Protest planned at EDL wreath laying return

Essex County Standard: Last year's protest Last year's protest

ANTI-FASCISTS are planning to provide vocal opposition to an English Defence League gathering in Colchester this month.

The EDL wants to lay a wreath and hold a minute’s silence on Thursday, May 22 to mark the anniversary of the killing of soldier Lee Rigby.

But opponents of the group are planning to meet on the same day to make their disapproval known.

See Monday's Gazette for more

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4:50pm Mon 12 May 14

jut1972 says...

Not again. Neither side covered themselves in glory last time. What a waste of police resources this will be.
Not again. Neither side covered themselves in glory last time. What a waste of police resources this will be. jut1972
  • Score: 13

5:46pm Mon 12 May 14

Shaneblackdarkknight says...

Seems that the protestors are more twisted and passive aggressive than the edl all day long and only when they have police behind or should I say in front of them !
Seems that the protestors are more twisted and passive aggressive than the edl all day long and only when they have police behind or should I say in front of them ! Shaneblackdarkknight
  • Score: -1

6:23pm Mon 12 May 14

cynicalsubber says...

The EDL are ignorant scum, but the protest is misguided - far better to ignore those twisted individuals than get them any more publicity.
The EDL are ignorant scum, but the protest is misguided - far better to ignore those twisted individuals than get them any more publicity. cynicalsubber
  • Score: -1

8:11pm Mon 12 May 14

PaulWagland says...

I joined the anti-EDL protest last year, although I'm no huge fan of UAF. I left before things turned ugly, because I felt the point had been made.

I think the best course of action is to mount a counter-protest, but after a short while give way and allow the EDL to hold their gathering. They may be a bunch of half-witted fascist knuckle-draggers, but they still have a right to free speech.
I joined the anti-EDL protest last year, although I'm no huge fan of UAF. I left before things turned ugly, because I felt the point had been made. I think the best course of action is to mount a counter-protest, but after a short while give way and allow the EDL to hold their gathering. They may be a bunch of half-witted fascist knuckle-draggers, but they still have a right to free speech. PaulWagland
  • Score: 22

8:29pm Mon 12 May 14

wormshero says...

I'm strongly opposed to the EDL, they're a horrible 'organisation', but I would welcome them laying the wreath and observing a minute silence to remember Mark Rigby's death. Obviously, being the EDL, they'll likely use the opportunity to spread hate too and in that situation a counter protest is fine but I actually feel a bit easy about the anti-facists picketing the wreath/moment of silence instead. Something about picketing a memorial of the death of someone who is, by all sane accounts, not guilty of anything just doesn't sit right with me. If I were them I'd set up a picket a little bit further down the high street. Plenty of opportunity to exchange heated words with the EDL on their way to the memorial. but far enough back to not end up inadvertedly picketing it.

On a side not the photo in this article does a good job of making the EDL seem less like the thugs that they are, great job by the photographer for capturing what most thought was impossible.
I'm strongly opposed to the EDL, they're a horrible 'organisation', but I would welcome them laying the wreath and observing a minute silence to remember Mark Rigby's death. Obviously, being the EDL, they'll likely use the opportunity to spread hate too and in that situation a counter protest is fine but I actually feel a bit easy about the anti-facists picketing the wreath/moment of silence instead. Something about picketing a memorial of the death of someone who is, by all sane accounts, not guilty of anything just doesn't sit right with me. If I were them I'd set up a picket a little bit further down the high street. Plenty of opportunity to exchange heated words with the EDL on their way to the memorial. but far enough back to not end up inadvertedly picketing it. On a side not the photo in this article does a good job of making the EDL seem less like the thugs that they are, great job by the photographer for capturing what most thought was impossible. wormshero
  • Score: 9

8:31pm Mon 12 May 14

Colonel Kurtz says...

The so called anti fascist are the real fascists here
The so called anti fascist are the real fascists here Colonel Kurtz
  • Score: 5

8:44pm Mon 12 May 14

PaulWagland says...

