held to account for his actions. Disgusting man !!!!
Please screenshot it, post it on twitter or dropbox and share link. It's material like that which can lose someone their job!
[quote][p][bold]gizabreak[/bold] wrote: In recent communication with a member of Colchester council requesting the lighting switched back on....this morning Mr Rodney Bass responded with a very abrupt answer. "No we will not ". End of email. This man obviously considers himself above recourse and forgets that he is a public servant and should be held to account for his actions. Disgusting man !!!![/p][/quote]Please screenshot it, post it on twitter or dropbox and share link. It's material like that which can lose someone their job! Citizen 139
  • Score: 1

7:51pm Mon 23 Jun 14

co2 says...

If one life was saved,one citizen not mugged or beaten,not one woman sexually assaulted the 130k would be cheap at that price.
As a father i worry for my teenaged daughter,i worry for all the decent people of colchester being put at risk for what is a small sum,put my council tax up £10 a year,20p a week for peace of mind is worth the price.
If one life was saved,one citizen not mugged or beaten,not one woman sexually assaulted the 130k would be cheap at that price. As a father i worry for my teenaged daughter,i worry for all the decent people of colchester being put at risk for what is a small sum,put my council tax up £10 a year,20p a week for peace of mind is worth the price. co2
  • Score: 16

8:26pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Shoosh1905 says...

Citizen 139 wrote:
gizabreak wrote:
In recent communication with a member of Colchester council requesting the lighting switched back on....this morning Mr Rodney Bass responded with a very abrupt answer. "No we will not ". End of email. This man obviously considers himself above recourse and forgets that he is a public servant and should be held to account for his actions. Disgusting man !!!!
Please screenshot it, post it on twitter or dropbox and share link. It's material like that which can lose someone their job!
He clearly doesn't have that mail it was just a mindless post as I asked the exact same thing.
Please prove me wrong and I will happily apologise.
[quote][p][bold]Citizen 139[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gizabreak[/bold] wrote: In recent communication with a member of Colchester council requesting the lighting switched back on....this morning Mr Rodney Bass responded with a very abrupt answer. "No we will not ". End of email. This man obviously considers himself above recourse and forgets that he is a public servant and should be held to account for his actions. Disgusting man !!!![/p][/quote]Please screenshot it, post it on twitter or dropbox and share link. It's material like that which can lose someone their job![/p][/quote]He clearly doesn't have that mail it was just a mindless post as I asked the exact same thing. Please prove me wrong and I will happily apologise. Shoosh1905
  • Score: -5

8:51pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Angry of Lexden says...

greenbroker wrote:
What would you all do if you lived in areas of the Colchester Borough where there is NO street lighting?
Move.
[quote][p][bold]greenbroker[/bold] wrote: What would you all do if you lived in areas of the Colchester Borough where there is NO street lighting?[/p][/quote]Move. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 1

8:57pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Angry of Lexden says...

YesIAm wrote:
afafaf wrote:
Why should I as a tax payer living in the country - where there is no street lighting (and i wouldn't want it anyway) have to subsidise those living in a town who want 24 hour a day "daylight". If you are that afraid of the dark buy a torch! Good luck to those public servants attempting to cut citizens' tax bills, I for one am fully behind you!
Here here, street lights like many other things were introduced by the government with money we didn't have to provide a service we didn't need. We are paying for that stupidity with the austerity cuts now.
I come from a part of the country where we had no streetlights and we took torches out with us...there no big effort in it.

To those calling for streetlights being switched on again due to these murders, I can understand the worry it might cause people but at least one was committed in daylight...how much safer do you think you would be with lights on?! These things are completely separate issues.
Yes I am - Bet you have to change hands a lot - but at least you admit you are one!
[quote][p][bold]YesIAm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afafaf[/bold] wrote: Why should I as a tax payer living in the country - where there is no street lighting (and i wouldn't want it anyway) have to subsidise those living in a town who want 24 hour a day "daylight". If you are that afraid of the dark buy a torch! Good luck to those public servants attempting to cut citizens' tax bills, I for one am fully behind you![/p][/quote]Here here, street lights like many other things were introduced by the government with money we didn't have to provide a service we didn't need. We are paying for that stupidity with the austerity cuts now. I come from a part of the country where we had no streetlights and we took torches out with us...there no big effort in it. To those calling for streetlights being switched on again due to these murders, I can understand the worry it might cause people but at least one was committed in daylight...how much safer do you think you would be with lights on?! These things are completely separate issues.[/p][/quote]Yes I am - Bet you have to change hands a lot - but at least you admit you are one! Angry of Lexden
  • Score: -7

9:08pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Angry of Lexden says...

co2 wrote:
If one life was saved,one citizen not mugged or beaten,not one woman sexually assaulted the 130k would be cheap at that price.
As a father i worry for my teenaged daughter,i worry for all the decent people of colchester being put at risk for what is a small sum,put my council tax up £10 a year,20p a week for peace of mind is worth the price.
I agree with you CO2. I have three girls and plus three boys. I'm terrified for them all. I think the Colchester population is about 160k - divided into £130k is a tiny amount per head. Put it into perspective there is a husband and wife team of councillors in the town who I believe gross about £80k between them!
[quote][p][bold]co2[/bold] wrote: If one life was saved,one citizen not mugged or beaten,not one woman sexually assaulted the 130k would be cheap at that price. As a father i worry for my teenaged daughter,i worry for all the decent people of colchester being put at risk for what is a small sum,put my council tax up £10 a year,20p a week for peace of mind is worth the price.[/p][/quote]I agree with you CO2. I have three girls and plus three boys. I'm terrified for them all. I think the Colchester population is about 160k - divided into £130k is a tiny amount per head. Put it into perspective there is a husband and wife team of councillors in the town who I believe gross about £80k between them! Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 7

9:26pm Mon 23 Jun 14

gizabreak says...

