Swingers club to open in former deli

Nigel Taylor opposes the plans.

Nigel Taylor opposes the plans.

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A SWINGERS club with padded and lockable playrooms is set to open in Colchester.

The club would also boast a “kinky corner” for couples as well as “dark corner couches” and “optional viewing areas”.

The plans, for London Road, in Stanway, have been met with opposition from residents, who say the club is unsuitable for the area.

A small number of residents were told of the application by Colchester Council, but Nigel Taylor, of Back Lane, in Stanway, has seen growing opposition to the plans.

He said: “It is a completely inappropriate location for something like this.

“The number of people using it and the times of opening are unsuitable and we worry about the behaviour of people leaving it at 2am, not to mention the lack of parking and the traffic it could create.”

The club, called Mingles, would be open from 12pm to 2am Monday to Sunday would operate a bring you own alcohol policy.

Mr Taylor, 62, added: “We must also talk about the fear of crime, because the people who are going to be using it won’t be paying nightclub prices, they can bring whatever they want in having paid whatever price for it.”

Its website describes the club as: “The perfect place to meet other genuine like-minded adults in a soft, sensual, relaxed atmosphere.

“You will receive a warm welcome from our fun, friendly and helpful staff.

“You will be greeted by soft subtle lighting, beautiful decor, music to fit the mood and very sexy play areas.”

It adds: “The club is a non-pressured, chilled out private members club where you will feel relaxed and safe, somewhere you can come and meet a couple for the first time or have fun at one of our themed parties.

“Mingles has something for everyone so whether you are new to the scene or more experienced we are sure you will have a fantastic time.”

Mr Taylor added: “It seems from the website, they are jumping the gun a bit by telling people it will be opening soon.

“But there is still a long way to go.”

The application was submitted on January 1 and a consultation period ends today *THURS23*.

It has been called in by Sonia Lewis, borough councillor for Lexden, which means the application will be decided on by Colchester Council planning committee.

The 100sq m building was used as a Polish shop between 2010 and 2012. It has not been used since December 30, 2012.

The application is for change of use from retail to use as a private members social club.

 

'We're not all sex-crazed perverts'

THE man who is hoping to open a swingers club in Colchester says not all swingers are ”sex crazed perverts”.

Jason Woolf wants to open Mingles in London Road, in Lexden.

The club would have a kinky corner and locked, padded playrooms as well as a viewing gallery.

Neighbours have expressed concerns over the sort of people the club would attract, but Mr Woolf claims residents have nothing to worry about.

He said: “Our clients know swinging is frowned upon and so they are always discreet.

“They are professional people - we have police officers and office workers.

“The people who are in the lifestyle know we’re not all sex crazed perverts.

Essex County Standard:

“Sometimes you end up flirting with people and sometimes you end up having sex with them, but that’s neither expected nor guaranteed.”

Mr Woolf, 41 and a swinger himself, from Sawbridgeworth, near Harlow, has owned the building, a former printworks since 2009.

He came up with the idea after going to a swinger club in London with his partner, last year.

“I was in there and I thought to myself ‘this place is smaller than my Lexden building’.

“It was like a eureka moment and I thought ‘this is something we can do.’”

Mr Woolf hopes to open the club, which would host between 40 and 80 people a day, with his fiancee.

No one under the age of 25 would be allowed in.

He added: “I think swinging is probably frowned upon by people, but it is a very responsible environment and the ladies are in control, so they are not under threat and they like that.

“I understand residents will be uneasy, but with the type of club we have in mind, there won’t be anyone stumbling out of the club at 2am and doing donuts in their car or being sick in the street.

“They don’t want that and I don’t want that.”

Mr Woolf added anyone caught breaking strict noise and disturbance rules will have their membership revoked.

It is planned the club will be open to members on between Wednesday and Saturday.

On other days, it could be hired by other specialist groups.

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9:22am Fri 24 Jan 14

stevedawson says...

I'm sure there is a place for such a club,but stanway??
I'm sure there is a place for such a club,but stanway?? stevedawson
  • Score: 32

10:14am Fri 24 Jan 14

Hamiltonandy says...

Totally unacceptable to propose this offensive business in such a prominent position. The sad people who use this degrading business will inevitably spill out onto the pavement and cause public offence. A more suitable location would be the local Sodom and Gomorrah that is Queen Street. It could join an equally disgusting club located there. Should the applicant succeed in opening this obscenity in attractive Lexden I will be there every day until it closes protesting against this morally indefensible business. It is shameful that anyone would consider proposing this evil enterprise. I look forward to ensuring it is a financial failure.
Totally unacceptable to propose this offensive business in such a prominent position. The sad people who use this degrading business will inevitably spill out onto the pavement and cause public offence. A more suitable location would be the local Sodom and Gomorrah that is Queen Street. It could join an equally disgusting club located there. Should the applicant succeed in opening this obscenity in attractive Lexden I will be there every day until it closes protesting against this morally indefensible business. It is shameful that anyone would consider proposing this evil enterprise. I look forward to ensuring it is a financial failure. Hamiltonandy
  • Score: -34

10:22am Fri 24 Jan 14

PaulWagland says...

The people who get most angry about stuff like this are usually those most in need of a good lay. It's a private members club... how about a little live and let live?
The people who get most angry about stuff like this are usually those most in need of a good lay. It's a private members club... how about a little live and let live? PaulWagland
  • Score: 35

10:44am Fri 24 Jan 14

irememberwhen says...

Sounds great. Private members only, not harming anyone. No issues.
Sounds great. Private members only, not harming anyone. No issues. irememberwhen
  • Score: 39

10:46am Fri 24 Jan 14

All_talk_no_action says...

PaulWagland wrote:
The people who get most angry about stuff like this are usually those most in need of a good lay. It's a private members club... how about a little live and let live?
So true!
[quote][p][bold]PaulWagland[/bold] wrote: The people who get most angry about stuff like this are usually those most in need of a good lay. It's a private members club... how about a little live and let live?[/p][/quote]So true! All_talk_no_action
  • Score: -14

10:46am Fri 24 Jan 14

mirokou says...

Wouldn't want to be the cleaner
Wouldn't want to be the cleaner mirokou
  • Score: 57

11:04am Fri 24 Jan 14

Catchedicam says...

I wonder if they do group discounts?
I wonder if they do group discounts? Catchedicam
  • Score: -3

11:05am Fri 24 Jan 14

Jess Jephcott says...

I'm with Andy on this one. Sleepy Stanway does not need this sort of thing. Having lived close to one such unnofficial establishment in Prettygate, one would have thought that swingers would be better served (if that is the word) by visiting different private houses at different times. Whilst I accept that swinging is an interest for some peaople, I cannot see where there is a demand for a fixed location in, of all places, Stanway.
I'm with Andy on this one. Sleepy Stanway does not need this sort of thing. Having lived close to one such unnofficial establishment in Prettygate, one would have thought that swingers would be better served (if that is the word) by visiting different private houses at different times. Whilst I accept that swinging is an interest for some peaople, I cannot see where there is a demand for a fixed location in, of all places, Stanway. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: 15

11:21am Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

I am one of the part-owners of the proposed Private Member Club in Lexden, and also the finance of Jason Woolf. We totally understand some peoples concerns and lack of understanding of the lifestyle. We probably would have had the same concerns before entering the lifestyle ourselves. But since entering the lifestyle we now understand what a positive effect it has had on our own relationship in ways non swingers might find difficult to understand. There are a couple of good articles you may wish to read to better understand swinging http://www.examiner.
com/article/swinging
-vs-cheating-which-s
ounds-better? & http://www.libchrist
.com/new2002/college
paper.html

If anyone wishes to discuss any concerns they may have, we are very happy to talk to you all. Please contact me Rebecca on rebecca@mingles-club
.co.uk
I am one of the part-owners of the proposed Private Member Club in Lexden, and also the finance of Jason Woolf. We totally understand some peoples concerns and lack of understanding of the lifestyle. We probably would have had the same concerns before entering the lifestyle ourselves. But since entering the lifestyle we now understand what a positive effect it has had on our own relationship in ways non swingers might find difficult to understand. There are a couple of good articles you may wish to read to better understand swinging http://www.examiner. com/article/swinging -vs-cheating-which-s ounds-better? & http://www.libchrist .com/new2002/college paper.html If anyone wishes to discuss any concerns they may have, we are very happy to talk to you all. Please contact me Rebecca on rebecca@mingles-club .co.uk Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -12

11:22am Fri 24 Jan 14

All_talk_no_action says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
I'm with Andy on this one. Sleepy Stanway does not need this sort of thing. Having lived close to one such unnofficial establishment in Prettygate, one would have thought that swingers would be better served (if that is the word) by visiting different private houses at different times. Whilst I accept that swinging is an interest for some peaople, I cannot see where there is a demand for a fixed location in, of all places, Stanway.
Sleepy Stanway, tucked away in the rolling countryside.
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: I'm with Andy on this one. Sleepy Stanway does not need this sort of thing. Having lived close to one such unnofficial establishment in Prettygate, one would have thought that swingers would be better served (if that is the word) by visiting different private houses at different times. Whilst I accept that swinging is an interest for some peaople, I cannot see where there is a demand for a fixed location in, of all places, Stanway.[/p][/quote]Sleepy Stanway, tucked away in the rolling countryside. All_talk_no_action
  • Score: -6

11:29am Fri 24 Jan 14

Smartlad47 says...

Hamiltonandy wrote:
Totally unacceptable to propose this offensive business in such a prominent position. The sad people who use this degrading business will inevitably spill out onto the pavement and cause public offence. A more suitable location would be the local Sodom and Gomorrah that is Queen Street. It could join an equally disgusting club located there. Should the applicant succeed in opening this obscenity in attractive Lexden I will be there every day until it closes protesting against this morally indefensible business. It is shameful that anyone would consider proposing this evil enterprise. I look forward to ensuring it is a financial failure.
just protesting......or hoping for a freebee ?.......
[quote][p][bold]Hamiltonandy[/bold] wrote: Totally unacceptable to propose this offensive business in such a prominent position. The sad people who use this degrading business will inevitably spill out onto the pavement and cause public offence. A more suitable location would be the local Sodom and Gomorrah that is Queen Street. It could join an equally disgusting club located there. Should the applicant succeed in opening this obscenity in attractive Lexden I will be there every day until it closes protesting against this morally indefensible business. It is shameful that anyone would consider proposing this evil enterprise. I look forward to ensuring it is a financial failure.[/p][/quote]just protesting......or hoping for a freebee ?....... Smartlad47
  • Score: -20

11:34am Fri 24 Jan 14

Smartlad47 says...

All_talk_no_action wrote:
Jess Jephcott wrote:
I'm with Andy on this one. Sleepy Stanway does not need this sort of thing. Having lived close to one such unnofficial establishment in Prettygate, one would have thought that swingers would be better served (if that is the word) by visiting different private houses at different times. Whilst I accept that swinging is an interest for some peaople, I cannot see where there is a demand for a fixed location in, of all places, Stanway.
Sleepy Stanway, tucked away in the rolling countryside.
sleepy stanway with its noisy bus`s and lorries Police headquarters Ambulance station.all with blues and twos sounding, main parallel road to the A12...........yep...
.....i guess it is nice and sleepy there..........:0)
[quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: I'm with Andy on this one. Sleepy Stanway does not need this sort of thing. Having lived close to one such unnofficial establishment in Prettygate, one would have thought that swingers would be better served (if that is the word) by visiting different private houses at different times. Whilst I accept that swinging is an interest for some peaople, I cannot see where there is a demand for a fixed location in, of all places, Stanway.[/p][/quote]Sleepy Stanway, tucked away in the rolling countryside.[/p][/quote]sleepy stanway with its noisy bus`s and lorries Police headquarters Ambulance station.all with blues and twos sounding, main parallel road to the A12...........yep... .....i guess it is nice and sleepy there..........:0) Smartlad47
  • Score: 8

11:43am Fri 24 Jan 14

Smartlad47 says...

i dont have an opinion really, to be honest, as it doesnt affect me, BUT if the shop is right amongst flats and houses, either next door or above, i would think its not REALLY suitable area, i fully understand that people would be concerned, but if there are coming and goings ( sorry :0) ) until 2 am i think i`d get the hump, and if you want a successful business and the people of Colchester AND surrounding areas behind you, perhaps London Road isnt REALLY suitable.......... what about an out of town area...??? or at least somewhere not joined to any residential premises with 50 yrds of it ???...... just trying to think of an amicable solution where the doctors, Mp`s. sorry i mean clients and customers can go to relax and indulge in what they do......... perhaps a nicely converted office centre or industrial unit..??
i dont have an opinion really, to be honest, as it doesnt affect me, BUT if the shop is right amongst flats and houses, either next door or above, i would think its not REALLY suitable area, i fully understand that people would be concerned, but if there are coming and goings ( sorry :0) ) until 2 am i think i`d get the hump, and if you want a successful business and the people of Colchester AND surrounding areas behind you, perhaps London Road isnt REALLY suitable.......... what about an out of town area...??? or at least somewhere not joined to any residential premises with 50 yrds of it ???...... just trying to think of an amicable solution where the doctors, Mp`s. sorry i mean clients and customers can go to relax and indulge in what they do......... perhaps a nicely converted office centre or industrial unit..?? Smartlad47
  • Score: 21

11:46am Fri 24 Jan 14

stewycaz says...

Do you think they'll be coming out at 2am wearing masks and leather straps..no! It will be civilised and what happens behind closed doors stays behind closed doors. It doesn't sound like the people who frequent places like this and are going to be coming out drunk and rowdy like colchester town. I don't see the problem, I wouldn't mind it next door to me if it was quiet and they didn't park in my space!
Do you think they'll be coming out at 2am wearing masks and leather straps..no! It will be civilised and what happens behind closed doors stays behind closed doors. It doesn't sound like the people who frequent places like this and are going to be coming out drunk and rowdy like colchester town. I don't see the problem, I wouldn't mind it next door to me if it was quiet and they didn't park in my space! stewycaz
  • Score: 2

11:47am Fri 24 Jan 14

Nevtyler says...

Can't wait to join, bring it on!
Can't wait to join, bring it on! Nevtyler
  • Score: -4

12:08pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

Our apologies for the length of this post, please find below a copy of a letter we may disturb to local residents to help them better understand us, our business, and our lifestyle. At the bottom are contact details for both myself and Jason should you wish to discuss anything further.

Dear Sir/Madam.

We would like to apologise for any concerns our recent planning application (14001) in relation to 66a London Road, Lexden has caused local residents, particularly those living in Back Lane and along London Road.

There is a complete lack of information given in the application due to the minimal fields available within the planning application document. I can assure you that we have thought through our business intentions in great depth and the impact they would have on local residents.

To give you some background, I purchased the building in 2009 along with the printing company Mid Essex Printers which at the time was my main interest, I moved the business to Harlow to merge with my other printing company. The building was therefore no longer needed and I put it up for sale or for rent.

There was a tenant for a while, a polish grocery store but this caused some nuisance to the immediate commercial neighbours and there were additional problems such as rats from decaying food left at the back of the building etc.

I decided again to sell the building but no serious offers were received, I decided then that instead of putting in new tenants it would be best to find a use for the building myself that had little or no impact on the area and therefore I could control any issues.

As you have probably heard we are applying for change of use to open a private members club, this legal term sounds rather sinister and formidable on its own and I completely understand why people may be thinking this is going to be a blight on a nice area like Lexden.

Coupled with the proposed opening hours I can see why people would think this is going to be a replica of the rather unsavoury town centre situation when all the nightclubs close at the end of a night.

So to try and dispel any myths or rumours, our private members club is not a lap dancing club, brothel or massage parlour, it is a social meeting place for people in the swinging lifestyle.

Some objections have stated this will increase the level of crime in the area and residents will feel intimidated. People in the swinging lifestyle are usually aged between 35-65, they are usually affluent professionals that have reached a deep level of communication with their partners and due to the nature of the lifestyle have a genuine respect for those around them. Whilst many will bring their own alcohol and drink socially it is rare for anybody in the lifestyle to get too intoxicated as this would potentially spoil their own enjoyment of events.

Our building is very small we expect to only have between 40 and 80 people in attendance on any night so there will not be crowds of people arriving or leaving at the same time. We are the opposite to a town centre club/pub in the sense that people will naturally drift off home at different points through the evening rather than everyone stays until the end.

Our members are a discreet respectful bunch they realise that their lifestyle is mainly misunderstood and frowned upon by the majority therefore you can be assured they will not be making any noise or drawing attention to themselves entering or leaving the building.

Membership rules are strict in any club and we are easily able to guarantee that people will not be parking in Back Lane, members have to book in before arriving at the club so we can re-emphasise this point at the time and also qualify it when they arrive. It will be made clear that anyone found to be parking on Back Lane will have their membership cancelled immediately.

Most customers will travel an hour or more to get to this type of club and many will stay overnight in a local hotel (bringing business to the area) and will therefore arrive by taxi from the hotel, some will come as groups of 4 in a car. We do not expect a large number of parking spaces will be required, however anyone has the right to use the 24 hour public car park on London road regardless of if our club exists or it doesn't.



There are concerns over loud music being played. We have already done some of the refurbishment work within the building and a special material has been installed in the 'greyed-out' windows which works for both privacy and sound insulation. There are additional walls and doors being added so there is always at least one door shut between any areas that contain amplified music and the external areas.

The part of the building where music will be played is the oldest part of the building which is of a solid construction and the speakers will be mounted in the ceiling so they do not need to be turned up loud to be effective. With that said this is mainly a social club so music will be background music most of the time and dancing may only occur for short periods of time and not every night either.

Whilst we do have a commercial sound system it is a very small one, and when you consider the ages of our guests although we will play music at a level suitable for dancing it is not to be at the level a nightclub would have it at. We have already tested the sound system at 2am in the morning and using a mixture of decibel meters and also walking around outside using our own ears and common sense we do not believe this will be a nuisance to anybody. Car radios and traffic noise probably cause more of a nuisance.

In terms of the opening hours stated on the application form, this may be due to my own lack of experience in such matters, I simply put the maximum hours that we could ever imagine the club opening for. Our actual expected hours of opening are 7:30pm - 12 midnight Wednesday & Thursday and 8:30pm - 2am on Fridays & Saturdays.

It is likely we may hire the club out from time to time on the other available days and we have already had interest from two groups in the immediate area, so we have established a need for this type of building in the area. If the club is hired out, our own people will be on site to ensure similar rules as mentioned above are adhered to.

The business which is still to be formed will trade as Mingles-Club.co.uk and will be run by four business partners which are actually two couples. Between us we have experiencing running a number businesses and also one couple have managed a similar type of club in London.

Beyond the refurbishment of the building there will be no commercial deliveries, any supplies such as soft drinks will be brought by us in our cars for which we have two spaces at the front of the building.

We are hoping to get probationary permission for a period of a year so that we can demonstrate that our business will not have a negative impact on the area.

We would be very pleased to discuss any further concerns or issues you may have either via letter, text, phone or in person at your address or over coffee in our building so you can see what we are doing.


Please feel free to contact us:-

Jason Woolf - 07951 720997 - jason@mingles-club.c
o.uk
Rebecca Freeman - 07736 049266 - rebecca@mingles-club
.co.uk

66a London Road
Lexden
Colchester
CO3 4DF
Our apologies for the length of this post, please find below a copy of a letter we may disturb to local residents to help them better understand us, our business, and our lifestyle. At the bottom are contact details for both myself and Jason should you wish to discuss anything further. Dear Sir/Madam. We would like to apologise for any concerns our recent planning application (14001) in relation to 66a London Road, Lexden has caused local residents, particularly those living in Back Lane and along London Road. There is a complete lack of information given in the application due to the minimal fields available within the planning application document. I can assure you that we have thought through our business intentions in great depth and the impact they would have on local residents. To give you some background, I purchased the building in 2009 along with the printing company Mid Essex Printers which at the time was my main interest, I moved the business to Harlow to merge with my other printing company. The building was therefore no longer needed and I put it up for sale or for rent. There was a tenant for a while, a polish grocery store but this caused some nuisance to the immediate commercial neighbours and there were additional problems such as rats from decaying food left at the back of the building etc. I decided again to sell the building but no serious offers were received, I decided then that instead of putting in new tenants it would be best to find a use for the building myself that had little or no impact on the area and therefore I could control any issues. As you have probably heard we are applying for change of use to open a private members club, this legal term sounds rather sinister and formidable on its own and I completely understand why people may be thinking this is going to be a blight on a nice area like Lexden. Coupled with the proposed opening hours I can see why people would think this is going to be a replica of the rather unsavoury town centre situation when all the nightclubs close at the end of a night. So to try and dispel any myths or rumours, our private members club is not a lap dancing club, brothel or massage parlour, it is a social meeting place for people in the swinging lifestyle. Some objections have stated this will increase the level of crime in the area and residents will feel intimidated. People in the swinging lifestyle are usually aged between 35-65, they are usually affluent professionals that have reached a deep level of communication with their partners and due to the nature of the lifestyle have a genuine respect for those around them. Whilst many will bring their own alcohol and drink socially it is rare for anybody in the lifestyle to get too intoxicated as this would potentially spoil their own enjoyment of events. Our building is very small we expect to only have between 40 and 80 people in attendance on any night so there will not be crowds of people arriving or leaving at the same time. We are the opposite to a town centre club/pub in the sense that people will naturally drift off home at different points through the evening rather than everyone stays until the end. Our members are a discreet respectful bunch they realise that their lifestyle is mainly misunderstood and frowned upon by the majority therefore you can be assured they will not be making any noise or drawing attention to themselves entering or leaving the building. Membership rules are strict in any club and we are easily able to guarantee that people will not be parking in Back Lane, members have to book in before arriving at the club so we can re-emphasise this point at the time and also qualify it when they arrive. It will be made clear that anyone found to be parking on Back Lane will have their membership cancelled immediately. Most customers will travel an hour or more to get to this type of club and many will stay overnight in a local hotel (bringing business to the area) and will therefore arrive by taxi from the hotel, some will come as groups of 4 in a car. We do not expect a large number of parking spaces will be required, however anyone has the right to use the 24 hour public car park on London road regardless of if our club exists or it doesn't. There are concerns over loud music being played. We have already done some of the refurbishment work within the building and a special material has been installed in the 'greyed-out' windows which works for both privacy and sound insulation. There are additional walls and doors being added so there is always at least one door shut between any areas that contain amplified music and the external areas. The part of the building where music will be played is the oldest part of the building which is of a solid construction and the speakers will be mounted in the ceiling so they do not need to be turned up loud to be effective. With that said this is mainly a social club so music will be background music most of the time and dancing may only occur for short periods of time and not every night either. Whilst we do have a commercial sound system it is a very small one, and when you consider the ages of our guests although we will play music at a level suitable for dancing it is not to be at the level a nightclub would have it at. We have already tested the sound system at 2am in the morning and using a mixture of decibel meters and also walking around outside using our own ears and common sense we do not believe this will be a nuisance to anybody. Car radios and traffic noise probably cause more of a nuisance. In terms of the opening hours stated on the application form, this may be due to my own lack of experience in such matters, I simply put the maximum hours that we could ever imagine the club opening for. Our actual expected hours of opening are 7:30pm - 12 midnight Wednesday & Thursday and 8:30pm - 2am on Fridays & Saturdays. It is likely we may hire the club out from time to time on the other available days and we have already had interest from two groups in the immediate area, so we have established a need for this type of building in the area. If the club is hired out, our own people will be on site to ensure similar rules as mentioned above are adhered to. The business which is still to be formed will trade as Mingles-Club.co.uk and will be run by four business partners which are actually two couples. Between us we have experiencing running a number businesses and also one couple have managed a similar type of club in London. Beyond the refurbishment of the building there will be no commercial deliveries, any supplies such as soft drinks will be brought by us in our cars for which we have two spaces at the front of the building. We are hoping to get probationary permission for a period of a year so that we can demonstrate that our business will not have a negative impact on the area. We would be very pleased to discuss any further concerns or issues you may have either via letter, text, phone or in person at your address or over coffee in our building so you can see what we are doing. Please feel free to contact us:- Jason Woolf - 07951 720997 - jason@mingles-club.c o.uk Rebecca Freeman - 07736 049266 - rebecca@mingles-club .co.uk 66a London Road Lexden Colchester CO3 4DF Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -6

12:16pm Fri 24 Jan 14

stevedawson says...

Oh dear l and others have fallen into the trap.it was just free advertising.got a free one ed?
Oh dear l and others have fallen into the trap.it was just free advertising.got a free one ed? stevedawson
  • Score: 2

12:22pm Fri 24 Jan 14

CO6 resident says...

None of us are perfect, least of all myself. However, I am a repentant sinner and covered by the blood of Jesus, forgiven and justified by faith.

Repentance towards God means I acknowledge what sin is and at least try and behave more agreeably to God and my neighbour.

We can try and justify sinful practices all we like, but it doesn't alter anything. Jason, Rebecca and each of us need to accept Christ died for us in order that we might be set free from the bondage sin beings us into and be reconciled to a holy, loving God.
None of us are perfect, least of all myself. However, I am a repentant sinner and covered by the blood of Jesus, forgiven and justified by faith. Repentance towards God means I acknowledge what sin is and at least try and behave more agreeably to God and my neighbour. We can try and justify sinful practices all we like, but it doesn't alter anything. Jason, Rebecca and each of us need to accept Christ died for us in order that we might be set free from the bondage sin beings us into and be reconciled to a holy, loving God. CO6 resident
  • Score: -60

12:29pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

stevedawson wrote:
Oh dear l and others have fallen into the trap.it was just free advertising.got a free one ed?
I wonder if it was free advertising whether we may have had the chance to have our say before the article was written? This media coverage has stemmed only by local residents concerns over the club, concerns that we wish to help with by answering questions and being available to talk to. I doubt whether the majority of the readers will be our customers. Our customers will in fact be some of the lovely people we have met over the past few years in the lifestyle. Again we only wish to help and provide information to local residents. If we were honest we would have preferred that this had never been made public as we are a very private bunch of people and if the club had been up and running without this publicity you would never have known it existed from the point of view that it wouldn't have cause any disturbance to the local area or its residents. Rebecca
[quote][p][bold]stevedawson[/bold] wrote: Oh dear l and others have fallen into the trap.it was just free advertising.got a free one ed?[/p][/quote]I wonder if it was free advertising whether we may have had the chance to have our say before the article was written? This media coverage has stemmed only by local residents concerns over the club, concerns that we wish to help with by answering questions and being available to talk to. I doubt whether the majority of the readers will be our customers. Our customers will in fact be some of the lovely people we have met over the past few years in the lifestyle. Again we only wish to help and provide information to local residents. If we were honest we would have preferred that this had never been made public as we are a very private bunch of people and if the club had been up and running without this publicity you would never have known it existed from the point of view that it wouldn't have cause any disturbance to the local area or its residents. Rebecca Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -12

12:32pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

Suggest you get Jess and Andy on side Rebecca, they're a lovely couple! :)
Suggest you get Jess and Andy on side Rebecca, they're a lovely couple! :) Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: -14

12:34pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

CO6 resident wrote:
None of us are perfect, least of all myself. However, I am a repentant sinner and covered by the blood of Jesus, forgiven and justified by faith.

Repentance towards God means I acknowledge what sin is and at least try and behave more agreeably to God and my neighbour.

We can try and justify sinful practices all we like, but it doesn't alter anything. Jason, Rebecca and each of us need to accept Christ died for us in order that we might be set free from the bondage sin beings us into and be reconciled to a holy, loving God.
Thank you for your comment. Have you had a chance to look at one of the links we posted in our original comment? The article was posted by an online Christian movement, The Liberated Christians. It's a very interesting read.
[quote][p][bold]CO6 resident[/bold] wrote: None of us are perfect, least of all myself. However, I am a repentant sinner and covered by the blood of Jesus, forgiven and justified by faith. Repentance towards God means I acknowledge what sin is and at least try and behave more agreeably to God and my neighbour. We can try and justify sinful practices all we like, but it doesn't alter anything. Jason, Rebecca and each of us need to accept Christ died for us in order that we might be set free from the bondage sin beings us into and be reconciled to a holy, loving God.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your comment. Have you had a chance to look at one of the links we posted in our original comment? The article was posted by an online Christian movement, The Liberated Christians. It's a very interesting read. Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -16

12:34pm Fri 24 Jan 14

UndergroundOverground says...

CO6 resident wrote:
None of us are perfect, least of all myself. However, I am a repentant sinner and covered by the blood of Jesus, forgiven and justified by faith. Repentance towards God means I acknowledge what sin is and at least try and behave more agreeably to God and my neighbour. We can try and justify sinful practices all we like, but it doesn't alter anything. Jason, Rebecca and each of us need to accept Christ died for us in order that we might be set free from the bondage sin beings us into and be reconciled to a holy, loving God.
And dont forget Easter eggs are all delivered by an enormous rabbit and an obese man in a red suit delivers every single Christmas present in one single night with only the help of a few flying reindeer.
[quote][p][bold]CO6 resident[/bold] wrote: None of us are perfect, least of all myself. However, I am a repentant sinner and covered by the blood of Jesus, forgiven and justified by faith. Repentance towards God means I acknowledge what sin is and at least try and behave more agreeably to God and my neighbour. We can try and justify sinful practices all we like, but it doesn't alter anything. Jason, Rebecca and each of us need to accept Christ died for us in order that we might be set free from the bondage sin beings us into and be reconciled to a holy, loving God.[/p][/quote]And dont forget Easter eggs are all delivered by an enormous rabbit and an obese man in a red suit delivers every single Christmas present in one single night with only the help of a few flying reindeer. UndergroundOverground
  • Score: 15

12:37pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
Suggest you get Jess and Andy on side Rebecca, they're a lovely couple! :)
Thank you "Say it as it is OK?" Yes we would love to talk to both Jess and Andy and hear their views and thoughts further. We are on the end of the phone, email, twitter etc and will happily talk to anyone, anytime :-) We totally understand and respect that people have different opinions to us. Rebecca
[quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: Suggest you get Jess and Andy on side Rebecca, they're a lovely couple! :)[/p][/quote]Thank you "Say it as it is OK?" Yes we would love to talk to both Jess and Andy and hear their views and thoughts further. We are on the end of the phone, email, twitter etc and will happily talk to anyone, anytime :-) We totally understand and respect that people have different opinions to us. Rebecca Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -12

12:40pm Fri 24 Jan 14

totallyfootball says...

Ha, is this really worthy of any debate, as long as they stick to their own and don't cause problems let them get their kicks, like anything else it will probably be short lived?
Ha, is this really worthy of any debate, as long as they stick to their own and don't cause problems let them get their kicks, like anything else it will probably be short lived? totallyfootball
  • Score: -7

1:07pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

totallyfootball wrote:
Ha, is this really worthy of any debate, as long as they stick to their own and don't cause problems let them get their kicks, like anything else it will probably be short lived?
That's an interesting comment "totallyfootball" We certainly do not want to cause any problems for anyone. Swinging has been around for centurys so I doubt it will be short lived, in fact the number of couples partaking in the lifestyle is rising. Swinging is not about getting kicks as you say, it's about understanding that whilst you love someone and want to be with them, one person can not always be everything you want. The amount of divorces through affairs is also going up. We (Jason and I) have a relationship that is based on trust, communication and also allowing each other to have fantasies and desires that aren't hidden in the relationship. Everything is done on trust, openness and selflessness. Marriage and relationships outside the swinging world are sometimes (not always) based on both parties being unable to share desires because of fear of jealously and misunderstanding. Swinging clubs are just social places that people like Jason and I can go to to meet others who think the same as us. There really isn't anything sordid about it, we are doing what so many are doing secretly and behind their partners / spouses backs, we are just doing it openly and with consent and support of our partners. Rebecca
[quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: Ha, is this really worthy of any debate, as long as they stick to their own and don't cause problems let them get their kicks, like anything else it will probably be short lived?[/p][/quote]That's an interesting comment "totallyfootball" We certainly do not want to cause any problems for anyone. Swinging has been around for centurys so I doubt it will be short lived, in fact the number of couples partaking in the lifestyle is rising. Swinging is not about getting kicks as you say, it's about understanding that whilst you love someone and want to be with them, one person can not always be everything you want. The amount of divorces through affairs is also going up. We (Jason and I) have a relationship that is based on trust, communication and also allowing each other to have fantasies and desires that aren't hidden in the relationship. Everything is done on trust, openness and selflessness. Marriage and relationships outside the swinging world are sometimes (not always) based on both parties being unable to share desires because of fear of jealously and misunderstanding. Swinging clubs are just social places that people like Jason and I can go to to meet others who think the same as us. There really isn't anything sordid about it, we are doing what so many are doing secretly and behind their partners / spouses backs, we are just doing it openly and with consent and support of our partners. Rebecca Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -6

1:18pm Fri 24 Jan 14

CarryOnChaps says...

I used to work across the road from here, absolutely disgusted that it is opening when I don't work there anymore!

Seriously though, this is not a nightclub where people go to get legless, scoff a kebab then vomit all the way home. Anyone getting drunk will, as Rebecca I think said, spoil their own evening as others in the club will want nothing to do with them for starters. If they are drunk then they will probably upset someone with inappropriate behaviour or comments and will be chucked out of the club and probably banned.

The majority of visitors to the club will be couples, there will certainly be no large all-male groups as I have no doubt they would be immediately refused entry, as again, the genuine visitors would not appreciate the type of behaviour usually exhibited by those types of group, drunk or not.

P.S. How ironic that a pop-up for "Flirt4Free" appeared while looking at this story!
I used to work across the road from here, absolutely disgusted that it is opening when I don't work there anymore! Seriously though, this is not a nightclub where people go to get legless, scoff a kebab then vomit all the way home. Anyone getting drunk will, as Rebecca I think said, spoil their own evening as others in the club will want nothing to do with them for starters. If they are drunk then they will probably upset someone with inappropriate behaviour or comments and will be chucked out of the club and probably banned. The majority of visitors to the club will be couples, there will certainly be no large all-male groups as I have no doubt they would be immediately refused entry, as again, the genuine visitors would not appreciate the type of behaviour usually exhibited by those types of group, drunk or not. P.S. How ironic that a pop-up for "Flirt4Free" appeared while looking at this story! CarryOnChaps
  • Score: -11

1:20pm Fri 24 Jan 14

totallyfootball says...

