Churches "ordered" to perform same-sex marriages

Essex County Standard: Churches "ordered" to perform same-sex marriages Churches "ordered" to perform same-sex marriages

CHURCH leaders have called for an investigation after they were sent intimidating letters which ordered them to conduct same sex marriage ceremonies.

Essex County Council wrongly sent the letters to free churches in Colchester demanding they are licensed to perform the marriages.

It said “with immediate effect” churches “must be licensed” to conduct gay marriages.

But the law states churches do not have to perform same-sex weddings and forbids any attempt to force them to do so.

The council has already issued an apology, but Peter Shirtcliffe, pastor of Prettygate Baptist Church, Colchester, said sending the letter, which was from the Colchester Registry Office, showed no understanding of the law.

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2:49pm Thu 15 May 14

wormshero says...

Council accidentally sends bigoted organisation letter informing them they should be licensed to be up to date with new laws, bigoted organisation gets angry, Council apologises, bigots still not happy. Crazy, but not news worthy.
Council accidentally sends bigoted organisation letter informing them they should be licensed to be up to date with new laws, bigoted organisation gets angry, Council apologises, bigots still not happy. Crazy, but not news worthy. wormshero
  • Score: -7

3:31pm Thu 15 May 14

Oliver Guiness says...

wormshero wrote:
Council accidentally sends bigoted organisation letter informing them they should be licensed to be up to date with new laws, bigoted organisation gets angry, Council apologises, bigots still not happy. Crazy, but not news worthy.
The story isn't if the church is bigoted or not but the fact that Essex have told them that they must break the law. Muppets.
[quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: Council accidentally sends bigoted organisation letter informing them they should be licensed to be up to date with new laws, bigoted organisation gets angry, Council apologises, bigots still not happy. Crazy, but not news worthy.[/p][/quote]The story isn't if the church is bigoted or not but the fact that Essex have told them that they must break the law. Muppets. Oliver Guiness
  • Score: 10

3:53pm Thu 15 May 14

Jess Jephcott says...

I suggest they try that one on with the moslems. Should be good for a laugh.
I suggest they try that one on with the moslems. Should be good for a laugh. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: 15

3:56pm Thu 15 May 14

super waluigi says...

And what a backward world we live in that gay people cannot get married in a church!!!! No wonder religion is a dying art form. Unable to move forward like every other aspect of our forward thinking Britain.
And what a backward world we live in that gay people cannot get married in a church!!!! No wonder religion is a dying art form. Unable to move forward like every other aspect of our forward thinking Britain. super waluigi
  • Score: -12

4:22pm Thu 15 May 14

wormshero says...

Oliver Guiness wrote:
wormshero wrote:
Council accidentally sends bigoted organisation letter informing them they should be licensed to be up to date with new laws, bigoted organisation gets angry, Council apologises, bigots still not happy. Crazy, but not news worthy.
The story isn't if the church is bigoted or not but the fact that Essex have told them that they must break the law. Muppets.
Kind of, the law breaking here is from the council - the law states they can't force churches to allow marriages between anyway, churches actually are legally allowed to do so, they're just also given a ridiculous exemption if they want.
[quote][p][bold]Oliver Guiness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: Council accidentally sends bigoted organisation letter informing them they should be licensed to be up to date with new laws, bigoted organisation gets angry, Council apologises, bigots still not happy. Crazy, but not news worthy.[/p][/quote]The story isn't if the church is bigoted or not but the fact that Essex have told them that they must break the law. Muppets.[/p][/quote]Kind of, the law breaking here is from the council - the law states they can't force churches to allow marriages between anyway, churches actually are legally allowed to do so, they're just also given a ridiculous exemption if they want. wormshero
  • Score: -8

4:23pm Thu 15 May 14

wormshero says...

*between anyone.
**** keyboard.
*between anyone. **** keyboard. wormshero
  • Score: -3

4:40pm Thu 15 May 14

Ontheball says...

Never known a county council so incompetent as Essex.
Never known a county council so incompetent as Essex. Ontheball
  • Score: 16

4:45pm Thu 15 May 14

Oliver Guiness says...

wormshero wrote:
Oliver Guiness wrote:
wormshero wrote:
Council accidentally sends bigoted organisation letter informing them they should be licensed to be up to date with new laws, bigoted organisation gets angry, Council apologises, bigots still not happy. Crazy, but not news worthy.
The story isn't if the church is bigoted or not but the fact that Essex have told them that they must break the law. Muppets.
Kind of, the law breaking here is from the council - the law states they can't force churches to allow marriages between anyway, churches actually are legally allowed to do so, they're just also given a ridiculous exemption if they want.
The law bans the Church of England marrying gay people rather than the opt in other churches can use.
[quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oliver Guiness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: Council accidentally sends bigoted organisation letter informing them they should be licensed to be up to date with new laws, bigoted organisation gets angry, Council apologises, bigots still not happy. Crazy, but not news worthy.[/p][/quote]The story isn't if the church is bigoted or not but the fact that Essex have told them that they must break the law. Muppets.[/p][/quote]Kind of, the law breaking here is from the council - the law states they can't force churches to allow marriages between anyway, churches actually are legally allowed to do so, they're just also given a ridiculous exemption if they want.[/p][/quote]The law bans the Church of England marrying gay people rather than the opt in other churches can use. Oliver Guiness
  • Score: -4

5:25pm Thu 15 May 14

wormshero says...

Oliver Guiness wrote:
wormshero wrote:
Oliver Guiness wrote:
wormshero wrote:
Council accidentally sends bigoted organisation letter informing them they should be licensed to be up to date with new laws, bigoted organisation gets angry, Council apologises, bigots still not happy. Crazy, but not news worthy.
The story isn't if the church is bigoted or not but the fact that Essex have told them that they must break the law. Muppets.
Kind of, the law breaking here is from the council - the law states they can't force churches to allow marriages between anyway, churches actually are legally allowed to do so, they're just also given a ridiculous exemption if they want.
The law bans the Church of England marrying gay people rather than the opt in other churches can use.
Fair enough, reading into this you're right, the Church Of England/Church of Wales is specifically not legally allowed to, although other religions can opt in. Disgusting, but I guess the heavily Christian House of Lords would probably not have allowed that to pass. Pretty disgusting really, we really need an elected house of lords (or at least less religious influence in lords) soon.
[quote][p][bold]Oliver Guiness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oliver Guiness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: Council accidentally sends bigoted organisation letter informing them they should be licensed to be up to date with new laws, bigoted organisation gets angry, Council apologises, bigots still not happy. Crazy, but not news worthy.[/p][/quote]The story isn't if the church is bigoted or not but the fact that Essex have told them that they must break the law. Muppets.[/p][/quote]Kind of, the law breaking here is from the council - the law states they can't force churches to allow marriages between anyway, churches actually are legally allowed to do so, they're just also given a ridiculous exemption if they want.[/p][/quote]The law bans the Church of England marrying gay people rather than the opt in other churches can use.[/p][/quote]Fair enough, reading into this you're right, the Church Of England/Church of Wales is specifically not legally allowed to, although other religions can opt in. Disgusting, but I guess the heavily Christian House of Lords would probably not have allowed that to pass. Pretty disgusting really, we really need an elected house of lords (or at least less religious influence in lords) soon. wormshero
  • Score: -8

5:33pm Thu 15 May 14

Jess Jephcott says...