Shoosh1905 wrote:
Citizen 139 wrote:
gizabreak wrote:
In recent communication with a member of Colchester council requesting the lighting switched back on....this morning Mr Rodney Bass responded with a very abrupt answer. "No we will not ". End of email. This man obviously considers himself above recourse and forgets that he is a public servant and should be held to account for his actions. Disgusting man !!!!
Please screenshot it, post it on twitter or dropbox and share link. It's material like that which can lose someone their job!
He clearly doesn't have that mail it was just a mindless post as I asked the exact same thing.
Please prove me wrong and I will happily apologise.
With all due respect I do have the email as I was cc'd into it with the councillor who sent the request. I would consider that due to the disgusting way in which Cllr Bass responded, I have passed this over to a dept which can far better pursue this than a local paper or by scoring cheap points on a Facebook page. I'm sure that those dealing with it will make sure it is made public when it is possible to do so. As I was so abhorred that a public servant could respond in such a way and as the man has shown huge arrogance in this matter I would like it to have the greatest impact on him. I apologise if you consider this the wrong way to go but I believe he should be shown for what he is ...an arrogant man, who refuses to listen to the people he works for yet benefits from the position he holds.
[quote][p][bold]Shoosh1905[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Citizen 139[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gizabreak[/bold] wrote: In recent communication with a member of Colchester council requesting the lighting switched back on....this morning Mr Rodney Bass responded with a very abrupt answer. "No we will not ". End of email. This man obviously considers himself above recourse and forgets that he is a public servant and should be held to account for his actions. Disgusting man !!!![/p][/quote]Please screenshot it, post it on twitter or dropbox and share link. It's material like that which can lose someone their job![/p][/quote]He clearly doesn't have that mail it was just a mindless post as I asked the exact same thing. Please prove me wrong and I will happily apologise.[/p][/quote]With all due respect I do have the email as I was cc'd into it with the councillor who sent the request. I would consider that due to the disgusting way in which Cllr Bass responded, I have passed this over to a dept which can far better pursue this than a local paper or by scoring cheap points on a Facebook page. I'm sure that those dealing with it will make sure it is made public when it is possible to do so. As I was so abhorred that a public servant could respond in such a way and as the man has shown huge arrogance in this matter I would like it to have the greatest impact on him. I apologise if you consider this the wrong way to go but I believe he should be shown for what he is ...an arrogant man, who refuses to listen to the people he works for yet benefits from the position he holds. gizabreak
  • Score: 5

9:54pm Mon 23 Jun 14

25414nora says...

Instead of crossing swords with each other on these lines. Why not compromise, it cant be beyond science or human logic to come up with the idea to leave alternative street lights ON. 'Thus' there will still be a saving, without the stark blackness in the streets after midnight.
Maybe go a bit further and keep isolated paths and alleyways like adjacent to castle park and short cuts in housing estates continuously well lit after dark.
Instead of crossing swords with each other on these lines. Why not compromise, it cant be beyond science or human logic to come up with the idea to leave alternative street lights ON. 'Thus' there will still be a saving, without the stark blackness in the streets after midnight. Maybe go a bit further and keep isolated paths and alleyways like adjacent to castle park and short cuts in housing estates continuously well lit after dark. 25414nora
  • Score: 18

10:13pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Angry of Lexden says...

By the way, the lights where I live seem to be on after midnight. Also, met two police officers on foot patrol, brought in from suffolk. Thanks whoever arranged that.
By the way, the lights where I live seem to be on after midnight. Also, met two police officers on foot patrol, brought in from suffolk. Thanks whoever arranged that. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 7

10:40pm Mon 23 Jun 14

interchangeable says...

Street lights have been on all night at Greenstead since the latest murder.....surely a case of shutting the gate after the horse has gone?
Street lights have been on all night at Greenstead since the latest murder.....surely a case of shutting the gate after the horse has gone? interchangeable
  • Score: 3

10:44pm Mon 23 Jun 14

jut1972 says...

Is Cllr Bass' area turned off after midnight?
Is Cllr Bass' area turned off after midnight? jut1972
  • Score: 5

11:05pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Angry of Lexden says...

Angry of Lexden wrote:
co2 wrote:
If one life was saved,one citizen not mugged or beaten,not one woman sexually assaulted the 130k would be cheap at that price.
As a father i worry for my teenaged daughter,i worry for all the decent people of colchester being put at risk for what is a small sum,put my council tax up £10 a year,20p a week for peace of mind is worth the price.
I agree with you CO2. I have three girls and plus three boys. I'm terrified for them all. I think the Colchester population is about 160k - divided into £130k is a tiny amount per head. Put it into perspective there is a husband and wife team of councillors in the town who I believe gross about £80k between them!
I should clarify - that is their take as "expenses and allowances " as councillors!
[quote][p][bold]Angry of Lexden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]co2[/bold] wrote: If one life was saved,one citizen not mugged or beaten,not one woman sexually assaulted the 130k would be cheap at that price. As a father i worry for my teenaged daughter,i worry for all the decent people of colchester being put at risk for what is a small sum,put my council tax up £10 a year,20p a week for peace of mind is worth the price.[/p][/quote]I agree with you CO2. I have three girls and plus three boys. I'm terrified for them all. I think the Colchester population is about 160k - divided into £130k is a tiny amount per head. Put it into perspective there is a husband and wife team of councillors in the town who I believe gross about £80k between them![/p][/quote]I should clarify - that is their take as "expenses and allowances " as councillors! Angry of Lexden
  • Score: -1

12:56am Tue 24 Jun 14

IpsumDelor says...