Hey Colonel Kurtz, were you at the last demonstration? Did you see the EDL members threatening to 'sort out' the students, pensioners and young mothers in the opposing crowd? Did you see the EDL getting p!$$ed in the Castle pub before trying to lay their wreath? Did you see them sneak past the police lines into the back of the opposing protest and throw glass bottles back into their own positions to try and provoke a riot? No? Because I did. I saw all of that first hand.
Hey Colonel Kurtz, were you at the last demonstration? Did you see the EDL members threatening to 'sort out' the students, pensioners and young mothers in the opposing crowd? Did you see the EDL getting p!$$ed in the Castle pub before trying to lay their wreath? Did you see them sneak past the police lines into the back of the opposing protest and throw glass bottles back into their own positions to try and provoke a riot? No? Because I did. I saw all of that first hand. PaulWagland
  • Score: 8

8:49pm Mon 12 May 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

We had it all last year.
Tattooed wimps who fight in packs studs all over the shop.
One on one the same as Hells Angel biker gangs, they could not fight their way out of a paper bag.
They rely on a bundle and getting some poor bas***d on the ground and then stick the boot in.
They are the lowest of the low, if they had any balls they would join up and do the real thing. FIGHT FOR YOUR COUNTRY NOT EACH OTHER:
But oh no its back to mummy and a cup of tea, waiting to sign on the UB40 the next day.
It is Essex Police I feel sorry for. Our boys are having a hard time at the mo without having to get into bundles with that bunch.
I can't wait for the water cannon to arrive !
AVPG.
We had it all last year. Tattooed wimps who fight in packs studs all over the shop. One on one the same as Hells Angel biker gangs, they could not fight their way out of a paper bag. They rely on a bundle and getting some poor bas***d on the ground and then stick the boot in. They are the lowest of the low, if they had any balls they would join up and do the real thing. FIGHT FOR YOUR COUNTRY NOT EACH OTHER: But oh no its back to mummy and a cup of tea, waiting to sign on the UB40 the next day. It is Essex Police I feel sorry for. Our boys are having a hard time at the mo without having to get into bundles with that bunch. I can't wait for the water cannon to arrive ! AVPG. A Very Private Gentleman
  • Score: -1

8:51pm Mon 12 May 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

PaulWagland wrote:
Hey Colonel Kurtz, were you at the last demonstration? Did you see the EDL members threatening to 'sort out' the students, pensioners and young mothers in the opposing crowd? Did you see the EDL getting p!$$ed in the Castle pub before trying to lay their wreath? Did you see them sneak past the police lines into the back of the opposing protest and throw glass bottles back into their own positions to try and provoke a riot? No? Because I did. I saw all of that first hand.
Good one !
[quote][p][bold]PaulWagland[/bold] wrote: Hey Colonel Kurtz, were you at the last demonstration? Did you see the EDL members threatening to 'sort out' the students, pensioners and young mothers in the opposing crowd? Did you see the EDL getting p!$$ed in the Castle pub before trying to lay their wreath? Did you see them sneak past the police lines into the back of the opposing protest and throw glass bottles back into their own positions to try and provoke a riot? No? Because I did. I saw all of that first hand.[/p][/quote]Good one ! A Very Private Gentleman
  • Score: 6

10:17pm Mon 12 May 14

Oliver Guiness says...

Just ignore them. Then no story.
Just ignore them. Then no story. Oliver Guiness
  • Score: 4

1:26am Tue 13 May 14

HIF1907olympia says...

Freedom of speech exists and thank God for that freedom . EDL are fully entitled to have their say and let's hope they do !! Atleast the EDL have the balls to stand up for the country which is being stripped of it's identity and culture etc . No Surrender !!
Freedom of speech exists and thank God for that freedom . EDL are fully entitled to have their say and let's hope they do !! Atleast the EDL have the balls to stand up for the country which is being stripped of it's identity and culture etc . No Surrender !! HIF1907olympia
  • Score: 9

7:24am Tue 13 May 14

super waluigi says...