Disestablishment of the Church of England is one thing but the word of God is quite another. Atheists mind your own business.
Disestablishment of the Church of England is one thing but the word of God is quite another. Atheists mind your own business. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: 2

6:02pm Thu 15 May 14

Ritchie_Hicks says...

super waluigi wrote:
And what a backward world we live in that gay people cannot get married in a church!!!! No wonder religion is a dying art form. Unable to move forward like every other aspect of our forward thinking Britain.
It's a shame people are giving you negative votes for your comment.

If two people love each other, happen to be the same sex, happen believe in the people who live in the clouds and want to get married in the cloud-peoples earth castle then good luck to them!
[quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: And what a backward world we live in that gay people cannot get married in a church!!!! No wonder religion is a dying art form. Unable to move forward like every other aspect of our forward thinking Britain.[/p][/quote]It's a shame people are giving you negative votes for your comment. If two people love each other, happen to be the same sex, happen believe in the people who live in the clouds and want to get married in the cloud-peoples earth castle then good luck to them! Ritchie_Hicks
  • Score: -8

6:31pm Thu 15 May 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
Disestablishment of the Church of England is one thing but the word of God is quite another. Atheists mind your own business.
Roman Catholics do not marry anything other than man and woman in the house of GOD.
This is why it is the biggest and greatest religion in modern day society ruined by imposters and pretenders to the alter.
We have a Pope and our own Principality state. All churches in the GOD forsaken country was once R.C. Henry the VIII stole have them and down his own thing hence what you have now.
I mean what hypocrites nearly a third of C.O.E Chaplins are in Masonic Lodges worshipping the fake deity GOD Jah-bal-on which in translation means God/Devil/Devil: The Devil has overpowered the belief of GOD.
Then they go back to their parishes and preach a completely different ideal.
Now they must marry non heterosexual couples, along with female priests and soon to be bishops. What a farce.
Go to the Vatican state, get on your hands and knees and pray for forgiveness of ones ignorance+ Like I did: In between the two fountains:
AVPG:
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: Disestablishment of the Church of England is one thing but the word of God is quite another. Atheists mind your own business.[/p][/quote]Roman Catholics do not marry anything other than man and woman in the house of GOD. This is why it is the biggest and greatest religion in modern day society ruined by imposters and pretenders to the alter. We have a Pope and our own Principality state. All churches in the GOD forsaken country was once R.C. Henry the VIII stole have them and down his own thing hence what you have now. I mean what hypocrites nearly a third of C.O.E Chaplins are in Masonic Lodges worshipping the fake deity GOD Jah-bal-on which in translation means God/Devil/Devil: The Devil has overpowered the belief of GOD. Then they go back to their parishes and preach a completely different ideal. Now they must marry non heterosexual couples, along with female priests and soon to be bishops. What a farce. Go to the Vatican state, get on your hands and knees and pray for forgiveness of ones ignorance+ Like I did: In between the two fountains: AVPG: A Very Private Gentleman
  • Score: 0

6:32pm Thu 15 May 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

SORRY ALTAR.
AVPG:
SORRY ALTAR. AVPG: A Very Private Gentleman
  • Score: 1

6:51pm Thu 15 May 14

wormshero says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
Disestablishment of the Church of England is one thing but the word of God is quite another. Atheists mind your own business.
How I wish that worked both ways.
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: Disestablishment of the Church of England is one thing but the word of God is quite another. Atheists mind your own business.[/p][/quote]How I wish that worked both ways. wormshero
  • Score: -3

7:09pm Thu 15 May 14

Oliver Guiness says...

A Very Private Gentleman wrote:
Jess Jephcott wrote:
Disestablishment of the Church of England is one thing but the word of God is quite another. Atheists mind your own business.
Roman Catholics do not marry anything other than man and woman in the house of GOD.
This is why it is the biggest and greatest religion in modern day society ruined by imposters and pretenders to the alter.
We have a Pope and our own Principality state. All churches in the GOD forsaken country was once R.C. Henry the VIII stole have them and down his own thing hence what you have now.
I mean what hypocrites nearly a third of C.O.E Chaplins are in Masonic Lodges worshipping the fake deity GOD Jah-bal-on which in translation means God/Devil/Devil: The Devil has overpowered the belief of GOD.
Then they go back to their parishes and preach a completely different ideal.
Now they must marry non heterosexual couples, along with female priests and soon to be bishops. What a farce.
Go to the Vatican state, get on your hands and knees and pray for forgiveness of ones ignorance+ Like I did: In between the two fountains:
AVPG:
And of course the RC church destroyed the earlier Celtic church.
[quote][p][bold]A Very Private Gentleman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: Disestablishment of the Church of England is one thing but the word of God is quite another. Atheists mind your own business.[/p][/quote]Roman Catholics do not marry anything other than man and woman in the house of GOD. This is why it is the biggest and greatest religion in modern day society ruined by imposters and pretenders to the alter. We have a Pope and our own Principality state. All churches in the GOD forsaken country was once R.C. Henry the VIII stole have them and down his own thing hence what you have now. I mean what hypocrites nearly a third of C.O.E Chaplins are in Masonic Lodges worshipping the fake deity GOD Jah-bal-on which in translation means God/Devil/Devil: The Devil has overpowered the belief of GOD. Then they go back to their parishes and preach a completely different ideal. Now they must marry non heterosexual couples, along with female priests and soon to be bishops. What a farce. Go to the Vatican state, get on your hands and knees and pray for forgiveness of ones ignorance+ Like I did: In between the two fountains: AVPG:[/p][/quote]And of course the RC church destroyed the earlier Celtic church. Oliver Guiness
  • Score: 1

8:48pm Thu 15 May 14

driver4108 says...

If the church did allow gays to get married in church how would they get around the bit where the bible reads"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood upon them"
Surly this is deleting the bits of the bible,it would make religion pointless!
Very good comments by avpg
If the church did allow gays to get married in church how would they get around the bit where the bible reads"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood upon them" Surly this is deleting the bits of the bible,it would make religion pointless! Very good comments by avpg driver4108
  • Score: 9

9:18pm Thu 15 May 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

Sorry I have been drinking to much Amarone Vino Red
The paragraph below in my last post as -
***All churches in the GOD forsaken country was once R.C. Henry the VIII stole have them and down his own thing hence what you have now.
Should have read as*** -
All churches in most parts of this GOD forsaken country, were once R.C. Henry The VIII came along and stole half of them and created his own thing The C.O.E. Hence what you have now, for his own purposes.
Apologies once again+
AVPG:+
Sorry I have been drinking to much Amarone Vino Red The paragraph below in my last post as - ***All churches in the GOD forsaken country was once R.C. Henry the VIII stole have them and down his own thing hence what you have now. Should have read as*** - All churches in most parts of this GOD forsaken country, were once R.C. Henry The VIII came along and stole half of them and created his own thing The C.O.E. Hence what you have now, for his own purposes. Apologies once again+ AVPG:+ A Very Private Gentleman
  • Score: 2

9:35pm Thu 15 May 14

wormshero says...

driver4108 wrote:
If the church did allow gays to get married in church how would they get around the bit where the bible reads"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood upon them"
Surly this is deleting the bits of the bible,it would make religion pointless!
Very good comments by avpg
Aye, I guess all followers of christianity abstain from eating foods from fields where more than one type of crop is grown, and refuse to wear clothing made from mixed cloth (Leviticus 19:19) too? The old testament is basically ignored these days, except to support bigoted claims. If you're anti gay because of "god's word" and you do either of the above, eat any fat (Leviticus 3:17 - all fat is god's, you must not any fat), eat pig (leviticus 11:7), or sell land (leviticus 25: 23) then you're a hypocrite. Very few people actually follow leviticus completely, they just pick and choose the bits they want to hold against other people.