Need to save £130,000 per annum in Essex? Then sack this disgusting excuse for a human being Rodney Bass.

And to anyone who still wants to roll out the "But one of the murders happened in broad daylight" line, if we have a serial killer in our midst he could strike again at ANY time of the day or night.
Need to save £130,000 per annum in Essex? Then sack this disgusting excuse for a human being Rodney Bass. And to anyone who still wants to roll out the "But one of the murders happened in broad daylight" line, if we have a serial killer in our midst he could strike again at ANY time of the day or night. IpsumDelor
  • Score: 2

7:21am Tue 24 Jun 14

super waluigi says...

Too many people will back this petition because the don't know what they are talking about.
Anyone who is concerned that crime will rise when the street lights are turned off is sadly mislead. This is in correct. I myself used to live near the cometary and spend many late nights walking through alley ways with no lighting. Often alone. There is plenty of dark spots in Colchester that harmful people could loiter in, waiting for a chance, but they don't. In fact, A lot of Colchesters crime happens in broad daylight.
Secondly, most mp's don't live in gated communities in America and fly back during voting season. They live amongst us. They also have children with ADHD or learning difficulties. They too have children that go out late at night.
Thirdly, anyone who has been out at this time of night will know, but not all of the lights are turned off. All of the lights on round a bouts, road crossings and main junctions are left on. In fact, if you drive through from stanway to wivenhoe most of the lights are still left on.
Lastly, using words like 'plunged into darkness' is just scare mongering. Ridiculous.
Some of you need to get out more. Understand how things work.
Too many people will back this petition because the don't know what they are talking about. Anyone who is concerned that crime will rise when the street lights are turned off is sadly mislead. This is in correct. I myself used to live near the cometary and spend many late nights walking through alley ways with no lighting. Often alone. There is plenty of dark spots in Colchester that harmful people could loiter in, waiting for a chance, but they don't. In fact, A lot of Colchesters crime happens in broad daylight. Secondly, most mp's don't live in gated communities in America and fly back during voting season. They live amongst us. They also have children with ADHD or learning difficulties. They too have children that go out late at night. Thirdly, anyone who has been out at this time of night will know, but not all of the lights are turned off. All of the lights on round a bouts, road crossings and main junctions are left on. In fact, if you drive through from stanway to wivenhoe most of the lights are still left on. Lastly, using words like 'plunged into darkness' is just scare mongering. Ridiculous. Some of you need to get out more. Understand how things work. super waluigi
  • Score: 0

7:59am Tue 24 Jun 14

SOMETHING2SAY says...

Q: So the Council wants to save money?
A: Simple , get rid of the high-paid monkeys that make all the wrong decisions....how much ££££ was spent on the High St fiasco !
Q: So the Council wants to save money? A: Simple , get rid of the high-paid monkeys that make all the wrong decisions....how much ££££ was spent on the High St fiasco ! SOMETHING2SAY
  • Score: 12

9:38am Tue 24 Jun 14

IpsumDelor says...

super waluigi wrote:
Too many people will back this petition because the don't know what they are talking about.
Anyone who is concerned that crime will rise when the street lights are turned off is sadly mislead. This is in correct. I myself used to live near the cometary and spend many late nights walking through alley ways with no lighting. Often alone. There is plenty of dark spots in Colchester that harmful people could loiter in, waiting for a chance, but they don't. In fact, A lot of Colchesters crime happens in broad daylight.
Secondly, most mp's don't live in gated communities in America and fly back during voting season. They live amongst us. They also have children with ADHD or learning difficulties. They too have children that go out late at night.
Thirdly, anyone who has been out at this time of night will know, but not all of the lights are turned off. All of the lights on round a bouts, road crossings and main junctions are left on. In fact, if you drive through from stanway to wivenhoe most of the lights are still left on.
Lastly, using words like 'plunged into darkness' is just scare mongering. Ridiculous.
Some of you need to get out more. Understand how things work.
Turning the lights off creates many more of these dark spots that you talk about and makes it harder for a victim to identify their attacker. It's hardly rocket science. And most of the lights are most certainly not left on in and around Wivenhoe. Perhaps you should get out more yourself and find something better to do with your time than putting down people who are genuinely concerned for their safety, and the safety of their loved ones.
[quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: Too many people will back this petition because the don't know what they are talking about. Anyone who is concerned that crime will rise when the street lights are turned off is sadly mislead. This is in correct. I myself used to live near the cometary and spend many late nights walking through alley ways with no lighting. Often alone. There is plenty of dark spots in Colchester that harmful people could loiter in, waiting for a chance, but they don't. In fact, A lot of Colchesters crime happens in broad daylight. Secondly, most mp's don't live in gated communities in America and fly back during voting season. They live amongst us. They also have children with ADHD or learning difficulties. They too have children that go out late at night. Thirdly, anyone who has been out at this time of night will know, but not all of the lights are turned off. All of the lights on round a bouts, road crossings and main junctions are left on. In fact, if you drive through from stanway to wivenhoe most of the lights are still left on. Lastly, using words like 'plunged into darkness' is just scare mongering. Ridiculous. Some of you need to get out more. Understand how things work.[/p][/quote]Turning the lights off creates many more of these dark spots that you talk about and makes it harder for a victim to identify their attacker. It's hardly rocket science. And most of the lights are most certainly not left on in and around Wivenhoe. Perhaps you should get out more yourself and find something better to do with your time than putting down people who are genuinely concerned for their safety, and the safety of their loved ones. IpsumDelor
  • Score: 5

9:38am Tue 24 Jun 14

IpsumDelor says...