Rebecca_Mingles wrote:
totallyfootball wrote:
Ha, is this really worthy of any debate, as long as they stick to their own and don't cause problems let them get their kicks, like anything else it will probably be short lived?
That's an interesting comment "totallyfootbal
l" We certainly do not want to cause any problems for anyone. Swinging has been around for centurys so I doubt it will be short lived, in fact the number of couples partaking in the lifestyle is rising. Swinging is not about getting kicks as you say, it's about understanding that whilst you love someone and want to be with them, one person can not always be everything you want. The amount of divorces through affairs is also going up. We (Jason and I) have a relationship that is based on trust, communication and also allowing each other to have fantasies and desires that aren't hidden in the relationship. Everything is done on trust, openness and selflessness. Marriage and relationships outside the swinging world are sometimes (not always) based on both parties being unable to share desires because of fear of jealously and misunderstanding. Swinging clubs are just social places that people like Jason and I can go to to meet others who think the same as us. There really isn't anything sordid about it, we are doing what so many are doing secretly and behind their partners / spouses backs, we are just doing it openly and with consent and support of our partners. Rebecca
Thanks for the reply Rebecca but quite frankly I could not giving a flying what you lot get up too, if you can't be satisfied with your partner in the comfort of your own home then that's your business, many things have been around for centuries but nothing comes with a guarantee to last for life. You mention yourself and Jason at very opportunity, a little self indulgence seems to be the order of the day but then as already stated each to their own. Please don't reply I am not really interested in anyone who reeks of being out for personal gain!
[quote][p][bold]Rebecca_Mingles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: Ha, is this really worthy of any debate, as long as they stick to their own and don't cause problems let them get their kicks, like anything else it will probably be short lived?[/p][/quote]That's an interesting comment "totallyfootbal l" We certainly do not want to cause any problems for anyone. Swinging has been around for centurys so I doubt it will be short lived, in fact the number of couples partaking in the lifestyle is rising. Swinging is not about getting kicks as you say, it's about understanding that whilst you love someone and want to be with them, one person can not always be everything you want. The amount of divorces through affairs is also going up. We (Jason and I) have a relationship that is based on trust, communication and also allowing each other to have fantasies and desires that aren't hidden in the relationship. Everything is done on trust, openness and selflessness. Marriage and relationships outside the swinging world are sometimes (not always) based on both parties being unable to share desires because of fear of jealously and misunderstanding. Swinging clubs are just social places that people like Jason and I can go to to meet others who think the same as us. There really isn't anything sordid about it, we are doing what so many are doing secretly and behind their partners / spouses backs, we are just doing it openly and with consent and support of our partners. Rebecca[/p][/quote]Thanks for the reply Rebecca but quite frankly I could not giving a flying what you lot get up too, if you can't be satisfied with your partner in the comfort of your own home then that's your business, many things have been around for centuries but nothing comes with a guarantee to last for life. You mention yourself and Jason at very opportunity, a little self indulgence seems to be the order of the day but then as already stated each to their own. Please don't reply I am not really interested in anyone who reeks of being out for personal gain! totallyfootball
  • Score: 14

1:31pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Scoot says...

Now I know why Mcdonalds wants to open 24-7......
Now I know why Mcdonalds wants to open 24-7...... Scoot
  • Score: 0

1:32pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

totallyfootball wrote:
Rebecca_Mingles wrote:
totallyfootball wrote:
Ha, is this really worthy of any debate, as long as they stick to their own and don't cause problems let them get their kicks, like anything else it will probably be short lived?
That's an interesting comment "totallyfootbal

l" We certainly do not want to cause any problems for anyone. Swinging has been around for centurys so I doubt it will be short lived, in fact the number of couples partaking in the lifestyle is rising. Swinging is not about getting kicks as you say, it's about understanding that whilst you love someone and want to be with them, one person can not always be everything you want. The amount of divorces through affairs is also going up. We (Jason and I) have a relationship that is based on trust, communication and also allowing each other to have fantasies and desires that aren't hidden in the relationship. Everything is done on trust, openness and selflessness. Marriage and relationships outside the swinging world are sometimes (not always) based on both parties being unable to share desires because of fear of jealously and misunderstanding. Swinging clubs are just social places that people like Jason and I can go to to meet others who think the same as us. There really isn't anything sordid about it, we are doing what so many are doing secretly and behind their partners / spouses backs, we are just doing it openly and with consent and support of our partners. Rebecca
Thanks for the reply Rebecca but quite frankly I could not giving a flying what you lot get up too, if you can't be satisfied with your partner in the comfort of your own home then that's your business, many things have been around for centuries but nothing comes with a guarantee to last for life. You mention yourself and Jason at very opportunity, a little self indulgence seems to be the order of the day but then as already stated each to their own. Please don't reply I am not really interested in anyone who reeks of being out for personal gain!
Thank you again for your comment, I totally respect your point of view and do not wish to change it. I am sorry as you asked me not to reply, however I would like to respond if I may? I mention myself and my partner as I am only trying to show that we are real people, with feelings and not just a name on the screen. I am not responding nor commenting for personal gain as the people viewing and commenting (as we have already stated) aren't our potential customers. We all have different views and opinions and it is up to all of us to try and understand each others without judgement. I for one would never judge you on any view, opinion, decision or life choice you make. I respect that you have different views to me. I hope you have a great weekend Totallyfootball :-)
[quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebecca_Mingles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: Ha, is this really worthy of any debate, as long as they stick to their own and don't cause problems let them get their kicks, like anything else it will probably be short lived?[/p][/quote]That's an interesting comment "totallyfootbal l" We certainly do not want to cause any problems for anyone. Swinging has been around for centurys so I doubt it will be short lived, in fact the number of couples partaking in the lifestyle is rising. Swinging is not about getting kicks as you say, it's about understanding that whilst you love someone and want to be with them, one person can not always be everything you want. The amount of divorces through affairs is also going up. We (Jason and I) have a relationship that is based on trust, communication and also allowing each other to have fantasies and desires that aren't hidden in the relationship. Everything is done on trust, openness and selflessness. Marriage and relationships outside the swinging world are sometimes (not always) based on both parties being unable to share desires because of fear of jealously and misunderstanding. Swinging clubs are just social places that people like Jason and I can go to to meet others who think the same as us. There really isn't anything sordid about it, we are doing what so many are doing secretly and behind their partners / spouses backs, we are just doing it openly and with consent and support of our partners. Rebecca[/p][/quote]Thanks for the reply Rebecca but quite frankly I could not giving a flying what you lot get up too, if you can't be satisfied with your partner in the comfort of your own home then that's your business, many things have been around for centuries but nothing comes with a guarantee to last for life. You mention yourself and Jason at very opportunity, a little self indulgence seems to be the order of the day but then as already stated each to their own. Please don't reply I am not really interested in anyone who reeks of being out for personal gain![/p][/quote]Thank you again for your comment, I totally respect your point of view and do not wish to change it. I am sorry as you asked me not to reply, however I would like to respond if I may? I mention myself and my partner as I am only trying to show that we are real people, with feelings and not just a name on the screen. I am not responding nor commenting for personal gain as the people viewing and commenting (as we have already stated) aren't our potential customers. We all have different views and opinions and it is up to all of us to try and understand each others without judgement. I for one would never judge you on any view, opinion, decision or life choice you make. I respect that you have different views to me. I hope you have a great weekend Totallyfootball :-) Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -9

1:33pm Fri 24 Jan 14

zt00013 says...

I wish this business all the best and hope it is successful. It would be terribly sad if this proposal were to be sunk by ignorant and vile people who seemingly equate swinging with deviance and criminal behaviour. A baseless assertion.

A timely reminder that there remains many unenlightened individuals in the UK and while we may live in a seemingly progressive and secular world it sometimes seems very far away indeed.
I wish this business all the best and hope it is successful. It would be terribly sad if this proposal were to be sunk by ignorant and vile people who seemingly equate swinging with deviance and criminal behaviour. A baseless assertion. A timely reminder that there remains many unenlightened individuals in the UK and while we may live in a seemingly progressive and secular world it sometimes seems very far away indeed. zt00013
  • Score: -13

1:36pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

CarryOnChaps wrote:
I used to work across the road from here, absolutely disgusted that it is opening when I don't work there anymore!

Seriously though, this is not a nightclub where people go to get legless, scoff a kebab then vomit all the way home. Anyone getting drunk will, as Rebecca I think said, spoil their own evening as others in the club will want nothing to do with them for starters. If they are drunk then they will probably upset someone with inappropriate behaviour or comments and will be chucked out of the club and probably banned.

The majority of visitors to the club will be couples, there will certainly be no large all-male groups as I have no doubt they would be immediately refused entry, as again, the genuine visitors would not appreciate the type of behaviour usually exhibited by those types of group, drunk or not.

P.S. How ironic that a pop-up for "Flirt4Free" appeared while looking at this story!
Thanks "CarryOnChaps" We appreciate your informed comment about swingers clubs. You are indeed correct in saying that groups of men, and any drunken behaviour is frowned upon in clubs and is something that we wouldn't tolerate from any member. Thanks again, have a great weekend. Rebecca
[quote][p][bold]CarryOnChaps[/bold] wrote: I used to work across the road from here, absolutely disgusted that it is opening when I don't work there anymore! Seriously though, this is not a nightclub where people go to get legless, scoff a kebab then vomit all the way home. Anyone getting drunk will, as Rebecca I think said, spoil their own evening as others in the club will want nothing to do with them for starters. If they are drunk then they will probably upset someone with inappropriate behaviour or comments and will be chucked out of the club and probably banned. The majority of visitors to the club will be couples, there will certainly be no large all-male groups as I have no doubt they would be immediately refused entry, as again, the genuine visitors would not appreciate the type of behaviour usually exhibited by those types of group, drunk or not. P.S. How ironic that a pop-up for "Flirt4Free" appeared while looking at this story![/p][/quote]Thanks "CarryOnChaps" We appreciate your informed comment about swingers clubs. You are indeed correct in saying that groups of men, and any drunken behaviour is frowned upon in clubs and is something that we wouldn't tolerate from any member. Thanks again, have a great weekend. Rebecca Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -9

1:43pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

zt00013 wrote:
I wish this business all the best and hope it is successful. It would be terribly sad if this proposal were to be sunk by ignorant and vile people who seemingly equate swinging with deviance and criminal behaviour. A baseless assertion.

A timely reminder that there remains many unenlightened individuals in the UK and while we may live in a seemingly progressive and secular world it sometimes seems very far away indeed.
Thank you "zt00013" We hope that the club will indeed be successful. We also hope that some opposed to the club may be able to understand a little better about the lifestyle and realise that we wish no disturbance to residents, and that their concerns are very important to us. Any response here and online in general is only to reassure those that are currently misunderstanding some of the media and information currently being posted / printed.

Thanks again, have a great weekend :-) Rebecca
[quote][p][bold]zt00013[/bold] wrote: I wish this business all the best and hope it is successful. It would be terribly sad if this proposal were to be sunk by ignorant and vile people who seemingly equate swinging with deviance and criminal behaviour. A baseless assertion. A timely reminder that there remains many unenlightened individuals in the UK and while we may live in a seemingly progressive and secular world it sometimes seems very far away indeed.[/p][/quote]Thank you "zt00013" We hope that the club will indeed be successful. We also hope that some opposed to the club may be able to understand a little better about the lifestyle and realise that we wish no disturbance to residents, and that their concerns are very important to us. Any response here and online in general is only to reassure those that are currently misunderstanding some of the media and information currently being posted / printed. Thanks again, have a great weekend :-) Rebecca Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -11

1:43pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Citizen 139 says...

Can't see the problem personally, good to see the owners doing a semi Q&A session here.
Can't see the problem personally, good to see the owners doing a semi Q&A session here. Citizen 139
  • Score: -5

1:48pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Oldbeforehistime says...

Cllassic nimby comments on here. No-one on here would have any objection if this was in town. As a life long resident of Colchester town centre we have to put up with everything that is thrown at us and are generally told by other residents 'if you don't like it you can always move' well I'm here to offer similar advice to those of sleepy Stanway. Join up, embrace it and chill out.
Cllassic nimby comments on here. No-one on here would have any objection if this was in town. As a life long resident of Colchester town centre we have to put up with everything that is thrown at us and are generally told by other residents 'if you don't like it you can always move' well I'm here to offer similar advice to those of sleepy Stanway. Join up, embrace it and chill out. Oldbeforehistime
  • Score: -9

1:48pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

Citizen 139 wrote:
Can't see the problem personally, good to see the owners doing a semi Q&A session here.
Thanks "Citizen139" We appreciate your comment, and yes we are only responding to try and help local people understand and give informative answers to their comments. It's understandable that due to lack of knowledge and facts that some have more negative views and we totally respect that. We are happy to answer any questions people may have. Rebecca
[quote][p][bold]Citizen 139[/bold] wrote: Can't see the problem personally, good to see the owners doing a semi Q&A session here.[/p][/quote]Thanks "Citizen139" We appreciate your comment, and yes we are only responding to try and help local people understand and give informative answers to their comments. It's understandable that due to lack of knowledge and facts that some have more negative views and we totally respect that. We are happy to answer any questions people may have. Rebecca Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -8

1:51pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Catchedicam says...

Well this proposal has certainly brought out the NIMBY brigade, amazing how many narrow minded, people we have in Colchester. Personally I don't see a problem in having this in a Colchester suburb, might even make Stanway more of a destination rather than just a passing through point on the way to the shops in Tollgate and back.
Well this proposal has certainly brought out the NIMBY brigade, amazing how many narrow minded, people we have in Colchester. Personally I don't see a problem in having this in a Colchester suburb, might even make Stanway more of a destination rather than just a passing through point on the way to the shops in Tollgate and back. Catchedicam
  • Score: -13

1:53pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Excuse the spelling says...

I don't really understand the concept?

If you wanna have sex, have it at home?
If you wanna socialise go to the pub?

Mixing the 2 seems pretty unhygienic.
I don't really understand the concept? If you wanna have sex, have it at home? If you wanna socialise go to the pub? Mixing the 2 seems pretty unhygienic. Excuse the spelling
  • Score: 12

1:55pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

Oldbeforehistime wrote:
Cllassic nimby comments on here. No-one on here would have any objection if this was in town. As a life long resident of Colchester town centre we have to put up with everything that is thrown at us and are generally told by other residents 'if you don't like it you can always move' well I'm here to offer similar advice to those of sleepy Stanway. Join up, embrace it and chill out.
Thanks "oldbeforehistime" for your support. we think that we all should have a say in what happens around the area where we live, and local people have a right to their opinions, we just hope that by giving residents the facts and more information they may be able to take a more informed view of the Club and it's location. Rebecca
[quote][p][bold]Oldbeforehistime[/bold] wrote: Cllassic nimby comments on here. No-one on here would have any objection if this was in town. As a life long resident of Colchester town centre we have to put up with everything that is thrown at us and are generally told by other residents 'if you don't like it you can always move' well I'm here to offer similar advice to those of sleepy Stanway. Join up, embrace it and chill out.[/p][/quote]Thanks "oldbeforehistime" for your support. we think that we all should have a say in what happens around the area where we live, and local people have a right to their opinions, we just hope that by giving residents the facts and more information they may be able to take a more informed view of the Club and it's location. Rebecca Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -12

2:00pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

Excuse the spelling wrote:
I don't really understand the concept?

If you wanna have sex, have it at home?
If you wanna socialise go to the pub?

Mixing the 2 seems pretty unhygienic.
Thanks for your comment. Many swingers do socialise within their own homes, and drink in pubs too. Some also like to meet new people in a clean, safe and social environment, which is what clubs provide. You might say why have pubs when you can drink at home? The concept is the same for a swingers club. People like to meet in a social place and make new friends. Rebecca
[quote][p][bold]Excuse the spelling[/bold] wrote: I don't really understand the concept? If you wanna have sex, have it at home? If you wanna socialise go to the pub? Mixing the 2 seems pretty unhygienic.[/p][/quote]Thanks for your comment. Many swingers do socialise within their own homes, and drink in pubs too. Some also like to meet new people in a clean, safe and social environment, which is what clubs provide. You might say why have pubs when you can drink at home? The concept is the same for a swingers club. People like to meet in a social place and make new friends. Rebecca Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -10

2:11pm Fri 24 Jan 14

romantic says...

The owners seem willing enough to answer queries, and it seems that this will not be a club where drunks are spilling out fighting. I am sure the people visiting it will not want to draw too much attention to themselves. In Shakespeare's terminology, drink heightens the desire but ruins the performance (something like that), so don't suppose there will be too many legless people stumbling out. The objection seems to be more about the activity inside, rather than the actual noise impact. Why not give it a year's licence to start with, to be reviewed after a few months, If there really are problems, then it can be looked at again. If not, then carry on.

I once drunkenly suggested such activities to Mrs R, but she gave me a look which said "Not in your dreams, pal", so I guess I won't be darkening the doors of Mingles, but it seems that it will be fully consenting adults doing what they choose to do, so don't see any problem!
The owners seem willing enough to answer queries, and it seems that this will not be a club where drunks are spilling out fighting. I am sure the people visiting it will not want to draw too much attention to themselves. In Shakespeare's terminology, drink heightens the desire but ruins the performance (something like that), so don't suppose there will be too many legless people stumbling out. The objection seems to be more about the activity inside, rather than the actual noise impact. Why not give it a year's licence to start with, to be reviewed after a few months, If there really are problems, then it can be looked at again. If not, then carry on. I once drunkenly suggested such activities to Mrs R, but she gave me a look which said "Not in your dreams, pal", so I guess I won't be darkening the doors of Mingles, but it seems that it will be fully consenting adults doing what they choose to do, so don't see any problem! romantic
  • Score: -6

2:15pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Excuse the spelling says...

Rebecca_Mingles wrote:
Excuse the spelling wrote:
I don't really understand the concept?

If you wanna have sex, have it at home?
If you wanna socialise go to the pub?

Mixing the 2 seems pretty unhygienic.
Thanks for your comment. Many swingers do socialise within their own homes, and drink in pubs too. Some also like to meet new people in a clean, safe and social environment, which is what clubs provide. You might say why have pubs when you can drink at home? The concept is the same for a swingers club. People like to meet in a social place and make new friends. Rebecca
Respect for answering all the comments on here. Its clear you really feel strongly about this, gota respect that.

Couldn't disagree with you more, but I respect you.

I hope there is a peaceful resolutions for all parties and that no harm comes of this. Not to you guys, not to the residents or the members.

Peace x
[quote][p][bold]Rebecca_Mingles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excuse the spelling[/bold] wrote: I don't really understand the concept? If you wanna have sex, have it at home? If you wanna socialise go to the pub? Mixing the 2 seems pretty unhygienic.[/p][/quote]Thanks for your comment. Many swingers do socialise within their own homes, and drink in pubs too. Some also like to meet new people in a clean, safe and social environment, which is what clubs provide. You might say why have pubs when you can drink at home? The concept is the same for a swingers club. People like to meet in a social place and make new friends. Rebecca[/p][/quote]Respect for answering all the comments on here. Its clear you really feel strongly about this, gota respect that. Couldn't disagree with you more, but I respect you. I hope there is a peaceful resolutions for all parties and that no harm comes of this. Not to you guys, not to the residents or the members. Peace x Excuse the spelling
  • Score: -13

2:24pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

romantic wrote:
The owners seem willing enough to answer queries, and it seems that this will not be a club where drunks are spilling out fighting. I am sure the people visiting it will not want to draw too much attention to themselves. In Shakespeare's terminology, drink heightens the desire but ruins the performance (something like that), so don't suppose there will be too many legless people stumbling out. The objection seems to be more about the activity inside, rather than the actual noise impact. Why not give it a year's licence to start with, to be reviewed after a few months, If there really are problems, then it can be looked at again. If not, then carry on.

I once drunkenly suggested such activities to Mrs R, but she gave me a look which said "Not in your dreams, pal", so I guess I won't be darkening the doors of Mingles, but it seems that it will be fully consenting adults doing what they choose to do, so don't see any problem!
Thank you for your comments! We would wholeheartedly support a decision to grant a temporary change of use, in order to **** any problems, and make changes if needed. We would never want to be a issue to local residents.
[quote][p][bold]romantic[/bold] wrote: The owners seem willing enough to answer queries, and it seems that this will not be a club where drunks are spilling out fighting. I am sure the people visiting it will not want to draw too much attention to themselves. In Shakespeare's terminology, drink heightens the desire but ruins the performance (something like that), so don't suppose there will be too many legless people stumbling out. The objection seems to be more about the activity inside, rather than the actual noise impact. Why not give it a year's licence to start with, to be reviewed after a few months, If there really are problems, then it can be looked at again. If not, then carry on. I once drunkenly suggested such activities to Mrs R, but she gave me a look which said "Not in your dreams, pal", so I guess I won't be darkening the doors of Mingles, but it seems that it will be fully consenting adults doing what they choose to do, so don't see any problem![/p][/quote]Thank you for your comments! We would wholeheartedly support a decision to grant a temporary change of use, in order to **** any problems, and make changes if needed. We would never want to be a issue to local residents. Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -12

2:28pm Fri 24 Jan 14

DNNNNN says...

CO6 resident wrote:
None of us are perfect, least of all myself. However, I am a repentant sinner and covered by the blood of Jesus, forgiven and justified by faith.

Repentance towards God means I acknowledge what sin is and at least try and behave more agreeably to God and my neighbour.

We can try and justify sinful practices all we like, but it doesn't alter anything. Jason, Rebecca and each of us need to accept Christ died for us in order that we might be set free from the bondage sin beings us into and be reconciled to a holy, loving God.
Free yourself from childish fairy tales and let go of the bondage that god brings.

Live a good life for goodness sake, not from fear of the boogy man.
[quote][p][bold]CO6 resident[/bold] wrote: None of us are perfect, least of all myself. However, I am a repentant sinner and covered by the blood of Jesus, forgiven and justified by faith. Repentance towards God means I acknowledge what sin is and at least try and behave more agreeably to God and my neighbour. We can try and justify sinful practices all we like, but it doesn't alter anything. Jason, Rebecca and each of us need to accept Christ died for us in order that we might be set free from the bondage sin beings us into and be reconciled to a holy, loving God.[/p][/quote]Free yourself from childish fairy tales and let go of the bondage that god brings. Live a good life for goodness sake, not from fear of the boogy man. DNNNNN
  • Score: 1

2:32pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

Rebecca_Mingles wrote:
romantic wrote:
The owners seem willing enough to answer queries, and it seems that this will not be a club where drunks are spilling out fighting. I am sure the people visiting it will not want to draw too much attention to themselves. In Shakespeare's terminology, drink heightens the desire but ruins the performance (something like that), so don't suppose there will be too many legless people stumbling out. The objection seems to be more about the activity inside, rather than the actual noise impact. Why not give it a year's licence to start with, to be reviewed after a few months, If there really are problems, then it can be looked at again. If not, then carry on.

I once drunkenly suggested such activities to Mrs R, but she gave me a look which said "Not in your dreams, pal", so I guess I won't be darkening the doors of Mingles, but it seems that it will be fully consenting adults doing what they choose to do, so don't see any problem!
Thank you for your comments! We would wholeheartedly support a decision to grant a temporary change of use, in order to **** any problems, and make changes if needed. We would never want to be a issue to local residents.
Apologies as the word assess seems to have been stared out on my previous comment.
[quote][p][bold]Rebecca_Mingles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]romantic[/bold] wrote: The owners seem willing enough to answer queries, and it seems that this will not be a club where drunks are spilling out fighting. I am sure the people visiting it will not want to draw too much attention to themselves. In Shakespeare's terminology, drink heightens the desire but ruins the performance (something like that), so don't suppose there will be too many legless people stumbling out. The objection seems to be more about the activity inside, rather than the actual noise impact. Why not give it a year's licence to start with, to be reviewed after a few months, If there really are problems, then it can be looked at again. If not, then carry on. I once drunkenly suggested such activities to Mrs R, but she gave me a look which said "Not in your dreams, pal", so I guess I won't be darkening the doors of Mingles, but it seems that it will be fully consenting adults doing what they choose to do, so don't see any problem![/p][/quote]Thank you for your comments! We would wholeheartedly support a decision to grant a temporary change of use, in order to **** any problems, and make changes if needed. We would never want to be a issue to local residents.[/p][/quote]Apologies as the word assess seems to have been stared out on my previous comment. Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -15

2:38pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

Excuse the spelling wrote:
Rebecca_Mingles wrote:
Excuse the spelling wrote:
I don't really understand the concept?

If you wanna have sex, have it at home?
If you wanna socialise go to the pub?

Mixing the 2 seems pretty unhygienic.
Thanks for your comment. Many swingers do socialise within their own homes, and drink in pubs too. Some also like to meet new people in a clean, safe and social environment, which is what clubs provide. You might say why have pubs when you can drink at home? The concept is the same for a swingers club. People like to meet in a social place and make new friends. Rebecca
Respect for answering all the comments on here. Its clear you really feel strongly about this, gota respect that.

Couldn't disagree with you more, but I respect you.

I hope there is a peaceful resolutions for all parties and that no harm comes of this. Not to you guys, not to the residents or the members.

Peace x
Thank you :-) We also hope for a resolution that everyone is happy with !
[quote][p][bold]Excuse the spelling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebecca_Mingles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excuse the spelling[/bold] wrote: I don't really understand the concept? If you wanna have sex, have it at home? If you wanna socialise go to the pub? Mixing the 2 seems pretty unhygienic.[/p][/quote]Thanks for your comment. Many swingers do socialise within their own homes, and drink in pubs too. Some also like to meet new people in a clean, safe and social environment, which is what clubs provide. You might say why have pubs when you can drink at home? The concept is the same for a swingers club. People like to meet in a social place and make new friends. Rebecca[/p][/quote]Respect for answering all the comments on here. Its clear you really feel strongly about this, gota respect that. Couldn't disagree with you more, but I respect you. I hope there is a peaceful resolutions for all parties and that no harm comes of this. Not to you guys, not to the residents or the members. Peace x[/p][/quote]Thank you :-) We also hope for a resolution that everyone is happy with ! Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -13

2:46pm Fri 24 Jan 14

purpleorange says...

Wow, well that's rattled some cages!
Personally its not somewhere i'm going to visit, or want to go! But...
I'm all for it! How narrow minded some people are fascinates me!
People that go for a quick bunk up with someone at the local Holiday Inn and such other places for a cheap nights stay... Are you going to appose them? What about the lovley drunken affair of people that are caught up alley ways having it away drunk, with people whos name they don't even know... Surely that's worse!!
Its not as if its going to have a massive offensive sign telling people what they do in there! It's not an illegal brothel or a crack den!!
The reality is that the gentleman's club on Queen St. causes far less commotion as a certain Club that's just up the road from it! But my gosh, how could that be so? As surely its full of drunken, seedy men???
I wish you all the luck with this, as for all the people saying we don't need this club in our town... Are you all really that informed or know what goes on in the 'swingers community' to be able to actually say that? I think not!
Wow, well that's rattled some cages! Personally its not somewhere i'm going to visit, or want to go! But... I'm all for it! How narrow minded some people are fascinates me! People that go for a quick bunk up with someone at the local Holiday Inn and such other places for a cheap nights stay... Are you going to appose them? What about the lovley drunken affair of people that are caught up alley ways having it away drunk, with people whos name they don't even know... Surely that's worse!! Its not as if its going to have a massive offensive sign telling people what they do in there! It's not an illegal brothel or a crack den!! The reality is that the gentleman's club on Queen St. causes far less commotion as a certain Club that's just up the road from it! But my gosh, how could that be so? As surely its full of drunken, seedy men??? I wish you all the luck with this, as for all the people saying we don't need this club in our town... Are you all really that informed or know what goes on in the 'swingers community' to be able to actually say that? I think not! purpleorange
  • Score: -12

2:51pm Fri 24 Jan 14

justwondering says...

It appears as though there has been a lot of scare-mongering among the local residents in relation to the opening of this club. It is surely obvious that this will be a very quiet club where people would never want to draw attention to themselves and therefore would never want to make a noise or cause nuisance, they would just want to be left alone.

I think it is admirable that the owners of the club have been open and honest, willing to answer questions and try to do their best for the local residents.

I sincerely hope the Councillors grant them permission to open and prove all of these people who are quick to judge, wrong. People have so many misconceptions of all types of people in society and this is one of them.

People who attend these clubs ARE usually professionals who hate the type of alcohol fuelled culture associated with the town centre, Lexden is actually the perfect setting for this establishment, quiet, discrete and upmarket. The residents should calm down and think straight before jumping to conclusions and spreading fear amongst each other.

As far as I am concerned, as a local resident there is absolutely nothing wrong with this private club opening and people should be ashamed of themselves for being so narrow-minded and scaremongering.

It has my wholehearted support and I hope with all sincerity that Colchester Council give them permission and at least give them a chance to prove you all wrong with your narrow-minded opinions.
It appears as though there has been a lot of scare-mongering among the local residents in relation to the opening of this club. It is surely obvious that this will be a very quiet club where people would never want to draw attention to themselves and therefore would never want to make a noise or cause nuisance, they would just want to be left alone. I think it is admirable that the owners of the club have been open and honest, willing to answer questions and try to do their best for the local residents. I sincerely hope the Councillors grant them permission to open and prove all of these people who are quick to judge, wrong. People have so many misconceptions of all types of people in society and this is one of them. People who attend these clubs ARE usually professionals who hate the type of alcohol fuelled culture associated with the town centre, Lexden is actually the perfect setting for this establishment, quiet, discrete and upmarket. The residents should calm down and think straight before jumping to conclusions and spreading fear amongst each other. As far as I am concerned, as a local resident there is absolutely nothing wrong with this private club opening and people should be ashamed of themselves for being so narrow-minded and scaremongering. It has my wholehearted support and I hope with all sincerity that Colchester Council give them permission and at least give them a chance to prove you all wrong with your narrow-minded opinions. justwondering
  • Score: -16

2:58pm Fri 24 Jan 14

justwondering says...

Would also like to add that if they had not applied for planning permission and had gone ahead, opening from the evening until 2am I doubt if anyone would have been any-the-wiser. At least they seem to be doing everything above board and legally.
Would also like to add that if they had not applied for planning permission and had gone ahead, opening from the evening until 2am I doubt if anyone would have been any-the-wiser. At least they seem to be doing everything above board and legally. justwondering
  • Score: -8

3:03pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

justwondering wrote:
It appears as though there has been a lot of scare-mongering among the local residents in relation to the opening of this club. It is surely obvious that this will be a very quiet club where people would never want to draw attention to themselves and therefore would never want to make a noise or cause nuisance, they would just want to be left alone.

I think it is admirable that the owners of the club have been open and honest, willing to answer questions and try to do their best for the local residents.

I sincerely hope the Councillors grant them permission to open and prove all of these people who are quick to judge, wrong. People have so many misconceptions of all types of people in society and this is one of them.

People who attend these clubs ARE usually professionals who hate the type of alcohol fuelled culture associated with the town centre, Lexden is actually the perfect setting for this establishment, quiet, discrete and upmarket. The residents should calm down and think straight before jumping to conclusions and spreading fear amongst each other.

As far as I am concerned, as a local resident there is absolutely nothing wrong with this private club opening and people should be ashamed of themselves for being so narrow-minded and scaremongering.

It has my wholehearted support and I hope with all sincerity that Colchester Council give them permission and at least give them a chance to prove you all wrong with your narrow-minded opinions.
Thank you "justwondering" We really appreciate your support as a local resident. We hope that more locals will understand that it is not are intention to make noise, affect the area or cause any distress with the opening of the club. We do however take their concerns on board and take them seriously.

Again we would like to reiterate that we are here to answer any concerns people have and to work, with not, against the local community. We can be contacted by email or phone, please see our previous posts for details - Rebecca
[quote][p][bold]justwondering[/bold] wrote: It appears as though there has been a lot of scare-mongering among the local residents in relation to the opening of this club. It is surely obvious that this will be a very quiet club where people would never want to draw attention to themselves and therefore would never want to make a noise or cause nuisance, they would just want to be left alone. I think it is admirable that the owners of the club have been open and honest, willing to answer questions and try to do their best for the local residents. I sincerely hope the Councillors grant them permission to open and prove all of these people who are quick to judge, wrong. People have so many misconceptions of all types of people in society and this is one of them. People who attend these clubs ARE usually professionals who hate the type of alcohol fuelled culture associated with the town centre, Lexden is actually the perfect setting for this establishment, quiet, discrete and upmarket. The residents should calm down and think straight before jumping to conclusions and spreading fear amongst each other. As far as I am concerned, as a local resident there is absolutely nothing wrong with this private club opening and people should be ashamed of themselves for being so narrow-minded and scaremongering. It has my wholehearted support and I hope with all sincerity that Colchester Council give them permission and at least give them a chance to prove you all wrong with your narrow-minded opinions.[/p][/quote]Thank you "justwondering" We really appreciate your support as a local resident. We hope that more locals will understand that it is not are intention to make noise, affect the area or cause any distress with the opening of the club. We do however take their concerns on board and take them seriously. Again we would like to reiterate that we are here to answer any concerns people have and to work, with not, against the local community. We can be contacted by email or phone, please see our previous posts for details - Rebecca Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -11

3:05pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

justwondering wrote:
Would also like to add that if they had not applied for planning permission and had gone ahead, opening from the evening until 2am I doubt if anyone would have been any-the-wiser. At least they seem to be doing everything above board and legally.
We have and will continue to do everything above board and within the law.
Please also note my previous comment was meant to say "work with, not against, the local community" My apologies for the grammatical error :-)
[quote][p][bold]justwondering[/bold] wrote: Would also like to add that if they had not applied for planning permission and had gone ahead, opening from the evening until 2am I doubt if anyone would have been any-the-wiser. At least they seem to be doing everything above board and legally.[/p][/quote]We have and will continue to do everything above board and within the law. Please also note my previous comment was meant to say "work with, not against, the local community" My apologies for the grammatical error :-) Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -8

3:09pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

purpleorange wrote:
Wow, well that's rattled some cages!
Personally its not somewhere i'm going to visit, or want to go! But...
I'm all for it! How narrow minded some people are fascinates me!
People that go for a quick bunk up with someone at the local Holiday Inn and such other places for a cheap nights stay... Are you going to appose them? What about the lovley drunken affair of people that are caught up alley ways having it away drunk, with people whos name they don't even know... Surely that's worse!!
Its not as if its going to have a massive offensive sign telling people what they do in there! It's not an illegal brothel or a crack den!!
The reality is that the gentleman's club on Queen St. causes far less commotion as a certain Club that's just up the road from it! But my gosh, how could that be so? As surely its full of drunken, seedy men???
I wish you all the luck with this, as for all the people saying we don't need this club in our town... Are you all really that informed or know what goes on in the 'swingers community' to be able to actually say that? I think not!
Thank you "purpleorange" for your support and comments :-) You are very correct in your comment about outside signage. It would be our intention to only have a very small sign to the left of the door, stating "private members club" with a small logo which incidentally is the initial "M" and not the full name of the club. The sign would be about the same size as a residential house name sign. No other signage would be put in the building.
[quote][p][bold]purpleorange[/bold] wrote: Wow, well that's rattled some cages! Personally its not somewhere i'm going to visit, or want to go! But... I'm all for it! How narrow minded some people are fascinates me! People that go for a quick bunk up with someone at the local Holiday Inn and such other places for a cheap nights stay... Are you going to appose them? What about the lovley drunken affair of people that are caught up alley ways having it away drunk, with people whos name they don't even know... Surely that's worse!! Its not as if its going to have a massive offensive sign telling people what they do in there! It's not an illegal brothel or a crack den!! The reality is that the gentleman's club on Queen St. causes far less commotion as a certain Club that's just up the road from it! But my gosh, how could that be so? As surely its full of drunken, seedy men??? I wish you all the luck with this, as for all the people saying we don't need this club in our town... Are you all really that informed or know what goes on in the 'swingers community' to be able to actually say that? I think not![/p][/quote]Thank you "purpleorange" for your support and comments :-) You are very correct in your comment about outside signage. It would be our intention to only have a very small sign to the left of the door, stating "private members club" with a small logo which incidentally is the initial "M" and not the full name of the club. The sign would be about the same size as a residential house name sign. No other signage would be put in the building. Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -13

3:13pm Fri 24 Jan 14

justwondering says...