Obviously this is irrelevant to me, I've read the bible (and various other religious texts) and decided that there were too many contradictions to the real world for me to believe in any of them, but if you're going to quote a fictional text to justify your irrational hate then I'd hope you follow the rest of the teachings in the same book at least.
[quote][p][bold]driver4108[/bold] wrote: If the church did allow gays to get married in church how would they get around the bit where the bible reads"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood upon them" Surly this is deleting the bits of the bible,it would make religion pointless! Very good comments by avpg[/p][/quote]Aye, I guess all followers of christianity abstain from eating foods from fields where more than one type of crop is grown, and refuse to wear clothing made from mixed cloth (Leviticus 19:19) too? The old testament is basically ignored these days, except to support bigoted claims. If you're anti gay because of "god's word" and you do either of the above, eat any fat (Leviticus 3:17 - all fat is god's, you must not any fat), eat pig (leviticus 11:7), or sell land (leviticus 25: 23) then you're a hypocrite. Very few people actually follow leviticus completely, they just pick and choose the bits they want to hold against other people. Obviously this is irrelevant to me, I've read the bible (and various other religious texts) and decided that there were too many contradictions to the real world for me to believe in any of them, but if you're going to quote a fictional text to justify your irrational hate then I'd hope you follow the rest of the teachings in the same book at least. wormshero
  • Score: 10

10:22pm Thu 15 May 14

Boris says...

wormshero wrote:
driver4108 wrote:
If the church did allow gays to get married in church how would they get around the bit where the bible reads"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood upon them"
Surly this is deleting the bits of the bible,it would make religion pointless!
Very good comments by avpg
Aye, I guess all followers of christianity abstain from eating foods from fields where more than one type of crop is grown, and refuse to wear clothing made from mixed cloth (Leviticus 19:19) too? The old testament is basically ignored these days, except to support bigoted claims. If you're anti gay because of "god's word" and you do either of the above, eat any fat (Leviticus 3:17 - all fat is god's, you must not any fat), eat pig (leviticus 11:7), or sell land (leviticus 25: 23) then you're a hypocrite. Very few people actually follow leviticus completely, they just pick and choose the bits they want to hold against other people.

Obviously this is irrelevant to me, I've read the bible (and various other religious texts) and decided that there were too many contradictions to the real world for me to believe in any of them, but if you're going to quote a fictional text to justify your irrational hate then I'd hope you follow the rest of the teachings in the same book at least.
Leviticus and Deuteronomy both say that whoever wears clothes made of mixed fibres must be put to death. Yet we do not hear of Christians or Jews stoning each other to death because of the sin of wearting a cotton/polyester garment. Why not? Probably because there would be no Christians or Jews left alive.
Pragmatism rules OK.
[quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]driver4108[/bold] wrote: If the church did allow gays to get married in church how would they get around the bit where the bible reads"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood upon them" Surly this is deleting the bits of the bible,it would make religion pointless! Very good comments by avpg[/p][/quote]Aye, I guess all followers of christianity abstain from eating foods from fields where more than one type of crop is grown, and refuse to wear clothing made from mixed cloth (Leviticus 19:19) too? The old testament is basically ignored these days, except to support bigoted claims. If you're anti gay because of "god's word" and you do either of the above, eat any fat (Leviticus 3:17 - all fat is god's, you must not any fat), eat pig (leviticus 11:7), or sell land (leviticus 25: 23) then you're a hypocrite. Very few people actually follow leviticus completely, they just pick and choose the bits they want to hold against other people. Obviously this is irrelevant to me, I've read the bible (and various other religious texts) and decided that there were too many contradictions to the real world for me to believe in any of them, but if you're going to quote a fictional text to justify your irrational hate then I'd hope you follow the rest of the teachings in the same book at least.[/p][/quote]Leviticus and Deuteronomy both say that whoever wears clothes made of mixed fibres must be put to death. Yet we do not hear of Christians or Jews stoning each other to death because of the sin of wearting a cotton/polyester garment. Why not? Probably because there would be no Christians or Jews left alive. Pragmatism rules OK. Boris
  • Score: 7

10:27pm Thu 15 May 14

Boris says...

A Very Private Gentleman wrote:
Jess Jephcott wrote:
Disestablishment of the Church of England is one thing but the word of God is quite another. Atheists mind your own business.
Roman Catholics do not marry anything other than man and woman in the house of GOD.
This is why it is the biggest and greatest religion in modern day society ruined by imposters and pretenders to the alter.
We have a Pope and our own Principality state. All churches in the GOD forsaken country was once R.C. Henry the VIII stole have them and down his own thing hence what you have now.
I mean what hypocrites nearly a third of C.O.E Chaplins are in Masonic Lodges worshipping the fake deity GOD Jah-bal-on which in translation means God/Devil/Devil: The Devil has overpowered the belief of GOD.
Then they go back to their parishes and preach a completely different ideal.
Now they must marry non heterosexual couples, along with female priests and soon to be bishops. What a farce.
Go to the Vatican state, get on your hands and knees and pray for forgiveness of ones ignorance+ Like I did: In between the two fountains:
AVPG:
AVPG, at last we are beginning to understand why your pronouncements are often so strange. Religion and wine have addled your brain. But never mind. Just avoid wearing mixed-fibre clothing and you will be all right.
[quote][p][bold]A Very Private Gentleman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: Disestablishment of the Church of England is one thing but the word of God is quite another. Atheists mind your own business.[/p][/quote]Roman Catholics do not marry anything other than man and woman in the house of GOD. This is why it is the biggest and greatest religion in modern day society ruined by imposters and pretenders to the alter. We have a Pope and our own Principality state. All churches in the GOD forsaken country was once R.C. Henry the VIII stole have them and down his own thing hence what you have now. I mean what hypocrites nearly a third of C.O.E Chaplins are in Masonic Lodges worshipping the fake deity GOD Jah-bal-on which in translation means God/Devil/Devil: The Devil has overpowered the belief of GOD. Then they go back to their parishes and preach a completely different ideal. Now they must marry non heterosexual couples, along with female priests and soon to be bishops. What a farce. Go to the Vatican state, get on your hands and knees and pray for forgiveness of ones ignorance+ Like I did: In between the two fountains: AVPG:[/p][/quote]AVPG, at last we are beginning to understand why your pronouncements are often so strange. Religion and wine have addled your brain. But never mind. Just avoid wearing mixed-fibre clothing and you will be all right. Boris
  • Score: 12