super waluigi wrote:
Too many people will back this petition because the don't know what they are talking about.
Anyone who is concerned that crime will rise when the street lights are turned off is sadly mislead. This is in correct. I myself used to live near the cometary and spend many late nights walking through alley ways with no lighting. Often alone. There is plenty of dark spots in Colchester that harmful people could loiter in, waiting for a chance, but they don't. In fact, A lot of Colchesters crime happens in broad daylight.
Secondly, most mp's don't live in gated communities in America and fly back during voting season. They live amongst us. They also have children with ADHD or learning difficulties. They too have children that go out late at night.
Thirdly, anyone who has been out at this time of night will know, but not all of the lights are turned off. All of the lights on round a bouts, road crossings and main junctions are left on. In fact, if you drive through from stanway to wivenhoe most of the lights are still left on.
Lastly, using words like 'plunged into darkness' is just scare mongering. Ridiculous.
Some of you need to get out more. Understand how things work.
Turning the lights off creates many more of these dark spots that you talk about and makes it harder for a victim to identify their attacker. It's hardly rocket science. And most of the lights are most certainly not left on in and around Wivenhoe. Perhaps you should get out more yourself and find something better to do with your time than putting down people who are genuinely concerned for their safety, and the safety of their loved ones.
[quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: Too many people will back this petition because the don't know what they are talking about. Anyone who is concerned that crime will rise when the street lights are turned off is sadly mislead. This is in correct. I myself used to live near the cometary and spend many late nights walking through alley ways with no lighting. Often alone. There is plenty of dark spots in Colchester that harmful people could loiter in, waiting for a chance, but they don't. In fact, A lot of Colchesters crime happens in broad daylight. Secondly, most mp's don't live in gated communities in America and fly back during voting season. They live amongst us. They also have children with ADHD or learning difficulties. They too have children that go out late at night. Thirdly, anyone who has been out at this time of night will know, but not all of the lights are turned off. All of the lights on round a bouts, road crossings and main junctions are left on. In fact, if you drive through from stanway to wivenhoe most of the lights are still left on. Lastly, using words like 'plunged into darkness' is just scare mongering. Ridiculous. Some of you need to get out more. Understand how things work.[/p][/quote]Turning the lights off creates many more of these dark spots that you talk about and makes it harder for a victim to identify their attacker. It's hardly rocket science. And most of the lights are most certainly not left on in and around Wivenhoe. Perhaps you should get out more yourself and find something better to do with your time than putting down people who are genuinely concerned for their safety, and the safety of their loved ones. IpsumDelor
  • Score: -3

10:47am Tue 24 Jun 14

super waluigi says...

IpsumDelor wrote:
super waluigi wrote:
Too many people will back this petition because the don't know what they are talking about.
Anyone who is concerned that crime will rise when the street lights are turned off is sadly mislead. This is in correct. I myself used to live near the cometary and spend many late nights walking through alley ways with no lighting. Often alone. There is plenty of dark spots in Colchester that harmful people could loiter in, waiting for a chance, but they don't. In fact, A lot of Colchesters crime happens in broad daylight.
Secondly, most mp's don't live in gated communities in America and fly back during voting season. They live amongst us. They also have children with ADHD or learning difficulties. They too have children that go out late at night.
Thirdly, anyone who has been out at this time of night will know, but not all of the lights are turned off. All of the lights on round a bouts, road crossings and main junctions are left on. In fact, if you drive through from stanway to wivenhoe most of the lights are still left on.
Lastly, using words like 'plunged into darkness' is just scare mongering. Ridiculous.
Some of you need to get out more. Understand how things work.
Turning the lights off creates many more of these dark spots that you talk about and makes it harder for a victim to identify their attacker. It's hardly rocket science. And most of the lights are most certainly not left on in and around Wivenhoe. Perhaps you should get out more yourself and find something better to do with your time than putting down people who are genuinely concerned for their safety, and the safety of their loved ones.
I live in Wivenhoe!!!! I find it pleasant. Light or dark. I am not putting anyone down, I am mearly saying that criminals are not bats. They don't just attack in the dark. Most crime is done in open light areas, such as high streets and parks when it is busy. There is no evidence to support the 'lights off arguement and the latest murder suggests this.
[quote][p][bold]IpsumDelor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: Too many people will back this petition because the don't know what they are talking about. Anyone who is concerned that crime will rise when the street lights are turned off is sadly mislead. This is in correct. I myself used to live near the cometary and spend many late nights walking through alley ways with no lighting. Often alone. There is plenty of dark spots in Colchester that harmful people could loiter in, waiting for a chance, but they don't. In fact, A lot of Colchesters crime happens in broad daylight. Secondly, most mp's don't live in gated communities in America and fly back during voting season. They live amongst us. They also have children with ADHD or learning difficulties. They too have children that go out late at night. Thirdly, anyone who has been out at this time of night will know, but not all of the lights are turned off. All of the lights on round a bouts, road crossings and main junctions are left on. In fact, if you drive through from stanway to wivenhoe most of the lights are still left on. Lastly, using words like 'plunged into darkness' is just scare mongering. Ridiculous. Some of you need to get out more. Understand how things work.[/p][/quote]Turning the lights off creates many more of these dark spots that you talk about and makes it harder for a victim to identify their attacker. It's hardly rocket science. And most of the lights are most certainly not left on in and around Wivenhoe. Perhaps you should get out more yourself and find something better to do with your time than putting down people who are genuinely concerned for their safety, and the safety of their loved ones.[/p][/quote]I live in Wivenhoe!!!! I find it pleasant. Light or dark. I am not putting anyone down, I am mearly saying that criminals are not bats. They don't just attack in the dark. Most crime is done in open light areas, such as high streets and parks when it is busy. There is no evidence to support the 'lights off arguement and the latest murder suggests this. super waluigi
  • Score: 1

10:55am Tue 24 Jun 14

Jake124 says...