Your welcome Rebecca, best of luck with the club. I am very interested in the outcome and sincerely hope people will calm down and think about it sensibly.
Your welcome Rebecca, best of luck with the club. I am very interested in the outcome and sincerely hope people will calm down and think about it sensibly. justwondering
  • Score: -13

3:45pm Fri 24 Jan 14

stevedawson says...

I still say why stanway l know the a12 has easy access but l'm not sure the locals are being catered for at this type of venue with membership costs etc.judging by the responses the club might just be tolerated but not embraced.
I still say why stanway l know the a12 has easy access but l'm not sure the locals are being catered for at this type of venue with membership costs etc.judging by the responses the club might just be tolerated but not embraced. stevedawson
  • Score: -9

3:56pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

stevedawson wrote:
I still say why stanway l know the a12 has easy access but l'm not sure the locals are being catered for at this type of venue with membership costs etc.judging by the responses the club might just be tolerated but not embraced.
There isn't actually any clubs in the area Steve, and there is definitely call for this type of establishment. I didn't understand your comment about "locals not being catered for at this type of venue with membership costs"? Clubs are fairly consistent with pricing and membership costs and our club would be no different. The club would attract not only local people but also people from outside the area. Sorry
if I have misunderstood your comment at all?
[quote][p][bold]stevedawson[/bold] wrote: I still say why stanway l know the a12 has easy access but l'm not sure the locals are being catered for at this type of venue with membership costs etc.judging by the responses the club might just be tolerated but not embraced.[/p][/quote]There isn't actually any clubs in the area Steve, and there is definitely call for this type of establishment. I didn't understand your comment about "locals not being catered for at this type of venue with membership costs"? Clubs are fairly consistent with pricing and membership costs and our club would be no different. The club would attract not only local people but also people from outside the area. Sorry if I have misunderstood your comment at all? Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -20

4:06pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Jess Jephcott says...

My comments were meant to be tongue in cheek. I have no issues with this. All Saints Avenue had its own address for this and perhaps still has. We all used to chuckle about the goings on there. As far as I know, no harm was done to anybody and it gave many a taxi driver a laugh when dropping off or collecting a fare, what with naked folk cavorting about. Let the authorities decide. I certainly will not be a member though as I get my kicks in other ways in my version of normal life.
My comments were meant to be tongue in cheek. I have no issues with this. All Saints Avenue had its own address for this and perhaps still has. We all used to chuckle about the goings on there. As far as I know, no harm was done to anybody and it gave many a taxi driver a laugh when dropping off or collecting a fare, what with naked folk cavorting about. Let the authorities decide. I certainly will not be a member though as I get my kicks in other ways in my version of normal life. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: -18

4:09pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
Rebecca_Mingles wrote:
Rebecca_Mingles wrote:
romantic wrote:
The owners seem willing enough to answer queries, and it seems that this will not be a club where drunks are spilling out fighting. I am sure the people visiting it will not want to draw too much attention to themselves. In Shakespeare's terminology, drink heightens the desire but ruins the performance (something like that), so don't suppose there will be too many legless people stumbling out. The objection seems to be more about the activity inside, rather than the actual noise impact. Why not give it a year's licence to start with, to be reviewed after a few months, If there really are problems, then it can be looked at again. If not, then carry on.

I once drunkenly suggested such activities to Mrs R, but she gave me a look which said "Not in your dreams, pal", so I guess I won't be darkening the doors of Mingles, but it seems that it will be fully consenting adults doing what they choose to do, so don't see any problem!
Thank you for your comments! We would wholeheartedly support a decision to grant a temporary change of use, in order to **** any problems, and make changes if needed. We would never want to be a issue to local residents.
Apologies as the word assess seems to have been stared out on my previous comment.
You can't say a s s e s s or
a r s e
b u m
t I t on this forum Rebecca, still in the dark ages!

Credit to you for responding but this is sleepy old Colchester!
Interesting..... assess - must have written it incorrectly in first comment, oh well :-)
[quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebecca_Mingles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebecca_Mingles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]romantic[/bold] wrote: The owners seem willing enough to answer queries, and it seems that this will not be a club where drunks are spilling out fighting. I am sure the people visiting it will not want to draw too much attention to themselves. In Shakespeare's terminology, drink heightens the desire but ruins the performance (something like that), so don't suppose there will be too many legless people stumbling out. The objection seems to be more about the activity inside, rather than the actual noise impact. Why not give it a year's licence to start with, to be reviewed after a few months, If there really are problems, then it can be looked at again. If not, then carry on. I once drunkenly suggested such activities to Mrs R, but she gave me a look which said "Not in your dreams, pal", so I guess I won't be darkening the doors of Mingles, but it seems that it will be fully consenting adults doing what they choose to do, so don't see any problem![/p][/quote]Thank you for your comments! We would wholeheartedly support a decision to grant a temporary change of use, in order to **** any problems, and make changes if needed. We would never want to be a issue to local residents.[/p][/quote]Apologies as the word assess seems to have been stared out on my previous comment.[/p][/quote]You can't say a s s e s s or a r s e b u m t I t on this forum Rebecca, still in the dark ages! Credit to you for responding but this is sleepy old Colchester![/p][/quote]Interesting..... assess - must have written it incorrectly in first comment, oh well :-) Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -17

4:09pm Fri 24 Jan 14

SOMETHING2SAY says...

As the Yanks say " Show us yer **** " !!!!!!
As the Yanks say " Show us yer **** " !!!!!! SOMETHING2SAY
  • Score: -21

4:11pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
My comments were meant to be tongue in cheek. I have no issues with this. All Saints Avenue had its own address for this and perhaps still has. We all used to chuckle about the goings on there. As far as I know, no harm was done to anybody and it gave many a taxi driver a laugh when dropping off or collecting a fare, what with naked folk cavorting about. Let the authorities decide. I certainly will not be a member though as I get my kicks in other ways in my version of normal life.
Thanks Jess, we all have different ways of 'getting our kicks' in life! Have a great weekend.
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: My comments were meant to be tongue in cheek. I have no issues with this. All Saints Avenue had its own address for this and perhaps still has. We all used to chuckle about the goings on there. As far as I know, no harm was done to anybody and it gave many a taxi driver a laugh when dropping off or collecting a fare, what with naked folk cavorting about. Let the authorities decide. I certainly will not be a member though as I get my kicks in other ways in my version of normal life.[/p][/quote]Thanks Jess, we all have different ways of 'getting our kicks' in life! Have a great weekend. Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -24

4:41pm Fri 24 Jan 14

angus_mcoat_up says...

Great News, Hope it all goes well for you Rebecca, I've been to the club in Alconbury, I'm sure you know the one? & until you've actually been to one of these venues, you don't appreciate the clientele & their friendliness (no pun intended) They're not the sex maniac out of control types you would envisage, as Rebecca stated, the age range is varied & as she said, mostly between 30's to 60's. If it isn't your bag, then don't frown upon people who do enjoy these activities & friendship which ensue. If you have any doubts, just go, you don't have to do anything, just observe? I know of at least 3 couples in Colchester who go to clubs regularly & have loving happy marriages!
Don't judge people by their interests & what makes them happy, would you rather they loved one & all or go in town attacking one & all?
Great News, Hope it all goes well for you Rebecca, I've been to the club in Alconbury, I'm sure you know the one? & until you've actually been to one of these venues, you don't appreciate the clientele & their friendliness (no pun intended) They're not the sex maniac out of control types you would envisage, as Rebecca stated, the age range is varied & as she said, mostly between 30's to 60's. If it isn't your bag, then don't frown upon people who do enjoy these activities & friendship which ensue. If you have any doubts, just go, you don't have to do anything, just observe? I know of at least 3 couples in Colchester who go to clubs regularly & have loving happy marriages! Don't judge people by their interests & what makes them happy, would you rather they loved one & all or go in town attacking one & all? angus_mcoat_up
  • Score: -11

4:54pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

angus_mcoat_up wrote:
Great News, Hope it all goes well for you Rebecca, I've been to the club in Alconbury, I'm sure you know the one? & until you've actually been to one of these venues, you don't appreciate the clientele & their friendliness (no pun intended) They're not the sex maniac out of control types you would envisage, as Rebecca stated, the age range is varied & as she said, mostly between 30's to 60's. If it isn't your bag, then don't frown upon people who do enjoy these activities & friendship which ensue. If you have any doubts, just go, you don't have to do anything, just observe? I know of at least 3 couples in Colchester who go to clubs regularly & have loving happy marriages!
Don't judge people by their interests & what makes them happy, would you rather they loved one & all or go in town attacking one & all?
Thanks "anugus_mcoat_up" We really appreciate your kind comments and you taking the time too :-) We do indeed know the club you refer too, have been there many times! You are right that it isn't easy to understand the lifestyle unless you have experienced it, we have met such lovely, kind people and made such good friends through going to clubs. Thanks again, Rebecca
[quote][p][bold]angus_mcoat_up[/bold] wrote: Great News, Hope it all goes well for you Rebecca, I've been to the club in Alconbury, I'm sure you know the one? & until you've actually been to one of these venues, you don't appreciate the clientele & their friendliness (no pun intended) They're not the sex maniac out of control types you would envisage, as Rebecca stated, the age range is varied & as she said, mostly between 30's to 60's. If it isn't your bag, then don't frown upon people who do enjoy these activities & friendship which ensue. If you have any doubts, just go, you don't have to do anything, just observe? I know of at least 3 couples in Colchester who go to clubs regularly & have loving happy marriages! Don't judge people by their interests & what makes them happy, would you rather they loved one & all or go in town attacking one & all?[/p][/quote]Thanks "anugus_mcoat_up" We really appreciate your kind comments and you taking the time too :-) We do indeed know the club you refer too, have been there many times! You are right that it isn't easy to understand the lifestyle unless you have experienced it, we have met such lovely, kind people and made such good friends through going to clubs. Thanks again, Rebecca Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -13

5:03pm Fri 24 Jan 14

thehappyholly89 says...

I hardly think anyone commenting with disagreeing comments or how this 'abusive' buisness is opening on there back door have a valid point, I very much doubt there going to be going door to door to ask for volunteers! This is just another buisness that is filling an empty premises one of many of colchesters dieing trade! Good luck to owners as they start there new venture unfortunatly the small minded people of colchester will always have there opinions
I hardly think anyone commenting with disagreeing comments or how this 'abusive' buisness is opening on there back door have a valid point, I very much doubt there going to be going door to door to ask for volunteers! This is just another buisness that is filling an empty premises one of many of colchesters dieing trade! Good luck to owners as they start there new venture unfortunatly the small minded people of colchester will always have there opinions thehappyholly89
  • Score: -7

5:25pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

thehappyholly89 wrote:
I hardly think anyone commenting with disagreeing comments or how this 'abusive' buisness is opening on there back door have a valid point, I very much doubt there going to be going door to door to ask for volunteers! This is just another buisness that is filling an empty premises one of many of colchesters dieing trade! Good luck to owners as they start there new venture unfortunatly the small minded people of colchester will always have there opinions
Thank you for your comment thehappyholly89, we won't be advertising or asking for local volunteers you are quite right! Thank you for your good wishes ;-)
[quote][p][bold]thehappyholly89[/bold] wrote: I hardly think anyone commenting with disagreeing comments or how this 'abusive' buisness is opening on there back door have a valid point, I very much doubt there going to be going door to door to ask for volunteers! This is just another buisness that is filling an empty premises one of many of colchesters dieing trade! Good luck to owners as they start there new venture unfortunatly the small minded people of colchester will always have there opinions[/p][/quote]Thank you for your comment thehappyholly89, we won't be advertising or asking for local volunteers you are quite right! Thank you for your good wishes ;-) Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -13

5:52pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Hamiltonandy says...

The reason 66a London Road did not sell was firstly the price for this small and somewhat neglected building. Secondly I found, when inspecting another building, the same commercial agent quite unprofessional and I felt his actions not in the interests of the buyer or seller. Consequently I have refused to deal with this estate agent in future. Should the owner of 66a consider a realistic price and appoint a professional commercial agent then it might be worth looking at. I envisaged it would be ideal for a charitable electrical equipment repair business initially for the users of RNIB Talking Book players.
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It is shameful for the owner to inflict their dubious trade just because they could not get the price they wanted. It will be interesting to see how long the business is open.
The reason 66a London Road did not sell was firstly the price for this small and somewhat neglected building. Secondly I found, when inspecting another building, the same commercial agent quite unprofessional and I felt his actions not in the interests of the buyer or seller. Consequently I have refused to deal with this estate agent in future. Should the owner of 66a consider a realistic price and appoint a professional commercial agent then it might be worth looking at. I envisaged it would be ideal for a charitable electrical equipment repair business initially for the users of RNIB Talking Book players. . It is shameful for the owner to inflict their dubious trade just because they could not get the price they wanted. It will be interesting to see how long the business is open. Hamiltonandy
  • Score: 12

7:59pm Fri 24 Jan 14

shadylady says...

As a local resident living less than 300 yards from this I can honestly say when I bought my house I never in a million years thought that there would be something like this almost on my doorstep. I am not narrow minded and I appreciate that there are people that enjoy this way of life but I really don't think this is the best place for such an establishment. I would like to know if the proprietor of A1 models is entirely happy with this, my son always used to go there for train set and scalextric bits, but I don't think I would be overly happy for him to go there on his own when this place is open.
How many people that think this is ok actually live anywhere near it, I'm sorry but it isn't far off a knocking shop. What people do in the privacy of their own homes is up to them but l for one, along with several other people that live locally am not happy about this. It's alright to say if you don't like it then move but why should I....... I have lived here for more than 20 years and can't afford to move even if I wanted to.
Why don't the owners, who live miles away, open it on their doorstep instead!!!!
As a local resident living less than 300 yards from this I can honestly say when I bought my house I never in a million years thought that there would be something like this almost on my doorstep. I am not narrow minded and I appreciate that there are people that enjoy this way of life but I really don't think this is the best place for such an establishment. I would like to know if the proprietor of A1 models is entirely happy with this, my son always used to go there for train set and scalextric bits, but I don't think I would be overly happy for him to go there on his own when this place is open. How many people that think this is ok actually live anywhere near it, I'm sorry but it isn't far off a knocking shop. What people do in the privacy of their own homes is up to them but l for one, along with several other people that live locally am not happy about this. It's alright to say if you don't like it then move but why should I....... I have lived here for more than 20 years and can't afford to move even if I wanted to. Why don't the owners, who live miles away, open it on their doorstep instead!!!! shadylady
  • Score: 27

8:18pm Fri 24 Jan 14

shadylady says...

PaulWagland wrote:
The people who get most angry about stuff like this are usually those most in need of a good lay. It's a private members club... how about a little live and let live?
Definitely not the case.......is it on your doorstep may I ask?
[quote][p][bold]PaulWagland[/bold] wrote: The people who get most angry about stuff like this are usually those most in need of a good lay. It's a private members club... how about a little live and let live?[/p][/quote]Definitely not the case.......is it on your doorstep may I ask? shadylady
  • Score: 16

8:34pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

shadylady wrote:
As a local resident living less than 300 yards from this I can honestly say when I bought my house I never in a million years thought that there would be something like this almost on my doorstep. I am not narrow minded and I appreciate that there are people that enjoy this way of life but I really don't think this is the best place for such an establishment. I would like to know if the proprietor of A1 models is entirely happy with this, my son always used to go there for train set and scalextric bits, but I don't think I would be overly happy for him to go there on his own when this place is open.
How many people that think this is ok actually live anywhere near it, I'm sorry but it isn't far off a knocking shop. What people do in the privacy of their own homes is up to them but l for one, along with several other people that live locally am not happy about this. It's alright to say if you don't like it then move but why should I....... I have lived here for more than 20 years and can't afford to move even if I wanted to.
Why don't the owners, who live miles away, open it on their doorstep instead!!!!
Hi Shadylady - thank you for your comments, we appreciate that some local people have concerns and we are trying to address them as best we can. We do live in Sawbridgeworth, you are correct. We also own the building in Lexden. The building in Lexden was rented out and then left unoccupied for some months, we then decided to look into opening a club. We would happily open a club in Sawbridgeworth, however we don't own any property in Sawbridgeworth and we would be unable to purchase one at this time. On your point concerning your son and taking him to the model shop next door, I don't know if you read one of my previous comments regarding the opening hours? We won't be open at the same time as the model shop, and we won't have any signs on the outside of the building indicating what type of club it is. As for your comment regarding it not being far off a knocking shop, we and the swinging community would have nothing to do with such a place and do not and wouldn't ever partake in such a place. Knocking shops are, as far as I'm aware, illegal. Private members clubs or swinging club are legal and safe establishments. We would also never say that anyone should move if they don't like it, we are doing everything we can to ensure that we do not pose any issues for our neighbours, and would never want to upset or cause distress to any local residents. If you would like to talk further about any of the issues raised, please feel free to call or email me, or pop in to see us, anytime. Rebecca
[quote][p][bold]shadylady[/bold] wrote: As a local resident living less than 300 yards from this I can honestly say when I bought my house I never in a million years thought that there would be something like this almost on my doorstep. I am not narrow minded and I appreciate that there are people that enjoy this way of life but I really don't think this is the best place for such an establishment. I would like to know if the proprietor of A1 models is entirely happy with this, my son always used to go there for train set and scalextric bits, but I don't think I would be overly happy for him to go there on his own when this place is open. How many people that think this is ok actually live anywhere near it, I'm sorry but it isn't far off a knocking shop. What people do in the privacy of their own homes is up to them but l for one, along with several other people that live locally am not happy about this. It's alright to say if you don't like it then move but why should I....... I have lived here for more than 20 years and can't afford to move even if I wanted to. Why don't the owners, who live miles away, open it on their doorstep instead!!!![/p][/quote]Hi Shadylady - thank you for your comments, we appreciate that some local people have concerns and we are trying to address them as best we can. We do live in Sawbridgeworth, you are correct. We also own the building in Lexden. The building in Lexden was rented out and then left unoccupied for some months, we then decided to look into opening a club. We would happily open a club in Sawbridgeworth, however we don't own any property in Sawbridgeworth and we would be unable to purchase one at this time. On your point concerning your son and taking him to the model shop next door, I don't know if you read one of my previous comments regarding the opening hours? We won't be open at the same time as the model shop, and we won't have any signs on the outside of the building indicating what type of club it is. As for your comment regarding it not being far off a knocking shop, we and the swinging community would have nothing to do with such a place and do not and wouldn't ever partake in such a place. Knocking shops are, as far as I'm aware, illegal. Private members clubs or swinging club are legal and safe establishments. We would also never say that anyone should move if they don't like it, we are doing everything we can to ensure that we do not pose any issues for our neighbours, and would never want to upset or cause distress to any local residents. If you would like to talk further about any of the issues raised, please feel free to call or email me, or pop in to see us, anytime. Rebecca Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -16

8:50pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

Hamiltonandy wrote:
The reason 66a London Road did not sell was firstly the price for this small and somewhat neglected building. Secondly I found, when inspecting another building, the same commercial agent quite unprofessional and I felt his actions not in the interests of the buyer or seller. Consequently I have refused to deal with this estate agent in future. Should the owner of 66a consider a realistic price and appoint a professional commercial agent then it might be worth looking at. I envisaged it would be ideal for a charitable electrical equipment repair business initially for the users of RNIB Talking Book players.
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It is shameful for the owner to inflict their dubious trade just because they could not get the price they wanted. It will be interesting to see how long the business is open.
Hi Andy, thank you for your comments. As owners of the property in questions, we did put the building on the market for a time in spring last year, the property market was slow and whilst we did receive a couple of offers to sell, they were well below the asking price set by our estate agent. I'm sorry that you feel that the estate agent chosen was unprofessional, unfortunately we feel it would not be right to comment on this as the building is no longer for sale. We no longer wish to sell the building but thank you for your interest and wish you every success in the future finding a suitable building for your charitable electrical equipment repair business. Rebecca
[quote][p][bold]Hamiltonandy[/bold] wrote: The reason 66a London Road did not sell was firstly the price for this small and somewhat neglected building. Secondly I found, when inspecting another building, the same commercial agent quite unprofessional and I felt his actions not in the interests of the buyer or seller. Consequently I have refused to deal with this estate agent in future. Should the owner of 66a consider a realistic price and appoint a professional commercial agent then it might be worth looking at. I envisaged it would be ideal for a charitable electrical equipment repair business initially for the users of RNIB Talking Book players. . It is shameful for the owner to inflict their dubious trade just because they could not get the price they wanted. It will be interesting to see how long the business is open.[/p][/quote]Hi Andy, thank you for your comments. As owners of the property in questions, we did put the building on the market for a time in spring last year, the property market was slow and whilst we did receive a couple of offers to sell, they were well below the asking price set by our estate agent. I'm sorry that you feel that the estate agent chosen was unprofessional, unfortunately we feel it would not be right to comment on this as the building is no longer for sale. We no longer wish to sell the building but thank you for your interest and wish you every success in the future finding a suitable building for your charitable electrical equipment repair business. Rebecca Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -22

9:10pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Hamiltonandy says...

Planning application states opening from 12.00 hours to next morning 02.00 hours.
The arrogant applicant has already offended quite a few local residents judged by the objections sent to the planning office. Not one person expressed support.
All this hopeless planning application will do is waste a lot of the applicants money and local residents time.
Why not sell 66a London Road and lease a commercial property near your own home. Upset your neighbours there. Don't inflict your perverted way of life on us.
Planning application states opening from 12.00 hours to next morning 02.00 hours. The arrogant applicant has already offended quite a few local residents judged by the objections sent to the planning office. Not one person expressed support. All this hopeless planning application will do is waste a lot of the applicants money and local residents time. Why not sell 66a London Road and lease a commercial property near your own home. Upset your neighbours there. Don't inflict your perverted way of life on us. Hamiltonandy
  • Score: 18

9:36pm Fri 24 Jan 14

jut1972 says...

Your view Andy. Not everyone's. Live and let live.
Your view Andy. Not everyone's. Live and let live. jut1972
  • Score: -11

9:39pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

Hamiltonandy wrote:
Planning application states opening from 12.00 hours to next morning 02.00 hours.
The arrogant applicant has already offended quite a few local residents judged by the objections sent to the planning office. Not one person expressed support.
All this hopeless planning application will do is waste a lot of the applicants money and local residents time.
Why not sell 66a London Road and lease a commercial property near your own home. Upset your neighbours there. Don't inflict your perverted way of life on us.
Hi Andy, the application was indeed submitted with hours of 12noon through til 2am. This was a little naive of us as we thought by noting extended hours, we would be covered for the possibility of opening extra hours. We now realise that we should have only submitted the exact intended hours we hoped to open, we are now revising this, however we never intended to open in the afternoons. The earliest we would expect to open is 7.30pm. We are not in anyway trying to inflict our way of life on anyone. We would again like to thank you for your comments. We understand and respect your views and as we stated previously, wish you every success in your future business.
[quote][p][bold]Hamiltonandy[/bold] wrote: Planning application states opening from 12.00 hours to next morning 02.00 hours. The arrogant applicant has already offended quite a few local residents judged by the objections sent to the planning office. Not one person expressed support. All this hopeless planning application will do is waste a lot of the applicants money and local residents time. Why not sell 66a London Road and lease a commercial property near your own home. Upset your neighbours there. Don't inflict your perverted way of life on us.[/p][/quote]Hi Andy, the application was indeed submitted with hours of 12noon through til 2am. This was a little naive of us as we thought by noting extended hours, we would be covered for the possibility of opening extra hours. We now realise that we should have only submitted the exact intended hours we hoped to open, we are now revising this, however we never intended to open in the afternoons. The earliest we would expect to open is 7.30pm. We are not in anyway trying to inflict our way of life on anyone. We would again like to thank you for your comments. We understand and respect your views and as we stated previously, wish you every success in your future business. Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -19

9:40pm Fri 24 Jan 14

lm1234 says...

I know as a teenager my opinions will probably be brushed off, but I'm really quite uncomfortable with the proposed plans. I have to walk past there every day, much like many others my age taking into account the high amount of schools around the area. This kind of business will attract a lot of people with the intention for sex, and I know the vast majority will keep to themselves but no one can ignore the increase in risk. I don't want to be walking home in the dark evenings being in more fear. It's a perfectly reasonable business idea, just not in Stanway. I will just hope that Colchester Council will take this into consideration, though I'd never count on them to make good decisions.
I know as a teenager my opinions will probably be brushed off, but I'm really quite uncomfortable with the proposed plans. I have to walk past there every day, much like many others my age taking into account the high amount of schools around the area. This kind of business will attract a lot of people with the intention for sex, and I know the vast majority will keep to themselves but no one can ignore the increase in risk. I don't want to be walking home in the dark evenings being in more fear. It's a perfectly reasonable business idea, just not in Stanway. I will just hope that Colchester Council will take this into consideration, though I'd never count on them to make good decisions. lm1234
  • Score: 28

9:41pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

jut1972 wrote:
Your view Andy. Not everyone's. Live and let live.
Thanks Jut1972 :-)
[quote][p][bold]jut1972[/bold] wrote: Your view Andy. Not everyone's. Live and let live.[/p][/quote]Thanks Jut1972 :-) Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -19

9:54pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

lm1234 wrote:
I know as a teenager my opinions will probably be brushed off, but I'm really quite uncomfortable with the proposed plans. I have to walk past there every day, much like many others my age taking into account the high amount of schools around the area. This kind of business will attract a lot of people with the intention for sex, and I know the vast majority will keep to themselves but no one can ignore the increase in risk. I don't want to be walking home in the dark evenings being in more fear. It's a perfectly reasonable business idea, just not in Stanway. I will just hope that Colchester Council will take this into consideration, though I'd never count on them to make good decisions.
Hi Im1234, thank you for your comment. Your views are just as important as anyones! I'm sorry that you feel uncomfortable about the proposed plans, we don't wish to upset anyone. The types of people that come to clubs like ours are actually professional people and a lot of them also have children. They will be walking into the club much like any of us walk into a pub, takeaway or cinema. They will also be arriving at a time that you hopefully wouldn't be walking home alone, not at school home time. The times mentioned in previous comments and on our planning application are in fact incorrect and will be changed. I hope that helps a little with your concerns? If you have any other questions or concerns please just ask, Rebecca
[quote][p][bold]lm1234[/bold] wrote: I know as a teenager my opinions will probably be brushed off, but I'm really quite uncomfortable with the proposed plans. I have to walk past there every day, much like many others my age taking into account the high amount of schools around the area. This kind of business will attract a lot of people with the intention for sex, and I know the vast majority will keep to themselves but no one can ignore the increase in risk. I don't want to be walking home in the dark evenings being in more fear. It's a perfectly reasonable business idea, just not in Stanway. I will just hope that Colchester Council will take this into consideration, though I'd never count on them to make good decisions.[/p][/quote]Hi Im1234, thank you for your comment. Your views are just as important as anyones! I'm sorry that you feel uncomfortable about the proposed plans, we don't wish to upset anyone. The types of people that come to clubs like ours are actually professional people and a lot of them also have children. They will be walking into the club much like any of us walk into a pub, takeaway or cinema. They will also be arriving at a time that you hopefully wouldn't be walking home alone, not at school home time. The times mentioned in previous comments and on our planning application are in fact incorrect and will be changed. I hope that helps a little with your concerns? If you have any other questions or concerns please just ask, Rebecca Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -18

10:10pm Fri 24 Jan 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

PaulWagland wrote:
The people who get most angry about stuff like this are usually those most in need of a good lay. It's a private members club... how about a little live and let live?
I am surprised of the reaction especially as though are so many strange people living in Stanway.
Was not Stanway the official pea-do zone?
Technically its still in Colchester as the border is well passed Aldi at new farm road.
Waggers above quote is fairly correct Colchester people especially some of the girls are so stuck up and rather frigid you wonder where it emanates from?
I think its a great idea let us all get the opportunity to bang away!
Its about time we had an official brothel too and a call girl agencies, so of the girls in London would blow the average man's mind apart, they are amazing!
A dream come true and all your Christmases rolled into one in a single night.
I will tell you one good night with a hot blonde, would sort the gentleman out from the boys.
and there are many 15 second wonders out there!!!
You have only got one life so live it, sacrificing your existence for some high faluted goody two shoes opinion of others is all a load of testi*ales.
The club could hire a couple of radio control planes from next door and flay some banners around stanway "Swing over to our place":
All you lot that cant cope with it, or churchies that wave the flag of anti prim and proper promiscuity are hypocrites!
There have been more scandals in the cloth in this town than any other.
I agree with Waggers get a life lets mingle.
[quote][p][bold]PaulWagland[/bold] wrote: The people who get most angry about stuff like this are usually those most in need of a good lay. It's a private members club... how about a little live and let live?[/p][/quote]I am surprised of the reaction especially as though are so many strange people living in Stanway. Was not Stanway the official pea-do zone? Technically its still in Colchester as the border is well passed Aldi at new farm road. Waggers above quote is fairly correct Colchester people especially some of the girls are so stuck up and rather frigid you wonder where it emanates from? I think its a great idea let us all get the opportunity to bang away! Its about time we had an official brothel too and a call girl agencies, so of the girls in London would blow the average man's mind apart, they are amazing! A dream come true and all your Christmases rolled into one in a single night. I will tell you one good night with a hot blonde, would sort the gentleman out from the boys. and there are many 15 second wonders out there!!! You have only got one life so live it, sacrificing your existence for some high faluted goody two shoes opinion of others is all a load of testi*ales. The club could hire a couple of radio control planes from next door and flay some banners around stanway "Swing over to our place": All you lot that cant cope with it, or churchies that wave the flag of anti prim and proper promiscuity are hypocrites! There have been more scandals in the cloth in this town than any other. I agree with Waggers get a life lets mingle. A Very Private Gentleman
  • Score: -14

10:12pm Fri 24 Jan 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

stevedawson wrote:
I still say why stanway l know the a12 has easy access but l'm not sure the locals are being catered for at this type of venue with membership costs etc.judging by the responses the club might just be tolerated but not embraced.
Its not in Stanway its Lexden.

oops you are wrong for once what a travesty!
[quote][p][bold]stevedawson[/bold] wrote: I still say why stanway l know the a12 has easy access but l'm not sure the locals are being catered for at this type of venue with membership costs etc.judging by the responses the club might just be tolerated but not embraced.[/p][/quote]Its not in Stanway its Lexden. oops you are wrong for once what a travesty! A Very Private Gentleman
  • Score: 0

10:19pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

A Very Private Gentleman wrote:
PaulWagland wrote:
The people who get most angry about stuff like this are usually those most in need of a good lay. It's a private members club... how about a little live and let live?
I am surprised of the reaction especially as though are so many strange people living in Stanway.
Was not Stanway the official pea-do zone?
Technically its still in Colchester as the border is well passed Aldi at new farm road.
Waggers above quote is fairly correct Colchester people especially some of the girls are so stuck up and rather frigid you wonder where it emanates from?
I think its a great idea let us all get the opportunity to bang away!
Its about time we had an official brothel too and a call girl agencies, so of the girls in London would blow the average man's mind apart, they are amazing!
A dream come true and all your Christmases rolled into one in a single night.
I will tell you one good night with a hot blonde, would sort the gentleman out from the boys.
and there are many 15 second wonders out there!!!
You have only got one life so live it, sacrificing your existence for some high faluted goody two shoes opinion of others is all a load of testi*ales.
The club could hire a couple of radio control planes from next door and flay some banners around stanway "Swing over to our place":
All you lot that cant cope with it, or churchies that wave the flag of anti prim and proper promiscuity are hypocrites!
There have been more scandals in the cloth in this town than any other.
I agree with Waggers get a life lets mingle.
We thank you for your lighthearted comments, you have brightened up an interesting day! We can't however agree on some of your comments, but respect your views and again your lightheartedness on the subject. We must remember though that some people do find this subject difficult to understand and it's important that we take their concerns seriously. Have a great weekend :-) Rebecca
[quote][p][bold]A Very Private Gentleman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulWagland[/bold] wrote: The people who get most angry about stuff like this are usually those most in need of a good lay. It's a private members club... how about a little live and let live?[/p][/quote]I am surprised of the reaction especially as though are so many strange people living in Stanway. Was not Stanway the official pea-do zone? Technically its still in Colchester as the border is well passed Aldi at new farm road. Waggers above quote is fairly correct Colchester people especially some of the girls are so stuck up and rather frigid you wonder where it emanates from? I think its a great idea let us all get the opportunity to bang away! Its about time we had an official brothel too and a call girl agencies, so of the girls in London would blow the average man's mind apart, they are amazing! A dream come true and all your Christmases rolled into one in a single night. I will tell you one good night with a hot blonde, would sort the gentleman out from the boys. and there are many 15 second wonders out there!!! You have only got one life so live it, sacrificing your existence for some high faluted goody two shoes opinion of others is all a load of testi*ales. The club could hire a couple of radio control planes from next door and flay some banners around stanway "Swing over to our place": All you lot that cant cope with it, or churchies that wave the flag of anti prim and proper promiscuity are hypocrites! There have been more scandals in the cloth in this town than any other. I agree with Waggers get a life lets mingle.[/p][/quote]We thank you for your lighthearted comments, you have brightened up an interesting day! We can't however agree on some of your comments, but respect your views and again your lightheartedness on the subject. We must remember though that some people do find this subject difficult to understand and it's important that we take their concerns seriously. Have a great weekend :-) Rebecca Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -22

10:45pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Mind your own business says...