7:18am Fri 16 May 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

Yes Mr Boris, unfortunately Age, my penchant for fine wine and senseo coffee's, plus the newly need for glasses and issues with my water works, are all pleas in mitigation to my over exuberance on occasions.
AVPG:
PS: I know it may sound like and excuse, I have such rubbish broadband here at 1.5 MB download, I am sure the site server glitches while I am writing.
Yes Mr Boris, unfortunately Age, my penchant for fine wine and senseo coffee's, plus the newly need for glasses and issues with my water works, are all pleas in mitigation to my over exuberance on occasions. AVPG: PS: I know it may sound like and excuse, I have such rubbish broadband here at 1.5 MB download, I am sure the site server glitches while I am writing. A Very Private Gentleman
  • Score: 3

7:33am Fri 16 May 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

For £350 to £400 you can go to Heart Of Italy Tour in Chanciamo with Shearings, They will take you on an all day visit to Rome. In temperatures of 37 to 40 degrees, you will sit in St Peters Square and then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for. In an instant you will understand why there is religion. Last night I had 24 thumbs ups on this post, because readers during the day are all the normal gazette types generally NOT from Colchester. As soon as the 6pm bigots came on line, I noticed all the thumbs up posts where gone.
A moment ago I wrote, "Then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for, in an instant you will understand why there is religion". Why you ask ? My answer to you is because at the end of your days. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE !
AVPG:
PS: Less is more Boris, especially where life is concerned, all factors of it.
For £350 to £400 you can go to Heart Of Italy Tour in Chanciamo with Shearings, They will take you on an all day visit to Rome. In temperatures of 37 to 40 degrees, you will sit in St Peters Square and then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for. In an instant you will understand why there is religion. Last night I had 24 thumbs ups on this post, because readers during the day are all the normal gazette types generally NOT from Colchester. As soon as the 6pm bigots came on line, I noticed all the thumbs up posts where gone. A moment ago I wrote, "Then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for, in an instant you will understand why there is religion". Why you ask ? My answer to you is because at the end of your days. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE ! AVPG: PS: Less is more Boris, especially where life is concerned, all factors of it. A Very Private Gentleman
  • Score: -2

8:20am Fri 16 May 14

Ritchie_Hicks says...

wormshero wrote:
driver4108 wrote:
If the church did allow gays to get married in church how would they get around the bit where the bible reads"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood upon them"
Surly this is deleting the bits of the bible,it would make religion pointless!
Very good comments by avpg
Aye, I guess all followers of christianity abstain from eating foods from fields where more than one type of crop is grown, and refuse to wear clothing made from mixed cloth (Leviticus 19:19) too? The old testament is basically ignored these days, except to support bigoted claims. If you're anti gay because of "god's word" and you do either of the above, eat any fat (Leviticus 3:17 - all fat is god's, you must not any fat), eat pig (leviticus 11:7), or sell land (leviticus 25: 23) then you're a hypocrite. Very few people actually follow leviticus completely, they just pick and choose the bits they want to hold against other people.

Obviously this is irrelevant to me, I've read the bible (and various other religious texts) and decided that there were too many contradictions to the real world for me to believe in any of them, but if you're going to quote a fictional text to justify your irrational hate then I'd hope you follow the rest of the teachings in the same book at least.
Very well said, but then, am I really surprised that most of the responses from this article are bigoted? Not really - most of the people on here are.
[quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]driver4108[/bold] wrote: If the church did allow gays to get married in church how would they get around the bit where the bible reads"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood upon them" Surly this is deleting the bits of the bible,it would make religion pointless! Very good comments by avpg[/p][/quote]Aye, I guess all followers of christianity abstain from eating foods from fields where more than one type of crop is grown, and refuse to wear clothing made from mixed cloth (Leviticus 19:19) too? The old testament is basically ignored these days, except to support bigoted claims. If you're anti gay because of "god's word" and you do either of the above, eat any fat (Leviticus 3:17 - all fat is god's, you must not any fat), eat pig (leviticus 11:7), or sell land (leviticus 25: 23) then you're a hypocrite. Very few people actually follow leviticus completely, they just pick and choose the bits they want to hold against other people. Obviously this is irrelevant to me, I've read the bible (and various other religious texts) and decided that there were too many contradictions to the real world for me to believe in any of them, but if you're going to quote a fictional text to justify your irrational hate then I'd hope you follow the rest of the teachings in the same book at least.[/p][/quote]Very well said, but then, am I really surprised that most of the responses from this article are bigoted? Not really - most of the people on here are. Ritchie_Hicks
  • Score: 1

9:15am Fri 16 May 14

super waluigi says...

A Very Private Gentleman wrote:
For £350 to £400 you can go to Heart Of Italy Tour in Chanciamo with Shearings, They will take you on an all day visit to Rome. In temperatures of 37 to 40 degrees, you will sit in St Peters Square and then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for. In an instant you will understand why there is religion. Last night I had 24 thumbs ups on this post, because readers during the day are all the normal gazette types generally NOT from Colchester. As soon as the 6pm bigots came on line, I noticed all the thumbs up posts where gone.
A moment ago I wrote, "Then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for, in an instant you will understand why there is religion". Why you ask ? My answer to you is because at the end of your days. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE !
AVPG:
PS: Less is more Boris, especially where life is concerned, all factors of it.
I don't think anyone is suggesting God might be fictional or real, as this is irrelivent. A good atheist like myself will allow Muslim, Christian or Jewish people to have their opinion. No one can be certain if heaven is real or if the Big Bang theory was how Earth evolved, so only narrow minded people unable to take on other peoples perspective will criticise other ideas.

This is the exact reason why I have a problem with the church not allowing gay marriages. An idea that being gay is almost like having a disease was still considered logical up until the 1980's, so I can understand the churches stance on gay marriage. But now we are 100% sure that being gay is a possibility for everyone, effected by our DNA, like our eye colour or shoe size
I cannot understand how the church cannot allow marriages of gay people.

Just to make a note, many schools in colchester are religious. Many parents will put their children through education with religion in their mind and push their children into marriage at their local church, are we saying teenagers who might think they are gay should put their teacher and parents wishes before their own emotions?
[quote][p][bold]A Very Private Gentleman[/bold] wrote: For £350 to £400 you can go to Heart Of Italy Tour in Chanciamo with Shearings, They will take you on an all day visit to Rome. In temperatures of 37 to 40 degrees, you will sit in St Peters Square and then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for. In an instant you will understand why there is religion. Last night I had 24 thumbs ups on this post, because readers during the day are all the normal gazette types generally NOT from Colchester. As soon as the 6pm bigots came on line, I noticed all the thumbs up posts where gone. A moment ago I wrote, "Then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for, in an instant you will understand why there is religion". Why you ask ? My answer to you is because at the end of your days. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE ! AVPG: PS: Less is more Boris, especially where life is concerned, all factors of it.[/p][/quote]I don't think anyone is suggesting God might be fictional or real, as this is irrelivent. A good atheist like myself will allow Muslim, Christian or Jewish people to have their opinion. No one can be certain if heaven is real or if the Big Bang theory was how Earth evolved, so only narrow minded people unable to take on other peoples perspective will criticise other ideas. This is the exact reason why I have a problem with the church not allowing gay marriages. An idea that being gay is almost like having a disease was still considered logical up until the 1980's, so I can understand the churches stance on gay marriage. But now we are 100% sure that being gay is a possibility for everyone, effected by our DNA, like our eye colour or shoe size I cannot understand how the church cannot allow marriages of gay people. Just to make a note, many schools in colchester are religious. Many parents will put their children through education with religion in their mind and push their children into marriage at their local church, are we saying teenagers who might think they are gay should put their teacher and parents wishes before their own emotions? super waluigi
  • Score: 4