The main motive behind the street light switch off was to give a £6 million contract to a company owned by a relative of a county councillor to install the sensors to switch off each light and thus make a large profit at the taxpayer’s expense.

There is no saving for the taxpayer here; it will take 50 years to recoup the £6 million pound outlay from the ludicrously optimistic £130,000 yearly cutback on the electricity bill. In most countries around the world this kind of behaviour from local officials would be called ‘corruption’. Sadly we have an elected dictatorship at county hall which cannot be brought to account for its gross incompetence.

Instead of spending £6,000,000 on installing sensors to each street light that money could’ve been spent keeping all the street lights on at night for the next 50 years...
The main motive behind the street light switch off was to give a £6 million contract to a company owned by a relative of a county councillor to install the sensors to switch off each light and thus make a large profit at the taxpayer’s expense. There is no saving for the taxpayer here; it will take 50 years to recoup the £6 million pound outlay from the ludicrously optimistic £130,000 yearly cutback on the electricity bill. In most countries around the world this kind of behaviour from local officials would be called ‘corruption’. Sadly we have an elected dictatorship at county hall which cannot be brought to account for its gross incompetence. Instead of spending £6,000,000 on installing sensors to each street light that money could’ve been spent keeping all the street lights on at night for the next 50 years... Jake124
  • Score: 16

11:02am Tue 24 Jun 14

IpsumDelor says...

super waluigi wrote:
IpsumDelor wrote:
super waluigi wrote:
Too many people will back this petition because the don't know what they are talking about.
Anyone who is concerned that crime will rise when the street lights are turned off is sadly mislead. This is in correct. I myself used to live near the cometary and spend many late nights walking through alley ways with no lighting. Often alone. There is plenty of dark spots in Colchester that harmful people could loiter in, waiting for a chance, but they don't. In fact, A lot of Colchesters crime happens in broad daylight.
Secondly, most mp's don't live in gated communities in America and fly back during voting season. They live amongst us. They also have children with ADHD or learning difficulties. They too have children that go out late at night.
Thirdly, anyone who has been out at this time of night will know, but not all of the lights are turned off. All of the lights on round a bouts, road crossings and main junctions are left on. In fact, if you drive through from stanway to wivenhoe most of the lights are still left on.
Lastly, using words like 'plunged into darkness' is just scare mongering. Ridiculous.
Some of you need to get out more. Understand how things work.
Turning the lights off creates many more of these dark spots that you talk about and makes it harder for a victim to identify their attacker. It's hardly rocket science. And most of the lights are most certainly not left on in and around Wivenhoe. Perhaps you should get out more yourself and find something better to do with your time than putting down people who are genuinely concerned for their safety, and the safety of their loved ones.
I live in Wivenhoe!!!! I find it pleasant. Light or dark. I am not putting anyone down, I am mearly saying that criminals are not bats. They don't just attack in the dark. Most crime is done in open light areas, such as high streets and parks when it is busy. There is no evidence to support the 'lights off arguement and the latest murder suggests this.
Are you being paid by Essex County Council to promote the case for turning the lights off? Saying people don't know what they are talking about and calling their concerns ridiculous is putting people down. Any right minded person would have no objection to people wanting street lights left on at night and I suspect your only motivation here is just to argue with people. Wivenhoe is very picturesque so why not go for a walk, take in the scenery, get some fresh air and spend your time a little more productively.
[quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IpsumDelor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: Too many people will back this petition because the don't know what they are talking about. Anyone who is concerned that crime will rise when the street lights are turned off is sadly mislead. This is in correct. I myself used to live near the cometary and spend many late nights walking through alley ways with no lighting. Often alone. There is plenty of dark spots in Colchester that harmful people could loiter in, waiting for a chance, but they don't. In fact, A lot of Colchesters crime happens in broad daylight. Secondly, most mp's don't live in gated communities in America and fly back during voting season. They live amongst us. They also have children with ADHD or learning difficulties. They too have children that go out late at night. Thirdly, anyone who has been out at this time of night will know, but not all of the lights are turned off. All of the lights on round a bouts, road crossings and main junctions are left on. In fact, if you drive through from stanway to wivenhoe most of the lights are still left on. Lastly, using words like 'plunged into darkness' is just scare mongering. Ridiculous. Some of you need to get out more. Understand how things work.[/p][/quote]Turning the lights off creates many more of these dark spots that you talk about and makes it harder for a victim to identify their attacker. It's hardly rocket science. And most of the lights are most certainly not left on in and around Wivenhoe. Perhaps you should get out more yourself and find something better to do with your time than putting down people who are genuinely concerned for their safety, and the safety of their loved ones.[/p][/quote]I live in Wivenhoe!!!! I find it pleasant. Light or dark. I am not putting anyone down, I am mearly saying that criminals are not bats. They don't just attack in the dark. Most crime is done in open light areas, such as high streets and parks when it is busy. There is no evidence to support the 'lights off arguement and the latest murder suggests this.[/p][/quote]Are you being paid by Essex County Council to promote the case for turning the lights off? Saying people don't know what they are talking about and calling their concerns ridiculous is putting people down. Any right minded person would have no objection to people wanting street lights left on at night and I suspect your only motivation here is just to argue with people. Wivenhoe is very picturesque so why not go for a walk, take in the scenery, get some fresh air and spend your time a little more productively. IpsumDelor
  • Score: 3

12:12pm Tue 24 Jun 14

super waluigi says...