I really can't see the problem, swingers are not bad people they just enjoy life and the body's god has given them if people want to have fun let them and don't be such a prude.
I really can't see the problem, swingers are not bad people they just enjoy life and the body's god has given them if people want to have fun let them and don't be such a prude. Mind your own business
  • Score: -8

11:07pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

Mind your own business wrote:
I really can't see the problem, swingers are not bad people they just enjoy life and the body's god has given them if people want to have fun let them and don't be such a prude.
Thank you for your comments :-) You are correct that we aren't bad people! Have a great weekend!
[quote][p][bold]Mind your own business[/bold] wrote: I really can't see the problem, swingers are not bad people they just enjoy life and the body's god has given them if people want to have fun let them and don't be such a prude.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your comments :-) You are correct that we aren't bad people! Have a great weekend! Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -15

11:14pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Hamiltonandy says...

How patronising to say " We must remember though that some people do find this subject difficult to understand". Such arrogance. Still it is your or rather Jason Woolf's money to lose on your squalid trade. I wonder how many of your morally deficient visitors will welcome the public exposure and the protests?
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Go to Queen Street where you I am sure the late night crowd will fit right in with your aspirations. Quite a few empty buildings there that Colchester Council cannot find tenants. The VAF desperately needs some visitors and they would obviously like your "creative business". Or if you prefer something smaller 15, Queen Street have rooms no one uses.
How patronising to say " We must remember though that some people do find this subject difficult to understand". Such arrogance. Still it is your or rather Jason Woolf's money to lose on your squalid trade. I wonder how many of your morally deficient visitors will welcome the public exposure and the protests? . Go to Queen Street where you I am sure the late night crowd will fit right in with your aspirations. Quite a few empty buildings there that Colchester Council cannot find tenants. The VAF desperately needs some visitors and they would obviously like your "creative business". Or if you prefer something smaller 15, Queen Street have rooms no one uses. Hamiltonandy
  • Score: 23

11:16pm Fri 24 Jan 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

Rebecca_Mingles wrote:
A Very Private Gentleman wrote:
PaulWagland wrote:
The people who get most angry about stuff like this are usually those most in need of a good lay. It's a private members club... how about a little live and let live?
I am surprised of the reaction especially as though are so many strange people living in Stanway.
Was not Stanway the official pea-do zone?
Technically its still in Colchester as the border is well passed Aldi at new farm road.
Waggers above quote is fairly correct Colchester people especially some of the girls are so stuck up and rather frigid you wonder where it emanates from?
I think its a great idea let us all get the opportunity to bang away!
Its about time we had an official brothel too and a call girl agencies, so of the girls in London would blow the average man's mind apart, they are amazing!
A dream come true and all your Christmases rolled into one in a single night.
I will tell you one good night with a hot blonde, would sort the gentleman out from the boys.
and there are many 15 second wonders out there!!!
You have only got one life so live it, sacrificing your existence for some high faluted goody two shoes opinion of others is all a load of testi*ales.
The club could hire a couple of radio control planes from next door and flay some banners around stanway "Swing over to our place":
All you lot that cant cope with it, or churchies that wave the flag of anti prim and proper promiscuity are hypocrites!
There have been more scandals in the cloth in this town than any other.
I agree with Waggers get a life lets mingle.
We thank you for your lighthearted comments, you have brightened up an interesting day! We can't however agree on some of your comments, but respect your views and again your lightheartedness on the subject. We must remember though that some people do find this subject difficult to understand and it's important that we take their concerns seriously. Have a great weekend :-) Rebecca
I notice you keep coming on the site and quoting every post that any is written about the article.
This is not how it works and your responses appear somewhat tit for tat and child like.
You have tried to don the politically correct middle stance about not upsetting anyone and representing all point views, but in reality you do not want to rock the boat because the planning app is going through.
I find that quite patronising condescending and quite manipulative:
That premises has been unlucky for many apart from a print shop that used to be there:
I will tell you what will happen to your idea, you will do well for a short while and you will make a few quid.
After that one of the big boys in London will come down here and do the same thing and take all your business away, enjoy it while it lasts.
I made the post light heated because there were too many getting all hot and bothered on the site issue and it needed my input.
I can see what is going in here Colchester has had it all before.
You are licking your lips with the money you think you are going to make because of the all publicity is good publicity genre'
As I said enjoy it while it lasts. You sound very young in your responces and your partner is not going to be anything like "Eddie Shah"
Yes you have a great weekend too :-( A.V.P.G.
[quote][p][bold]Rebecca_Mingles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Very Private Gentleman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulWagland[/bold] wrote: The people who get most angry about stuff like this are usually those most in need of a good lay. It's a private members club... how about a little live and let live?[/p][/quote]I am surprised of the reaction especially as though are so many strange people living in Stanway. Was not Stanway the official pea-do zone? Technically its still in Colchester as the border is well passed Aldi at new farm road. Waggers above quote is fairly correct Colchester people especially some of the girls are so stuck up and rather frigid you wonder where it emanates from? I think its a great idea let us all get the opportunity to bang away! Its about time we had an official brothel too and a call girl agencies, so of the girls in London would blow the average man's mind apart, they are amazing! A dream come true and all your Christmases rolled into one in a single night. I will tell you one good night with a hot blonde, would sort the gentleman out from the boys. and there are many 15 second wonders out there!!! You have only got one life so live it, sacrificing your existence for some high faluted goody two shoes opinion of others is all a load of testi*ales. The club could hire a couple of radio control planes from next door and flay some banners around stanway "Swing over to our place": All you lot that cant cope with it, or churchies that wave the flag of anti prim and proper promiscuity are hypocrites! There have been more scandals in the cloth in this town than any other. I agree with Waggers get a life lets mingle.[/p][/quote]We thank you for your lighthearted comments, you have brightened up an interesting day! We can't however agree on some of your comments, but respect your views and again your lightheartedness on the subject. We must remember though that some people do find this subject difficult to understand and it's important that we take their concerns seriously. Have a great weekend :-) Rebecca[/p][/quote]I notice you keep coming on the site and quoting every post that any is written about the article. This is not how it works and your responses appear somewhat tit for tat and child like. You have tried to don the politically correct middle stance about not upsetting anyone and representing all point views, but in reality you do not want to rock the boat because the planning app is going through. I find that quite patronising condescending and quite manipulative: That premises has been unlucky for many apart from a print shop that used to be there: I will tell you what will happen to your idea, you will do well for a short while and you will make a few quid. After that one of the big boys in London will come down here and do the same thing and take all your business away, enjoy it while it lasts. I made the post light heated because there were too many getting all hot and bothered on the site issue and it needed my input. I can see what is going in here Colchester has had it all before. You are licking your lips with the money you think you are going to make because of the all publicity is good publicity genre' As I said enjoy it while it lasts. You sound very young in your responces and your partner is not going to be anything like "Eddie Shah" Yes you have a great weekend too :-( A.V.P.G. A Very Private Gentleman
  • Score: 14

12:11am Sat 25 Jan 14

Scarlette says...

stevedawson wrote:
I still say why stanway l know the a12 has easy access but l'm not sure the locals are being catered for at this type of venue with membership costs etc.judging by the responses the club might just be tolerated but not embraced.
As a resident of Lexden I can assure you that locals will be catered for and it will be wholeheartedly embraced. There is a need in Colchester for a venue where consenting adults can meet and socialize with like minded individuals in a safe and sane environment. I also fit the dynamic of being being a 35 year old woman who dislikes the loud environs of Colchester town centre where boorish blokes full of beer would attempt to get in.
I wish people could accept some wish to live their lives differently from others and let them get on with it. Being between two businesses believe me you aren't even going to know we are there..
[quote][p][bold]stevedawson[/bold] wrote: I still say why stanway l know the a12 has easy access but l'm not sure the locals are being catered for at this type of venue with membership costs etc.judging by the responses the club might just be tolerated but not embraced.[/p][/quote]As a resident of Lexden I can assure you that locals will be catered for and it will be wholeheartedly embraced. There is a need in Colchester for a venue where consenting adults can meet and socialize with like minded individuals in a safe and sane environment. I also fit the dynamic of being being a 35 year old woman who dislikes the loud environs of Colchester town centre where boorish blokes full of beer would attempt to get in. I wish people could accept some wish to live their lives differently from others and let them get on with it. Being between two businesses believe me you aren't even going to know we are there.. Scarlette
  • Score: -14

8:57am Sat 25 Jan 14

shrubender1 says...

Smartlad47 wrote:
All_talk_no_action wrote:
Jess Jephcott wrote:
I'm with Andy on this one. Sleepy Stanway does not need this sort of thing. Having lived close to one such unnofficial establishment in Prettygate, one would have thought that swingers would be better served (if that is the word) by visiting different private houses at different times. Whilst I accept that swinging is an interest for some peaople, I cannot see where there is a demand for a fixed location in, of all places, Stanway.
Sleepy Stanway, tucked away in the rolling countryside.
sleepy stanway with its noisy bus`s and lorries Police headquarters Ambulance station.all with blues and twos sounding, main parallel road to the A12...........yep...

.....i guess it is nice and sleepy there..........:0)
Obviously you don't know Colchester, the proposed club is in Lexden!!! Stanway starts at New Farm road.... Anyway, bring it on......looking forward to becoming a member, reckon the queue will stretch down Back Lane lol...
good location too, as there's a public car park a few yards away. Look forward to seeing the voyeur protester outside every night, perhaps your wife is inside...
[quote][p][bold]Smartlad47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: I'm with Andy on this one. Sleepy Stanway does not need this sort of thing. Having lived close to one such unnofficial establishment in Prettygate, one would have thought that swingers would be better served (if that is the word) by visiting different private houses at different times. Whilst I accept that swinging is an interest for some peaople, I cannot see where there is a demand for a fixed location in, of all places, Stanway.[/p][/quote]Sleepy Stanway, tucked away in the rolling countryside.[/p][/quote]sleepy stanway with its noisy bus`s and lorries Police headquarters Ambulance station.all with blues and twos sounding, main parallel road to the A12...........yep... .....i guess it is nice and sleepy there..........:0)[/p][/quote]Obviously you don't know Colchester, the proposed club is in Lexden!!! Stanway starts at New Farm road.... Anyway, bring it on......looking forward to becoming a member, reckon the queue will stretch down Back Lane lol... good location too, as there's a public car park a few yards away. Look forward to seeing the voyeur protester outside every night, perhaps your wife is inside... shrubender1
  • Score: -10

8:59am Sat 25 Jan 14

Hamiltonandy says...

Quote from the anonymous "Scarlette":
"As a resident of Lexden I can assure you that locals will be catered for and it will be wholeheartedly embraced"
.
Will be interesting to see what "locals" will turn up and be exposed for their morally deficient behaviour. If you wish to live a perverted way of life I suggest you go elsewhere. The grubby owners of this disreputable establishment will find all the money they have spent on their sordid plans wasted. Even worse, they will have reduced the value of the retail premises as it will be permanently tainted by its obnoxious past.
Quote from the anonymous "Scarlette": "As a resident of Lexden I can assure you that locals will be catered for and it will be wholeheartedly embraced" . Will be interesting to see what "locals" will turn up and be exposed for their morally deficient behaviour. If you wish to live a perverted way of life I suggest you go elsewhere. The grubby owners of this disreputable establishment will find all the money they have spent on their sordid plans wasted. Even worse, they will have reduced the value of the retail premises as it will be permanently tainted by its obnoxious past. Hamiltonandy
  • Score: 20

9:15am Sat 25 Jan 14

blue bird says...

I am a single professional female with my own business, I am also a swinger. These clubs are not just for sex. I go to a club 100 miles away and not just for sex. To meet, chat, drink, have a laugh and build long lasting good decent honest friends there. Please don't assume that we are all sex craved perverts. We are very discreet and private people. That you may find hard to believe. I am looking forward to the club opening. Shout me if there's any jobs going I'd love to work there. Xx
I am a single professional female with my own business, I am also a swinger. These clubs are not just for sex. I go to a club 100 miles away and not just for sex. To meet, chat, drink, have a laugh and build long lasting good decent honest friends there. Please don't assume that we are all sex craved perverts. We are very discreet and private people. That you may find hard to believe. I am looking forward to the club opening. Shout me if there's any jobs going I'd love to work there. Xx blue bird
  • Score: -7

9:22am Sat 25 Jan 14

justwondering says...

Hamiltonandy wrote:
Quote from the anonymous "Scarlette":
"As a resident of Lexden I can assure you that locals will be catered for and it will be wholeheartedly embraced"
.
Will be interesting to see what "locals" will turn up and be exposed for their morally deficient behaviour. If you wish to live a perverted way of life I suggest you go elsewhere. The grubby owners of this disreputable establishment will find all the money they have spent on their sordid plans wasted. Even worse, they will have reduced the value of the retail premises as it will be permanently tainted by its obnoxious past.
It appears from your previous posts that you have a persona vendetta towards the people that are opening the club which has nothing to do with the purpose of the building but of the fact that you have a grievance relating to the actual building whether it is you have tried to buy the property in the past and your offer was not accepted or something similar.

Your vile comments, threats and accusations are a personal attack on the owner and I would suggest if you are an intelligent man you would quit while you are ahead before spewing any more vile comments.

Live and let live, they will be doing no-one any harm and it appears keeping themselves to themselves.

As a local resident you aren't doing us any favours, we are not nasty people filled with hatred, obviously we are concerned over the affect it would have on local parking and noise, but looking at Rebecca's responses I do believe there are no real cause for concern, totally understand why she has commented on every post, they are trying to respond to everyone which should be praised and not put down.
[quote][p][bold]Hamiltonandy[/bold] wrote: Quote from the anonymous "Scarlette": "As a resident of Lexden I can assure you that locals will be catered for and it will be wholeheartedly embraced" . Will be interesting to see what "locals" will turn up and be exposed for their morally deficient behaviour. If you wish to live a perverted way of life I suggest you go elsewhere. The grubby owners of this disreputable establishment will find all the money they have spent on their sordid plans wasted. Even worse, they will have reduced the value of the retail premises as it will be permanently tainted by its obnoxious past.[/p][/quote]It appears from your previous posts that you have a persona vendetta towards the people that are opening the club which has nothing to do with the purpose of the building but of the fact that you have a grievance relating to the actual building whether it is you have tried to buy the property in the past and your offer was not accepted or something similar. Your vile comments, threats and accusations are a personal attack on the owner and I would suggest if you are an intelligent man you would quit while you are ahead before spewing any more vile comments. Live and let live, they will be doing no-one any harm and it appears keeping themselves to themselves. As a local resident you aren't doing us any favours, we are not nasty people filled with hatred, obviously we are concerned over the affect it would have on local parking and noise, but looking at Rebecca's responses I do believe there are no real cause for concern, totally understand why she has commented on every post, they are trying to respond to everyone which should be praised and not put down. justwondering
  • Score: -12

9:32am Sat 25 Jan 14

Scarlette says...

Hamiltonandy wrote:
Quote from the anonymous "Scarlette":
"As a resident of Lexden I can assure you that locals will be catered for and it will be wholeheartedly embraced"
.
Will be interesting to see what "locals" will turn up and be exposed for their morally deficient behaviour. If you wish to live a perverted way of life I suggest you go elsewhere. The grubby owners of this disreputable establishment will find all the money they have spent on their sordid plans wasted. Even worse, they will have reduced the value of the retail premises as it will be permanently tainted by its obnoxious past.
what you expect me to hand out my credentials, photo and driving license so every internet nutter this side of the watford gap can troll me and abuse me? Did you not read the part about me being a woman wanting a safe environ?
Actually my handle is such that people that know me will know this is my comment so I'm hardly anonymous.
I am very open about my lifestyle. I am in a committed, married relationship and have been for 14 years. I don't give a tinkers toot what you think about my morals.
Bricks and mortar do not carry a "taint" that is just silly and while i'm not expecting the local mp is turn up and be "exposed", normal everyday people will happily turn up local or otherwise because they too have a different code of morals to you. We are not ashamed to exist even if you wish we didn't.
[quote][p][bold]Hamiltonandy[/bold] wrote: Quote from the anonymous "Scarlette": "As a resident of Lexden I can assure you that locals will be catered for and it will be wholeheartedly embraced" . Will be interesting to see what "locals" will turn up and be exposed for their morally deficient behaviour. If you wish to live a perverted way of life I suggest you go elsewhere. The grubby owners of this disreputable establishment will find all the money they have spent on their sordid plans wasted. Even worse, they will have reduced the value of the retail premises as it will be permanently tainted by its obnoxious past.[/p][/quote]what you expect me to hand out my credentials, photo and driving license so every internet nutter this side of the watford gap can troll me and abuse me? Did you not read the part about me being a woman wanting a safe environ? Actually my handle is such that people that know me will know this is my comment so I'm hardly anonymous. I am very open about my lifestyle. I am in a committed, married relationship and have been for 14 years. I don't give a tinkers toot what you think about my morals. Bricks and mortar do not carry a "taint" that is just silly and while i'm not expecting the local mp is turn up and be "exposed", normal everyday people will happily turn up local or otherwise because they too have a different code of morals to you. We are not ashamed to exist even if you wish we didn't. Scarlette
  • Score: -16

9:48am Sat 25 Jan 14

shrubender1 says...

The year is 2014, every town in the country has respectable swingers, every area of each town has swingers, maybe even in your street... I would feel safe knowing my neighbour was one, like me.....would you rather have a sex offender/pedo living next door?
The year is 2014, every town in the country has respectable swingers, every area of each town has swingers, maybe even in your street... I would feel safe knowing my neighbour was one, like me.....would you rather have a sex offender/pedo living next door? shrubender1
  • Score: -11

9:51am Sat 25 Jan 14

AlexAtreides says...

There has been a fetish club running from various venues around Colchester for over three years now. Not one incidence of police intervention, not one incidence of drunken behaviour and not one complaint from local residents....unlike 'normal' venues who are plagued with this.

The so called 'alternative' sexual lifestyle is quiet, respectful and calm, and stands as a shining example of sensible social behaviour.

Fear is damaging, ignorance is damaging. Go to an event and make a balanced judgement. Maybe come away thinking 'it's not for me' or 'that is really not what I expected', either way at least have the facts before you judge.

It seems to me that this group of people have gone to extraordinary lengths to make sure their club doesn't impact on anyone. You have to respect this.
There has been a fetish club running from various venues around Colchester for over three years now. Not one incidence of police intervention, not one incidence of drunken behaviour and not one complaint from local residents....unlike 'normal' venues who are plagued with this. The so called 'alternative' sexual lifestyle is quiet, respectful and calm, and stands as a shining example of sensible social behaviour. Fear is damaging, ignorance is damaging. Go to an event and make a balanced judgement. Maybe come away thinking 'it's not for me' or 'that is really not what I expected', either way at least have the facts before you judge. It seems to me that this group of people have gone to extraordinary lengths to make sure their club doesn't impact on anyone. You have to respect this. AlexAtreides
  • Score: -12

9:59am Sat 25 Jan 14

shrubender1 says...

AlexAtreides wrote:
There has been a fetish club running from various venues around Colchester for over three years now. Not one incidence of police intervention, not one incidence of drunken behaviour and not one complaint from local residents....unlike 'normal' venues who are plagued with this.

The so called 'alternative' sexual lifestyle is quiet, respectful and calm, and stands as a shining example of sensible social behaviour.

Fear is damaging, ignorance is damaging. Go to an event and make a balanced judgement. Maybe come away thinking 'it's not for me' or 'that is really not what I expected', either way at least have the facts before you judge.

It seems to me that this group of people have gone to extraordinary lengths to make sure their club doesn't impact on anyone. You have to respect this.
well said sir
[quote][p][bold]AlexAtreides[/bold] wrote: There has been a fetish club running from various venues around Colchester for over three years now. Not one incidence of police intervention, not one incidence of drunken behaviour and not one complaint from local residents....unlike 'normal' venues who are plagued with this. The so called 'alternative' sexual lifestyle is quiet, respectful and calm, and stands as a shining example of sensible social behaviour. Fear is damaging, ignorance is damaging. Go to an event and make a balanced judgement. Maybe come away thinking 'it's not for me' or 'that is really not what I expected', either way at least have the facts before you judge. It seems to me that this group of people have gone to extraordinary lengths to make sure their club doesn't impact on anyone. You have to respect this.[/p][/quote]well said sir shrubender1
  • Score: -11

9:59am Sat 25 Jan 14

Colonel Kurtz says...

Agree consenting adults should have a right to do want they want but the location is not appropriate. Should be located in a industrial area with a carpark. However, CBC will grant permission but will deny John Lewis to build a store in Stanway. They are only concerned in building more and more houses. Gimps, and other crazy fetishes will probably be classed a minority by the council and fast tracked.
Agree consenting adults should have a right to do want they want but the location is not appropriate. Should be located in a industrial area with a carpark. However, CBC will grant permission but will deny John Lewis to build a store in Stanway. They are only concerned in building more and more houses. Gimps, and other crazy fetishes will probably be classed a minority by the council and fast tracked. Colonel Kurtz
  • Score: 12

10:04am Sat 25 Jan 14

AlexAtreides says...

shrubender1 wrote:
AlexAtreides wrote:
There has been a fetish club running from various venues around Colchester for over three years now. Not one incidence of police intervention, not one incidence of drunken behaviour and not one complaint from local residents....unlike 'normal' venues who are plagued with this.

The so called 'alternative' sexual lifestyle is quiet, respectful and calm, and stands as a shining example of sensible social behaviour.

Fear is damaging, ignorance is damaging. Go to an event and make a balanced judgement. Maybe come away thinking 'it's not for me' or 'that is really not what I expected', either way at least have the facts before you judge.

It seems to me that this group of people have gone to extraordinary lengths to make sure their club doesn't impact on anyone. You have to respect this.
well said sir
Madam, if you don't mind :)
[quote][p][bold]shrubender1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlexAtreides[/bold] wrote: There has been a fetish club running from various venues around Colchester for over three years now. Not one incidence of police intervention, not one incidence of drunken behaviour and not one complaint from local residents....unlike 'normal' venues who are plagued with this. The so called 'alternative' sexual lifestyle is quiet, respectful and calm, and stands as a shining example of sensible social behaviour. Fear is damaging, ignorance is damaging. Go to an event and make a balanced judgement. Maybe come away thinking 'it's not for me' or 'that is really not what I expected', either way at least have the facts before you judge. It seems to me that this group of people have gone to extraordinary lengths to make sure their club doesn't impact on anyone. You have to respect this.[/p][/quote]well said sir[/p][/quote]Madam, if you don't mind :) AlexAtreides
  • Score: -9

10:06am Sat 25 Jan 14

shrubender1 says...

AlexAtreides wrote:
shrubender1 wrote:
AlexAtreides wrote:
There has been a fetish club running from various venues around Colchester for over three years now. Not one incidence of police intervention, not one incidence of drunken behaviour and not one complaint from local residents....unlike 'normal' venues who are plagued with this.

The so called 'alternative' sexual lifestyle is quiet, respectful and calm, and stands as a shining example of sensible social behaviour.

Fear is damaging, ignorance is damaging. Go to an event and make a balanced judgement. Maybe come away thinking 'it's not for me' or 'that is really not what I expected', either way at least have the facts before you judge.

It seems to me that this group of people have gone to extraordinary lengths to make sure their club doesn't impact on anyone. You have to respect this.
well said sir
Madam, if you don't mind :)
my apologies, madam
[quote][p][bold]AlexAtreides[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shrubender1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlexAtreides[/bold] wrote: There has been a fetish club running from various venues around Colchester for over three years now. Not one incidence of police intervention, not one incidence of drunken behaviour and not one complaint from local residents....unlike 'normal' venues who are plagued with this. The so called 'alternative' sexual lifestyle is quiet, respectful and calm, and stands as a shining example of sensible social behaviour. Fear is damaging, ignorance is damaging. Go to an event and make a balanced judgement. Maybe come away thinking 'it's not for me' or 'that is really not what I expected', either way at least have the facts before you judge. It seems to me that this group of people have gone to extraordinary lengths to make sure their club doesn't impact on anyone. You have to respect this.[/p][/quote]well said sir[/p][/quote]Madam, if you don't mind :)[/p][/quote]my apologies, madam shrubender1
  • Score: -8

10:24am Sat 25 Jan 14

blockpaver says...

I’ve no problems with the proposal because I don’t live anywhere near the location, and I suspect the majority of those who approve of the club are in the same position as me. However I fully support the local residents who are trying to block the planning application.

It’s not necessarily the majority who will use the club it’s the select weirdos who will visit, wouldn’t want to live near that.

Find a spot in the country, miles from any neighbours then do as you please, provided that it’s limited strictly to “consenting adults” only.
I’ve no problems with the proposal because I don’t live anywhere near the location, and I suspect the majority of those who approve of the club are in the same position as me. However I fully support the local residents who are trying to block the planning application. It’s not necessarily the majority who will use the club it’s the select weirdos who will visit, wouldn’t want to live near that. Find a spot in the country, miles from any neighbours then do as you please, provided that it’s limited strictly to “consenting adults” only. blockpaver
  • Score: 8

10:29am Sat 25 Jan 14

Lexden says...

I have no objections to the establishment, since it breaks no laws. It’s just a private members club, where consenting adults can go to enjoy intimacy with one another. This is legal.

The owners have been very open and honest about their intentions, and I respect that attitude.

What consenting adults do in the privacy of a legal environment is purely up to them, and the last time I checked, intimacy was not illegal.

Not everyone may understand the need for such a place, but that does not make such an establishment nor the people who frequent it wrong.

Most, if not nearly all of the swingers I have known, are some of the most tolerant and open-minded people I have had the pleasure to associate with. They really do get an unfair share of persecution and sensationalism from the press, but then again so does anyone who lives their lives according to their own beliefs which may not be those of the mainstream and this applies as much to Puritans in the 1560’s, as it does to swingers in the 2010’s. But that’s a debate for another time.

I sometimes think that humans in general would do better to look inside their own homes, than stand at the window twitching the curtains worrying about what other people are getting up to with their lives.

I think most would be surprised to find that other people’s lives are probably just as boring as their own.

I also think most people probably find other people odd, and vice versa.

And therein lies the “human condition” doesn’t it ?

We’re all terrified as being thought "strange" by our neighbours.

Our “strange” neighbours in fact.

When in reality, we are their “strange neighbours”. We define their “strangeness” as “not living their lives the way we live ours, or doing things we wouldn’t do”.

Just remember that no matter how “normal” you think yourself to be, there are other people out there who think you are really weird.

I have no opposition to the establishment since English Law and planning consent are the final arbitrators in this matter.
I have no objections to the establishment, since it breaks no laws. It’s just a private members club, where consenting adults can go to enjoy intimacy with one another. This is legal. The owners have been very open and honest about their intentions, and I respect that attitude. What consenting adults do in the privacy of a legal environment is purely up to them, and the last time I checked, intimacy was not illegal. Not everyone may understand the need for such a place, but that does not make such an establishment nor the people who frequent it wrong. Most, if not nearly all of the swingers I have known, are some of the most tolerant and open-minded people I have had the pleasure to associate with. They really do get an unfair share of persecution and sensationalism from the press, but then again so does anyone who lives their lives according to their own beliefs which may not be those of the mainstream and this applies as much to Puritans in the 1560’s, as it does to swingers in the 2010’s. But that’s a debate for another time. I sometimes think that humans in general would do better to look inside their own homes, than stand at the window twitching the curtains worrying about what other people are getting up to with their lives. I think most would be surprised to find that other people’s lives are probably just as boring as their own. I also think most people probably find other people odd, and vice versa. And therein lies the “human condition” doesn’t it ? We’re all terrified as being thought "strange" by our neighbours. Our “strange” neighbours in fact. When in reality, we are their “strange neighbours”. We define their “strangeness” as “not living their lives the way we live ours, or doing things we wouldn’t do”. Just remember that no matter how “normal” you think yourself to be, there are other people out there who think you are really weird. I have no opposition to the establishment since English Law and planning consent are the final arbitrators in this matter. Lexden
  • Score: -12

10:37am Sat 25 Jan 14

Hamiltonandy says...

Agree with "Colonel Kurtz" about the unreasonable refusal of a John Lewis store in Tollgate. It was very sad to see the old Sainsburys store demolished purely on council zoning requirements. The store was quite attractive and would have easily accommodated an expanded ALDI who are running out of room in Lexden.
Agree with "Colonel Kurtz" about the unreasonable refusal of a John Lewis store in Tollgate. It was very sad to see the old Sainsburys store demolished purely on council zoning requirements. The store was quite attractive and would have easily accommodated an expanded ALDI who are running out of room in Lexden. Hamiltonandy
  • Score: 24

10:48am Sat 25 Jan 14

wormshero says...

Hamiltonandy wrote:
Quote from the anonymous "Scarlette":
"As a resident of Lexden I can assure you that locals will be catered for and it will be wholeheartedly embraced"
.
Will be interesting to see what "locals" will turn up and be exposed for their morally deficient behaviour. If you wish to live a perverted way of life I suggest you go elsewhere. The grubby owners of this disreputable establishment will find all the money they have spent on their sordid plans wasted. Even worse, they will have reduced the value of the retail premises as it will be permanently tainted by its obnoxious past.
Who declared you the moral police? People can live their life differently to your own, as they're absolutely entitled to - if it's not affecting you, then what gives you the right to claim people are "morally deficient" and "perverted"? While I have no care for or against the club, it's legal so your personal moral quest doesn't matter. So long as its well ran and doesn't allow trouble makers in and therefore affect others at least, but then, if it does, they'd likely be closed down.
[quote][p][bold]Hamiltonandy[/bold] wrote: Quote from the anonymous "Scarlette": "As a resident of Lexden I can assure you that locals will be catered for and it will be wholeheartedly embraced" . Will be interesting to see what "locals" will turn up and be exposed for their morally deficient behaviour. If you wish to live a perverted way of life I suggest you go elsewhere. The grubby owners of this disreputable establishment will find all the money they have spent on their sordid plans wasted. Even worse, they will have reduced the value of the retail premises as it will be permanently tainted by its obnoxious past.[/p][/quote]Who declared you the moral police? People can live their life differently to your own, as they're absolutely entitled to - if it's not affecting you, then what gives you the right to claim people are "morally deficient" and "perverted"? While I have no care for or against the club, it's legal so your personal moral quest doesn't matter. So long as its well ran and doesn't allow trouble makers in and therefore affect others at least, but then, if it does, they'd likely be closed down. wormshero
  • Score: -12

11:25am Sat 25 Jan 14

Rhodry says...