9:23am Fri 16 May 14

Ritchie_Hicks says...

super waluigi wrote:
A Very Private Gentleman wrote:
For £350 to £400 you can go to Heart Of Italy Tour in Chanciamo with Shearings, They will take you on an all day visit to Rome. In temperatures of 37 to 40 degrees, you will sit in St Peters Square and then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for. In an instant you will understand why there is religion. Last night I had 24 thumbs ups on this post, because readers during the day are all the normal gazette types generally NOT from Colchester. As soon as the 6pm bigots came on line, I noticed all the thumbs up posts where gone.
A moment ago I wrote, "Then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for, in an instant you will understand why there is religion". Why you ask ? My answer to you is because at the end of your days. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE !
AVPG:
PS: Less is more Boris, especially where life is concerned, all factors of it.
I don't think anyone is suggesting God might be fictional or real, as this is irrelivent. A good atheist like myself will allow Muslim, Christian or Jewish people to have their opinion. No one can be certain if heaven is real or if the Big Bang theory was how Earth evolved, so only narrow minded people unable to take on other peoples perspective will criticise other ideas.

This is the exact reason why I have a problem with the church not allowing gay marriages. An idea that being gay is almost like having a disease was still considered logical up until the 1980's, so I can understand the churches stance on gay marriage. But now we are 100% sure that being gay is a possibility for everyone, effected by our DNA, like our eye colour or shoe size
I cannot understand how the church cannot allow marriages of gay people.

Just to make a note, many schools in colchester are religious. Many parents will put their children through education with religion in their mind and push their children into marriage at their local church, are we saying teenagers who might think they are gay should put their teacher and parents wishes before their own emotions?
And how many hetrosexual couples have the "big church white wedding" having not stepped a foot in a church for 15+ years? Churches will happilly accept that. Hypocrisy!
[quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Very Private Gentleman[/bold] wrote: For £350 to £400 you can go to Heart Of Italy Tour in Chanciamo with Shearings, They will take you on an all day visit to Rome. In temperatures of 37 to 40 degrees, you will sit in St Peters Square and then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for. In an instant you will understand why there is religion. Last night I had 24 thumbs ups on this post, because readers during the day are all the normal gazette types generally NOT from Colchester. As soon as the 6pm bigots came on line, I noticed all the thumbs up posts where gone. A moment ago I wrote, "Then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for, in an instant you will understand why there is religion". Why you ask ? My answer to you is because at the end of your days. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE ! AVPG: PS: Less is more Boris, especially where life is concerned, all factors of it.[/p][/quote]I don't think anyone is suggesting God might be fictional or real, as this is irrelivent. A good atheist like myself will allow Muslim, Christian or Jewish people to have their opinion. No one can be certain if heaven is real or if the Big Bang theory was how Earth evolved, so only narrow minded people unable to take on other peoples perspective will criticise other ideas. This is the exact reason why I have a problem with the church not allowing gay marriages. An idea that being gay is almost like having a disease was still considered logical up until the 1980's, so I can understand the churches stance on gay marriage. But now we are 100% sure that being gay is a possibility for everyone, effected by our DNA, like our eye colour or shoe size I cannot understand how the church cannot allow marriages of gay people. Just to make a note, many schools in colchester are religious. Many parents will put their children through education with religion in their mind and push their children into marriage at their local church, are we saying teenagers who might think they are gay should put their teacher and parents wishes before their own emotions?[/p][/quote]And how many hetrosexual couples have the "big church white wedding" having not stepped a foot in a church for 15+ years? Churches will happilly accept that. Hypocrisy! Ritchie_Hicks
  • Score: -2

11:40am Fri 16 May 14

romantic says...

Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
super waluigi wrote:
A Very Private Gentleman wrote:
For £350 to £400 you can go to Heart Of Italy Tour in Chanciamo with Shearings, They will take you on an all day visit to Rome. In temperatures of 37 to 40 degrees, you will sit in St Peters Square and then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for. In an instant you will understand why there is religion. Last night I had 24 thumbs ups on this post, because readers during the day are all the normal gazette types generally NOT from Colchester. As soon as the 6pm bigots came on line, I noticed all the thumbs up posts where gone.
A moment ago I wrote, "Then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for, in an instant you will understand why there is religion". Why you ask ? My answer to you is because at the end of your days. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE !
AVPG:
PS: Less is more Boris, especially where life is concerned, all factors of it.
I don't think anyone is suggesting God might be fictional or real, as this is irrelivent. A good atheist like myself will allow Muslim, Christian or Jewish people to have their opinion. No one can be certain if heaven is real or if the Big Bang theory was how Earth evolved, so only narrow minded people unable to take on other peoples perspective will criticise other ideas.

This is the exact reason why I have a problem with the church not allowing gay marriages. An idea that being gay is almost like having a disease was still considered logical up until the 1980's, so I can understand the churches stance on gay marriage. But now we are 100% sure that being gay is a possibility for everyone, effected by our DNA, like our eye colour or shoe size
I cannot understand how the church cannot allow marriages of gay people.

Just to make a note, many schools in colchester are religious. Many parents will put their children through education with religion in their mind and push their children into marriage at their local church, are we saying teenagers who might think they are gay should put their teacher and parents wishes before their own emotions?
And how many hetrosexual couples have the "big church white wedding" having not stepped a foot in a church for 15+ years? Churches will happilly accept that. Hypocrisy!
A very good point! I suspect that many couples end up in big church weddings due to pressure from family, especially if said family is footing the bill! When I got married, it was a non-religious ceremony because we are not Church-goers. Any other way would have been hypocritical. I've been to loads of weddings where I know full well that neither person has ever been a regular church attender, but they do it in church because that's what you do!