I cannot stomach the thought of EDL. They are lowlife cowards. But if they want to lay a wreath for anyone, be it Lee Rigby, Jimmy Saville, bob Hodkins then they should be allowed to do so.
In my opinion, it is the press like the Gazette that should hang its head in shame. Should I have died at the hands if the 2 culprits last year, would they press have put so much emphasis on me being a plumber? Using the 'Soldier' word whips up a right storm.
And if the 2 culprits had said they committed the murder because 'their mum had given them chicken sandwiches every day for six years and they are bored of life' and not the Muslim thing, would the press have not just left them as insane?
It seems to me that the press love the idea of soldiers being Killed by a Muslim more than a human being killed by an idiot.
I cannot stomach the thought of EDL. They are lowlife cowards. But if they want to lay a wreath for anyone, be it Lee Rigby, Jimmy Saville, bob Hodkins then they should be allowed to do so. In my opinion, it is the press like the Gazette that should hang its head in shame. Should I have died at the hands if the 2 culprits last year, would they press have put so much emphasis on me being a plumber? Using the 'Soldier' word whips up a right storm. And if the 2 culprits had said they committed the murder because 'their mum had given them chicken sandwiches every day for six years and they are bored of life' and not the Muslim thing, would the press have not just left them as insane? It seems to me that the press love the idea of soldiers being Killed by a Muslim more than a human being killed by an idiot. super waluigi
  • Score: 6

8:30am Tue 13 May 14

RU Sirius says...

Last time, the EDL finished off their 'peaceful' wreath-laying with a mass straight-arm salute, just in case you had any doubts that they're a bunch of fascists.
Last time, the EDL finished off their 'peaceful' wreath-laying with a mass straight-arm salute, just in case you had any doubts that they're a bunch of fascists. RU Sirius
  • Score: 0

8:56am Tue 13 May 14

Jack222 says...

Will the EDL support a wreath for all the innocent civilians killed in Afghanistan?
Will the EDL support a wreath for all the innocent civilians killed in Afghanistan? Jack222
  • Score: -4

9:20am Tue 13 May 14

Jess Jephcott says...

I am in full support of anybody who wishes to honour one of fallen soldiers by laying a wreath. Those that I fear more are those who would deny to others that basic freedom of expression.
I am in full support of anybody who wishes to honour one of fallen soldiers by laying a wreath. Those that I fear more are those who would deny to others that basic freedom of expression. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: 3

9:29am Tue 13 May 14

romantic says...

wormshero wrote:
I'm strongly opposed to the EDL, they're a horrible 'organisation', but I would welcome them laying the wreath and observing a minute silence to remember Mark Rigby's death. Obviously, being the EDL, they'll likely use the opportunity to spread hate too and in that situation a counter protest is fine but I actually feel a bit easy about the anti-facists picketing the wreath/moment of silence instead. Something about picketing a memorial of the death of someone who is, by all sane accounts, not guilty of anything just doesn't sit right with me. If I were them I'd set up a picket a little bit further down the high street. Plenty of opportunity to exchange heated words with the EDL on their way to the memorial. but far enough back to not end up inadvertedly picketing it.

On a side not the photo in this article does a good job of making the EDL seem less like the thugs that they are, great job by the photographer for capturing what most thought was impossible.
Pretty much agree with you, wormshero. The EDL are basically a bunch of thugs who enjoy drinking and confrontation. Them latching onto the death of Lee Rigby is unfortunate though not unpredictable. I was at the protest last year for a while and am still in two minds about whether it was actually the best way to approach it. The thinking of the anti-fascist people is that we have to show the EDL that their views are not accepted by most people, and the way to do this is to confront them. The trouble is that the EDL seem to quite like confrontation.