Once again a lot of fuss over very little being stirred up by people with very little else to do.
The people who frequent clubs like this are generally very private people and will in no way want to bring attention upon themselves by causing a disturbance outside.
They will not roll out at 2am roaring drunk for the very same reason and also anything over than light drinking is strictly frowned upon by these kinds of establishments.
You will probably get more noise and anti social behaviour outside a restaurant from over indulged businessmen.
I am sure the owners will run a very tight ship as far as any unruly behaviour is concerned as they know full well if they don't that their other club goers will leave them.
As you can all see the owners are being very upfront and offering to talk to anyone who has any objections. Not only that they are also being incredibly brave by posting their real names, their phone numbers and even their photos in the local press. Funny how the few who are objecting are not so forth coming hmmm?
Let he who be without sin cast the first stone....
Once again a lot of fuss over very little being stirred up by people with very little else to do. The people who frequent clubs like this are generally very private people and will in no way want to bring attention upon themselves by causing a disturbance outside. They will not roll out at 2am roaring drunk for the very same reason and also anything over than light drinking is strictly frowned upon by these kinds of establishments. You will probably get more noise and anti social behaviour outside a restaurant from over indulged businessmen. I am sure the owners will run a very tight ship as far as any unruly behaviour is concerned as they know full well if they don't that their other club goers will leave them. As you can all see the owners are being very upfront and offering to talk to anyone who has any objections. Not only that they are also being incredibly brave by posting their real names, their phone numbers and even their photos in the local press. Funny how the few who are objecting are not so forth coming hmmm? Let he who be without sin cast the first stone.... Rhodry
  • Score: -12

12:54pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

Scarlette wrote:
stevedawson wrote:
I still say why stanway l know the a12 has easy access but l'm not sure the locals are being catered for at this type of venue with membership costs etc.judging by the responses the club might just be tolerated but not embraced.
As a resident of Lexden I can assure you that locals will be catered for and it will be wholeheartedly embraced. There is a need in Colchester for a venue where consenting adults can meet and socialize with like minded individuals in a safe and sane environment. I also fit the dynamic of being being a 35 year old woman who dislikes the loud environs of Colchester town centre where boorish blokes full of beer would attempt to get in.
I wish people could accept some wish to live their lives differently from others and let them get on with it. Being between two businesses believe me you aren't even going to know we are there..
Hi Scarlette! Thank you so much for taking the time to post on this subject. There is indeed a great need in the area, and I hope that the residents of Lexden will come round to realising that we will be discreet and considerate of them.
[quote][p][bold]Scarlette[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevedawson[/bold] wrote: I still say why stanway l know the a12 has easy access but l'm not sure the locals are being catered for at this type of venue with membership costs etc.judging by the responses the club might just be tolerated but not embraced.[/p][/quote]As a resident of Lexden I can assure you that locals will be catered for and it will be wholeheartedly embraced. There is a need in Colchester for a venue where consenting adults can meet and socialize with like minded individuals in a safe and sane environment. I also fit the dynamic of being being a 35 year old woman who dislikes the loud environs of Colchester town centre where boorish blokes full of beer would attempt to get in. I wish people could accept some wish to live their lives differently from others and let them get on with it. Being between two businesses believe me you aren't even going to know we are there..[/p][/quote]Hi Scarlette! Thank you so much for taking the time to post on this subject. There is indeed a great need in the area, and I hope that the residents of Lexden will come round to realising that we will be discreet and considerate of them. Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -13

12:55pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

blue bird wrote:
I am a single professional female with my own business, I am also a swinger. These clubs are not just for sex. I go to a club 100 miles away and not just for sex. To meet, chat, drink, have a laugh and build long lasting good decent honest friends there. Please don't assume that we are all sex craved perverts. We are very discreet and private people. That you may find hard to believe. I am looking forward to the club opening. Shout me if there's any jobs going I'd love to work there. Xx
Thanks Blue bird! We will give you a shout :-) Rebecca
[quote][p][bold]blue bird[/bold] wrote: I am a single professional female with my own business, I am also a swinger. These clubs are not just for sex. I go to a club 100 miles away and not just for sex. To meet, chat, drink, have a laugh and build long lasting good decent honest friends there. Please don't assume that we are all sex craved perverts. We are very discreet and private people. That you may find hard to believe. I am looking forward to the club opening. Shout me if there's any jobs going I'd love to work there. Xx[/p][/quote]Thanks Blue bird! We will give you a shout :-) Rebecca Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -15

12:58pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

Rhodry wrote:
Once again a lot of fuss over very little being stirred up by people with very little else to do.
The people who frequent clubs like this are generally very private people and will in no way want to bring attention upon themselves by causing a disturbance outside.
They will not roll out at 2am roaring drunk for the very same reason and also anything over than light drinking is strictly frowned upon by these kinds of establishments.
You will probably get more noise and anti social behaviour outside a restaurant from over indulged businessmen.
I am sure the owners will run a very tight ship as far as any unruly behaviour is concerned as they know full well if they don't that their other club goers will leave them.
As you can all see the owners are being very upfront and offering to talk to anyone who has any objections. Not only that they are also being incredibly brave by posting their real names, their phone numbers and even their photos in the local press. Funny how the few who are objecting are not so forth coming hmmm?
Let he who be without sin cast the first stone....
Thanks Rhodry, we don't feel we have anything ti hide and are happy for anyone to contact us to talk through any concerns they have. Thanks again for your positive comments :-)
[quote][p][bold]Rhodry[/bold] wrote: Once again a lot of fuss over very little being stirred up by people with very little else to do. The people who frequent clubs like this are generally very private people and will in no way want to bring attention upon themselves by causing a disturbance outside. They will not roll out at 2am roaring drunk for the very same reason and also anything over than light drinking is strictly frowned upon by these kinds of establishments. You will probably get more noise and anti social behaviour outside a restaurant from over indulged businessmen. I am sure the owners will run a very tight ship as far as any unruly behaviour is concerned as they know full well if they don't that their other club goers will leave them. As you can all see the owners are being very upfront and offering to talk to anyone who has any objections. Not only that they are also being incredibly brave by posting their real names, their phone numbers and even their photos in the local press. Funny how the few who are objecting are not so forth coming hmmm? Let he who be without sin cast the first stone....[/p][/quote]Thanks Rhodry, we don't feel we have anything ti hide and are happy for anyone to contact us to talk through any concerns they have. Thanks again for your positive comments :-) Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -12

1:04pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

AlexAtreides wrote:
shrubender1 wrote:
AlexAtreides wrote:
There has been a fetish club running from various venues around Colchester for over three years now. Not one incidence of police intervention, not one incidence of drunken behaviour and not one complaint from local residents....unlike 'normal' venues who are plagued with this.

The so called 'alternative' sexual lifestyle is quiet, respectful and calm, and stands as a shining example of sensible social behaviour.

Fear is damaging, ignorance is damaging. Go to an event and make a balanced judgement. Maybe come away thinking 'it's not for me' or 'that is really not what I expected', either way at least have the facts before you judge.

It seems to me that this group of people have gone to extraordinary lengths to make sure their club doesn't impact on anyone. You have to respect this.
well said sir
Madam, if you don't mind :)
Thank you AlexAtreides, you state a very interesting comment there about swingers and fetish clubs and how often there is trouble over 'normal' venues! As most of us are private and discreet we most definitely do not want attention brought to ourselves and therefore there are never any issues or disturbances. Thank you again for your comments, they are really appreciated!
[quote][p][bold]AlexAtreides[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shrubender1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlexAtreides[/bold] wrote: There has been a fetish club running from various venues around Colchester for over three years now. Not one incidence of police intervention, not one incidence of drunken behaviour and not one complaint from local residents....unlike 'normal' venues who are plagued with this. The so called 'alternative' sexual lifestyle is quiet, respectful and calm, and stands as a shining example of sensible social behaviour. Fear is damaging, ignorance is damaging. Go to an event and make a balanced judgement. Maybe come away thinking 'it's not for me' or 'that is really not what I expected', either way at least have the facts before you judge. It seems to me that this group of people have gone to extraordinary lengths to make sure their club doesn't impact on anyone. You have to respect this.[/p][/quote]well said sir[/p][/quote]Madam, if you don't mind :)[/p][/quote]Thank you AlexAtreides, you state a very interesting comment there about swingers and fetish clubs and how often there is trouble over 'normal' venues! As most of us are private and discreet we most definitely do not want attention brought to ourselves and therefore there are never any issues or disturbances. Thank you again for your comments, they are really appreciated! Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -14

1:08pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

Lexden wrote:
I have no objections to the establishment, since it breaks no laws. It’s just a private members club, where consenting adults can go to enjoy intimacy with one another. This is legal.

The owners have been very open and honest about their intentions, and I respect that attitude.

What consenting adults do in the privacy of a legal environment is purely up to them, and the last time I checked, intimacy was not illegal.

Not everyone may understand the need for such a place, but that does not make such an establishment nor the people who frequent it wrong.

Most, if not nearly all of the swingers I have known, are some of the most tolerant and open-minded people I have had the pleasure to associate with. They really do get an unfair share of persecution and sensationalism from the press, but then again so does anyone who lives their lives according to their own beliefs which may not be those of the mainstream and this applies as much to Puritans in the 1560’s, as it does to swingers in the 2010’s. But that’s a debate for another time.

I sometimes think that humans in general would do better to look inside their own homes, than stand at the window twitching the curtains worrying about what other people are getting up to with their lives.

I think most would be surprised to find that other people’s lives are probably just as boring as their own.

I also think most people probably find other people odd, and vice versa.

And therein lies the “human condition” doesn’t it ?

We’re all terrified as being thought "strange" by our neighbours.

Our “strange” neighbours in fact.

When in reality, we are their “strange neighbours”. We define their “strangeness” as “not living their lives the way we live ours, or doing things we wouldn’t do”.

Just remember that no matter how “normal” you think yourself to be, there are other people out there who think you are really weird.

I have no opposition to the establishment since English Law and planning consent are the final arbitrators in this matter.
Thanks Lexden, for taking the time to comment, especially as you say you are neither for nor against. :-)
[quote][p][bold]Lexden[/bold] wrote: I have no objections to the establishment, since it breaks no laws. It’s just a private members club, where consenting adults can go to enjoy intimacy with one another. This is legal. The owners have been very open and honest about their intentions, and I respect that attitude. What consenting adults do in the privacy of a legal environment is purely up to them, and the last time I checked, intimacy was not illegal. Not everyone may understand the need for such a place, but that does not make such an establishment nor the people who frequent it wrong. Most, if not nearly all of the swingers I have known, are some of the most tolerant and open-minded people I have had the pleasure to associate with. They really do get an unfair share of persecution and sensationalism from the press, but then again so does anyone who lives their lives according to their own beliefs which may not be those of the mainstream and this applies as much to Puritans in the 1560’s, as it does to swingers in the 2010’s. But that’s a debate for another time. I sometimes think that humans in general would do better to look inside their own homes, than stand at the window twitching the curtains worrying about what other people are getting up to with their lives. I think most would be surprised to find that other people’s lives are probably just as boring as their own. I also think most people probably find other people odd, and vice versa. And therein lies the “human condition” doesn’t it ? We’re all terrified as being thought "strange" by our neighbours. Our “strange” neighbours in fact. When in reality, we are their “strange neighbours”. We define their “strangeness” as “not living their lives the way we live ours, or doing things we wouldn’t do”. Just remember that no matter how “normal” you think yourself to be, there are other people out there who think you are really weird. I have no opposition to the establishment since English Law and planning consent are the final arbitrators in this matter.[/p][/quote]Thanks Lexden, for taking the time to comment, especially as you say you are neither for nor against. :-) Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -18

1:49pm Sat 25 Jan 14

shadylady says...

I really want to know how many people would be happy to have this on their doorstep.
I really want to know how many people would be happy to have this on their doorstep. shadylady
  • Score: 28

2:51pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Catchedicam says...

shadylady wrote:
I really want to know how many people would be happy to have this on their doorstep.
Wouldn't bother me in the least, rather this establishment than a pub, a lot less noise and car doors banging etc. But something a little different to their normal grey lives has sent the curtain twitcher brigade into a frenzy of bigotry.

As many have said if this had just happened, you wouldn't even know it was there, it's only because a planning application has been lodged that people even know about it. Had the applicant applied for change of use from A1 to D2 for use as a place of indoor recreation and showing of films, instead of a Sui Generis Private members club; then I doubt that any of this would ever have even been mentioned in the newspaper. It's a commercial building in a commercial area being used for commercial use, that to me is not an issue.
[quote][p][bold]shadylady[/bold] wrote: I really want to know how many people would be happy to have this on their doorstep.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't bother me in the least, rather this establishment than a pub, a lot less noise and car doors banging etc. But something a little different to their normal grey lives has sent the curtain twitcher brigade into a frenzy of bigotry. As many have said if this had just happened, you wouldn't even know it was there, it's only because a planning application has been lodged that people even know about it. Had the applicant applied for change of use from A1 to D2 for use as a place of indoor recreation and showing of films, instead of a Sui Generis Private members club; then I doubt that any of this would ever have even been mentioned in the newspaper. It's a commercial building in a commercial area being used for commercial use, that to me is not an issue. Catchedicam
  • Score: -16

3:35pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

Hamiltonandy wrote:
Quote from the anonymous "Scarlette":
"As a resident of Lexden I can assure you that locals will be catered for and it will be wholeheartedly embraced"
.
Will be interesting to see what "locals" will turn up and be exposed for their morally deficient behaviour. If you wish to live a perverted way of life I suggest you go elsewhere. The grubby owners of this disreputable establishment will find all the money they have spent on their sordid plans wasted. Even worse, they will have reduced the value of the retail premises as it will be permanently tainted by its obnoxious past.
Andy, you are a regular contributor to this forum and often you speak a lot of sense, your input is valuable to most debates.

However, on this thread, you are not being objective with your comments and you have deliberately set about being rude towards people who frequent or support this type of establishment saying they are 'perverted' and 'morally deficient', it's unjust and unfair.

Most probably, in reality, you know as much about this type of venue as the rest of us do and the majority, including me, would not visit this club. However, if it's legal the planning application should go to the planning committee so they can decide and they can cast their vote purely on planning laws, and not, on either their or other people's personal opinions, just because a proportion of the community don't agree that Swingers private clubs should co-exist in society.
[quote][p][bold]Hamiltonandy[/bold] wrote: Quote from the anonymous "Scarlette": "As a resident of Lexden I can assure you that locals will be catered for and it will be wholeheartedly embraced" . Will be interesting to see what "locals" will turn up and be exposed for their morally deficient behaviour. If you wish to live a perverted way of life I suggest you go elsewhere. The grubby owners of this disreputable establishment will find all the money they have spent on their sordid plans wasted. Even worse, they will have reduced the value of the retail premises as it will be permanently tainted by its obnoxious past.[/p][/quote]Andy, you are a regular contributor to this forum and often you speak a lot of sense, your input is valuable to most debates. However, on this thread, you are not being objective with your comments and you have deliberately set about being rude towards people who frequent or support this type of establishment saying they are 'perverted' and 'morally deficient', it's unjust and unfair. Most probably, in reality, you know as much about this type of venue as the rest of us do and the majority, including me, would not visit this club. However, if it's legal the planning application should go to the planning committee so they can decide and they can cast their vote purely on planning laws, and not, on either their or other people's personal opinions, just because a proportion of the community don't agree that Swingers private clubs should co-exist in society. Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: -13

5:37pm Sat 25 Jan 14

HARRY438 says...

Fish n' chips is the only way to go after a deli,surely?
Fish n' chips is the only way to go after a deli,surely? HARRY438
  • Score: -15

6:20pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Rhodry says...

shadylady wrote:
I really want to know how many people would be happy to have this on their doorstep.
A-ha !
So there we go.
The real reason is not a moral crusade as some contributors would have us believe.
Rather just a NIMBY attitude.
To be honest I don't blame you either.
If I chose to live in the middle of a busy town I wouldn't want certain establishments next door to me either.
A McDonalds or other fast food joint, a pub, a bookies etc. etc....
So Shadylady et al you must all live next door, or very close the establishment I take it????
If so may I suggest that you choose not to live in an area that has commercial buildings, it is after all your choice.
I live near a school and so I have to put up with neighbours who have children ( and we all know what they got up to in order to have children the naughty fornicators !!!). But that was my choice to live here.
You chose to live in the middle of a busy town and surround yourself with commercial buildings. Don't complain that you might possibly get disturbed by them.
You could of course be stoking up more trouble for yourselves if the owner decides instead to sell his property. You could well end up with a nice Weatherspoons on your doorstep.
Cheers !
Of course it is possible that you don't actually live next door to the establishment.
Or close by.
Or within half a mile.
Or anywhere near to it come to that matter.
It is of course possible that you just like moaning to hear your own voice or see your own name in print.
But if in fact you do leave next door I'll wave to you when I go to the swingers club in town.
I'm not into swinging and have never been to a swingers club before but seeing as you are making so much of a fuss about it you obviously do know a lot about swingers clubs.
And I can tell by the the wording of the objections that are being posted it must be a really fun place, because you all obviously frown very heavily on fun.
So count me in Mingles and keep me advised of your grand opening date,
I'm sure it will be a huge success with all the wonderful free publicity you are getting (you couldn't possibly buy this).


I
[quote][p][bold]shadylady[/bold] wrote: I really want to know how many people would be happy to have this on their doorstep.[/p][/quote]A-ha ! So there we go. The real reason is not a moral crusade as some contributors would have us believe. Rather just a NIMBY attitude. To be honest I don't blame you either. If I chose to live in the middle of a busy town I wouldn't want certain establishments next door to me either. A McDonalds or other fast food joint, a pub, a bookies etc. etc.... So Shadylady et al you must all live next door, or very close the establishment I take it???? If so may I suggest that you choose not to live in an area that has commercial buildings, it is after all your choice. I live near a school and so I have to put up with neighbours who have children ( and we all know what they got up to in order to have children the naughty fornicators !!!). But that was my choice to live here. You chose to live in the middle of a busy town and surround yourself with commercial buildings. Don't complain that you might possibly get disturbed by them. You could of course be stoking up more trouble for yourselves if the owner decides instead to sell his property. You could well end up with a nice Weatherspoons on your doorstep. Cheers ! Of course it is possible that you don't actually live next door to the establishment. Or close by. Or within half a mile. Or anywhere near to it come to that matter. It is of course possible that you just like moaning to hear your own voice or see your own name in print. But if in fact you do leave next door I'll wave to you when I go to the swingers club in town. I'm not into swinging and have never been to a swingers club before but seeing as you are making so much of a fuss about it you obviously do know a lot about swingers clubs. And I can tell by the the wording of the objections that are being posted it must be a really fun place, because you all obviously frown very heavily on fun. So count me in Mingles and keep me advised of your grand opening date, I'm sure it will be a huge success with all the wonderful free publicity you are getting (you couldn't possibly buy this). I Rhodry
  • Score: -14

8:07pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Hamiltonandy says...

Quote from "Rhodry":
"You could of course be stoking up more trouble for yourselves if the owner decides instead to sell his property".
But the owner has refused to sell the property, as you will have read above. Apparently several offers were rejected as under the inflated value the owner set. So a desperate attempt to change the use to a squalid trade not caring how it will devalue neighbouring shops.
Unlike the anonymous comments I do not conceal my name and can be found in the phone book in Acland Avenue. It will be interesting to see if any of the supporters of this so called "private club" turn up at the relevant council planning meeting.
There is a shortage of small retail outlets/offices in good condition available to rent. Unfortunately the property does need some work and professional advice might help in getting a quality tenant. It is a pity the owner has chosen instead to opt for notoriety.
Quote from "Rhodry": "You could of course be stoking up more trouble for yourselves if the owner decides instead to sell his property". But the owner has refused to sell the property, as you will have read above. Apparently several offers were rejected as under the inflated value the owner set. So a desperate attempt to change the use to a squalid trade not caring how it will devalue neighbouring shops. Unlike the anonymous comments I do not conceal my name and can be found in the phone book in Acland Avenue. It will be interesting to see if any of the supporters of this so called "private club" turn up at the relevant council planning meeting. There is a shortage of small retail outlets/offices in good condition available to rent. Unfortunately the property does need some work and professional advice might help in getting a quality tenant. It is a pity the owner has chosen instead to opt for notoriety. Hamiltonandy
  • Score: 25

8:18pm Sat 25 Jan 14

South colchester resident says...

Is the viewing room like when you get your car MOT'd, so you can watch whether they are doing it properly?.
Is the viewing room like when you get your car MOT'd, so you can watch whether they are doing it properly?. South colchester resident
  • Score: -15

9:46pm Sat 25 Jan 14

trevmeluk says...

A private, adult members club behind locked doors seems ideal for those who enjoy the lifestyle, and will not impact on any locals as far as we can see. Why can't people just live and let live. Good luck with the venture, we wish it every success, despite the puritanical blinkered hypocrites!
A private, adult members club behind locked doors seems ideal for those who enjoy the lifestyle, and will not impact on any locals as far as we can see. Why can't people just live and let live. Good luck with the venture, we wish it every success, despite the puritanical blinkered hypocrites! trevmeluk
  • Score: -11

10:36pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Jake124 says...

The location of this proposed sex club is totally inappropriate, just 350ft away from Lexden Springs School, which caters for some of the towns most vulnerable youngsters. Who on Earth in their right mind would want an establishment like this in the vicinity of their kids school?
The location of this proposed sex club is totally inappropriate, just 350ft away from Lexden Springs School, which caters for some of the towns most vulnerable youngsters. Who on Earth in their right mind would want an establishment like this in the vicinity of their kids school? Jake124
  • Score: 25

11:45pm Sat 25 Jan 14

wearebeingwatched says...

Jake124 wrote:
The location of this proposed sex club is totally inappropriate, just 350ft away from Lexden Springs School, which caters for some of the towns most vulnerable youngsters. Who on Earth in their right mind would want an establishment like this in the vicinity of their kids school?
The opening hours of both establishments are not going to overlap.
[quote][p][bold]Jake124[/bold] wrote: The location of this proposed sex club is totally inappropriate, just 350ft away from Lexden Springs School, which caters for some of the towns most vulnerable youngsters. Who on Earth in their right mind would want an establishment like this in the vicinity of their kids school?[/p][/quote]The opening hours of both establishments are not going to overlap. wearebeingwatched
  • Score: -14

11:56pm Sat 25 Jan 14

wearebeingwatched says...

Hamiltonandy wrote:
Quote from "Rhodry":
"You could of course be stoking up more trouble for yourselves if the owner decides instead to sell his property".
But the owner has refused to sell the property, as you will have read above. Apparently several offers were rejected as under the inflated value the owner set. So a desperate attempt to change the use to a squalid trade not caring how it will devalue neighbouring shops.
Unlike the anonymous comments I do not conceal my name and can be found in the phone book in Acland Avenue. It will be interesting to see if any of the supporters of this so called "private club" turn up at the relevant council planning meeting.
There is a shortage of small retail outlets/offices in good condition available to rent. Unfortunately the property does need some work and professional advice might help in getting a quality tenant. It is a pity the owner has chosen instead to opt for notoriety.
Why is it squalid? Is it because it does not conform to what is seen by society as normal? They are not looking to run a club that undertakes illegal activities, yes some may say the activities are morally wrong but at the end of the day a lot of those morals are based on a book of fiction written c2000 years ago. Nobody is going to be forced to attend and those that do will be respectful and consenting.

I can't say it is my cup of tea but each to their own as long as it falls within the realms of the law.

At the end of the day is it going to hurt you? Or hurt anyone else? I think I can safely guess the answer is no.
[quote][p][bold]Hamiltonandy[/bold] wrote: Quote from "Rhodry": "You could of course be stoking up more trouble for yourselves if the owner decides instead to sell his property". But the owner has refused to sell the property, as you will have read above. Apparently several offers were rejected as under the inflated value the owner set. So a desperate attempt to change the use to a squalid trade not caring how it will devalue neighbouring shops. Unlike the anonymous comments I do not conceal my name and can be found in the phone book in Acland Avenue. It will be interesting to see if any of the supporters of this so called "private club" turn up at the relevant council planning meeting. There is a shortage of small retail outlets/offices in good condition available to rent. Unfortunately the property does need some work and professional advice might help in getting a quality tenant. It is a pity the owner has chosen instead to opt for notoriety.[/p][/quote]Why is it squalid? Is it because it does not conform to what is seen by society as normal? They are not looking to run a club that undertakes illegal activities, yes some may say the activities are morally wrong but at the end of the day a lot of those morals are based on a book of fiction written c2000 years ago. Nobody is going to be forced to attend and those that do will be respectful and consenting. I can't say it is my cup of tea but each to their own as long as it falls within the realms of the law. At the end of the day is it going to hurt you? Or hurt anyone else? I think I can safely guess the answer is no. wearebeingwatched
  • Score: -12

11:56pm Sat 25 Jan 14

wearebeingwatched says...

Hamiltonandy wrote:
Quote from "Rhodry":
"You could of course be stoking up more trouble for yourselves if the owner decides instead to sell his property".
But the owner has refused to sell the property, as you will have read above. Apparently several offers were rejected as under the inflated value the owner set. So a desperate attempt to change the use to a squalid trade not caring how it will devalue neighbouring shops.
Unlike the anonymous comments I do not conceal my name and can be found in the phone book in Acland Avenue. It will be interesting to see if any of the supporters of this so called "private club" turn up at the relevant council planning meeting.
There is a shortage of small retail outlets/offices in good condition available to rent. Unfortunately the property does need some work and professional advice might help in getting a quality tenant. It is a pity the owner has chosen instead to opt for notoriety.
Why is it squalid? Is it because it does not conform to what is seen by society as normal? They are not looking to run a club that undertakes illegal activities, yes some may say the activities are morally wrong but at the end of the day a lot of those morals are based on a book of fiction written c2000 years ago. Nobody is going to be forced to attend and those that do will be respectful and consenting.

I can't say it is my cup of tea but each to their own as long as it falls within the realms of the law.

At the end of the day is it going to hurt you? Or hurt anyone else? I think I can safely guess the answer is no.
[quote][p][bold]Hamiltonandy[/bold] wrote: Quote from "Rhodry": "You could of course be stoking up more trouble for yourselves if the owner decides instead to sell his property". But the owner has refused to sell the property, as you will have read above. Apparently several offers were rejected as under the inflated value the owner set. So a desperate attempt to change the use to a squalid trade not caring how it will devalue neighbouring shops. Unlike the anonymous comments I do not conceal my name and can be found in the phone book in Acland Avenue. It will be interesting to see if any of the supporters of this so called "private club" turn up at the relevant council planning meeting. There is a shortage of small retail outlets/offices in good condition available to rent. Unfortunately the property does need some work and professional advice might help in getting a quality tenant. It is a pity the owner has chosen instead to opt for notoriety.[/p][/quote]Why is it squalid? Is it because it does not conform to what is seen by society as normal? They are not looking to run a club that undertakes illegal activities, yes some may say the activities are morally wrong but at the end of the day a lot of those morals are based on a book of fiction written c2000 years ago. Nobody is going to be forced to attend and those that do will be respectful and consenting. I can't say it is my cup of tea but each to their own as long as it falls within the realms of the law. At the end of the day is it going to hurt you? Or hurt anyone else? I think I can safely guess the answer is no. wearebeingwatched
  • Score: -13

11:57pm Sat 25 Jan 14

wearebeingwatched says...

Apologies for the double post
Apologies for the double post wearebeingwatched
  • Score: -7

12:45am Sun 26 Jan 14

Catchedicam says...

Jake124 wrote:
The location of this proposed sex club is totally inappropriate, just 350ft away from Lexden Springs School, which caters for some of the towns most vulnerable youngsters. Who on Earth in their right mind would want an establishment like this in the vicinity of their kids school?
idiot, they are swingers not peadophiles.. get a life!
[quote][p][bold]Jake124[/bold] wrote: The location of this proposed sex club is totally inappropriate, just 350ft away from Lexden Springs School, which caters for some of the towns most vulnerable youngsters. Who on Earth in their right mind would want an establishment like this in the vicinity of their kids school?[/p][/quote]idiot, they are swingers not peadophiles.. get a life! Catchedicam
  • Score: -16

12:51am Sun 26 Jan 14

Boris says...

Congratulations to Rebecca for keeping this debate going. And good luck to her and her partner once the establishment opens. It won't affect schools because - Rebecca tells us - it will only be open in the evening. Why should this club be any worse as a neighbour than the sex shops in Butt Road and Alexandra Road, where children pass by all the time without batting an eyelid?
The club will be in Lexden, but so what? The immediate neighbourhood is purely commmercial. Only some parts of Lexden are leafy and posh. Other parts, e.g. just beyond Aldi. are very down-at-heel.
If we want to object to something in Colchester, how about objecting to the shops run by notorious tax-dodgers? I find the presence of British Home Stores, Dorothy Perkins etc grossly offensive, and I would never buy from them, but I put up with their presence in our town because life is too short to be objecting to everything.
Good luck to Rebecca and her partner for catering to a section of society which it seems is not adequately provided for at the moment.
Congratulations to Rebecca for keeping this debate going. And good luck to her and her partner once the establishment opens. It won't affect schools because - Rebecca tells us - it will only be open in the evening. Why should this club be any worse as a neighbour than the sex shops in Butt Road and Alexandra Road, where children pass by all the time without batting an eyelid? The club will be in Lexden, but so what? The immediate neighbourhood is purely commmercial. Only some parts of Lexden are leafy and posh. Other parts, e.g. just beyond Aldi. are very down-at-heel. If we want to object to something in Colchester, how about objecting to the shops run by notorious tax-dodgers? I find the presence of British Home Stores, Dorothy Perkins etc grossly offensive, and I would never buy from them, but I put up with their presence in our town because life is too short to be objecting to everything. Good luck to Rebecca and her partner for catering to a section of society which it seems is not adequately provided for at the moment. Boris
  • Score: -13

12:58am Sun 26 Jan 14

Boris says...

Rebecca, I foergot to congratulate you also for your patience and consistently polite replies to practically everybody so far, even to those who have been so rude to you. You clearly believe in the adage that "the customer is always right", even when that is clearly not true.
Rebecca, I foergot to congratulate you also for your patience and consistently polite replies to practically everybody so far, even to those who have been so rude to you. You clearly believe in the adage that "the customer is always right", even when that is clearly not true. Boris
  • Score: -11

2:58am Sun 26 Jan 14

Stickman55 says...

All_talk_no_action wrote:
PaulWagland wrote:
The people who get most angry about stuff like this are usually those most in need of a good lay. It's a private members club... how about a little live and let live?
So true!
Thank you Rebecca for your informative replies and my wife and I look forward to the opening of your private members social club I am sure the local community will soon find something else that is far more important to gripe about and you will be along with those more enlightened people be able to get on with enjoying their lifestyle choices unimpeded ..good luck and don't give up , we know many good hard working healthy open minded couple's who cannot wait to have a place to meet up ...
[quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulWagland[/bold] wrote: The people who get most angry about stuff like this are usually those most in need of a good lay. It's a private members club... how about a little live and let live?[/p][/quote]So true![/p][/quote]Thank you Rebecca for your informative replies and my wife and I look forward to the opening of your private members social club I am sure the local community will soon find something else that is far more important to gripe about and you will be along with those more enlightened people be able to get on with enjoying their lifestyle choices unimpeded ..good luck and don't give up , we know many good hard working healthy open minded couple's who cannot wait to have a place to meet up ... Stickman55
  • Score: -11

3:03am Sun 26 Jan 14

Stickman55 says...

All_talk_no_action wrote:
PaulWagland wrote:
The people who get most angry about stuff like this are usually those most in need of a good lay. It's a private members club... how about a little live and let live?
So true!
Thank you Rebecca for your informative replies and my wife and I look forward to the opening of your private members social club I am sure the local community will soon find something else that is far more important to gripe about and you will be along with those more enlightened people be able to get on with enjoying their lifestyle choices unimpeded ..good luck and don't give up , we know many good hard working healthy open minded couple's who cannot wait to have a place to meet up ...
[quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulWagland[/bold] wrote: The people who get most angry about stuff like this are usually those most in need of a good lay. It's a private members club... how about a little live and let live?[/p][/quote]So true![/p][/quote]Thank you Rebecca for your informative replies and my wife and I look forward to the opening of your private members social club I am sure the local community will soon find something else that is far more important to gripe about and you will be along with those more enlightened people be able to get on with enjoying their lifestyle choices unimpeded ..good luck and don't give up , we know many good hard working healthy open minded couple's who cannot wait to have a place to meet up ... Stickman55
  • Score: -13

4:15pm Sun 26 Jan 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

Boris wrote:
Rebecca, I foergot to congratulate you also for your patience and consistently polite replies to practically everybody so far, even to those who have been so rude to you. You clearly believe in the adage that "the customer is always right", even when that is clearly not true.
Oh well Boris you will be getting a free one?
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: Rebecca, I foergot to congratulate you also for your patience and consistently polite replies to practically everybody so far, even to those who have been so rude to you. You clearly believe in the adage that "the customer is always right", even when that is clearly not true.[/p][/quote]Oh well Boris you will be getting a free one? A Very Private Gentleman
  • Score: -11

10:45pm Sun 26 Jan 14

omgwtfbbq says...

seems some ain't getting any so they are a bit jealous of them that are
seems some ain't getting any so they are a bit jealous of them that are omgwtfbbq
  • Score: -10

1:25am Mon 27 Jan 14

Boris says...

A Very Private Gentleman wrote:
Boris wrote:
Rebecca, I foergot to congratulate you also for your patience and consistently polite replies to practically everybody so far, even to those who have been so rude to you. You clearly believe in the adage that "the customer is always right", even when that is clearly not true.
Oh well Boris you will be getting a free one?
I doubt that. Also I am not that interested in that kind of thing. But a lot of people are, and I wish them joy. Anyway, you go along there when it opens, have a great time. "Vive le sport."
[quote][p][bold]A Very Private Gentleman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: Rebecca, I foergot to congratulate you also for your patience and consistently polite replies to practically everybody so far, even to those who have been so rude to you. You clearly believe in the adage that "the customer is always right", even when that is clearly not true.[/p][/quote]Oh well Boris you will be getting a free one?[/p][/quote]I doubt that. Also I am not that interested in that kind of thing. But a lot of people are, and I wish them joy. Anyway, you go along there when it opens, have a great time. "Vive le sport." Boris
  • Score: -10

9:09am Mon 27 Jan 14

PaulWagland says...

Someone has obviously discovered that you can 'vote' on comments more than once. Last night my comment had about +60 votes and HamiltonAndy had about -40. This morning those figures are reversed. How odd lol.
Someone has obviously discovered that you can 'vote' on comments more than once. Last night my comment had about +60 votes and HamiltonAndy had about -40. This morning those figures are reversed. How odd lol. PaulWagland
  • Score: -10

9:47am Mon 27 Jan 14

zt00013 says...

shadylady wrote:
As a local resident living less than 300 yards from this I can honestly say when I bought my house I never in a million years thought that there would be something like this almost on my doorstep. I am not narrow minded and I appreciate that there are people that enjoy this way of life but I really don't think this is the best place for such an establishment. I would like to know if the proprietor of A1 models is entirely happy with this, my son always used to go there for train set and scalextric bits, but I don't think I would be overly happy for him to go there on his own when this place is open.
How many people that think this is ok actually live anywhere near it, I'm sorry but it isn't far off a knocking shop. What people do in the privacy of their own homes is up to them but l for one, along with several other people that live locally am not happy about this. It's alright to say if you don't like it then move but why should I....... I have lived here for more than 20 years and can't afford to move even if I wanted to.
Why don't the owners, who live miles away, open it on their doorstep instead!!!!
If I had the money I would pay for you to leave, send you somewhere where the residents and community shared ignorant views and level of education.

These is literally no point in answering your comment with a rational argument. You're simply ignorant and not very bright. WONT SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
[quote][p][bold]shadylady[/bold] wrote: As a local resident living less than 300 yards from this I can honestly say when I bought my house I never in a million years thought that there would be something like this almost on my doorstep. I am not narrow minded and I appreciate that there are people that enjoy this way of life but I really don't think this is the best place for such an establishment. I would like to know if the proprietor of A1 models is entirely happy with this, my son always used to go there for train set and scalextric bits, but I don't think I would be overly happy for him to go there on his own when this place is open. How many people that think this is ok actually live anywhere near it, I'm sorry but it isn't far off a knocking shop. What people do in the privacy of their own homes is up to them but l for one, along with several other people that live locally am not happy about this. It's alright to say if you don't like it then move but why should I....... I have lived here for more than 20 years and can't afford to move even if I wanted to. Why don't the owners, who live miles away, open it on their doorstep instead!!!![/p][/quote]If I had the money I would pay for you to leave, send you somewhere where the residents and community shared ignorant views and level of education. These is literally no point in answering your comment with a rational argument. You're simply ignorant and not very bright. WONT SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN! zt00013
  • Score: -9

12:08pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Hamiltonandy says...