The furore over a letter sent in error is a storm in a teacup, but on the wider theme, I really don't see the problem if two gay people want to marry in church, if they are believers. Does anybody really think that society is going to crumble because two people who love each other are signing up to commit to each other for the rest of their lives? This is 2014, not 1934!
[quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Very Private Gentleman[/bold] wrote: For £350 to £400 you can go to Heart Of Italy Tour in Chanciamo with Shearings, They will take you on an all day visit to Rome. In temperatures of 37 to 40 degrees, you will sit in St Peters Square and then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for. In an instant you will understand why there is religion. Last night I had 24 thumbs ups on this post, because readers during the day are all the normal gazette types generally NOT from Colchester. As soon as the 6pm bigots came on line, I noticed all the thumbs up posts where gone. A moment ago I wrote, "Then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for, in an instant you will understand why there is religion". Why you ask ? My answer to you is because at the end of your days. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE ! AVPG: PS: Less is more Boris, especially where life is concerned, all factors of it.[/p][/quote]I don't think anyone is suggesting God might be fictional or real, as this is irrelivent. A good atheist like myself will allow Muslim, Christian or Jewish people to have their opinion. No one can be certain if heaven is real or if the Big Bang theory was how Earth evolved, so only narrow minded people unable to take on other peoples perspective will criticise other ideas. This is the exact reason why I have a problem with the church not allowing gay marriages. An idea that being gay is almost like having a disease was still considered logical up until the 1980's, so I can understand the churches stance on gay marriage. But now we are 100% sure that being gay is a possibility for everyone, effected by our DNA, like our eye colour or shoe size I cannot understand how the church cannot allow marriages of gay people. Just to make a note, many schools in colchester are religious. Many parents will put their children through education with religion in their mind and push their children into marriage at their local church, are we saying teenagers who might think they are gay should put their teacher and parents wishes before their own emotions?[/p][/quote]And how many hetrosexual couples have the "big church white wedding" having not stepped a foot in a church for 15+ years? Churches will happilly accept that. Hypocrisy![/p][/quote]A very good point! I suspect that many couples end up in big church weddings due to pressure from family, especially if said family is footing the bill! When I got married, it was a non-religious ceremony because we are not Church-goers. Any other way would have been hypocritical. I've been to loads of weddings where I know full well that neither person has ever been a regular church attender, but they do it in church because that's what you do! The furore over a letter sent in error is a storm in a teacup, but on the wider theme, I really don't see the problem if two gay people want to marry in church, if they are believers. Does anybody really think that society is going to crumble because two people who love each other are signing up to commit to each other for the rest of their lives? This is 2014, not 1934! romantic
  • Score: -3

11:43am Fri 16 May 14

Ritchie_Hicks says...

romantic wrote:
Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
super waluigi wrote:
A Very Private Gentleman wrote:
For £350 to £400 you can go to Heart Of Italy Tour in Chanciamo with Shearings, They will take you on an all day visit to Rome. In temperatures of 37 to 40 degrees, you will sit in St Peters Square and then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for. In an instant you will understand why there is religion. Last night I had 24 thumbs ups on this post, because readers during the day are all the normal gazette types generally NOT from Colchester. As soon as the 6pm bigots came on line, I noticed all the thumbs up posts where gone.
A moment ago I wrote, "Then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for, in an instant you will understand why there is religion". Why you ask ? My answer to you is because at the end of your days. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE !
AVPG:
PS: Less is more Boris, especially where life is concerned, all factors of it.
I don't think anyone is suggesting God might be fictional or real, as this is irrelivent. A good atheist like myself will allow Muslim, Christian or Jewish people to have their opinion. No one can be certain if heaven is real or if the Big Bang theory was how Earth evolved, so only narrow minded people unable to take on other peoples perspective will criticise other ideas.

This is the exact reason why I have a problem with the church not allowing gay marriages. An idea that being gay is almost like having a disease was still considered logical up until the 1980's, so I can understand the churches stance on gay marriage. But now we are 100% sure that being gay is a possibility for everyone, effected by our DNA, like our eye colour or shoe size
I cannot understand how the church cannot allow marriages of gay people.

Just to make a note, many schools in colchester are religious. Many parents will put their children through education with religion in their mind and push their children into marriage at their local church, are we saying teenagers who might think they are gay should put their teacher and parents wishes before their own emotions?
And how many hetrosexual couples have the "big church white wedding" having not stepped a foot in a church for 15+ years? Churches will happilly accept that. Hypocrisy!
A very good point! I suspect that many couples end up in big church weddings due to pressure from family, especially if said family is footing the bill! When I got married, it was a non-religious ceremony because we are not Church-goers. Any other way would have been hypocritical. I've been to loads of weddings where I know full well that neither person has ever been a regular church attender, but they do it in church because that's what you do!

The furore over a letter sent in error is a storm in a teacup, but on the wider theme, I really don't see the problem if two gay people want to marry in church, if they are believers. Does anybody really think that society is going to crumble because two people who love each other are signing up to commit to each other for the rest of their lives? This is 2014, not 1934!
100% with you on that.

My wife and I got married in Colchester Town Hall. The staff were fantastic, the venue was great, we hired the Mayor's balcony and the sun was shining. No church, no need!
[quote][p][bold]romantic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Very Private Gentleman[/bold] wrote: For £350 to £400 you can go to Heart Of Italy Tour in Chanciamo with Shearings, They will take you on an all day visit to Rome. In temperatures of 37 to 40 degrees, you will sit in St Peters Square and then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for. In an instant you will understand why there is religion. Last night I had 24 thumbs ups on this post, because readers during the day are all the normal gazette types generally NOT from Colchester. As soon as the 6pm bigots came on line, I noticed all the thumbs up posts where gone. A moment ago I wrote, "Then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for, in an instant you will understand why there is religion". Why you ask ? My answer to you is because at the end of your days. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE ! AVPG: PS: Less is more Boris, especially where life is concerned, all factors of it.[/p][/quote]I don't think anyone is suggesting God might be fictional or real, as this is irrelivent. A good atheist like myself will allow Muslim, Christian or Jewish people to have their opinion. No one can be certain if heaven is real or if the Big Bang theory was how Earth evolved, so only narrow minded people unable to take on other peoples perspective will criticise other ideas. This is the exact reason why I have a problem with the church not allowing gay marriages. An idea that being gay is almost like having a disease was still considered logical up until the 1980's, so I can understand the churches stance on gay marriage. But now we are 100% sure that being gay is a possibility for everyone, effected by our DNA, like our eye colour or shoe size I cannot understand how the church cannot allow marriages of gay people. Just to make a note, many schools in colchester are religious. Many parents will put their children through education with religion in their mind and push their children into marriage at their local church, are we saying teenagers who might think they are gay should put their teacher and parents wishes before their own emotions?[/p][/quote]And how many hetrosexual couples have the "big church white wedding" having not stepped a foot in a church for 15+ years? Churches will happilly accept that. Hypocrisy![/p][/quote]A very good point! I suspect that many couples end up in big church weddings due to pressure from family, especially if said family is footing the bill! When I got married, it was a non-religious ceremony because we are not Church-goers. Any other way would have been hypocritical. I've been to loads of weddings where I know full well that neither person has ever been a regular church attender, but they do it in church because that's what you do! The furore over a letter sent in error is a storm in a teacup, but on the wider theme, I really don't see the problem if two gay people want to marry in church, if they are believers. Does anybody really think that society is going to crumble because two people who love each other are signing up to commit to each other for the rest of their lives? This is 2014, not 1934![/p][/quote]100% with you on that. My wife and I got married in Colchester Town Hall. The staff were fantastic, the venue was great, we hired the Mayor's balcony and the sun was shining. No church, no need! Ritchie_Hicks
  • Score: 2

4:34pm Fri 16 May 14

Misty4 says...

Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
super waluigi wrote:
And what a backward world we live in that gay people cannot get married in a church!!!! No wonder religion is a dying art form. Unable to move forward like every other aspect of our forward thinking Britain.
It's a shame people are giving you negative votes for your comment.