I would say let them have their minute of silence. I doubt they mean it with any great conviction, but let them have it. While they do so, stand back at a good distance, and don't chant at them or shout. Just watch. Form a semi-circle, and just watch them in silence. After their minute, get lots of photos of them, get them out there onto Facebook and Twitter. Most of them will slink back into the pub after a few minutes. Their publicity might say that they "took Colchester", but who cares. The fact is that most of Colchester will just ignore them anyway. They may be big in a crowd, but they will not want their faces all over social media.

Agree also about the photo. I'm sure there are plenty of photos showing the EDL as they actually were and are.
[quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: I'm strongly opposed to the EDL, they're a horrible 'organisation', but I would welcome them laying the wreath and observing a minute silence to remember Mark Rigby's death. Obviously, being the EDL, they'll likely use the opportunity to spread hate too and in that situation a counter protest is fine but I actually feel a bit easy about the anti-facists picketing the wreath/moment of silence instead. Something about picketing a memorial of the death of someone who is, by all sane accounts, not guilty of anything just doesn't sit right with me. If I were them I'd set up a picket a little bit further down the high street. Plenty of opportunity to exchange heated words with the EDL on their way to the memorial. but far enough back to not end up inadvertedly picketing it. On a side not the photo in this article does a good job of making the EDL seem less like the thugs that they are, great job by the photographer for capturing what most thought was impossible.[/p][/quote]Pretty much agree with you, wormshero. The EDL are basically a bunch of thugs who enjoy drinking and confrontation. Them latching onto the death of Lee Rigby is unfortunate though not unpredictable. I was at the protest last year for a while and am still in two minds about whether it was actually the best way to approach it. The thinking of the anti-fascist people is that we have to show the EDL that their views are not accepted by most people, and the way to do this is to confront them. The trouble is that the EDL seem to quite like confrontation. I would say let them have their minute of silence. I doubt they mean it with any great conviction, but let them have it. While they do so, stand back at a good distance, and don't chant at them or shout. Just watch. Form a semi-circle, and just watch them in silence. After their minute, get lots of photos of them, get them out there onto Facebook and Twitter. Most of them will slink back into the pub after a few minutes. Their publicity might say that they "took Colchester", but who cares. The fact is that most of Colchester will just ignore them anyway. They may be big in a crowd, but they will not want their faces all over social media. Agree also about the photo. I'm sure there are plenty of photos showing the EDL as they actually were and are. romantic
  • Score: 2

9:32am Tue 13 May 14

Catchedicam says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
I am in full support of anybody who wishes to honour one of fallen soldiers by laying a wreath. Those that I fear more are those who would deny to others that basic freedom of expression.
The EDL don't want to Honour a fallen soldier, that is just something they have latched onto, because they know it will provoke outrage; they just want to use his memory as a token excuse to incite those that know what they really stand for. There would be a lot more fallen soldiers (and civilians) if they ever had the power they crave, and they would care not one jot.
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: I am in full support of anybody who wishes to honour one of fallen soldiers by laying a wreath. Those that I fear more are those who would deny to others that basic freedom of expression.[/p][/quote]The EDL don't want to Honour a fallen soldier, that is just something they have latched onto, because they know it will provoke outrage; they just want to use his memory as a token excuse to incite those that know what they really stand for. There would be a lot more fallen soldiers (and civilians) if they ever had the power they crave, and they would care not one jot. Catchedicam
  • Score: 3

11:18am Tue 13 May 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
I am in full support of anybody who wishes to honour one of fallen soldiers by laying a wreath. Those that I fear more are those who would deny to others that basic freedom of expression.
You Would !
AVPG:
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: I am in full support of anybody who wishes to honour one of fallen soldiers by laying a wreath. Those that I fear more are those who would deny to others that basic freedom of expression.[/p][/quote]You Would ! AVPG: A Very Private Gentleman
  • Score: -10

12:34pm Tue 13 May 14

Jess Jephcott says...