IpsumDelor wrote:
super waluigi wrote:
IpsumDelor wrote:
super waluigi wrote:
Too many people will back this petition because the don't know what they are talking about.
Anyone who is concerned that crime will rise when the street lights are turned off is sadly mislead. This is in correct. I myself used to live near the cometary and spend many late nights walking through alley ways with no lighting. Often alone. There is plenty of dark spots in Colchester that harmful people could loiter in, waiting for a chance, but they don't. In fact, A lot of Colchesters crime happens in broad daylight.
Secondly, most mp's don't live in gated communities in America and fly back during voting season. They live amongst us. They also have children with ADHD or learning difficulties. They too have children that go out late at night.
Thirdly, anyone who has been out at this time of night will know, but not all of the lights are turned off. All of the lights on round a bouts, road crossings and main junctions are left on. In fact, if you drive through from stanway to wivenhoe most of the lights are still left on.
Lastly, using words like 'plunged into darkness' is just scare mongering. Ridiculous.
Some of you need to get out more. Understand how things work.
Turning the lights off creates many more of these dark spots that you talk about and makes it harder for a victim to identify their attacker. It's hardly rocket science. And most of the lights are most certainly not left on in and around Wivenhoe. Perhaps you should get out more yourself and find something better to do with your time than putting down people who are genuinely concerned for their safety, and the safety of their loved ones.
I live in Wivenhoe!!!! I find it pleasant. Light or dark. I am not putting anyone down, I am mearly saying that criminals are not bats. They don't just attack in the dark. Most crime is done in open light areas, such as high streets and parks when it is busy. There is no evidence to support the 'lights off arguement and the latest murder suggests this.
Are you being paid by Essex County Council to promote the case for turning the lights off? Saying people don't know what they are talking about and calling their concerns ridiculous is putting people down. Any right minded person would have no objection to people wanting street lights left on at night and I suspect your only motivation here is just to argue with people. Wivenhoe is very picturesque so why not go for a walk, take in the scenery, get some fresh air and spend your time a little more productively.
How can my motivation be to argue with people when you are arguing with me? Also, backing this campaign is arguing in the first place!
I am not saying that turning the lights on or off is right. I think there is people who have genuine concerns about the street lights. For a start, late night shift workers have more cause for concern. In fact, similar to the smoking ban, there is two sides to every story.
My issue is with the people on this forum, blabbing on about mp's etc with no evidence to support it. Aldo, the people who think it will attract more crime (again with no evidence). You know the type, the people who think buying drugs is as easy as buying a newspaper.... (The daily mail type).
[quote][p][bold]IpsumDelor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IpsumDelor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: Too many people will back this petition because the don't know what they are talking about. Anyone who is concerned that crime will rise when the street lights are turned off is sadly mislead. This is in correct. I myself used to live near the cometary and spend many late nights walking through alley ways with no lighting. Often alone. There is plenty of dark spots in Colchester that harmful people could loiter in, waiting for a chance, but they don't. In fact, A lot of Colchesters crime happens in broad daylight. Secondly, most mp's don't live in gated communities in America and fly back during voting season. They live amongst us. They also have children with ADHD or learning difficulties. They too have children that go out late at night. Thirdly, anyone who has been out at this time of night will know, but not all of the lights are turned off. All of the lights on round a bouts, road crossings and main junctions are left on. In fact, if you drive through from stanway to wivenhoe most of the lights are still left on. Lastly, using words like 'plunged into darkness' is just scare mongering. Ridiculous. Some of you need to get out more. Understand how things work.[/p][/quote]Turning the lights off creates many more of these dark spots that you talk about and makes it harder for a victim to identify their attacker. It's hardly rocket science. And most of the lights are most certainly not left on in and around Wivenhoe. Perhaps you should get out more yourself and find something better to do with your time than putting down people who are genuinely concerned for their safety, and the safety of their loved ones.[/p][/quote]I live in Wivenhoe!!!! I find it pleasant. Light or dark. I am not putting anyone down, I am mearly saying that criminals are not bats. They don't just attack in the dark. Most crime is done in open light areas, such as high streets and parks when it is busy. There is no evidence to support the 'lights off arguement and the latest murder suggests this.[/p][/quote]Are you being paid by Essex County Council to promote the case for turning the lights off? Saying people don't know what they are talking about and calling their concerns ridiculous is putting people down. Any right minded person would have no objection to people wanting street lights left on at night and I suspect your only motivation here is just to argue with people. Wivenhoe is very picturesque so why not go for a walk, take in the scenery, get some fresh air and spend your time a little more productively.[/p][/quote]How can my motivation be to argue with people when you are arguing with me? Also, backing this campaign is arguing in the first place! I am not saying that turning the lights on or off is right. I think there is people who have genuine concerns about the street lights. For a start, late night shift workers have more cause for concern. In fact, similar to the smoking ban, there is two sides to every story. My issue is with the people on this forum, blabbing on about mp's etc with no evidence to support it. Aldo, the people who think it will attract more crime (again with no evidence). You know the type, the people who think buying drugs is as easy as buying a newspaper.... (The daily mail type). super waluigi
  • Score: 0

1:32pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Reginald47 says...

interchangeable wrote:
Street lights have been on all night at Greenstead since the latest murder.....surely a case of shutting the gate after the horse has gone?
As the murder of that poor girl took place at 10am in the morning you can assume the switching on of the street lights is not to shut or open gates, but so the police can see what they're doing.
[quote][p][bold]interchangeable[/bold] wrote: Street lights have been on all night at Greenstead since the latest murder.....surely a case of shutting the gate after the horse has gone?[/p][/quote]As the murder of that poor girl took place at 10am in the morning you can assume the switching on of the street lights is not to shut or open gates, but so the police can see what they're doing. Reginald47
  • Score: 5

4:23pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Angry of Lexden says...

Jake124 wrote:
The main motive behind the street light switch off was to give a £6 million contract to a company owned by a relative of a county councillor to install the sensors to switch off each light and thus make a large profit at the taxpayer’s expense.