If two people love each other, happen to be the same sex, happen believe in the people who live in the clouds and want to get married in the cloud-peoples earth castle then good luck to them!
You obviously haven't studied theology. The Bible specifically prohibits homosexuality. How is a vicar supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible while being ordered to do something that it prohibits? You might not like it, but there it is. There are plenty of options for gay people, but some gay militants want everything their way.
[quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: And what a backward world we live in that gay people cannot get married in a church!!!! No wonder religion is a dying art form. Unable to move forward like every other aspect of our forward thinking Britain.[/p][/quote]It's a shame people are giving you negative votes for your comment. If two people love each other, happen to be the same sex, happen believe in the people who live in the clouds and want to get married in the cloud-peoples earth castle then good luck to them![/p][/quote]You obviously haven't studied theology. The Bible specifically prohibits homosexuality. How is a vicar supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible while being ordered to do something that it prohibits? You might not like it, but there it is. There are plenty of options for gay people, but some gay militants want everything their way. Misty4
  • Score: 5

4:40pm Fri 16 May 14

Ritchie_Hicks says...

Misty4 wrote:
Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
super waluigi wrote:
And what a backward world we live in that gay people cannot get married in a church!!!! No wonder religion is a dying art form. Unable to move forward like every other aspect of our forward thinking Britain.
It's a shame people are giving you negative votes for your comment.

If two people love each other, happen to be the same sex, happen believe in the people who live in the clouds and want to get married in the cloud-peoples earth castle then good luck to them!
You obviously haven't studied theology. The Bible specifically prohibits homosexuality. How is a vicar supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible while being ordered to do something that it prohibits? You might not like it, but there it is. There are plenty of options for gay people, but some gay militants want everything their way.
That was covered above by WormsHero:

"Aye, I guess all followers of christianity abstain from eating foods from fields where more than one type of crop is grown, and refuse to wear clothing made from mixed cloth (Leviticus 19:19) too? The old testament is basically ignored these days, except to support bigoted claims. If you're anti gay because of "god's word" and you do either of the above, eat any fat (Leviticus 3:17 - all fat is god's, you must not any fat), eat pig (leviticus 11:7), or sell land (leviticus 25: 23) then you're a hypocrite. Very few people actually follow leviticus completely, they just pick and choose the bits they want to hold against other people."
[quote][p][bold]Misty4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: And what a backward world we live in that gay people cannot get married in a church!!!! No wonder religion is a dying art form. Unable to move forward like every other aspect of our forward thinking Britain.[/p][/quote]It's a shame people are giving you negative votes for your comment. If two people love each other, happen to be the same sex, happen believe in the people who live in the clouds and want to get married in the cloud-peoples earth castle then good luck to them![/p][/quote]You obviously haven't studied theology. The Bible specifically prohibits homosexuality. How is a vicar supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible while being ordered to do something that it prohibits? You might not like it, but there it is. There are plenty of options for gay people, but some gay militants want everything their way.[/p][/quote]That was covered above by WormsHero: "Aye, I guess all followers of christianity abstain from eating foods from fields where more than one type of crop is grown, and refuse to wear clothing made from mixed cloth (Leviticus 19:19) too? The old testament is basically ignored these days, except to support bigoted claims. If you're anti gay because of "god's word" and you do either of the above, eat any fat (Leviticus 3:17 - all fat is god's, you must not any fat), eat pig (leviticus 11:7), or sell land (leviticus 25: 23) then you're a hypocrite. Very few people actually follow leviticus completely, they just pick and choose the bits they want to hold against other people." Ritchie_Hicks
  • Score: -1

7:50pm Fri 16 May 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
romantic wrote:
Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
super waluigi wrote:
A Very Private Gentleman wrote:
For £350 to £400 you can go to Heart Of Italy Tour in Chanciamo with Shearings, They will take you on an all day visit to Rome. In temperatures of 37 to 40 degrees, you will sit in St Peters Square and then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for. In an instant you will understand why there is religion. Last night I had 24 thumbs ups on this post, because readers during the day are all the normal gazette types generally NOT from Colchester. As soon as the 6pm bigots came on line, I noticed all the thumbs up posts where gone.
A moment ago I wrote, "Then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for, in an instant you will understand why there is religion". Why you ask ? My answer to you is because at the end of your days. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE !
AVPG:
PS: Less is more Boris, especially where life is concerned, all factors of it.
I don't think anyone is suggesting God might be fictional or real, as this is irrelivent. A good atheist like myself will allow Muslim, Christian or Jewish people to have their opinion. No one can be certain if heaven is real or if the Big Bang theory was how Earth evolved, so only narrow minded people unable to take on other peoples perspective will criticise other ideas.

This is the exact reason why I have a problem with the church not allowing gay marriages. An idea that being gay is almost like having a disease was still considered logical up until the 1980's, so I can understand the churches stance on gay marriage. But now we are 100% sure that being gay is a possibility for everyone, effected by our DNA, like our eye colour or shoe size
I cannot understand how the church cannot allow marriages of gay people.

Just to make a note, many schools in colchester are religious. Many parents will put their children through education with religion in their mind and push their children into marriage at their local church, are we saying teenagers who might think they are gay should put their teacher and parents wishes before their own emotions?
And how many hetrosexual couples have the "big church white wedding" having not stepped a foot in a church for 15+ years? Churches will happilly accept that. Hypocrisy!
A very good point! I suspect that many couples end up in big church weddings due to pressure from family, especially if said family is footing the bill! When I got married, it was a non-religious ceremony because we are not Church-goers. Any other way would have been hypocritical. I've been to loads of weddings where I know full well that neither person has ever been a regular church attender, but they do it in church because that's what you do!

The furore over a letter sent in error is a storm in a teacup, but on the wider theme, I really don't see the problem if two gay people want to marry in church, if they are believers. Does anybody really think that society is going to crumble because two people who love each other are signing up to commit to each other for the rest of their lives? This is 2014, not 1934!
100% with you on that.