It is an interesting age that we live in. I am of a generation that grew up with respect for those that died on the battlefield for our future security. My dad fought the japs out in India and Burma for almost 5 years. I wear his medals with pride and never miss a Remembrance Day service. Yet now we have a generation of people who clearly have no respect for these brave men and for our modern day soildiers. I would guess that it the sort of people who are EDL members that would be first into battle should such a conflict ever happen again, whilst the great unwashed who post here would be the first to lie down and surrender. Anybody who honours Lee Rigby or any of our fallen soldiers has my support. Just leave them alone. Let them have their minute silence and let them be on their way. We all know that they would like to provoke a scuffle so why pander to them? I won't be there and I suggest that those self-appointed do-gooders who like to tell others how to think stay away also.
It is an interesting age that we live in. I am of a generation that grew up with respect for those that died on the battlefield for our future security. My dad fought the japs out in India and Burma for almost 5 years. I wear his medals with pride and never miss a Remembrance Day service. Yet now we have a generation of people who clearly have no respect for these brave men and for our modern day soildiers. I would guess that it the sort of people who are EDL members that would be first into battle should such a conflict ever happen again, whilst the great unwashed who post here would be the first to lie down and surrender. Anybody who honours Lee Rigby or any of our fallen soldiers has my support. Just leave them alone. Let them have their minute silence and let them be on their way. We all know that they would like to provoke a scuffle so why pander to them? I won't be there and I suggest that those self-appointed do-gooders who like to tell others how to think stay away also. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: 2

1:36pm Tue 13 May 14

wormshero says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
It is an interesting age that we live in. I am of a generation that grew up with respect for those that died on the battlefield for our future security. My dad fought the japs out in India and Burma for almost 5 years. I wear his medals with pride and never miss a Remembrance Day service. Yet now we have a generation of people who clearly have no respect for these brave men and for our modern day soildiers. I would guess that it the sort of people who are EDL members that would be first into battle should such a conflict ever happen again, whilst the great unwashed who post here would be the first to lie down and surrender. Anybody who honours Lee Rigby or any of our fallen soldiers has my support. Just leave them alone. Let them have their minute silence and let them be on their way. We all know that they would like to provoke a scuffle so why pander to them? I won't be there and I suggest that those self-appointed do-gooders who like to tell others how to think stay away also.
Why are the majority of EDL types not in the army already then? Definitely not disciplined enough to be in the army - personally I'd say having the kind of people who spend their days being outraged about foreigners and getting lairy/picking fights in groups on our frontlines kind of stupid - they'd be much more trouble than it's worth. Also you're confusing showing respect with using something terrible that happened to push an agenda. I respect the idea of a minutes silence and laying a wreath, but you'd be crazy to think that that's all they want from this - they'll use the opportunity to spread their xenophobic hate message and, if previous events are anything to go by, try and start a few fights while they have the protection of a large group. I think it's incredibly disrespectful to extort the memory of fallen soldiers to try and push an agenda of hate, and it's almost certainly not something the soldier himself would support, given the words from his family shortly after his death. You've made a huge leap to claim that by opposing a hate organisation you're somehow disrespecting soldiers (although, as I stated before, I would prefer that all groups involved would follow the minute of silence, whatever the purpose of it, to do otherwise would be diresepectful.)
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: It is an interesting age that we live in. I am of a generation that grew up with respect for those that died on the battlefield for our future security. My dad fought the japs out in India and Burma for almost 5 years. I wear his medals with pride and never miss a Remembrance Day service. Yet now we have a generation of people who clearly have no respect for these brave men and for our modern day soildiers. I would guess that it the sort of people who are EDL members that would be first into battle should such a conflict ever happen again, whilst the great unwashed who post here would be the first to lie down and surrender. Anybody who honours Lee Rigby or any of our fallen soldiers has my support. Just leave them alone. Let them have their minute silence and let them be on their way. We all know that they would like to provoke a scuffle so why pander to them? I won't be there and I suggest that those self-appointed do-gooders who like to tell others how to think stay away also.[/p][/quote]Why are the majority of EDL types not in the army already then? Definitely not disciplined enough to be in the army - personally I'd say having the kind of people who spend their days being outraged about foreigners and getting lairy/picking fights in groups on our frontlines kind of stupid - they'd be much more trouble than it's worth. Also you're confusing showing respect with using something terrible that happened to push an agenda. I respect the idea of a minutes silence and laying a wreath, but you'd be crazy to think that that's all they want from this - they'll use the opportunity to spread their xenophobic hate message and, if previous events are anything to go by, try and start a few fights while they have the protection of a large group. I think it's incredibly disrespectful to extort the memory of fallen soldiers to try and push an agenda of hate, and it's almost certainly not something the soldier himself would support, given the words from his family shortly after his death. You've made a huge leap to claim that by opposing a hate organisation you're somehow disrespecting soldiers (although, as I stated before, I would prefer that all groups involved would follow the minute of silence, whatever the purpose of it, to do otherwise would be diresepectful.) wormshero
  • Score: 6