There is no saving for the taxpayer here; it will take 50 years to recoup the £6 million pound outlay from the ludicrously optimistic £130,000 yearly cutback on the electricity bill. In most countries around the world this kind of behaviour from local officials would be called ‘corruption’. Sadly we have an elected dictatorship at county hall which cannot be brought to account for its gross incompetence.

Instead of spending £6,000,000 on installing sensors to each street light that money could’ve been spent keeping all the street lights on at night for the next 50 years...
Jake 124, if you have proof of this you have a duty to report the matter. Pass any information on to who ever you trust but, make sure they all know you intend to challenge the audit on the basis it is not best value.
[quote][p][bold]Jake124[/bold] wrote: The main motive behind the street light switch off was to give a £6 million contract to a company owned by a relative of a county councillor to install the sensors to switch off each light and thus make a large profit at the taxpayer’s expense. There is no saving for the taxpayer here; it will take 50 years to recoup the £6 million pound outlay from the ludicrously optimistic £130,000 yearly cutback on the electricity bill. In most countries around the world this kind of behaviour from local officials would be called ‘corruption’. Sadly we have an elected dictatorship at county hall which cannot be brought to account for its gross incompetence. Instead of spending £6,000,000 on installing sensors to each street light that money could’ve been spent keeping all the street lights on at night for the next 50 years...[/p][/quote]Jake 124, if you have proof of this you have a duty to report the matter. Pass any information on to who ever you trust but, make sure they all know you intend to challenge the audit on the basis it is not best value. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 17

9:04pm Tue 24 Jun 14

IpsumDelor says...

super waluigi wrote:
IpsumDelor wrote:
super waluigi wrote:
IpsumDelor wrote:
super waluigi wrote:
Too many people will back this petition because the don't know what they are talking about.
Anyone who is concerned that crime will rise when the street lights are turned off is sadly mislead. This is in correct. I myself used to live near the cometary and spend many late nights walking through alley ways with no lighting. Often alone. There is plenty of dark spots in Colchester that harmful people could loiter in, waiting for a chance, but they don't. In fact, A lot of Colchesters crime happens in broad daylight.
Secondly, most mp's don't live in gated communities in America and fly back during voting season. They live amongst us. They also have children with ADHD or learning difficulties. They too have children that go out late at night.
Thirdly, anyone who has been out at this time of night will know, but not all of the lights are turned off. All of the lights on round a bouts, road crossings and main junctions are left on. In fact, if you drive through from stanway to wivenhoe most of the lights are still left on.
Lastly, using words like 'plunged into darkness' is just scare mongering. Ridiculous.
Some of you need to get out more. Understand how things work.
Turning the lights off creates many more of these dark spots that you talk about and makes it harder for a victim to identify their attacker. It's hardly rocket science. And most of the lights are most certainly not left on in and around Wivenhoe. Perhaps you should get out more yourself and find something better to do with your time than putting down people who are genuinely concerned for their safety, and the safety of their loved ones.
I live in Wivenhoe!!!! I find it pleasant. Light or dark. I am not putting anyone down, I am mearly saying that criminals are not bats. They don't just attack in the dark. Most crime is done in open light areas, such as high streets and parks when it is busy. There is no evidence to support the 'lights off arguement and the latest murder suggests this.
Are you being paid by Essex County Council to promote the case for turning the lights off? Saying people don't know what they are talking about and calling their concerns ridiculous is putting people down. Any right minded person would have no objection to people wanting street lights left on at night and I suspect your only motivation here is just to argue with people. Wivenhoe is very picturesque so why not go for a walk, take in the scenery, get some fresh air and spend your time a little more productively.
How can my motivation be to argue with people when you are arguing with me? Also, backing this campaign is arguing in the first place!
I am not saying that turning the lights on or off is right. I think there is people who have genuine concerns about the street lights. For a start, late night shift workers have more cause for concern. In fact, similar to the smoking ban, there is two sides to every story.
My issue is with the people on this forum, blabbing on about mp's etc with no evidence to support it. Aldo, the people who think it will attract more crime (again with no evidence). You know the type, the people who think buying drugs is as easy as buying a newspaper.... (The daily mail type).
Your issue is with anyone who dares to think that turning the lights off is not a good idea because for some strange reason you seem to think it is an incredibly good one, and if you don't think that then you just want to put down anyone who is concerned about public safety. And, in the absence of any facts or figures to support your stance, you do what so many people who cannot make a valid argument do when anyone dares to disagree with them and accuse or infer that they are an ignorant Daily Mail reader. As for there being no evidence that lack of street lighting does not lead to more crime we've already had one poor guy brutally murdered on an unlit footpath. Had you forgotten that?
[quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IpsumDelor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IpsumDelor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: Too many people will back this petition because the don't know what they are talking about. Anyone who is concerned that crime will rise when the street lights are turned off is sadly mislead. This is in correct. I myself used to live near the cometary and spend many late nights walking through alley ways with no lighting. Often alone. There is plenty of dark spots in Colchester that harmful people could loiter in, waiting for a chance, but they don't. In fact, A lot of Colchesters crime happens in broad daylight. Secondly, most mp's don't live in gated communities in America and fly back during voting season. They live amongst us. They also have children with ADHD or learning difficulties. They too have children that go out late at night. Thirdly, anyone who has been out at this time of night will know, but not all of the lights are turned off. All of the lights on round a bouts, road crossings and main junctions are left on. In fact, if you drive through from stanway to wivenhoe most of the lights are still left on. Lastly, using words like 'plunged into darkness' is just scare mongering. Ridiculous. Some of you need to get out more. Understand how things work.[/p][/quote]Turning the lights off creates many more of these dark spots that you talk about and makes it harder for a victim to identify their attacker. It's hardly rocket science. And most of the lights are most certainly not left on in and around Wivenhoe. Perhaps you should get out more yourself and find something better to do with your time than putting down people who are genuinely concerned for their safety, and the safety of their loved ones.[/p][/quote]I live in Wivenhoe!!!! I find it pleasant. Light or dark. I am not putting anyone down, I am mearly saying that criminals are not bats. They don't just attack in the dark. Most crime is done in open light areas, such as high streets and parks when it is busy. There is no evidence to support the 'lights off arguement and the latest murder suggests this.[/p][/quote]Are you being paid by Essex County Council to promote the case for turning the lights off? Saying people don't know what they are talking about and calling their concerns ridiculous is putting people down. Any right minded person would have no objection to people wanting street lights left on at night and I suspect your only motivation here is just to argue with people. Wivenhoe is very picturesque so why not go for a walk, take in the scenery, get some fresh air and spend your time a little more productively.[/p][/quote]How can my motivation be to argue with people when you are arguing with me? Also, backing this campaign is arguing in the first place! I am not saying that turning the lights on or off is right. I think there is people who have genuine concerns about the street lights. For a start, late night shift workers have more cause for concern. In fact, similar to the smoking ban, there is two sides to every story. My issue is with the people on this forum, blabbing on about mp's etc with no evidence to support it. Aldo, the people who think it will attract more crime (again with no evidence). You know the type, the people who think buying drugs is as easy as buying a newspaper.... (The daily mail type).[/p][/quote]Your issue is with anyone who dares to think that turning the lights off is not a good idea because for some strange reason you seem to think it is an incredibly good one, and if you don't think that then you just want to put down anyone who is concerned about public safety. And, in the absence of any facts or figures to support your stance, you do what so many people who cannot make a valid argument do when anyone dares to disagree with them and accuse or infer that they are an ignorant Daily Mail reader. As for there being no evidence that lack of street lighting does not lead to more crime we've already had one poor guy brutally murdered on an unlit footpath. Had you forgotten that? IpsumDelor
  • Score: 3