Good point by "PaulWagland". I never bothered to tick anything but it is interesting to see what other people think. Some may be nervous about expressing their views but will tick support/opposition.
Good point by "PaulWagland". I never bothered to tick anything but it is interesting to see what other people think. Some may be nervous about expressing their views but will tick support/opposition. Hamiltonandy
  • Score: 2

2:36pm Mon 27 Jan 14

justwondering says...

PaulWagland wrote:
Someone has obviously discovered that you can 'vote' on comments more than once. Last night my comment had about +60 votes and HamiltonAndy had about -40. This morning those figures are reversed. How odd lol.
I find that very strange too Paul, but it is extremely obvious that there is someone on this thread that has ulterior motives and nothing connected to the actual use of the building.

I wonder if there would be this furore if it was going to be a gay, lesbian, black, or Asian business ? it is persecution at its most vulgar, these people may be in minority but they have every right to be who they want to be without being insulted, abused and threatened. Some of the comments by people on this thread are disgusting and they should be ashamed of yourselves.

It is extremely ignorant to think that there will be an affect on the people in the local vicinity.

The main road next to the proposed club has various take-away's and a betting shop which causes no end of problems for the local residents due to traffic etc, the proprietors of this business have said they would make it a condition of membership that no-one parks along Back Lane. It will be open in the evenings when there are few people around, these people would obviously be quiet and leave discretely not disturbing anyone so what is the problem ?

I think the complaints are pure discrimination and persecution. How do these people who are against this business know that their neighbour, brother, sister, mother, friend, doctor, dentist are not interested or have participated in this way of life ?

Am pretty certain that there are lots more potential businesses that could cause more upheaval and problems to us locals than this, be careful what you wish for because if this doesn't get permission then god only knows what we will get !
[quote][p][bold]PaulWagland[/bold] wrote: Someone has obviously discovered that you can 'vote' on comments more than once. Last night my comment had about +60 votes and HamiltonAndy had about -40. This morning those figures are reversed. How odd lol.[/p][/quote]I find that very strange too Paul, but it is extremely obvious that there is someone on this thread that has ulterior motives and nothing connected to the actual use of the building. I wonder if there would be this furore if it was going to be a gay, lesbian, black, or Asian business ? it is persecution at its most vulgar, these people may be in minority but they have every right to be who they want to be without being insulted, abused and threatened. Some of the comments by people on this thread are disgusting and they should be ashamed of yourselves. It is extremely ignorant to think that there will be an affect on the people in the local vicinity. The main road next to the proposed club has various take-away's and a betting shop which causes no end of problems for the local residents due to traffic etc, the proprietors of this business have said they would make it a condition of membership that no-one parks along Back Lane. It will be open in the evenings when there are few people around, these people would obviously be quiet and leave discretely not disturbing anyone so what is the problem ? I think the complaints are pure discrimination and persecution. How do these people who are against this business know that their neighbour, brother, sister, mother, friend, doctor, dentist are not interested or have participated in this way of life ? Am pretty certain that there are lots more potential businesses that could cause more upheaval and problems to us locals than this, be careful what you wish for because if this doesn't get permission then god only knows what we will get ! justwondering
  • Score: -5

2:53pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Catchedicam says...

Hamiltonandy wrote:
Good point by "PaulWagland". I never bothered to tick anything but it is interesting to see what other people think. Some may be nervous about expressing their views but will tick support/opposition.
Why on earth would this perfectly reasonable and rational comment get several thumbs down? Whilst I may disagree with Andy over this issue, this smacks of a vendetta against him. Pretty disgraceful.
[quote][p][bold]Hamiltonandy[/bold] wrote: Good point by "PaulWagland". I never bothered to tick anything but it is interesting to see what other people think. Some may be nervous about expressing their views but will tick support/opposition.[/p][/quote]Why on earth would this perfectly reasonable and rational comment get several thumbs down? Whilst I may disagree with Andy over this issue, this smacks of a vendetta against him. Pretty disgraceful. Catchedicam
  • Score: 6

3:06pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Hamiltonandy says...

"Catchedicam" should relax. The great thing about this forum everyone has their say or can tick their view on a comment. It costs nothing and only takes a minute.
Unfortunately few go further and write to the Gazette although their view is worth as much as regular contributors. Even fewer bother to go to council meetings and point out the facts of financial life to our gently slumbering public representatives.
"Catchedicam" should relax. The great thing about this forum everyone has their say or can tick their view on a comment. It costs nothing and only takes a minute. Unfortunately few go further and write to the Gazette although their view is worth as much as regular contributors. Even fewer bother to go to council meetings and point out the facts of financial life to our gently slumbering public representatives. Hamiltonandy
  • Score: 3

6:33pm Mon 27 Jan 14

NolongerGREATBritain says...

Not my cup of tea but I really don't care what goes into that unit, if it was an open-fronted club like in Amsterdam then I would understand the outrage! As for it being near a school, what a ridiculous comment. The club wont be open whilst the school is, and as Catchedicam says, they are not paedophiles they are swingers! HUGE DIFFERENCE
Not my cup of tea but I really don't care what goes into that unit, if it was an open-fronted club like in Amsterdam then I would understand the outrage! As for it being near a school, what a ridiculous comment. The club wont be open whilst the school is, and as Catchedicam says, they are not paedophiles they are swingers! HUGE DIFFERENCE NolongerGREATBritain
  • Score: -5

12:54pm Tue 28 Jan 14

zt00013 says...

shadylady wrote:
As a local resident living less than 300 yards from this I can honestly say when I bought my house I never in a million years thought that there would be something like this almost on my doorstep. I am not narrow minded and I appreciate that there are people that enjoy this way of life but I really don't think this is the best place for such an establishment. I would like to know if the proprietor of A1 models is entirely happy with this, my son always used to go there for train set and scalextric bits, but I don't think I would be overly happy for him to go there on his own when this place is open.
How many people that think this is ok actually live anywhere near it, I'm sorry but it isn't far off a knocking shop. What people do in the privacy of their own homes is up to them but l for one, along with several other people that live locally am not happy about this. It's alright to say if you don't like it then move but why should I....... I have lived here for more than 20 years and can't afford to move even if I wanted to.
Why don't the owners, who live miles away, open it on their doorstep instead!!!!
There seems to be consensus on this forum. Though, the likes on the comments are the inverse of the consensus. It would seem those that oppose this planning application are doing so based purely upon their own ignorant views and in knowledge of this are unable to produce even the modicum of a rational response on this forum. Certainly, if there ever was proof planning permission should go ahead, this is it.
[quote][p][bold]shadylady[/bold] wrote: As a local resident living less than 300 yards from this I can honestly say when I bought my house I never in a million years thought that there would be something like this almost on my doorstep. I am not narrow minded and I appreciate that there are people that enjoy this way of life but I really don't think this is the best place for such an establishment. I would like to know if the proprietor of A1 models is entirely happy with this, my son always used to go there for train set and scalextric bits, but I don't think I would be overly happy for him to go there on his own when this place is open. How many people that think this is ok actually live anywhere near it, I'm sorry but it isn't far off a knocking shop. What people do in the privacy of their own homes is up to them but l for one, along with several other people that live locally am not happy about this. It's alright to say if you don't like it then move but why should I....... I have lived here for more than 20 years and can't afford to move even if I wanted to. Why don't the owners, who live miles away, open it on their doorstep instead!!!![/p][/quote]There seems to be consensus on this forum. Though, the likes on the comments are the inverse of the consensus. It would seem those that oppose this planning application are doing so based purely upon their own ignorant views and in knowledge of this are unable to produce even the modicum of a rational response on this forum. Certainly, if there ever was proof planning permission should go ahead, this is it. zt00013
  • Score: -8

1:25pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Hamiltonandy says...

So no doubt no 13 will be expressing support on the planning application. After all I am sure the council would love to read his views and know who it is that holds them. As the owner and his sidekick seem to have gone into hiding I doubt they feel your confidence of public support..
So no doubt no 13 will be expressing support on the planning application. After all I am sure the council would love to read his views and know who it is that holds them. As the owner and his sidekick seem to have gone into hiding I doubt they feel your confidence of public support.. Hamiltonandy
  • Score: 10

9:57pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Harry.Brown says...

PaulWagland wrote:
Someone has obviously discovered that you can 'vote' on comments more than once. Last night my comment had about +60 votes and HamiltonAndy had about -40. This morning those figures are reversed. How odd lol.
who cares paul they all seem like tw*ts on this page site.
little things please tiny minds
i am surprised that some of them can use a PC
LOL
FO LOL
[quote][p][bold]PaulWagland[/bold] wrote: Someone has obviously discovered that you can 'vote' on comments more than once. Last night my comment had about +60 votes and HamiltonAndy had about -40. This morning those figures are reversed. How odd lol.[/p][/quote]who cares paul they all seem like tw*ts on this page site. little things please tiny minds i am surprised that some of them can use a PC LOL FO LOL Harry.Brown
  • Score: -11

11:29pm Tue 28 Jan 14

stevedawson says...

Hope your service at the club is better than the brewers fare at wyvale abysmal. Walked out and went to the swan, night out saved.
Hope your service at the club is better than the brewers fare at wyvale abysmal. Walked out and went to the swan, night out saved. stevedawson
  • Score: 7

2:11pm Wed 29 Jan 14

pin4apple says...

Oh come on people, its not going to affect anyone but the grown adults/couples who will be taking advantage of it. The owners have already stipulated all the rules they propose to use. They are genuine business people who do not want to cause anyone any grief but wish to utilise a building they already have and personally its not my cup of tea but I understand that it is for others, they are not going to be walking out of the establishment wearing loads of fetish gear, you probably wouldn't recognise a swinger if you bumped into one, they are ordinary people like me and you. You all have your vices and fun times, this is theirs. At 2am in the morning everyone will be snoring their heads off. There is so much more important things going on out there and this is just such a minute issue. The noise will be kept to a minimum, its not a nightclub. I would understand if it were a nightclub! Or late opening bar where people are getting tanked up and smashed glasses everywhere, its just a small discreet form of entertainment for grown couples who prefer to swing than watch coronation street :-)
Oh come on people, its not going to affect anyone but the grown adults/couples who will be taking advantage of it. The owners have already stipulated all the rules they propose to use. They are genuine business people who do not want to cause anyone any grief but wish to utilise a building they already have and personally its not my cup of tea but I understand that it is for others, they are not going to be walking out of the establishment wearing loads of fetish gear, you probably wouldn't recognise a swinger if you bumped into one, they are ordinary people like me and you. You all have your vices and fun times, this is theirs. At 2am in the morning everyone will be snoring their heads off. There is so much more important things going on out there and this is just such a minute issue. The noise will be kept to a minimum, its not a nightclub. I would understand if it were a nightclub! Or late opening bar where people are getting tanked up and smashed glasses everywhere, its just a small discreet form of entertainment for grown couples who prefer to swing than watch coronation street :-) pin4apple
  • Score: -8

5:22pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Linda Gosling says...

Stick them in the business park plenty of free space and lets be frank it is a business. Smarten up council and move these clubs to business only areas because it is a business not a social club and as letting the house out to others on the non business days what is that about.. There is no place for this sort of set up in a residential area and you really should not try to force people to accept it. As for the club at St Botolph's ..Climax? nothing left for the imagination for travelers to our new bus station.. or children passing by.
Stick them in the business park plenty of free space and lets be frank it is a business. Smarten up council and move these clubs to business only areas because it is a business not a social club and as letting the house out to others on the non business days what is that about.. There is no place for this sort of set up in a residential area and you really should not try to force people to accept it. As for the club at St Botolph's ..Climax? nothing left for the imagination for travelers to our new bus station.. or children passing by. Linda Gosling
  • Score: 15

5:38pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Catchedicam says...

Linda Gosling wrote:
Stick them in the business park plenty of free space and lets be frank it is a business. Smarten up council and move these clubs to business only areas because it is a business not a social club and as letting the house out to others on the non business days what is that about.. There is no place for this sort of set up in a residential area and you really should not try to force people to accept it. As for the club at St Botolph's ..Climax? nothing left for the imagination for travelers to our new bus station.. or children passing by.
Linda, this is a business premises in a business area, squeezed between a model shop and a tyre fitters outside some of the busiest traffic lights in colchester, and just along the road from Aldi, and a kitchen shop. The nearest lived in house is quite some distance away from it. Can't get much more business than that even on a business park.
[quote][p][bold]Linda Gosling[/bold] wrote: Stick them in the business park plenty of free space and lets be frank it is a business. Smarten up council and move these clubs to business only areas because it is a business not a social club and as letting the house out to others on the non business days what is that about.. There is no place for this sort of set up in a residential area and you really should not try to force people to accept it. As for the club at St Botolph's ..Climax? nothing left for the imagination for travelers to our new bus station.. or children passing by.[/p][/quote]Linda, this is a business premises in a business area, squeezed between a model shop and a tyre fitters outside some of the busiest traffic lights in colchester, and just along the road from Aldi, and a kitchen shop. The nearest lived in house is quite some distance away from it. Can't get much more business than that even on a business park. Catchedicam
  • Score: -5

8:03pm Wed 29 Jan 14

tugboatsr says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
I'm with Andy on this one. Sleepy Stanway does not need this sort of thing. Having lived close to one such unnofficial establishment in Prettygate, one would have thought that swingers would be better served (if that is the word) by visiting different private houses at different times. Whilst I accept that swinging is an interest for some peaople, I cannot see where there is a demand for a fixed location in, of all places, Stanway.
Well you would be surprised how many actually live in Stanway and Pretty gate so best be quiet as you may even find there are swingers living next door to you
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: I'm with Andy on this one. Sleepy Stanway does not need this sort of thing. Having lived close to one such unnofficial establishment in Prettygate, one would have thought that swingers would be better served (if that is the word) by visiting different private houses at different times. Whilst I accept that swinging is an interest for some peaople, I cannot see where there is a demand for a fixed location in, of all places, Stanway.[/p][/quote]Well you would be surprised how many actually live in Stanway and Pretty gate so best be quiet as you may even find there are swingers living next door to you tugboatsr
  • Score: -2

10:11pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Jason_Mingles says...

Hamiltonandy wrote:
So no doubt no 13 will be expressing support on the planning application. After all I am sure the council would love to read his views and know who it is that holds them. As the owner and his sidekick seem to have gone into hiding I doubt they feel your confidence of public support..
Dear Mr Hamilton,

I am almost at a loss for words, having afforded you the courtesy of reading both of your planning objections and numerous posts on the gazette website, which equates to well over 1500 words on the subject you are without doubt the most ignorant and perturbed individual regarding our recent planning application.

I accept my original application was misleading over the opening hours of the business and I have done my best to publicly apologise for this in a letter that has been added to the planning website, inserted into the original online gazette posts by Rebecca 12:08pm Fri 24 Jan 2014 and kindly reproduced by the Gazette newspaper on Page 12 Tuesday 28th January 2014.

You claim in numerous posts that we have gone into hiding? If you afforded us the same courtesy as has been extended to you, then you would have read our posts and realised that we have published our email addresses and phone numbers and encouraged anybody who would like talk to us to use these contact details.

Here they are again for you:-
Jason Woolf 07951 720997 - jason@mingles-club.c
o.uk
Rebecca Freeman 07736 049266 - rebecca@mingles-club
.co.uk

In your objection listed on the 25th January at 14:37 you state "I have discussed this proposed use online with the owners", "Essentially I was told you are going to get it whether you want it or not" I would be obliged if you could forward more details because your conversation wasn't with us.

Much of your ignorance in this matter would be diminished if you read the above mentioned information which in collaboration with Rebecca's posts we hope has alleviated most of the nearby residents concerns.

When I bought the property I didn't consider it to be in a particularly residential area, firstly it is on a busy "A" road the A1124, at the rear of the property is a tyre workshop, to one side is the tyre companies store room, the other side an enthusiasts model shop. There are at least three or more commercial properties on either side of these including late night take-away's and a gambling establishment. Opposite there is a large garage for emergency vehicles, an ambulance despatch facility and a bank, non of these are residential.

Our proposal actually minimises any additional traffic or parking issues at busy times as we will mostly operate at different times to the other shops, I could open a "Poundland" or similar during the day but that additional footfall would makes things worse in the area. Those popping in for a few minutes would be likely to abandon their car in back lane, with my proposal our guests will stay for 3-5 hours so they will park responsibly or arrive by taxi.

You have called me an "Arrogant applicant" which I believe is unjust, before the formal application was submitted I prudently paid for a pre-planning report to test if there were any major planning concerns over the proposed use of my building. The response was positive and in accordance with this I am now following the correct planning process, arrogance would be demonstrated by using the building for the proposed use and seeking permission thereafter. I believe that demonstrates beyond reasonable doubt that we fully intend to operate our business in a responsible manner. Using a building without the correct permission is not a criminal offence.

While the planning application is in process we have made modifications to the building in order to satisfy ourselves that we will not cause a disturbance to residents by sound proofing the building. Currently the objections are concerned with potential noise, what nobody realises yet is that we have already been running the sound system late at night far louder than it will be used in practice for testing purposes without any complaints.

On the subject of "The owner refused to sell the property" and "They deliberately set a high price" The price set was less than I paid for the building, in the first 6 months the building was up for sale the best offer was 20% lower than my asking price of £99,000 and therefore not prudent. I did actually receive a better offer towards the end of last year proving the asking price wasn't set too high, but by this time I was already through the pre-planning stage which was positive enough for me to continue that route.

You also stated the commercial estate agent was unprofessional, I checked with him and he has no record of you contacting him regarding my building.

You are correct there has been "A couple in residence" on occasions at 66a London Road, (you must spend a lot of time watching us, the name for that is voyeurism) you are also correct that the building is rated for commercial use, you then continued to question about what would happen if we continue to break council rules now how will we stick to planning permission. What rules are we breaking? The rates on a commercial property are higher than that of a domestic property even though we do not receive such benefits of waste collection etc, we do not require planning permission to use any part of the building to live in. Just to clarify though we do not live in the building, we occasionally stay overnight if we are working late, so again we are not hiding we are just not living in or working in the building this week due to running other businesses.

I will state again I am happy to meet at a mutually convenient time with anyone who still has concerns, I do not feel obligated to do this and it will not make any difference to the decision the planning committee make, but I am willing to listen and discuss any concerns in depth, I genuinely believe our business will not have a negative impact on the area. Mr Hamilton if you would like to meet with me then I think we should invite Ryan Jennings of the gazette who has been very even-handed so far to join us, you may also wish to invite any of the local residents who you have spoken with, so please do not think I'm hiding from you or the local residents, I'm just minding my own business elsewhere.

Finally I realise this is a bit off subject regarding the planning application, however you have been publicly rude about my fiancée and those who chose a swinging lifestyle by calling them "sad people", "Morally deficient", and having a "Degenerate Lifestyle" and so on, I therefore feel the following is somewhat justified:-

You state "A more suitable location would be the local Sodom and Gomorrah that is Queen Street" maybe you think of yourself as the lord and have come to destroy us?

I am not forcing my lifestyle on anyone, you don't have to become a member, in the same way you do not have to gamble in Ladbrokes, simply walk by or drive by without stopping that is your prerogative.

It is clear you think you have a higher moral code, you called swinging morally indefensible, Sir I would welcome a debate on this subject as your morels appear to be based on ancient unproven religious writings, and it appears you feel entitled to force your opinion, slander and try to prevent others from doing something just because you don't approve of it.

My morals are based on a journey towards enlightenment via spiritualism, I am working towards eradicating such emotions as anger, jealousy and judgement from my life, my morals are based on undisputable principles. Please point out anywhere in the bible it entitles you to judge and persecute consenting adults doing as they wish?

The book entitled Power verses Force by Dr David R Hawkins particularly chapters 3 & 4 in recent years gave me a different perspective of life and helped to open my mind and with respect may also give you an opportunity to consider your own parochial view of life.

I think you have damaged your own credibility with the stance you have taken so far, maybe a more sincere and positive approach would better serve your purposes.

Jason Woolf
[quote][p][bold]Hamiltonandy[/bold] wrote: So no doubt no 13 will be expressing support on the planning application. After all I am sure the council would love to read his views and know who it is that holds them. As the owner and his sidekick seem to have gone into hiding I doubt they feel your confidence of public support..[/p][/quote]Dear Mr Hamilton, I am almost at a loss for words, having afforded you the courtesy of reading both of your planning objections and numerous posts on the gazette website, which equates to well over 1500 words on the subject you are without doubt the most ignorant and perturbed individual regarding our recent planning application. I accept my original application was misleading over the opening hours of the business and I have done my best to publicly apologise for this in a letter that has been added to the planning website, inserted into the original online gazette posts by Rebecca 12:08pm Fri 24 Jan 2014 and kindly reproduced by the Gazette newspaper on Page 12 Tuesday 28th January 2014. You claim in numerous posts that we have gone into hiding? If you afforded us the same courtesy as has been extended to you, then you would have read our posts and realised that we have published our email addresses and phone numbers and encouraged anybody who would like talk to us to use these contact details. Here they are again for you:- Jason Woolf 07951 720997 - jason@mingles-club.c o.uk Rebecca Freeman 07736 049266 - rebecca@mingles-club .co.uk In your objection listed on the 25th January at 14:37 you state "I have discussed this proposed use online with the owners", "Essentially I was told you are going to get it whether you want it or not" I would be obliged if you could forward more details because your conversation wasn't with us. Much of your ignorance in this matter would be diminished if you read the above mentioned information which in collaboration with Rebecca's posts we hope has alleviated most of the nearby residents concerns. When I bought the property I didn't consider it to be in a particularly residential area, firstly it is on a busy "A" road the A1124, at the rear of the property is a tyre workshop, to one side is the tyre companies store room, the other side an enthusiasts model shop. There are at least three or more commercial properties on either side of these including late night take-away's and a gambling establishment. Opposite there is a large garage for emergency vehicles, an ambulance despatch facility and a bank, non of these are residential. Our proposal actually minimises any additional traffic or parking issues at busy times as we will mostly operate at different times to the other shops, I could open a "Poundland" or similar during the day but that additional footfall would makes things worse in the area. Those popping in for a few minutes would be likely to abandon their car in back lane, with my proposal our guests will stay for 3-5 hours so they will park responsibly or arrive by taxi. You have called me an "Arrogant applicant" which I believe is unjust, before the formal application was submitted I prudently paid for a pre-planning report to test if there were any major planning concerns over the proposed use of my building. The response was positive and in accordance with this I am now following the correct planning process, arrogance would be demonstrated by using the building for the proposed use and seeking permission thereafter. I believe that demonstrates beyond reasonable doubt that we fully intend to operate our business in a responsible manner. Using a building without the correct permission is not a criminal offence. While the planning application is in process we have made modifications to the building in order to satisfy ourselves that we will not cause a disturbance to residents by sound proofing the building. Currently the objections are concerned with potential noise, what nobody realises yet is that we have already been running the sound system late at night far louder than it will be used in practice for testing purposes without any complaints. On the subject of "The owner refused to sell the property" and "They deliberately set a high price" The price set was less than I paid for the building, in the first 6 months the building was up for sale the best offer was 20% lower than my asking price of £99,000 and therefore not prudent. I did actually receive a better offer towards the end of last year proving the asking price wasn't set too high, but by this time I was already through the pre-planning stage which was positive enough for me to continue that route. You also stated the commercial estate agent was unprofessional, I checked with him and he has no record of you contacting him regarding my building. You are correct there has been "A couple in residence" on occasions at 66a London Road, (you must spend a lot of time watching us, the name for that is voyeurism) you are also correct that the building is rated for commercial use, you then continued to question about what would happen if we continue to break council rules now how will we stick to planning permission. What rules are we breaking? The rates on a commercial property are higher than that of a domestic property even though we do not receive such benefits of waste collection etc, we do not require planning permission to use any part of the building to live in. Just to clarify though we do not live in the building, we occasionally stay overnight if we are working late, so again we are not hiding we are just not living in or working in the building this week due to running other businesses. I will state again I am happy to meet at a mutually convenient time with anyone who still has concerns, I do not feel obligated to do this and it will not make any difference to the decision the planning committee make, but I am willing to listen and discuss any concerns in depth, I genuinely believe our business will not have a negative impact on the area. Mr Hamilton if you would like to meet with me then I think we should invite Ryan Jennings of the gazette who has been very even-handed so far to join us, you may also wish to invite any of the local residents who you have spoken with, so please do not think I'm hiding from you or the local residents, I'm just minding my own business elsewhere. Finally I realise this is a bit off subject regarding the planning application, however you have been publicly rude about my fiancée and those who chose a swinging lifestyle by calling them "sad people", "Morally deficient", and having a "Degenerate Lifestyle" and so on, I therefore feel the following is somewhat justified:- You state "A more suitable location would be the local Sodom and Gomorrah that is Queen Street" maybe you think of yourself as the lord and have come to destroy us? I am not forcing my lifestyle on anyone, you don't have to become a member, in the same way you do not have to gamble in Ladbrokes, simply walk by or drive by without stopping that is your prerogative. It is clear you think you have a higher moral code, you called swinging morally indefensible, Sir I would welcome a debate on this subject as your morels appear to be based on ancient unproven religious writings, and it appears you feel entitled to force your opinion, slander and try to prevent others from doing something just because you don't approve of it. My morals are based on a journey towards enlightenment via spiritualism, I am working towards eradicating such emotions as anger, jealousy and judgement from my life, my morals are based on undisputable principles. Please point out anywhere in the bible it entitles you to judge and persecute consenting adults doing as they wish? The book entitled Power verses Force by Dr David R Hawkins particularly chapters 3 & 4 in recent years gave me a different perspective of life and helped to open my mind and with respect may also give you an opportunity to consider your own parochial view of life. I think you have damaged your own credibility with the stance you have taken so far, maybe a more sincere and positive approach would better serve your purposes. Jason Woolf Jason_Mingles
  • Score: -15

2:40pm Thu 30 Jan 14

SAndrewss says...

I don't think I'd really want to have such an establishment up and running close to me, I wouldn't be vehemently against it, but if given the choice and if such places were necessary, then I'd rather it was somewhere else. I don't live in Stanway, but can sympathise with those who do that are against this proposal.

It does however seem more than a little confrontational and unprofessional for the apparent owner and financier to use an online comments board to hit back at folk who, for whatever reason dislike the idea of the venture.
The types of people who might use the club, are unlikely to take much notice of comments from those who adhere to a more conventional and socially acceptable set of rules, so why bother trying to argue the toss with them?
I don't think I'd really want to have such an establishment up and running close to me, I wouldn't be vehemently against it, but if given the choice and if such places were necessary, then I'd rather it was somewhere else. I don't live in Stanway, but can sympathise with those who do that are against this proposal. It does however seem more than a little confrontational and unprofessional for the apparent owner and financier to use an online comments board to hit back at folk who, for whatever reason dislike the idea of the venture. The types of people who might use the club, are unlikely to take much notice of comments from those who adhere to a more conventional and socially acceptable set of rules, so why bother trying to argue the toss with them? SAndrewss
  • Score: 19

4:52pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Red Tape 2 says...

What next - whorehouses!
What next - whorehouses! Red Tape 2
  • Score: 15

5:04pm Thu 30 Jan 14

zt00013 says...

SAndrewss wrote:
I don't think I'd really want to have such an establishment up and running close to me, I wouldn't be vehemently against it, but if given the choice and if such places were necessary, then I'd rather it was somewhere else. I don't live in Stanway, but can sympathise with those who do that are against this proposal.

It does however seem more than a little confrontational and unprofessional for the apparent owner and financier to use an online comments board to hit back at folk who, for whatever reason dislike the idea of the venture.
The types of people who might use the club, are unlikely to take much notice of comments from those who adhere to a more conventional and socially acceptable set of rules, so why bother trying to argue the toss with them?
No, this is ignorance but dressed up in nice packaging. He was addressing rank ignorance and bigotry, someone needed to offer a firm rebuttal to the Neanderthal views expressed by some on this message board. You have no right on which to judge other people on what will take place behind closed doors at a private members club. What goes on inside the club between consenting adults is and never will be any concern of yours. You have no right to be angry about it, it does not affect you in anyway whatsoever, you just an ignorant bigot. You need to understand your offence has no grounding in logic or reason and your offence does not demand respect. Those expressing such baseless and hateful views need to be told so and told firmly that their views are not acceptable.

Don't for one minute claim that you are the majority, or believe you speak for the majority or the conventional as you put it. You have no idea what people enjoy doing, considering your judgmental attitude, people probably don't reveal much to you.

What makes you believe you can dictate on how consenting adults have sex at a private members club or in their own home, when in no way will their activities affect you?
[quote][p][bold]SAndrewss[/bold] wrote: I don't think I'd really want to have such an establishment up and running close to me, I wouldn't be vehemently against it, but if given the choice and if such places were necessary, then I'd rather it was somewhere else. I don't live in Stanway, but can sympathise with those who do that are against this proposal. It does however seem more than a little confrontational and unprofessional for the apparent owner and financier to use an online comments board to hit back at folk who, for whatever reason dislike the idea of the venture. The types of people who might use the club, are unlikely to take much notice of comments from those who adhere to a more conventional and socially acceptable set of rules, so why bother trying to argue the toss with them?[/p][/quote]No, this is ignorance but dressed up in nice packaging. He was addressing rank ignorance and bigotry, someone needed to offer a firm rebuttal to the Neanderthal views expressed by some on this message board. You have no right on which to judge other people on what will take place behind closed doors at a private members club. What goes on inside the club between consenting adults is and never will be any concern of yours. You have no right to be angry about it, it does not affect you in anyway whatsoever, you just an ignorant bigot. You need to understand your offence has no grounding in logic or reason and your offence does not demand respect. Those expressing such baseless and hateful views need to be told so and told firmly that their views are not acceptable. Don't for one minute claim that you are the majority, or believe you speak for the majority or the conventional as you put it. You have no idea what people enjoy doing, considering your judgmental attitude, people probably don't reveal much to you. What makes you believe you can dictate on how consenting adults have sex at a private members club or in their own home, when in no way will their activities affect you? zt00013
  • Score: -12

5:09pm Thu 30 Jan 14

zt00013 says...

Red Tape 2 wrote:
What next - whorehouses!
We have a new zoo, what next, animal brothels.

The absurdity of your equivocation of swinging and paying for sex.
[quote][p][bold]Red Tape 2[/bold] wrote: What next - whorehouses![/p][/quote]We have a new zoo, what next, animal brothels. The absurdity of your equivocation of swinging and paying for sex. zt00013
  • Score: -10

5:29pm Thu 30 Jan 14

SAndrewss says...

zt00013 wrote:
SAndrewss wrote:
I don't think I'd really want to have such an establishment up and running close to me, I wouldn't be vehemently against it, but if given the choice and if such places were necessary, then I'd rather it was somewhere else. I don't live in Stanway, but can sympathise with those who do that are against this proposal.

It does however seem more than a little confrontational and unprofessional for the apparent owner and financier to use an online comments board to hit back at folk who, for whatever reason dislike the idea of the venture.
The types of people who might use the club, are unlikely to take much notice of comments from those who adhere to a more conventional and socially acceptable set of rules, so why bother trying to argue the toss with them?
No, this is ignorance but dressed up in nice packaging. He was addressing rank ignorance and bigotry, someone needed to offer a firm rebuttal to the Neanderthal views expressed by some on this message board. You have no right on which to judge other people on what will take place behind closed doors at a private members club. What goes on inside the club between consenting adults is and never will be any concern of yours. You have no right to be angry about it, it does not affect you in anyway whatsoever, you just an ignorant bigot. You need to understand your offence has no grounding in logic or reason and your offence does not demand respect. Those expressing such baseless and hateful views need to be told so and told firmly that their views are not acceptable.

Don't for one minute claim that you are the majority, or believe you speak for the majority or the conventional as you put it. You have no idea what people enjoy doing, considering your judgmental attitude, people probably don't reveal much to you.

What makes you believe you can dictate on how consenting adults have sex at a private members club or in their own home, when in no way will their activities affect you?
I don't believe I did. Nice rant though.
[quote][p][bold]zt00013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAndrewss[/bold] wrote: I don't think I'd really want to have such an establishment up and running close to me, I wouldn't be vehemently against it, but if given the choice and if such places were necessary, then I'd rather it was somewhere else. I don't live in Stanway, but can sympathise with those who do that are against this proposal. It does however seem more than a little confrontational and unprofessional for the apparent owner and financier to use an online comments board to hit back at folk who, for whatever reason dislike the idea of the venture. The types of people who might use the club, are unlikely to take much notice of comments from those who adhere to a more conventional and socially acceptable set of rules, so why bother trying to argue the toss with them?[/p][/quote]No, this is ignorance but dressed up in nice packaging. He was addressing rank ignorance and bigotry, someone needed to offer a firm rebuttal to the Neanderthal views expressed by some on this message board. You have no right on which to judge other people on what will take place behind closed doors at a private members club. What goes on inside the club between consenting adults is and never will be any concern of yours. You have no right to be angry about it, it does not affect you in anyway whatsoever, you just an ignorant bigot. You need to understand your offence has no grounding in logic or reason and your offence does not demand respect. Those expressing such baseless and hateful views need to be told so and told firmly that their views are not acceptable. Don't for one minute claim that you are the majority, or believe you speak for the majority or the conventional as you put it. You have no idea what people enjoy doing, considering your judgmental attitude, people probably don't reveal much to you. What makes you believe you can dictate on how consenting adults have sex at a private members club or in their own home, when in no way will their activities affect you?[/p][/quote]I don't believe I did. Nice rant though. SAndrewss
  • Score: 15

9:42pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Biglad121 says...

Does it matter are they hurting anyone no as long as the place is clean it sounds like partners are warred to me
Does it matter are they hurting anyone no as long as the place is clean it sounds like partners are warred to me Biglad121
  • Score: -14

10:38pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Misski says...