2:03pm Tue 13 May 14

stevedawson says...

A tribute to murdered soldier.how can anybody object to that.what ever the rights and wrongs of either side.for gods sake have some repect.the poor man was killed by the scum of this earth.that is who any arguement should be with not with people laying a tribute.anti facist groups stay away.
A tribute to murdered soldier.how can anybody object to that.what ever the rights and wrongs of either side.for gods sake have some repect.the poor man was killed by the scum of this earth.that is who any arguement should be with not with people laying a tribute.anti facist groups stay away. stevedawson
  • Score: 7

6:17pm Tue 13 May 14

paperboy10 says...

PaulWagland wrote:
Hey Colonel Kurtz, were you at the last demonstration? Did you see the EDL members threatening to 'sort out' the students, pensioners and young mothers in the opposing crowd? Did you see the EDL getting p!$$ed in the Castle pub before trying to lay their wreath? Did you see them sneak past the police lines into the back of the opposing protest and throw glass bottles back into their own positions to try and provoke a riot? No? Because I did. I saw all of that first hand.
I spoke to some students after the event and was told that some protesters were spitting and swearing at the EDL last year. I hate EDL politics but the numbskulls that go down to these events and fight fire with fire are equally to blame for the trouble caused. People know the kind of people that tend to march with EDL so why provoke the situation?. Anyone has the right to lay a wreath in respect to the dead, this should not be protested, it is wrong and it makes you just as bad as they are. Grow up Colchester and act with some class and dignity.
[quote][p][bold]PaulWagland[/bold] wrote: Hey Colonel Kurtz, were you at the last demonstration? Did you see the EDL members threatening to 'sort out' the students, pensioners and young mothers in the opposing crowd? Did you see the EDL getting p!$$ed in the Castle pub before trying to lay their wreath? Did you see them sneak past the police lines into the back of the opposing protest and throw glass bottles back into their own positions to try and provoke a riot? No? Because I did. I saw all of that first hand.[/p][/quote]I spoke to some students after the event and was told that some protesters were spitting and swearing at the EDL last year. I hate EDL politics but the numbskulls that go down to these events and fight fire with fire are equally to blame for the trouble caused. People know the kind of people that tend to march with EDL so why provoke the situation?. Anyone has the right to lay a wreath in respect to the dead, this should not be protested, it is wrong and it makes you just as bad as they are. Grow up Colchester and act with some class and dignity. paperboy10
  • Score: 7

6:17pm Tue 13 May 14

paperboy10 says...

jut1972 wrote:
Not again. Neither side covered themselves in glory last time. What a waste of police resources this will be.
Totally agree.
[quote][p][bold]jut1972[/bold] wrote: Not again. Neither side covered themselves in glory last time. What a waste of police resources this will be.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. paperboy10
  • Score: 3

7:07pm Tue 13 May 14

Carlosfandangles says...