My wife and I got married in Colchester Town Hall. The staff were fantastic, the venue was great, we hired the Mayor's balcony and the sun was shining. No church, no need!
Sorry Richard, in the eyes of GOD you are not married. You are married in the eyes of British Law though.
Those performing marriage in civil ceremonies technically should not be attending church or receiving Holy Communion either.
This is why there is so much pain and anguish in our daily lives, because mortal holy rules are clearly bent or broken. AVPG:
[quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]romantic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Very Private Gentleman[/bold] wrote: For £350 to £400 you can go to Heart Of Italy Tour in Chanciamo with Shearings, They will take you on an all day visit to Rome. In temperatures of 37 to 40 degrees, you will sit in St Peters Square and then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for. In an instant you will understand why there is religion. Last night I had 24 thumbs ups on this post, because readers during the day are all the normal gazette types generally NOT from Colchester. As soon as the 6pm bigots came on line, I noticed all the thumbs up posts where gone. A moment ago I wrote, "Then you will realise why there is a GOD and what you are here for, in an instant you will understand why there is religion". Why you ask ? My answer to you is because at the end of your days. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE ! AVPG: PS: Less is more Boris, especially where life is concerned, all factors of it.[/p][/quote]I don't think anyone is suggesting God might be fictional or real, as this is irrelivent. A good atheist like myself will allow Muslim, Christian or Jewish people to have their opinion. No one can be certain if heaven is real or if the Big Bang theory was how Earth evolved, so only narrow minded people unable to take on other peoples perspective will criticise other ideas. This is the exact reason why I have a problem with the church not allowing gay marriages. An idea that being gay is almost like having a disease was still considered logical up until the 1980's, so I can understand the churches stance on gay marriage. But now we are 100% sure that being gay is a possibility for everyone, effected by our DNA, like our eye colour or shoe size I cannot understand how the church cannot allow marriages of gay people. Just to make a note, many schools in colchester are religious. Many parents will put their children through education with religion in their mind and push their children into marriage at their local church, are we saying teenagers who might think they are gay should put their teacher and parents wishes before their own emotions?[/p][/quote]And how many hetrosexual couples have the "big church white wedding" having not stepped a foot in a church for 15+ years? Churches will happilly accept that. Hypocrisy![/p][/quote]A very good point! I suspect that many couples end up in big church weddings due to pressure from family, especially if said family is footing the bill! When I got married, it was a non-religious ceremony because we are not Church-goers. Any other way would have been hypocritical. I've been to loads of weddings where I know full well that neither person has ever been a regular church attender, but they do it in church because that's what you do! The furore over a letter sent in error is a storm in a teacup, but on the wider theme, I really don't see the problem if two gay people want to marry in church, if they are believers. Does anybody really think that society is going to crumble because two people who love each other are signing up to commit to each other for the rest of their lives? This is 2014, not 1934![/p][/quote]100% with you on that. My wife and I got married in Colchester Town Hall. The staff were fantastic, the venue was great, we hired the Mayor's balcony and the sun was shining. No church, no need![/p][/quote]Sorry Richard, in the eyes of GOD you are not married. You are married in the eyes of British Law though. Those performing marriage in civil ceremonies technically should not be attending church or receiving Holy Communion either. This is why there is so much pain and anguish in our daily lives, because mortal holy rules are clearly bent or broken. AVPG: A Very Private Gentleman
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7:58pm Fri 16 May 14

wormshero says...

That's fine though, as marriage is a legal contract and something that existed long before christianity had anything to do with anyway. The 'in the eyes of the law' part is the important part. I doubt the people who get married outside the church really care if it's in the eyes of a character in the bible to be honest...
That's fine though, as marriage is a legal contract and something that existed long before christianity had anything to do with anyway. The 'in the eyes of the law' part is the important part. I doubt the people who get married outside the church really care if it's in the eyes of a character in the bible to be honest... wormshero
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11:46am Sat 17 May 14

Ritchie_Hicks says...

wormshero wrote:
That's fine though, as marriage is a legal contract and something that existed long before christianity had anything to do with anyway. The 'in the eyes of the law' part is the important part. I doubt the people who get married outside the church really care if it's in the eyes of a character in the bible to be honest...
I don't. I got married to make a commitment to my wife, not to a religion or God.
[quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: That's fine though, as marriage is a legal contract and something that existed long before christianity had anything to do with anyway. The 'in the eyes of the law' part is the important part. I doubt the people who get married outside the church really care if it's in the eyes of a character in the bible to be honest...[/p][/quote]I don't. I got married to make a commitment to my wife, not to a religion or God. Ritchie_Hicks
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1:41pm Sat 17 May 14

oOI Daza IOo says...

The fact of the matter is; Religion holds society back. Medicines, People's points of view, all sorts! Think about it, if the R.C's hadn't destroyed the Egyptians Medical Library, we would be a potential 300 years ahead of Science.

More to the point, everything has a creator right? So who created God? I ask this question to every Christian I meet, I'm not being narrow-minded, yes I am a man of science but I agree everybody is entitled to their own views on things. But again, how can anEntity such as 'God' be eternal?. One cannot simply think, 'Screw this, I'm going to exist from here-on-out. Everything has a beginning,
The fact of the matter is; Religion holds society back. Medicines, People's points of view, all sorts! Think about it, if the R.C's hadn't destroyed the Egyptians Medical Library, we would be a potential 300 years ahead of Science. More to the point, everything has a creator right? So who created God? I ask this question to every Christian I meet, I'm not being narrow-minded, yes I am a man of science but I agree everybody is entitled to their own views on things. But again, how can anEntity such as 'God' be eternal?. One cannot simply think, 'Screw this, I'm going to exist from here-on-out. Everything has a beginning, oOI Daza IOo
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9:30am Sun 18 May 14

Rhinestone Cowboy* says...

You want to be with another bloke that's your choice, the same with two birds wanting to be together. You don't use the house of God to justify your own rules,regulations and desires. The anus is not the right sexual means or method of loving contact. It was never designed to be used for intercourse. 2 men should not be together, 2 women should not be together either. Using a church to get married in is wrong. There is the old saying queers and steers.
You want to be with another bloke that's your choice, the same with two birds wanting to be together. You don't use the house of God to justify your own rules,regulations and desires. The anus is not the right sexual means or method of loving contact. It was never designed to be used for intercourse. 2 men should not be together, 2 women should not be together either. Using a church to get married in is wrong. There is the old saying queers and steers. Rhinestone Cowboy*
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2:46pm Sun 18 May 14

super waluigi says...

Rhinestone Cowboy* wrote:
You want to be with another bloke that's your choice, the same with two birds wanting to be together. You don't use the house of God to justify your own rules,regulations and desires. The anus is not the right sexual means or method of loving contact. It was never designed to be used for intercourse. 2 men should not be together, 2 women should not be together either. Using a church to get married in is wrong. There is the old saying queers and steers.
What a very narrow minded assessment of the world in general.

"The anus is not the right sexual means of love"???? Are you aware that heterosexual couples engage in sex acts other than missionary position? I feel very sorry for your wife, it must be like having intercourse with a corpse. But then again, she probably entertains herself, but by your reckoning, that is not normal either.
[quote][p][bold]Rhinestone Cowboy*[/bold] wrote: You want to be with another bloke that's your choice, the same with two birds wanting to be together. You don't use the house of God to justify your own rules,regulations and desires. The anus is not the right sexual means or method of loving contact. It was never designed to be used for intercourse. 2 men should not be together, 2 women should not be together either. Using a church to get married in is wrong. There is the old saying queers and steers.[/p][/quote]What a very narrow minded assessment of the world in general. "The anus is not the right sexual means of love"???? Are you aware that heterosexual couples engage in sex acts other than missionary position? I feel very sorry for your wife, it must be like having intercourse with a corpse. But then again, she probably entertains herself, but by your reckoning, that is not normal either. super waluigi
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7:37pm Mon 19 May 14

Rhinestone Cowboy* says...

Churches "ordered" to perform same-sex marriages

I read that headline after a couple of beers and it looked like

Churches to perform Oral S*X on marriages.

I have a drink habit and need glasses.
Churches "ordered" to perform same-sex marriages I read that headline after a couple of beers and it looked like Churches to perform Oral S*X on marriages. I have a drink habit and need glasses. Rhinestone Cowboy*
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