Rhodry wrote:
shadylady wrote:
I really want to know how many people would be happy to have this on their doorstep.
A-ha !
So there we go.
The real reason is not a moral crusade as some contributors would have us believe.
Rather just a NIMBY attitude.
To be honest I don't blame you either.
If I chose to live in the middle of a busy town I wouldn't want certain establishments next door to me either.
A McDonalds or other fast food joint, a pub, a bookies etc. etc....
So Shadylady et al you must all live next door, or very close the establishment I take it????
If so may I suggest that you choose not to live in an area that has commercial buildings, it is after all your choice.
I live near a school and so I have to put up with neighbours who have children ( and we all know what they got up to in order to have children the naughty fornicators !!!). But that was my choice to live here.
You chose to live in the middle of a busy town and surround yourself with commercial buildings. Don't complain that you might possibly get disturbed by them.
You could of course be stoking up more trouble for yourselves if the owner decides instead to sell his property. You could well end up with a nice Weatherspoons on your doorstep.
Cheers !
Of course it is possible that you don't actually live next door to the establishment.
Or close by.
Or within half a mile.
Or anywhere near to it come to that matter.
It is of course possible that you just like moaning to hear your own voice or see your own name in print.
But if in fact you do leave next door I'll wave to you when I go to the swingers club in town.
I'm not into swinging and have never been to a swingers club before but seeing as you are making so much of a fuss about it you obviously do know a lot about swingers clubs.
And I can tell by the the wording of the objections that are being posted it must be a really fun place, because you all obviously frown very heavily on fun.
So count me in Mingles and keep me advised of your grand opening date,
I'm sure it will be a huge success with all the wonderful free publicity you are getting (you couldn't possibly buy this).


I
Where this building is proposed is not a commercial area..google map it...it's a main road full of houses...a long long road with aldi and quant shops at one end and a few schools.....seriousl
y go google map it!
[quote][p][bold]Rhodry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shadylady[/bold] wrote: I really want to know how many people would be happy to have this on their doorstep.[/p][/quote]A-ha ! So there we go. The real reason is not a moral crusade as some contributors would have us believe. Rather just a NIMBY attitude. To be honest I don't blame you either. If I chose to live in the middle of a busy town I wouldn't want certain establishments next door to me either. A McDonalds or other fast food joint, a pub, a bookies etc. etc.... So Shadylady et al you must all live next door, or very close the establishment I take it???? If so may I suggest that you choose not to live in an area that has commercial buildings, it is after all your choice. I live near a school and so I have to put up with neighbours who have children ( and we all know what they got up to in order to have children the naughty fornicators !!!). But that was my choice to live here. You chose to live in the middle of a busy town and surround yourself with commercial buildings. Don't complain that you might possibly get disturbed by them. You could of course be stoking up more trouble for yourselves if the owner decides instead to sell his property. You could well end up with a nice Weatherspoons on your doorstep. Cheers ! Of course it is possible that you don't actually live next door to the establishment. Or close by. Or within half a mile. Or anywhere near to it come to that matter. It is of course possible that you just like moaning to hear your own voice or see your own name in print. But if in fact you do leave next door I'll wave to you when I go to the swingers club in town. I'm not into swinging and have never been to a swingers club before but seeing as you are making so much of a fuss about it you obviously do know a lot about swingers clubs. And I can tell by the the wording of the objections that are being posted it must be a really fun place, because you all obviously frown very heavily on fun. So count me in Mingles and keep me advised of your grand opening date, I'm sure it will be a huge success with all the wonderful free publicity you are getting (you couldn't possibly buy this). I[/p][/quote]Where this building is proposed is not a commercial area..google map it...it's a main road full of houses...a long long road with aldi and quant shops at one end and a few schools.....seriousl y go google map it! Misski
  • Score: 8

10:43pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Catchedicam says...

Misski wrote:
Rhodry wrote:
shadylady wrote:
I really want to know how many people would be happy to have this on their doorstep.
A-ha !
So there we go.
The real reason is not a moral crusade as some contributors would have us believe.
Rather just a NIMBY attitude.
To be honest I don't blame you either.
If I chose to live in the middle of a busy town I wouldn't want certain establishments next door to me either.
A McDonalds or other fast food joint, a pub, a bookies etc. etc....
So Shadylady et al you must all live next door, or very close the establishment I take it????
If so may I suggest that you choose not to live in an area that has commercial buildings, it is after all your choice.
I live near a school and so I have to put up with neighbours who have children ( and we all know what they got up to in order to have children the naughty fornicators !!!). But that was my choice to live here.
You chose to live in the middle of a busy town and surround yourself with commercial buildings. Don't complain that you might possibly get disturbed by them.
You could of course be stoking up more trouble for yourselves if the owner decides instead to sell his property. You could well end up with a nice Weatherspoons on your doorstep.
Cheers !
Of course it is possible that you don't actually live next door to the establishment.
Or close by.
Or within half a mile.
Or anywhere near to it come to that matter.
It is of course possible that you just like moaning to hear your own voice or see your own name in print.
But if in fact you do leave next door I'll wave to you when I go to the swingers club in town.
I'm not into swinging and have never been to a swingers club before but seeing as you are making so much of a fuss about it you obviously do know a lot about swingers clubs.
And I can tell by the the wording of the objections that are being posted it must be a really fun place, because you all obviously frown very heavily on fun.
So count me in Mingles and keep me advised of your grand opening date,
I'm sure it will be a huge success with all the wonderful free publicity you are getting (you couldn't possibly buy this).


I
Where this building is proposed is not a commercial area..google map it...it's a main road full of houses...a long long road with aldi and quant shops at one end and a few schools.....seriousl

y go google map it!
lol try google street view, you are obviously not looking in the right place,!
[quote][p][bold]Misski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shadylady[/bold] wrote: I really want to know how many people would be happy to have this on their doorstep.[/p][/quote]A-ha ! So there we go. The real reason is not a moral crusade as some contributors would have us believe. Rather just a NIMBY attitude. To be honest I don't blame you either. If I chose to live in the middle of a busy town I wouldn't want certain establishments next door to me either. A McDonalds or other fast food joint, a pub, a bookies etc. etc.... So Shadylady et al you must all live next door, or very close the establishment I take it???? If so may I suggest that you choose not to live in an area that has commercial buildings, it is after all your choice. I live near a school and so I have to put up with neighbours who have children ( and we all know what they got up to in order to have children the naughty fornicators !!!). But that was my choice to live here. You chose to live in the middle of a busy town and surround yourself with commercial buildings. Don't complain that you might possibly get disturbed by them. You could of course be stoking up more trouble for yourselves if the owner decides instead to sell his property. You could well end up with a nice Weatherspoons on your doorstep. Cheers ! Of course it is possible that you don't actually live next door to the establishment. Or close by. Or within half a mile. Or anywhere near to it come to that matter. It is of course possible that you just like moaning to hear your own voice or see your own name in print. But if in fact you do leave next door I'll wave to you when I go to the swingers club in town. I'm not into swinging and have never been to a swingers club before but seeing as you are making so much of a fuss about it you obviously do know a lot about swingers clubs. And I can tell by the the wording of the objections that are being posted it must be a really fun place, because you all obviously frown very heavily on fun. So count me in Mingles and keep me advised of your grand opening date, I'm sure it will be a huge success with all the wonderful free publicity you are getting (you couldn't possibly buy this). I[/p][/quote]Where this building is proposed is not a commercial area..google map it...it's a main road full of houses...a long long road with aldi and quant shops at one end and a few schools.....seriousl y go google map it![/p][/quote]lol try google street view, you are obviously not looking in the right place,! Catchedicam
  • Score: -15

10:47pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Misski says...

This makes me so angry. I am not a prude...I really am open minded...I don't judge and don't care what people get up to. But please a swingers club so close to schools!!! Open all day...seriously I know there are many normal people that go to these places but it also could attract those that are a little odd..looking for purely sex...we don't need anymore threat to kids ..we have enough worry about our kids as it is. This should be placed in a non residential area...business center is perfect..amongst adults not families and small kids....members may think this lifestyle is normal but not all of us do...and I don't want my kids and younger having to walk past his place on their own! I do hope the council think about this carefully....all those people that lived near kings (we lived near it for a few years and it was pure hell) windmill....they will tell u what it's like having a club in a residential area..thank god that's gone!
This makes me so angry. I am not a prude...I really am open minded...I don't judge and don't care what people get up to. But please a swingers club so close to schools!!! Open all day...seriously I know there are many normal people that go to these places but it also could attract those that are a little odd..looking for purely sex...we don't need anymore threat to kids ..we have enough worry about our kids as it is. This should be placed in a non residential area...business center is perfect..amongst adults not families and small kids....members may think this lifestyle is normal but not all of us do...and I don't want my kids and younger having to walk past his place on their own! I do hope the council think about this carefully....all those people that lived near kings (we lived near it for a few years and it was pure hell) windmill....they will tell u what it's like having a club in a residential area..thank god that's gone! Misski
  • Score: 22

11:05pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

Misski wrote:
This makes me so angry. I am not a prude...I really am open minded...I don't judge and don't care what people get up to. But please a swingers club so close to schools!!! Open all day...seriously I know there are many normal people that go to these places but it also could attract those that are a little odd..looking for purely sex...we don't need anymore threat to kids ..we have enough worry about our kids as it is. This should be placed in a non residential area...business center is perfect..amongst adults not families and small kids....members may think this lifestyle is normal but not all of us do...and I don't want my kids and younger having to walk past his place on their own! I do hope the council think about this carefully....all those people that lived near kings (we lived near it for a few years and it was pure hell) windmill....they will tell u what it's like having a club in a residential area..thank god that's gone!
Hi Misski, if you read through all of our comments and the letter printed in the newspaper we clearly state that the club will be open in the evenings only. Members arriving will be dressed just as any adults going out for an evening to a restaurant or pub. The windows have been blocked out and no one passing will see anything other than members entering and exiting a small social club. I would be interested to know what you think you might see walking passed? If we could understand what it is people think they will be seeing outside of the club, we maybe able to offer some reassurance to you? Rebecca
[quote][p][bold]Misski[/bold] wrote: This makes me so angry. I am not a prude...I really am open minded...I don't judge and don't care what people get up to. But please a swingers club so close to schools!!! Open all day...seriously I know there are many normal people that go to these places but it also could attract those that are a little odd..looking for purely sex...we don't need anymore threat to kids ..we have enough worry about our kids as it is. This should be placed in a non residential area...business center is perfect..amongst adults not families and small kids....members may think this lifestyle is normal but not all of us do...and I don't want my kids and younger having to walk past his place on their own! I do hope the council think about this carefully....all those people that lived near kings (we lived near it for a few years and it was pure hell) windmill....they will tell u what it's like having a club in a residential area..thank god that's gone![/p][/quote]Hi Misski, if you read through all of our comments and the letter printed in the newspaper we clearly state that the club will be open in the evenings only. Members arriving will be dressed just as any adults going out for an evening to a restaurant or pub. The windows have been blocked out and no one passing will see anything other than members entering and exiting a small social club. I would be interested to know what you think you might see walking passed? If we could understand what it is people think they will be seeing outside of the club, we maybe able to offer some reassurance to you? Rebecca Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -14

1:21am Fri 31 Jan 14

Hamiltonandy says...

Eighty people plus three staff in this small building. Works out as about 1 square meter per punter if they stay crammed inside. Whatever purple prose comes from these "swingers" the only criteria for the planning committee is the application as submitted. The limited information does include hours from 12.00 to the next day 2.00 hours.
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The determination of Jason Woolf to waste his money on this unacceptable "club" is only matched by the time he is wasting on this hopeless planning application.
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I will repeat that someone has been complaining about my posts and getting them deleted. It will not alter the facts and nor will it stop the protests.
Eighty people plus three staff in this small building. Works out as about 1 square meter per punter if they stay crammed inside. Whatever purple prose comes from these "swingers" the only criteria for the planning committee is the application as submitted. The limited information does include hours from 12.00 to the next day 2.00 hours. . The determination of Jason Woolf to waste his money on this unacceptable "club" is only matched by the time he is wasting on this hopeless planning application. . I will repeat that someone has been complaining about my posts and getting them deleted. It will not alter the facts and nor will it stop the protests. Hamiltonandy
  • Score: 14

9:44am Fri 31 Jan 14

SAndrewss says...

The amount of anger, rudeness, claims of one thing or another, displayed above, is quite ridiculous. Some people are against it, some people aren't, that's just the way of things.

I still find it odd that the owner and his financier has lowered themselves down to the level of squabbling on a local newspaper comments board, it's just my opinion but it seems a bit petty to me.

I'm also wondering what this is all really about, if the club was not for 'swingers' would it then be acceptable in the location proposed? If the answer to that is yes, then it was a bit daft and a potentially catastrophic business decision to announce anything more than a proposal for a members club, surely the smart money would be on obtaining a planning permission for the club and then announcing it's theme/speciality.

It all appears very odd to me, a bit of a stunt perhaps.
The amount of anger, rudeness, claims of one thing or another, displayed above, is quite ridiculous. Some people are against it, some people aren't, that's just the way of things. I still find it odd that the owner and his financier has lowered themselves down to the level of squabbling on a local newspaper comments board, it's just my opinion but it seems a bit petty to me. I'm also wondering what this is all really about, if the club was not for 'swingers' would it then be acceptable in the location proposed? If the answer to that is yes, then it was a bit daft and a potentially catastrophic business decision to announce anything more than a proposal for a members club, surely the smart money would be on obtaining a planning permission for the club and then announcing it's theme/speciality. It all appears very odd to me, a bit of a stunt perhaps. SAndrewss
  • Score: 21

10:08am Fri 31 Jan 14

Finny100 says...

Listen, we don't want your seedy club in our respectable area. Get the message!!

Now go and find somewhere else to peddle your degradation!
Listen, we don't want your seedy club in our respectable area. Get the message!! Now go and find somewhere else to peddle your degradation! Finny100
  • Score: 18

10:17am Fri 31 Jan 14

SAndrewss says...

If people wish to view the Planning Application and comment to object or support then they can do so by visiting the following page:

http://www.planning.
colchester.gov.uk/WA
M/findCaseFile.do?ap
pNumber=140001&appTy
pe&=Planning
If people wish to view the Planning Application and comment to object or support then they can do so by visiting the following page: http://www.planning. colchester.gov.uk/WA M/findCaseFile.do?ap pNumber=140001&appTy pe&=Planning SAndrewss
  • Score: 17

10:24am Fri 31 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

SAndrewss wrote:
The amount of anger, rudeness, claims of one thing or another, displayed above, is quite ridiculous. Some people are against it, some people aren't, that's just the way of things.

I still find it odd that the owner and his financier has lowered themselves down to the level of squabbling on a local newspaper comments board, it's just my opinion but it seems a bit petty to me.

I'm also wondering what this is all really about, if the club was not for 'swingers' would it then be acceptable in the location proposed? If the answer to that is yes, then it was a bit daft and a potentially catastrophic business decision to announce anything more than a proposal for a members club, surely the smart money would be on obtaining a planning permission for the club and then announcing it's theme/speciality.

It all appears very odd to me, a bit of a stunt perhaps.
Hi SAndrews, we don't believe we have lowered ourselves by commenting here, we have stated more than several times that we are just trying to help, by answering questions and giving the members of the local area, the facts as some people had made some assumptions. And on that note, neither myself nor any other member of the business, announced publicly that it was going to be a swingers club. We were merely honest on the planning application by including the details of the business name. It was the local residents and newspapers that looked up the website (one page of a website was uploaded for potential members to view) and made this information public. This information was then printed in the local press and discussed in comments on here. We have only really commented to provide information and correct facts so that the community in Lexden can make informed opinions, should they wish to comment here. We have been thanked on a few occasions that we have taken the time to answer concerns. The majority of concerns raised here are not relevant to planning decisions, as they are based on moral judgements, but we have answered anyway.
[quote][p][bold]SAndrewss[/bold] wrote: The amount of anger, rudeness, claims of one thing or another, displayed above, is quite ridiculous. Some people are against it, some people aren't, that's just the way of things. I still find it odd that the owner and his financier has lowered themselves down to the level of squabbling on a local newspaper comments board, it's just my opinion but it seems a bit petty to me. I'm also wondering what this is all really about, if the club was not for 'swingers' would it then be acceptable in the location proposed? If the answer to that is yes, then it was a bit daft and a potentially catastrophic business decision to announce anything more than a proposal for a members club, surely the smart money would be on obtaining a planning permission for the club and then announcing it's theme/speciality. It all appears very odd to me, a bit of a stunt perhaps.[/p][/quote]Hi SAndrews, we don't believe we have lowered ourselves by commenting here, we have stated more than several times that we are just trying to help, by answering questions and giving the members of the local area, the facts as some people had made some assumptions. And on that note, neither myself nor any other member of the business, announced publicly that it was going to be a swingers club. We were merely honest on the planning application by including the details of the business name. It was the local residents and newspapers that looked up the website (one page of a website was uploaded for potential members to view) and made this information public. This information was then printed in the local press and discussed in comments on here. We have only really commented to provide information and correct facts so that the community in Lexden can make informed opinions, should they wish to comment here. We have been thanked on a few occasions that we have taken the time to answer concerns. The majority of concerns raised here are not relevant to planning decisions, as they are based on moral judgements, but we have answered anyway. Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -18

10:35am Fri 31 Jan 14

Hamiltonandy says...

Interesting comment from "SAndrews". The whole point about this forum is that everyone can have their say. Unfortunately few are willing to write to the papers even though the local papers want a variety of views. At council meetings I have seen public speakers on a variety of topics politely listened to and then ignored. So this forum allows people to speak freely and anonymously if they are timid.
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The owner of 66a London Road is Jason Woolf and he is financing this sex club. He appears to be manager of Frontline Printing in Harlow with his fiancée Rebecca Freeman as sales manager. A previous company was Mid Essex Printers. The printing business is very competitive and customers are spoilt for choice. A good reputation is hard to establish but bad publicity, even if not of your making, can destroy it overnight.

I would never judge people on what they may have done in the past but solely on what they intend to do now. Jason Woolf has all the facts and knows that the protests will not go away. He cannot complain he did not know or whinge afterwards.
Interesting comment from "SAndrews". The whole point about this forum is that everyone can have their say. Unfortunately few are willing to write to the papers even though the local papers want a variety of views. At council meetings I have seen public speakers on a variety of topics politely listened to and then ignored. So this forum allows people to speak freely and anonymously if they are timid. . The owner of 66a London Road is Jason Woolf and he is financing this sex club. He appears to be manager of Frontline Printing in Harlow with his fiancée Rebecca Freeman as sales manager. A previous company was Mid Essex Printers. The printing business is very competitive and customers are spoilt for choice. A good reputation is hard to establish but bad publicity, even if not of your making, can destroy it overnight. I would never judge people on what they may have done in the past but solely on what they intend to do now. Jason Woolf has all the facts and knows that the protests will not go away. He cannot complain he did not know or whinge afterwards. Hamiltonandy
  • Score: 16

11:04am Fri 31 Jan 14

SAndrewss says...

Rebecca_Mingles wrote:
SAndrewss wrote:
The amount of anger, rudeness, claims of one thing or another, displayed above, is quite ridiculous. Some people are against it, some people aren't, that's just the way of things.

I still find it odd that the owner and his financier has lowered themselves down to the level of squabbling on a local newspaper comments board, it's just my opinion but it seems a bit petty to me.

I'm also wondering what this is all really about, if the club was not for 'swingers' would it then be acceptable in the location proposed? If the answer to that is yes, then it was a bit daft and a potentially catastrophic business decision to announce anything more than a proposal for a members club, surely the smart money would be on obtaining a planning permission for the club and then announcing it's theme/speciality.

It all appears very odd to me, a bit of a stunt perhaps.
Hi SAndrews, we don't believe we have lowered ourselves by commenting here, we have stated more than several times that we are just trying to help, by answering questions and giving the members of the local area, the facts as some people had made some assumptions. And on that note, neither myself nor any other member of the business, announced publicly that it was going to be a swingers club. We were merely honest on the planning application by including the details of the business name. It was the local residents and newspapers that looked up the website (one page of a website was uploaded for potential members to view) and made this information public. This information was then printed in the local press and discussed in comments on here. We have only really commented to provide information and correct facts so that the community in Lexden can make informed opinions, should they wish to comment here. We have been thanked on a few occasions that we have taken the time to answer concerns. The majority of concerns raised here are not relevant to planning decisions, as they are based on moral judgements, but we have answered anyway.
Unfortunately, the concerns of local people, is very much a planning consideration, the fact that the Planning Application has already been called in by members so that it is heard before committee is testament to that.
Becoming embroiled in arguments, in some sort of a campaign to prove to everybody that their opinions are baseless, is at best counter productive for you. There is no small amount of arrogance put on display if you think you are able to alleviate peoples complaints in the manner you are attempting.
In terms of being successful with your planning application, you have if anything, been too open and have shot yourself in the foot. You can complain that it was the press or local people who got wind of things, but the reality is you simply haven't been smart enough.
The big complaint certainly appears to come from a moral point of view, but the reality is that there is a whole host of reasons at the councils disposal why they are able to refuse the application, and my money is on a committee meeting on 27th February refusing the application based on the location of the premises alone.

May I ask if there is a particular reason why this location is chosen? Is it simply that these premises are in Jasons ownership at the current time? I really do suspect that you would be more successful if you based your business in one of the many empty and available properties in the town centre.

I wish you luck in your endeavors, but I think you are being delusional if you think there is any prospect whatsoever of being successful with the current proposals.
[quote][p][bold]Rebecca_Mingles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAndrewss[/bold] wrote: The amount of anger, rudeness, claims of one thing or another, displayed above, is quite ridiculous. Some people are against it, some people aren't, that's just the way of things. I still find it odd that the owner and his financier has lowered themselves down to the level of squabbling on a local newspaper comments board, it's just my opinion but it seems a bit petty to me. I'm also wondering what this is all really about, if the club was not for 'swingers' would it then be acceptable in the location proposed? If the answer to that is yes, then it was a bit daft and a potentially catastrophic business decision to announce anything more than a proposal for a members club, surely the smart money would be on obtaining a planning permission for the club and then announcing it's theme/speciality. It all appears very odd to me, a bit of a stunt perhaps.[/p][/quote]Hi SAndrews, we don't believe we have lowered ourselves by commenting here, we have stated more than several times that we are just trying to help, by answering questions and giving the members of the local area, the facts as some people had made some assumptions. And on that note, neither myself nor any other member of the business, announced publicly that it was going to be a swingers club. We were merely honest on the planning application by including the details of the business name. It was the local residents and newspapers that looked up the website (one page of a website was uploaded for potential members to view) and made this information public. This information was then printed in the local press and discussed in comments on here. We have only really commented to provide information and correct facts so that the community in Lexden can make informed opinions, should they wish to comment here. We have been thanked on a few occasions that we have taken the time to answer concerns. The majority of concerns raised here are not relevant to planning decisions, as they are based on moral judgements, but we have answered anyway.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately, the concerns of local people, is very much a planning consideration, the fact that the Planning Application has already been called in by members so that it is heard before committee is testament to that. Becoming embroiled in arguments, in some sort of a campaign to prove to everybody that their opinions are baseless, is at best counter productive for you. There is no small amount of arrogance put on display if you think you are able to alleviate peoples complaints in the manner you are attempting. In terms of being successful with your planning application, you have if anything, been too open and have shot yourself in the foot. You can complain that it was the press or local people who got wind of things, but the reality is you simply haven't been smart enough. The big complaint certainly appears to come from a moral point of view, but the reality is that there is a whole host of reasons at the councils disposal why they are able to refuse the application, and my money is on a committee meeting on 27th February refusing the application based on the location of the premises alone. May I ask if there is a particular reason why this location is chosen? Is it simply that these premises are in Jasons ownership at the current time? I really do suspect that you would be more successful if you based your business in one of the many empty and available properties in the town centre. I wish you luck in your endeavors, but I think you are being delusional if you think there is any prospect whatsoever of being successful with the current proposals. SAndrewss
  • Score: 17

11:18am Fri 31 Jan 14

Rebecca_Mingles says...

SAndrewss wrote:
Rebecca_Mingles wrote:
SAndrewss wrote:
The amount of anger, rudeness, claims of one thing or another, displayed above, is quite ridiculous. Some people are against it, some people aren't, that's just the way of things.

I still find it odd that the owner and his financier has lowered themselves down to the level of squabbling on a local newspaper comments board, it's just my opinion but it seems a bit petty to me.

I'm also wondering what this is all really about, if the club was not for 'swingers' would it then be acceptable in the location proposed? If the answer to that is yes, then it was a bit daft and a potentially catastrophic business decision to announce anything more than a proposal for a members club, surely the smart money would be on obtaining a planning permission for the club and then announcing it's theme/speciality.

It all appears very odd to me, a bit of a stunt perhaps.
Hi SAndrews, we don't believe we have lowered ourselves by commenting here, we have stated more than several times that we are just trying to help, by answering questions and giving the members of the local area, the facts as some people had made some assumptions. And on that note, neither myself nor any other member of the business, announced publicly that it was going to be a swingers club. We were merely honest on the planning application by including the details of the business name. It was the local residents and newspapers that looked up the website (one page of a website was uploaded for potential members to view) and made this information public. This information was then printed in the local press and discussed in comments on here. We have only really commented to provide information and correct facts so that the community in Lexden can make informed opinions, should they wish to comment here. We have been thanked on a few occasions that we have taken the time to answer concerns. The majority of concerns raised here are not relevant to planning decisions, as they are based on moral judgements, but we have answered anyway.
Unfortunately, the concerns of local people, is very much a planning consideration, the fact that the Planning Application has already been called in by members so that it is heard before committee is testament to that.
Becoming embroiled in arguments, in some sort of a campaign to prove to everybody that their opinions are baseless, is at best counter productive for you. There is no small amount of arrogance put on display if you think you are able to alleviate peoples complaints in the manner you are attempting.
In terms of being successful with your planning application, you have if anything, been too open and have shot yourself in the foot. You can complain that it was the press or local people who got wind of things, but the reality is you simply haven't been smart enough.
The big complaint certainly appears to come from a moral point of view, but the reality is that there is a whole host of reasons at the councils disposal why they are able to refuse the application, and my money is on a committee meeting on 27th February refusing the application based on the location of the premises alone.

May I ask if there is a particular reason why this location is chosen? Is it simply that these premises are in Jasons ownership at the current time? I really do suspect that you would be more successful if you based your business in one of the many empty and available properties in the town centre.

I wish you luck in your endeavors, but I think you are being delusional if you think there is any prospect whatsoever of being successful with the current proposals.
Yes of course, the building was indeed already owned by Jason. We looked at all aspects of potential issues with a club being located there before deciding to go ahead with the change of use application. It is mostly commercial around the building, the car parking is more than sufficient (in our opinion based on our knowledge of members and other clubs), and the noise testing we have carried out confirms that we will not be affecting local residents and the only thing we can be guilty of is not being clever, you are probably right. We have tried to be honest rather than play a game and be underhanded in this. The other issue residents seem to have is this idea that people / children walking passed will see something. I have asked the question but no one as yet has answered. We aren't sure what residents thing they will be seeing? The building is a plain looking white building and will remain a such should planning be granted. We haven't nor would ever think that we would change peoples opinions of swinging, however as already stated we really have only tried to respond to incorrect facts. With the facts clear, it is totally up to everyone to have their own opinions.
[quote][p][bold]SAndrewss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebecca_Mingles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAndrewss[/bold] wrote: The amount of anger, rudeness, claims of one thing or another, displayed above, is quite ridiculous. Some people are against it, some people aren't, that's just the way of things. I still find it odd that the owner and his financier has lowered themselves down to the level of squabbling on a local newspaper comments board, it's just my opinion but it seems a bit petty to me. I'm also wondering what this is all really about, if the club was not for 'swingers' would it then be acceptable in the location proposed? If the answer to that is yes, then it was a bit daft and a potentially catastrophic business decision to announce anything more than a proposal for a members club, surely the smart money would be on obtaining a planning permission for the club and then announcing it's theme/speciality. It all appears very odd to me, a bit of a stunt perhaps.[/p][/quote]Hi SAndrews, we don't believe we have lowered ourselves by commenting here, we have stated more than several times that we are just trying to help, by answering questions and giving the members of the local area, the facts as some people had made some assumptions. And on that note, neither myself nor any other member of the business, announced publicly that it was going to be a swingers club. We were merely honest on the planning application by including the details of the business name. It was the local residents and newspapers that looked up the website (one page of a website was uploaded for potential members to view) and made this information public. This information was then printed in the local press and discussed in comments on here. We have only really commented to provide information and correct facts so that the community in Lexden can make informed opinions, should they wish to comment here. We have been thanked on a few occasions that we have taken the time to answer concerns. The majority of concerns raised here are not relevant to planning decisions, as they are based on moral judgements, but we have answered anyway.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately, the concerns of local people, is very much a planning consideration, the fact that the Planning Application has already been called in by members so that it is heard before committee is testament to that. Becoming embroiled in arguments, in some sort of a campaign to prove to everybody that their opinions are baseless, is at best counter productive for you. There is no small amount of arrogance put on display if you think you are able to alleviate peoples complaints in the manner you are attempting. In terms of being successful with your planning application, you have if anything, been too open and have shot yourself in the foot. You can complain that it was the press or local people who got wind of things, but the reality is you simply haven't been smart enough. The big complaint certainly appears to come from a moral point of view, but the reality is that there is a whole host of reasons at the councils disposal why they are able to refuse the application, and my money is on a committee meeting on 27th February refusing the application based on the location of the premises alone. May I ask if there is a particular reason why this location is chosen? Is it simply that these premises are in Jasons ownership at the current time? I really do suspect that you would be more successful if you based your business in one of the many empty and available properties in the town centre. I wish you luck in your endeavors, but I think you are being delusional if you think there is any prospect whatsoever of being successful with the current proposals.[/p][/quote]Yes of course, the building was indeed already owned by Jason. We looked at all aspects of potential issues with a club being located there before deciding to go ahead with the change of use application. It is mostly commercial around the building, the car parking is more than sufficient (in our opinion based on our knowledge of members and other clubs), and the noise testing we have carried out confirms that we will not be affecting local residents and the only thing we can be guilty of is not being clever, you are probably right. We have tried to be honest rather than play a game and be underhanded in this. The other issue residents seem to have is this idea that people / children walking passed will see something. I have asked the question but no one as yet has answered. We aren't sure what residents thing they will be seeing? The building is a plain looking white building and will remain a such should planning be granted. We haven't nor would ever think that we would change peoples opinions of swinging, however as already stated we really have only tried to respond to incorrect facts. With the facts clear, it is totally up to everyone to have their own opinions. Rebecca_Mingles
  • Score: -17

11:20am Fri 31 Jan 14

Catchedicam says...

SAndrewss wrote:
Rebecca_Mingles wrote:
SAndrewss wrote:
The amount of anger, rudeness, claims of one thing or another, displayed above, is quite ridiculous. Some people are against it, some people aren't, that's just the way of things.

I still find it odd that the owner and his financier has lowered themselves down to the level of squabbling on a local newspaper comments board, it's just my opinion but it seems a bit petty to me.

I'm also wondering what this is all really about, if the club was not for 'swingers' would it then be acceptable in the location proposed? If the answer to that is yes, then it was a bit daft and a potentially catastrophic business decision to announce anything more than a proposal for a members club, surely the smart money would be on obtaining a planning permission for the club and then announcing it's theme/speciality.

It all appears very odd to me, a bit of a stunt perhaps.
Hi SAndrews, we don't believe we have lowered ourselves by commenting here, we have stated more than several times that we are just trying to help, by answering questions and giving the members of the local area, the facts as some people had made some assumptions. And on that note, neither myself nor any other member of the business, announced publicly that it was going to be a swingers club. We were merely honest on the planning application by including the details of the business name. It was the local residents and newspapers that looked up the website (one page of a website was uploaded for potential members to view) and made this information public. This information was then printed in the local press and discussed in comments on here. We have only really commented to provide information and correct facts so that the community in Lexden can make informed opinions, should they wish to comment here. We have been thanked on a few occasions that we have taken the time to answer concerns. The majority of concerns raised here are not relevant to planning decisions, as they are based on moral judgements, but we have answered anyway.
Unfortunately, the concerns of local people, is very much a planning consideration, the fact that the Planning Application has already been called in by members so that it is heard before committee is testament to that.
Becoming embroiled in arguments, in some sort of a campaign to prove to everybody that their opinions are baseless, is at best counter productive for you. There is no small amount of arrogance put on display if you think you are able to alleviate peoples complaints in the manner you are attempting.
In terms of being successful with your planning application, you have if anything, been too open and have shot yourself in the foot. You can complain that it was the press or local people who got wind of things, but the reality is you simply haven't been smart enough.
The big complaint certainly appears to come from a moral point of view, but the reality is that there is a whole host of reasons at the councils disposal why they are able to refuse the application, and my money is on a committee meeting on 27th February refusing the application based on the location of the premises alone.

May I ask if there is a particular reason why this location is chosen? Is it simply that these premises are in Jasons ownership at the current time? I really do suspect that you would be more successful if you based your business in one of the many empty and available properties in the town centre.