The whole anti brigade make me sick. I dont agree with the edl but I disagree with the anti brigade even more vehemently. Just because you disagree with their views does not give you the right to behave even worse. How many antis will hide their identity and cause conflict. Same with hunt sabs. Fox hunting is deplorable in this modern age but the actions of the hunt sabs is just as bad. Anyway I digress. Oxygen fuels fires....
The whole anti brigade make me sick. I dont agree with the edl but I disagree with the anti brigade even more vehemently. Just because you disagree with their views does not give you the right to behave even worse. How many antis will hide their identity and cause conflict. Same with hunt sabs. Fox hunting is deplorable in this modern age but the actions of the hunt sabs is just as bad. Anyway I digress. Oxygen fuels fires.... Carlosfandangles
  • Score: 6

8:53pm Tue 13 May 14

Jess Jephcott says...

If they have no audience they cannot spread their hate - assuming that the antis are correct in their view of the EDL. I don't know them but respect their right to hold a view. It takes two to cause a fight so stay away. Ignore them and they will go away as easily as they arrived.
If they have no audience they cannot spread their hate - assuming that the antis are correct in their view of the EDL. I don't know them but respect their right to hold a view. It takes two to cause a fight so stay away. Ignore them and they will go away as easily as they arrived. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: 3

11:16pm Tue 13 May 14

strawberry1 says...

How pathetic. Instead of these 2 groups arguing and protesting shouldn't people come to together to remember lee rigby?? Regardless of age sex colour beliefs!!!!!!!!!
How pathetic. Instead of these 2 groups arguing and protesting shouldn't people come to together to remember lee rigby?? Regardless of age sex colour beliefs!!!!!!!!! strawberry1
  • Score: 6

9:05am Wed 14 May 14

romantic says...

strawberry1 wrote:
How pathetic. Instead of these 2 groups arguing and protesting shouldn't people come to together to remember lee rigby?? Regardless of age sex colour beliefs!!!!!!!!!
Of course they should, but for both sides in this, it's not really about Lee Rigby the person. The EDL have grabbed hold of the name and made it part of their anti-Islamic viewpoint, against the wishes of his family. They are just using this as a catalyst to promote their racist views.

The best approach, in my view, would be to let them have their minute of silence, let them have their 10 minutes at the war memorial and ignore them. They won't be able to go more than 15 minutes without a pint anyway.

It seems to me that there are people on both sides who are itching for a confrontation, but neither side is that focussed on Lee Rigby. He might as well be Soldier X.
[quote][p][bold]strawberry1[/bold] wrote: How pathetic. Instead of these 2 groups arguing and protesting shouldn't people come to together to remember lee rigby?? Regardless of age sex colour beliefs!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Of course they should, but for both sides in this, it's not really about Lee Rigby the person. The EDL have grabbed hold of the name and made it part of their anti-Islamic viewpoint, against the wishes of his family. They are just using this as a catalyst to promote their racist views. The best approach, in my view, would be to let them have their minute of silence, let them have their 10 minutes at the war memorial and ignore them. They won't be able to go more than 15 minutes without a pint anyway. It seems to me that there are people on both sides who are itching for a confrontation, but neither side is that focussed on Lee Rigby. He might as well be Soldier X. romantic
  • Score: 0

9:37pm Wed 14 May 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

While you are there EDL, you might consider laying a wreath for the Colchester based soldier that was kicked to death outside the former LA Club in Military Road Colchester, some years ago. RIP to them both+
AVPG:+
While you are there EDL, you might consider laying a wreath for the Colchester based soldier that was kicked to death outside the former LA Club in Military Road Colchester, some years ago. RIP to them both+ AVPG:+ A Very Private Gentleman
  • Score: 6

12:04am Fri 16 May 14

colnecollective says...