10:39pm Tue 24 Jun 14

SAndrewss says...

I think the overwhelming consensus is that street lights should be kept on at night, whether there is evidence that it would reduce crime or not is irrelevant.
I think the overwhelming consensus is that street lights should be kept on at night, whether there is evidence that it would reduce crime or not is irrelevant. SAndrewss
  • Score: 10

9:43pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Nom De Plume says...

Bus lanes in,
Bus lanes out,
Bus lanes in again,
Street lights on,
Street lights off.
You put right leg in, right leg out, you do the hokey cokey shake it all about, that's what its all about oi !!!!
Oh!!!!!! Essex County,
What a blo*dy bunch of scoundrels,
Oh!!!!! Essex County council, in out, in out, ra ra ra!!!!!!
Bus lanes in, Bus lanes out, Bus lanes in again, Street lights on, Street lights off. You put right leg in, right leg out, you do the hokey cokey shake it all about, that's what its all about oi !!!! Oh!!!!!! Essex County, What a blo*dy bunch of scoundrels, Oh!!!!! Essex County council, in out, in out, ra ra ra!!!!!! Nom De Plume
  • Score: 5

12:01am Fri 27 Jun 14

Angry of Lexden says...

Angry of Lexden wrote:
Jake124 wrote:
The main motive behind the street light switch off was to give a £6 million contract to a company owned by a relative of a county councillor to install the sensors to switch off each light and thus make a large profit at the taxpayer’s expense.

There is no saving for the taxpayer here; it will take 50 years to recoup the £6 million pound outlay from the ludicrously optimistic £130,000 yearly cutback on the electricity bill. In most countries around the world this kind of behaviour from local officials would be called ‘corruption’. Sadly we have an elected dictatorship at county hall which cannot be brought to account for its gross incompetence.

Instead of spending £6,000,000 on installing sensors to each street light that money could’ve been spent keeping all the street lights on at night for the next 50 years...
Jake 124, if you have proof of this you have a duty to report the matter. Pass any information on to who ever you trust but, make sure they all know you intend to challenge the audit on the basis it is not best value.
Jake, you have gone very quite. Please tell us you were not talking rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]Angry of Lexden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jake124[/bold] wrote: The main motive behind the street light switch off was to give a £6 million contract to a company owned by a relative of a county councillor to install the sensors to switch off each light and thus make a large profit at the taxpayer’s expense. There is no saving for the taxpayer here; it will take 50 years to recoup the £6 million pound outlay from the ludicrously optimistic £130,000 yearly cutback on the electricity bill. In most countries around the world this kind of behaviour from local officials would be called ‘corruption’. Sadly we have an elected dictatorship at county hall which cannot be brought to account for its gross incompetence. Instead of spending £6,000,000 on installing sensors to each street light that money could’ve been spent keeping all the street lights on at night for the next 50 years...[/p][/quote]Jake 124, if you have proof of this you have a duty to report the matter. Pass any information on to who ever you trust but, make sure they all know you intend to challenge the audit on the basis it is not best value.[/p][/quote]Jake, you have gone very quite. Please tell us you were not talking rubbish. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 1

12:26am Sun 29 Jun 14

midnightpumpkin says...

As a result of the council not putting our street lighting on I have taken it upon myself to install my own outside light and i leave it on all night for my neighbours I bought all I needed from Wilko for under £10.At least im doing my bit and hope my neighbours appreciate it.
As a result of the council not putting our street lighting on I have taken it upon myself to install my own outside light and i leave it on all night for my neighbours I bought all I needed from Wilko for under £10.At least im doing my bit and hope my neighbours appreciate it. midnightpumpkin
  • Score: 0

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