Once again the EDL are going to bring their politics of hate to our town Our message to the EDL from the Colne Collective is you are not welcomed here. http://www.hopenotha
te.org.uk/blog/nick/
colchester-comes-tog
ether-3697
Once again the EDL are going to bring their politics of hate to our town Our message to the EDL from the Colne Collective is you are not welcomed here. http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/blog/nick/ colchester-comes-tog ether-3697 colnecollective
  • Score: -3

8:35am Tue 20 May 14

catflap1 says...

wormshero wrote:
Jess Jephcott wrote:
It is an interesting age that we live in. I am of a generation that grew up with respect for those that died on the battlefield for our future security. My dad fought the japs out in India and Burma for almost 5 years. I wear his medals with pride and never miss a Remembrance Day service. Yet now we have a generation of people who clearly have no respect for these brave men and for our modern day soildiers. I would guess that it the sort of people who are EDL members that would be first into battle should such a conflict ever happen again, whilst the great unwashed who post here would be the first to lie down and surrender. Anybody who honours Lee Rigby or any of our fallen soldiers has my support. Just leave them alone. Let them have their minute silence and let them be on their way. We all know that they would like to provoke a scuffle so why pander to them? I won't be there and I suggest that those self-appointed do-gooders who like to tell others how to think stay away also.
Why are the majority of EDL types not in the army already then? Definitely not disciplined enough to be in the army - personally I'd say having the kind of people who spend their days being outraged about foreigners and getting lairy/picking fights in groups on our frontlines kind of stupid - they'd be much more trouble than it's worth. Also you're confusing showing respect with using something terrible that happened to push an agenda. I respect the idea of a minutes silence and laying a wreath, but you'd be crazy to think that that's all they want from this - they'll use the opportunity to spread their xenophobic hate message and, if previous events are anything to go by, try and start a few fights while they have the protection of a large group. I think it's incredibly disrespectful to extort the memory of fallen soldiers to try and push an agenda of hate, and it's almost certainly not something the soldier himself would support, given the words from his family shortly after his death. You've made a huge leap to claim that by opposing a hate organisation you're somehow disrespecting soldiers (although, as I stated before, I would prefer that all groups involved would follow the minute of silence, whatever the purpose of it, to do otherwise would be diresepectful.)
Well at the risk of being abused by Mr Jephcott ...as is normal .... Jess I think you've well and truly come out and nailed your colours to the right wing fence.
[quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: It is an interesting age that we live in. I am of a generation that grew up with respect for those that died on the battlefield for our future security. My dad fought the japs out in India and Burma for almost 5 years. I wear his medals with pride and never miss a Remembrance Day service. Yet now we have a generation of people who clearly have no respect for these brave men and for our modern day soildiers. I would guess that it the sort of people who are EDL members that would be first into battle should such a conflict ever happen again, whilst the great unwashed who post here would be the first to lie down and surrender. Anybody who honours Lee Rigby or any of our fallen soldiers has my support. Just leave them alone. Let them have their minute silence and let them be on their way. We all know that they would like to provoke a scuffle so why pander to them? I won't be there and I suggest that those self-appointed do-gooders who like to tell others how to think stay away also.[/p][/quote]Why are the majority of EDL types not in the army already then? Definitely not disciplined enough to be in the army - personally I'd say having the kind of people who spend their days being outraged about foreigners and getting lairy/picking fights in groups on our frontlines kind of stupid - they'd be much more trouble than it's worth. Also you're confusing showing respect with using something terrible that happened to push an agenda. I respect the idea of a minutes silence and laying a wreath, but you'd be crazy to think that that's all they want from this - they'll use the opportunity to spread their xenophobic hate message and, if previous events are anything to go by, try and start a few fights while they have the protection of a large group. I think it's incredibly disrespectful to extort the memory of fallen soldiers to try and push an agenda of hate, and it's almost certainly not something the soldier himself would support, given the words from his family shortly after his death. You've made a huge leap to claim that by opposing a hate organisation you're somehow disrespecting soldiers (although, as I stated before, I would prefer that all groups involved would follow the minute of silence, whatever the purpose of it, to do otherwise would be diresepectful.)[/p][/quote]Well at the risk of being abused by Mr Jephcott ...as is normal .... Jess I think you've well and truly come out and nailed your colours to the right wing fence. catflap1
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