I wish you luck in your endeavors, but I think you are being delusional if you think there is any prospect whatsoever of being successful with the current proposals.
Unfortunately moral concerns of local residents are not a material planning consideration. The decision will be made as you say on the location of the premises and the use to which it is being put, i.e. private members club, as the application is for change of use from one commercial use to another, then transport argument i.e. parking would on the face of it also not be material as that would then exclude use as any other form of commercial premises and if refused on these grounds would most likely be overturned on appeal to the Planning Inspectorate with costs awarded against the council. So while those that feel they occupy the moral high ground (councillors included) expect refusal, I would seriously doubt that their expectations ill be realised and if for some brief moment they are, this will be short lived and costly to the borough and council taxpayers on appeal.
[quote][p][bold]SAndrewss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebecca_Mingles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAndrewss[/bold] wrote: The amount of anger, rudeness, claims of one thing or another, displayed above, is quite ridiculous. Some people are against it, some people aren't, that's just the way of things. I still find it odd that the owner and his financier has lowered themselves down to the level of squabbling on a local newspaper comments board, it's just my opinion but it seems a bit petty to me. I'm also wondering what this is all really about, if the club was not for 'swingers' would it then be acceptable in the location proposed? If the answer to that is yes, then it was a bit daft and a potentially catastrophic business decision to announce anything more than a proposal for a members club, surely the smart money would be on obtaining a planning permission for the club and then announcing it's theme/speciality. It all appears very odd to me, a bit of a stunt perhaps.[/p][/quote]Hi SAndrews, we don't believe we have lowered ourselves by commenting here, we have stated more than several times that we are just trying to help, by answering questions and giving the members of the local area, the facts as some people had made some assumptions. And on that note, neither myself nor any other member of the business, announced publicly that it was going to be a swingers club. We were merely honest on the planning application by including the details of the business name. It was the local residents and newspapers that looked up the website (one page of a website was uploaded for potential members to view) and made this information public. This information was then printed in the local press and discussed in comments on here. We have only really commented to provide information and correct facts so that the community in Lexden can make informed opinions, should they wish to comment here. We have been thanked on a few occasions that we have taken the time to answer concerns. The majority of concerns raised here are not relevant to planning decisions, as they are based on moral judgements, but we have answered anyway.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately, the concerns of local people, is very much a planning consideration, the fact that the Planning Application has already been called in by members so that it is heard before committee is testament to that. Becoming embroiled in arguments, in some sort of a campaign to prove to everybody that their opinions are baseless, is at best counter productive for you. There is no small amount of arrogance put on display if you think you are able to alleviate peoples complaints in the manner you are attempting. In terms of being successful with your planning application, you have if anything, been too open and have shot yourself in the foot. You can complain that it was the press or local people who got wind of things, but the reality is you simply haven't been smart enough. The big complaint certainly appears to come from a moral point of view, but the reality is that there is a whole host of reasons at the councils disposal why they are able to refuse the application, and my money is on a committee meeting on 27th February refusing the application based on the location of the premises alone. May I ask if there is a particular reason why this location is chosen? Is it simply that these premises are in Jasons ownership at the current time? I really do suspect that you would be more successful if you based your business in one of the many empty and available properties in the town centre. I wish you luck in your endeavors, but I think you are being delusional if you think there is any prospect whatsoever of being successful with the current proposals.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately moral concerns of local residents are not a material planning consideration. The decision will be made as you say on the location of the premises and the use to which it is being put, i.e. private members club, as the application is for change of use from one commercial use to another, then transport argument i.e. parking would on the face of it also not be material as that would then exclude use as any other form of commercial premises and if refused on these grounds would most likely be overturned on appeal to the Planning Inspectorate with costs awarded against the council. So while those that feel they occupy the moral high ground (councillors included) expect refusal, I would seriously doubt that their expectations ill be realised and if for some brief moment they are, this will be short lived and costly to the borough and council taxpayers on appeal. Catchedicam
  • Score: -17

11:45am Fri 31 Jan 14

SAndrewss says...

Rebecca_Mingles wrote:
SAndrewss wrote:
Rebecca_Mingles wrote:
SAndrewss wrote:
The amount of anger, rudeness, claims of one thing or another, displayed above, is quite ridiculous. Some people are against it, some people aren't, that's just the way of things.

I still find it odd that the owner and his financier has lowered themselves down to the level of squabbling on a local newspaper comments board, it's just my opinion but it seems a bit petty to me.

I'm also wondering what this is all really about, if the club was not for 'swingers' would it then be acceptable in the location proposed? If the answer to that is yes, then it was a bit daft and a potentially catastrophic business decision to announce anything more than a proposal for a members club, surely the smart money would be on obtaining a planning permission for the club and then announcing it's theme/speciality.

It all appears very odd to me, a bit of a stunt perhaps.
Hi SAndrews, we don't believe we have lowered ourselves by commenting here, we have stated more than several times that we are just trying to help, by answering questions and giving the members of the local area, the facts as some people had made some assumptions. And on that note, neither myself nor any other member of the business, announced publicly that it was going to be a swingers club. We were merely honest on the planning application by including the details of the business name. It was the local residents and newspapers that looked up the website (one page of a website was uploaded for potential members to view) and made this information public. This information was then printed in the local press and discussed in comments on here. We have only really commented to provide information and correct facts so that the community in Lexden can make informed opinions, should they wish to comment here. We have been thanked on a few occasions that we have taken the time to answer concerns. The majority of concerns raised here are not relevant to planning decisions, as they are based on moral judgements, but we have answered anyway.
Unfortunately, the concerns of local people, is very much a planning consideration, the fact that the Planning Application has already been called in by members so that it is heard before committee is testament to that.
Becoming embroiled in arguments, in some sort of a campaign to prove to everybody that their opinions are baseless, is at best counter productive for you. There is no small amount of arrogance put on display if you think you are able to alleviate peoples complaints in the manner you are attempting.
In terms of being successful with your planning application, you have if anything, been too open and have shot yourself in the foot. You can complain that it was the press or local people who got wind of things, but the reality is you simply haven't been smart enough.
The big complaint certainly appears to come from a moral point of view, but the reality is that there is a whole host of reasons at the councils disposal why they are able to refuse the application, and my money is on a committee meeting on 27th February refusing the application based on the location of the premises alone.

May I ask if there is a particular reason why this location is chosen? Is it simply that these premises are in Jasons ownership at the current time? I really do suspect that you would be more successful if you based your business in one of the many empty and available properties in the town centre.

I wish you luck in your endeavors, but I think you are being delusional if you think there is any prospect whatsoever of being successful with the current proposals.
Yes of course, the building was indeed already owned by Jason. We looked at all aspects of potential issues with a club being located there before deciding to go ahead with the change of use application. It is mostly commercial around the building, the car parking is more than sufficient (in our opinion based on our knowledge of members and other clubs), and the noise testing we have carried out confirms that we will not be affecting local residents and the only thing we can be guilty of is not being clever, you are probably right. We have tried to be honest rather than play a game and be underhanded in this. The other issue residents seem to have is this idea that people / children walking passed will see something. I have asked the question but no one as yet has answered. We aren't sure what residents thing they will be seeing? The building is a plain looking white building and will remain a such should planning be granted. We haven't nor would ever think that we would change peoples opinions of swinging, however as already stated we really have only tried to respond to incorrect facts. With the facts clear, it is totally up to everyone to have their own opinions.
I think that no matter how hard you try to explain it, some peoples views are that such an establishment in the area would lower the tone, whether you agree with their views or not is irrelevant, but the chances of you changing them is about the same as your chances (in my opinion) as being successful with your planning application.

I believe that there are a number of reasons the council could use to justify the refusal of the application. Lack of parking is one issue, there are adopted parking standards which are unable to be implemented, yes there are provisions available to use evidence based reasons to reduce the level of parking required, but I can't envisage there being any such acceptable evidence.
40-60 members are to use the club and most will be picked up by taxi, according to the applicant, however there is insufficient facilities to cater for drop off and pick up points, this together with the proximity to a busy junction would impact on the use of the highway and there is potential to interfere with emergency vehicle routes.

If the council want to, they can refuse the application and give policy based reasons to ensure any such decision would be upheld if appealed.

I don't think that there's a cat in hells chance of being successful, but that's just my opinion, we'll give it four weeks and see what the outcome is.
[quote][p][bold]Rebecca_Mingles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAndrewss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebecca_Mingles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAndrewss[/bold] wrote: The amount of anger, rudeness, claims of one thing or another, displayed above, is quite ridiculous. Some people are against it, some people aren't, that's just the way of things. I still find it odd that the owner and his financier has lowered themselves down to the level of squabbling on a local newspaper comments board, it's just my opinion but it seems a bit petty to me. I'm also wondering what this is all really about, if the club was not for 'swingers' would it then be acceptable in the location proposed? If the answer to that is yes, then it was a bit daft and a potentially catastrophic business decision to announce anything more than a proposal for a members club, surely the smart money would be on obtaining a planning permission for the club and then announcing it's theme/speciality. It all appears very odd to me, a bit of a stunt perhaps.[/p][/quote]Hi SAndrews, we don't believe we have lowered ourselves by commenting here, we have stated more than several times that we are just trying to help, by answering questions and giving the members of the local area, the facts as some people had made some assumptions. And on that note, neither myself nor any other member of the business, announced publicly that it was going to be a swingers club. We were merely honest on the planning application by including the details of the business name. It was the local residents and newspapers that looked up the website (one page of a website was uploaded for potential members to view) and made this information public. This information was then printed in the local press and discussed in comments on here. We have only really commented to provide information and correct facts so that the community in Lexden can make informed opinions, should they wish to comment here. We have been thanked on a few occasions that we have taken the time to answer concerns. The majority of concerns raised here are not relevant to planning decisions, as they are based on moral judgements, but we have answered anyway.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately, the concerns of local people, is very much a planning consideration, the fact that the Planning Application has already been called in by members so that it is heard before committee is testament to that. Becoming embroiled in arguments, in some sort of a campaign to prove to everybody that their opinions are baseless, is at best counter productive for you. There is no small amount of arrogance put on display if you think you are able to alleviate peoples complaints in the manner you are attempting. In terms of being successful with your planning application, you have if anything, been too open and have shot yourself in the foot. You can complain that it was the press or local people who got wind of things, but the reality is you simply haven't been smart enough. The big complaint certainly appears to come from a moral point of view, but the reality is that there is a whole host of reasons at the councils disposal why they are able to refuse the application, and my money is on a committee meeting on 27th February refusing the application based on the location of the premises alone. May I ask if there is a particular reason why this location is chosen? Is it simply that these premises are in Jasons ownership at the current time? I really do suspect that you would be more successful if you based your business in one of the many empty and available properties in the town centre. I wish you luck in your endeavors, but I think you are being delusional if you think there is any prospect whatsoever of being successful with the current proposals.[/p][/quote]Yes of course, the building was indeed already owned by Jason. We looked at all aspects of potential issues with a club being located there before deciding to go ahead with the change of use application. It is mostly commercial around the building, the car parking is more than sufficient (in our opinion based on our knowledge of members and other clubs), and the noise testing we have carried out confirms that we will not be affecting local residents and the only thing we can be guilty of is not being clever, you are probably right. We have tried to be honest rather than play a game and be underhanded in this. The other issue residents seem to have is this idea that people / children walking passed will see something. I have asked the question but no one as yet has answered. We aren't sure what residents thing they will be seeing? The building is a plain looking white building and will remain a such should planning be granted. We haven't nor would ever think that we would change peoples opinions of swinging, however as already stated we really have only tried to respond to incorrect facts. With the facts clear, it is totally up to everyone to have their own opinions.[/p][/quote]I think that no matter how hard you try to explain it, some peoples views are that such an establishment in the area would lower the tone, whether you agree with their views or not is irrelevant, but the chances of you changing them is about the same as your chances (in my opinion) as being successful with your planning application. I believe that there are a number of reasons the council could use to justify the refusal of the application. Lack of parking is one issue, there are adopted parking standards which are unable to be implemented, yes there are provisions available to use evidence based reasons to reduce the level of parking required, but I can't envisage there being any such acceptable evidence. 40-60 members are to use the club and most will be picked up by taxi, according to the applicant, however there is insufficient facilities to cater for drop off and pick up points, this together with the proximity to a busy junction would impact on the use of the highway and there is potential to interfere with emergency vehicle routes. If the council want to, they can refuse the application and give policy based reasons to ensure any such decision would be upheld if appealed. I don't think that there's a cat in hells chance of being successful, but that's just my opinion, we'll give it four weeks and see what the outcome is. SAndrewss
  • Score: 14

12:57pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Hamiltonandy says...

Of course you have to factor in the additional cost of security and police attendance to ensure the protests are peaceable. I would be out there protesting today if the sex club owners dared to appear in 66a London Road. He cannot hide for ever!
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It just seems so pointless Jason Woolf persisting in the face of such opposition. He has alternative suitable locations such as Queen Street where it could not get any worse. His behaviour is so reminiscent of Colchester Council as they proudly announce the next publicly financed white elephant. In both cases you have an obdurate refusal to face reality and an money to burn - even in this case it is solely from Jason Woolf!.
Of course you have to factor in the additional cost of security and police attendance to ensure the protests are peaceable. I would be out there protesting today if the sex club owners dared to appear in 66a London Road. He cannot hide for ever! . It just seems so pointless Jason Woolf persisting in the face of such opposition. He has alternative suitable locations such as Queen Street where it could not get any worse. His behaviour is so reminiscent of Colchester Council as they proudly announce the next publicly financed white elephant. In both cases you have an obdurate refusal to face reality and an money to burn - even in this case it is solely from Jason Woolf!. Hamiltonandy
  • Score: 24

11:40am Sat 1 Feb 14

Stickman55 says...

Oh dear now a persons lifestyle choice gets threats of intimidation and violence from what seems like a one person crusade against another,s freedom of choice ,so much uneducated misinformed rubbish about what would be the quietest most peace full club in Essex may be if it was a gay bar with rainbows and flags outside some of the objectors might find this more acceptable , Guess not even a book shop would not be welcome would still probably have mindless protesters burning books which maybe they should try reading and broadening their narrow minds ,...Good luck in your fight for the freedom of lifestyle .
Oh dear now a persons lifestyle choice gets threats of intimidation and violence from what seems like a one person crusade against another,s freedom of choice ,so much uneducated misinformed rubbish about what would be the quietest most peace full club in Essex may be if it was a gay bar with rainbows and flags outside some of the objectors might find this more acceptable , Guess not even a book shop would not be welcome would still probably have mindless protesters burning books which maybe they should try reading and broadening their narrow minds ,...Good luck in your fight for the freedom of lifestyle . Stickman55
  • Score: -16

1:47pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Hamiltonandy says...

As "Stickman" says it is shameful how a wealthy manager of Frontline printer would seek to intimidate local residents by flaunting his lifestyle here. At least in this democracy the protestors will be protected by the police from the morally deficient "swingers". There are plenty of alternative locations such as Queen Street where things could not get worse and he will be with people like himself.
As "Stickman" says it is shameful how a wealthy manager of Frontline printer would seek to intimidate local residents by flaunting his lifestyle here. At least in this democracy the protestors will be protected by the police from the morally deficient "swingers". There are plenty of alternative locations such as Queen Street where things could not get worse and he will be with people like himself. Hamiltonandy
  • Score: 23

7:33pm Sat 1 Feb 14

poppypoppypoppy says...

Some people dont understand this however I dont understand how getting drunk in centre of colchester causing fights urinate all over and being sick is acceptable and having one night stands.at least this will involve your loved one and no frear for excessive drinking as lets face it hard to get laid when drunk. Let the people do what they want to none of us is saint and we all get excited about something. In this case swinging.
Some people dont understand this however I dont understand how getting drunk in centre of colchester causing fights urinate all over and being sick is acceptable and having one night stands.at least this will involve your loved one and no frear for excessive drinking as lets face it hard to get laid when drunk. Let the people do what they want to none of us is saint and we all get excited about something. In this case swinging. poppypoppypoppy
  • Score: -17

2:07am Sun 2 Feb 14

HandyT says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
I'm with Andy on this one. Sleepy Stanway does not need this sort of thing. Having lived close to one such unnofficial establishment in Prettygate, one would have thought that swingers would be better served (if that is the word) by visiting different private houses at different times. Whilst I accept that swinging is an interest for some peaople, I cannot see where there is a demand for a fixed location in, of all places, Stanway.
Suggesting that anyone would be better served by visiting private houses shows that clearly you have no idea about maintaining personal safety. With so many people initiating contact with others on the Internet these days, regardless of what their common interest is, people need safe places to meet others and that is exactly what this club will provide for this community of people.
Jason and Rebecca's upfront openness and honesty should be nothing but praised and applauded. If they had been more succinct or devious minded they could quite easily have hidden their true intentions behind the guise of simply a private members club which could have meant anything at all.
Having worked not far from this place I know the area and do not see any reason why it is not a suitable venue providing the local parking rules are enforced, and there is no reason or evidence to suggest they won't be.
I very much doubt anyone going to this club will wish to draw attention to themselves and as such I'm sure all visitors will behave in a manner that does not make a nuisance or cause any disturbance.
From the posts on here, it seems many of the objectioners of this club would likely equally oppose any sort of establishment that served a minority group of people regardless of which community it served, and such bigoted attitude has no place in today's modern tolerant society.
I wish both of them the best of luck with this venture if for no other reason than to prove all the doubters wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: I'm with Andy on this one. Sleepy Stanway does not need this sort of thing. Having lived close to one such unnofficial establishment in Prettygate, one would have thought that swingers would be better served (if that is the word) by visiting different private houses at different times. Whilst I accept that swinging is an interest for some peaople, I cannot see where there is a demand for a fixed location in, of all places, Stanway.[/p][/quote]Suggesting that anyone would be better served by visiting private houses shows that clearly you have no idea about maintaining personal safety. With so many people initiating contact with others on the Internet these days, regardless of what their common interest is, people need safe places to meet others and that is exactly what this club will provide for this community of people. Jason and Rebecca's upfront openness and honesty should be nothing but praised and applauded. If they had been more succinct or devious minded they could quite easily have hidden their true intentions behind the guise of simply a private members club which could have meant anything at all. Having worked not far from this place I know the area and do not see any reason why it is not a suitable venue providing the local parking rules are enforced, and there is no reason or evidence to suggest they won't be. I very much doubt anyone going to this club will wish to draw attention to themselves and as such I'm sure all visitors will behave in a manner that does not make a nuisance or cause any disturbance. From the posts on here, it seems many of the objectioners of this club would likely equally oppose any sort of establishment that served a minority group of people regardless of which community it served, and such bigoted attitude has no place in today's modern tolerant society. I wish both of them the best of luck with this venture if for no other reason than to prove all the doubters wrong. HandyT
  • Score: -20

2:47am Sun 2 Feb 14

HandyT says...

shadylady wrote:
I really want to know how many people would be happy to have this on their doorstep.
I would positively support this if it was on my doorstep.
Far rather something like this than a shop with constant parking problems of both customers and deliveries, a take away with all the litter, a pub with all the noise and inconsiderate behaviour, worst still an ordinary nightclub, etc..
Whether you agree with what happens inside or not is, and always should be irrelevant as long as no-one gets hurt and everyone is consenting which I'm sure will be the case.
[quote][p][bold]shadylady[/bold] wrote: I really want to know how many people would be happy to have this on their doorstep.[/p][/quote]I would positively support this if it was on my doorstep. Far rather something like this than a shop with constant parking problems of both customers and deliveries, a take away with all the litter, a pub with all the noise and inconsiderate behaviour, worst still an ordinary nightclub, etc.. Whether you agree with what happens inside or not is, and always should be irrelevant as long as no-one gets hurt and everyone is consenting which I'm sure will be the case. HandyT
  • Score: -23

3:03am Sun 2 Feb 14

HandyT says...

justwondering wrote:
PaulWagland wrote:
Someone has obviously discovered that you can 'vote' on comments more than once. Last night my comment had about +60 votes and HamiltonAndy had about -40. This morning those figures are reversed. How odd lol.
I find that very strange too Paul, but it is extremely obvious that there is someone on this thread that has ulterior motives and nothing connected to the actual use of the building.

I wonder if there would be this furore if it was going to be a gay, lesbian, black, or Asian business ? it is persecution at its most vulgar, these people may be in minority but they have every right to be who they want to be without being insulted, abused and threatened. Some of the comments by people on this thread are disgusting and they should be ashamed of yourselves.

It is extremely ignorant to think that there will be an affect on the people in the local vicinity.

The main road next to the proposed club has various take-away's and a betting shop which causes no end of problems for the local residents due to traffic etc, the proprietors of this business have said they would make it a condition of membership that no-one parks along Back Lane. It will be open in the evenings when there are few people around, these people would obviously be quiet and leave discretely not disturbing anyone so what is the problem ?

I think the complaints are pure discrimination and persecution. How do these people who are against this business know that their neighbour, brother, sister, mother, friend, doctor, dentist are not interested or have participated in this way of life ?

Am pretty certain that there are lots more potential businesses that could cause more upheaval and problems to us locals than this, be careful what you wish for because if this doesn't get permission then god only knows what we will get !
My sentiments entirely
[quote][p][bold]justwondering[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulWagland[/bold] wrote: Someone has obviously discovered that you can 'vote' on comments more than once. Last night my comment had about +60 votes and HamiltonAndy had about -40. This morning those figures are reversed. How odd lol.[/p][/quote]I find that very strange too Paul, but it is extremely obvious that there is someone on this thread that has ulterior motives and nothing connected to the actual use of the building. I wonder if there would be this furore if it was going to be a gay, lesbian, black, or Asian business ? it is persecution at its most vulgar, these people may be in minority but they have every right to be who they want to be without being insulted, abused and threatened. Some of the comments by people on this thread are disgusting and they should be ashamed of yourselves. It is extremely ignorant to think that there will be an affect on the people in the local vicinity. The main road next to the proposed club has various take-away's and a betting shop which causes no end of problems for the local residents due to traffic etc, the proprietors of this business have said they would make it a condition of membership that no-one parks along Back Lane. It will be open in the evenings when there are few people around, these people would obviously be quiet and leave discretely not disturbing anyone so what is the problem ? I think the complaints are pure discrimination and persecution. How do these people who are against this business know that their neighbour, brother, sister, mother, friend, doctor, dentist are not interested or have participated in this way of life ? Am pretty certain that there are lots more potential businesses that could cause more upheaval and problems to us locals than this, be careful what you wish for because if this doesn't get permission then god only knows what we will get ![/p][/quote]My sentiments entirely HandyT
  • Score: -17

12:31pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Stickman55 says...

Lets hope that now people who have seen all the informative comments from the mild calm owners of this private club will realise that swingers or people involved in the lifestyle of their choosing are not like the narrow minded bigots and bully boys who obviously have nothing better to do but try and scare potential friendly people away by intimidation even though the place has
not yet opened ,why not at least allow the probationary period and sensible people will then be wondering what all the fuss was about and everyone will be happy ..
Lets hope that now people who have seen all the informative comments from the mild calm owners of this private club will realise that swingers or people involved in the lifestyle of their choosing are not like the narrow minded bigots and bully boys who obviously have nothing better to do but try and scare potential friendly people away by intimidation even though the place has not yet opened ,why not at least allow the probationary period and sensible people will then be wondering what all the fuss was about and everyone will be happy .. Stickman55
  • Score: -14

9:30pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

Hamiltonandy wrote:
Totally unacceptable to propose this offensive business in such a prominent position. The sad people who use this degrading business will inevitably spill out onto the pavement and cause public offence. A more suitable location would be the local Sodom and Gomorrah that is Queen Street. It could join an equally disgusting club located there. Should the applicant succeed in opening this obscenity in attractive Lexden I will be there every day until it closes protesting against this morally indefensible business. It is shameful that anyone would consider proposing this evil enterprise. I look forward to ensuring it is a financial failure.
Oh grow up. Consenting adults, not hurting anyone so why should it bother you. As for spilling out onto the pavement are you suggesting they will fall out of the front door in a frenzy of unbridled passion in full view of passers by.

Get real.

Evil? What's evil about it? Is anyone being tortured or butchered? As long as it is of their own free will and fully consenting adults, doing it behind closed doors what's the problem? Is it hurting you?

Not my thing but if others want to do it, let them.

Save your venom for hate preachers and vile lefties who support them. I find that far more evil and offensive. You could make a start on this website where there are quite a few who are fully supportive of this country being overrun by terrorists - and quite willing to uphold their "human rights".
[quote][p][bold]Hamiltonandy[/bold] wrote: Totally unacceptable to propose this offensive business in such a prominent position. The sad people who use this degrading business will inevitably spill out onto the pavement and cause public offence. A more suitable location would be the local Sodom and Gomorrah that is Queen Street. It could join an equally disgusting club located there. Should the applicant succeed in opening this obscenity in attractive Lexden I will be there every day until it closes protesting against this morally indefensible business. It is shameful that anyone would consider proposing this evil enterprise. I look forward to ensuring it is a financial failure.[/p][/quote]Oh grow up. Consenting adults, not hurting anyone so why should it bother you. As for spilling out onto the pavement are you suggesting they will fall out of the front door in a frenzy of unbridled passion in full view of passers by. Get real. Evil? What's evil about it? Is anyone being tortured or butchered? As long as it is of their own free will and fully consenting adults, doing it behind closed doors what's the problem? Is it hurting you? Not my thing but if others want to do it, let them. Save your venom for hate preachers and vile lefties who support them. I find that far more evil and offensive. You could make a start on this website where there are quite a few who are fully supportive of this country being overrun by terrorists - and quite willing to uphold their "human rights". Kim Gandy
  • Score: -7

9:30pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

Hamiltonandy wrote:
Totally unacceptable to propose this offensive business in such a prominent position. The sad people who use this degrading business will inevitably spill out onto the pavement and cause public offence. A more suitable location would be the local Sodom and Gomorrah that is Queen Street. It could join an equally disgusting club located there. Should the applicant succeed in opening this obscenity in attractive Lexden I will be there every day until it closes protesting against this morally indefensible business. It is shameful that anyone would consider proposing this evil enterprise. I look forward to ensuring it is a financial failure.
Oh grow up. Consenting adults, not hurting anyone so why should it bother you. As for spilling out onto the pavement are you suggesting they will fall out of the front door in a frenzy of unbridled passion in full view of passers by.

Get real.

Evil? What's evil about it? Is anyone being tortured or butchered? As long as it is of their own free will and fully consenting adults, doing it behind closed doors what's the problem? Is it hurting you?

Not my thing but if others want to do it, let them.

Save your venom for hate preachers and vile lefties who support them. I find that far more evil and offensive. You could make a start on this website where there are quite a few who are fully supportive of this country being overrun by terrorists - and quite willing to uphold their "human rights".
[quote][p][bold]Hamiltonandy[/bold] wrote: Totally unacceptable to propose this offensive business in such a prominent position. The sad people who use this degrading business will inevitably spill out onto the pavement and cause public offence. A more suitable location would be the local Sodom and Gomorrah that is Queen Street. It could join an equally disgusting club located there. Should the applicant succeed in opening this obscenity in attractive Lexden I will be there every day until it closes protesting against this morally indefensible business. It is shameful that anyone would consider proposing this evil enterprise. I look forward to ensuring it is a financial failure.[/p][/quote]Oh grow up. Consenting adults, not hurting anyone so why should it bother you. As for spilling out onto the pavement are you suggesting they will fall out of the front door in a frenzy of unbridled passion in full view of passers by. Get real. Evil? What's evil about it? Is anyone being tortured or butchered? As long as it is of their own free will and fully consenting adults, doing it behind closed doors what's the problem? Is it hurting you? Not my thing but if others want to do it, let them. Save your venom for hate preachers and vile lefties who support them. I find that far more evil and offensive. You could make a start on this website where there are quite a few who are fully supportive of this country being overrun by terrorists - and quite willing to uphold their "human rights". Kim Gandy
  • Score: -8

9:42pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

Furthermore I would rather have a swingers' club round the corner from me than a blasted Towie bar like we have in Rayleigh.

I've seen far more obscene creatures rolling around the gutter with everything on show and vomiting all over the place.

The sort of people who frequent social clubs like this have respect for the locals and don't go flashing their bits in the street.

I think Rebecca sounds like a fair minded and reasoned person. She is also very articulate.

And all the thumbs downers show just how many small minded, petulant and sexually repressed people there are on this page.

For god's sake this is 2014.. and what consenting adults choose to do behind closed doors is nobody else's goddam business.
Furthermore I would rather have a swingers' club round the corner from me than a blasted Towie bar like we have in Rayleigh. I've seen far more obscene creatures rolling around the gutter with everything on show and vomiting all over the place. The sort of people who frequent social clubs like this have respect for the locals and don't go flashing their bits in the street. I think Rebecca sounds like a fair minded and reasoned person. She is also very articulate. And all the thumbs downers show just how many small minded, petulant and sexually repressed people there are on this page. For god's sake this is 2014.. and what consenting adults choose to do behind closed doors is nobody else's goddam business. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -7

5:36am Sat 8 Feb 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

If Martin Booth's new novel A VERY PRIVATE GENTLEMAN is a bestseller, expect Italy to become a highly popular tourist destination. His narrator, an international criminal, spends the novel alternately enticing you to join him high in the Italian Apennines and cautiously warning you from trying to find him.
The novel's setting, a small, unnamed, rural Italian village, is exquisite and exquisitely rendered. Booth takes time to describe precisely and poetically the old wine shop run by a maniacal dwarf and an obedient giant, the ancient apothecary whose floorboards have absorbed centuries of spills, and the historic piazzas that inspire nothing but nonchalance in the townspeople who visit them every day.
Clarke, which is not the narrator's real name but an alias, poses as a painter of butterflies, a Nabokovian occupation that allows for such eccentricities as long absences, erratic behavior, and no set schedule. So he often lounges and partakes of local delicacies --- the wine, the home-smoked prosciutto, his two mistresses, all of which he describes in tantalizing detail --- while he practices his true calling. Clarke's real profession is much more sinister than painting insects, although equally artistic. He doesn't reveal it until almost 100 pages in, but hints, "I am the salesman of death ... I do not cause it. I merely arrange for its delivery. I am death's booking-clerk, death's bellhop."
Despite his obsession with privacy and death, Clarke is an endlessly entertaining narrator, and his insights into the international underworld and the human condition are intriguing. "Everyone is a terrorist," he observes. "Everyone carries a gun in his heart. Most do not fire simply because they have no cause to pursue.
Booth's rendering of his narrator's voice is remarkable, both for its consistency and for its intricacy. Not only does Clarke keep his guard up through the novel's course, he also manages to convey a great deal about his antihero without him realizing it. Clarke admits his deception to the reader: "The names are changed, the places changed, the people changed. There are a thousand Piazzas di S. Teresa, ten thousand alleys that have no names ... You will not find me."
But Clarke seems unaware of his own self-deception: while he is astute and witty, he can also occasionally be self-important and even boorish in justifying his very private lifestyle. And he studiously avoids cultivating any lasting human connections while wondering how to make his mark on the world, never realizing that to do one is to ensure the other. But his shortcomings become the book's strengths, for as he contemplates life and death in Italy, his flaws --- and his own ignorance of them --- reveal his surprising depth and complex humanity.
Booth makes A VERY PRIVATE GENTLEMAN more than just a postcard from Italy; the setting has direct thematic relevance to the story. History is not just a recurring motif, but a character in itself, an antagonist who constantly reminds Clarke of his encroaching mortality. What better place to set such a face-off than in the seat of Western history, the land where the Knights Templar roamed, where abandoned castles and churches litter the terrain. Even the view from his window captures eras past: "What I can see, with my pair of compact pocket Yashica binoculars, are five thousand years of history laid out before me as if it were a tapestry upon a cathedral wall, an altar-cloth to the god of time spread over the world."
Ultimately, even the passage of time becomes a delicacy in A VERY PRIVATE GENTLEMAN. With a watchmaker's precision, Booth has written a suspenseful and intricate tale, one that is as inviting as it is cautionary.
If Martin Booth's new novel A VERY PRIVATE GENTLEMAN is a bestseller, expect Italy to become a highly popular tourist destination. His narrator, an international criminal, spends the novel alternately enticing you to join him high in the Italian Apennines and cautiously warning you from trying to find him. The novel's setting, a small, unnamed, rural Italian village, is exquisite and exquisitely rendered. Booth takes time to describe precisely and poetically the old wine shop run by a maniacal dwarf and an obedient giant, the ancient apothecary whose floorboards have absorbed centuries of spills, and the historic piazzas that inspire nothing but nonchalance in the townspeople who visit them every day. Clarke, which is not the narrator's real name but an alias, poses as a painter of butterflies, a Nabokovian occupation that allows for such eccentricities as long absences, erratic behavior, and no set schedule. So he often lounges and partakes of local delicacies --- the wine, the home-smoked prosciutto, his two mistresses, all of which he describes in tantalizing detail --- while he practices his true calling. Clarke's real profession is much more sinister than painting insects, although equally artistic. He doesn't reveal it until almost 100 pages in, but hints, "I am the salesman of death ... I do not cause it. I merely arrange for its delivery. I am death's booking-clerk, death's bellhop." Despite his obsession with privacy and death, Clarke is an endlessly entertaining narrator, and his insights into the international underworld and the human condition are intriguing. "Everyone is a terrorist," he observes. "Everyone carries a gun in his heart. Most do not fire simply because they have no cause to pursue. Booth's rendering of his narrator's voice is remarkable, both for its consistency and for its intricacy. Not only does Clarke keep his guard up through the novel's course, he also manages to convey a great deal about his antihero without him realizing it. Clarke admits his deception to the reader: "The names are changed, the places changed, the people changed. There are a thousand Piazzas di S. Teresa, ten thousand alleys that have no names ... You will not find me." But Clarke seems unaware of his own self-deception: while he is astute and witty, he can also occasionally be self-important and even boorish in justifying his very private lifestyle. And he studiously avoids cultivating any lasting human connections while wondering how to make his mark on the world, never realizing that to do one is to ensure the other. But his shortcomings become the book's strengths, for as he contemplates life and death in Italy, his flaws --- and his own ignorance of them --- reveal his surprising depth and complex humanity. Booth makes A VERY PRIVATE GENTLEMAN more than just a postcard from Italy; the setting has direct thematic relevance to the story. History is not just a recurring motif, but a character in itself, an antagonist who constantly reminds Clarke of his encroaching mortality. What better place to set such a face-off than in the seat of Western history, the land where the Knights Templar roamed, where abandoned castles and churches litter the terrain. Even the view from his window captures eras past: "What I can see, with my pair of compact pocket Yashica binoculars, are five thousand years of history laid out before me as if it were a tapestry upon a cathedral wall, an altar-cloth to the god of time spread over the world." Ultimately, even the passage of time becomes a delicacy in A VERY PRIVATE GENTLEMAN. With a watchmaker's precision, Booth has written a suspenseful and intricate tale, one that is as inviting as it is cautionary. A Very Private Gentleman
  • Score: -5

6:51pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Campbell-Vencarto says...

600 people have read this post with over 170 threads or letters written on the subject.
It is rather controversial and difficult.
We live a good yardage from it, it sounds very much like a club where people will meet and socialize.
We do not envisage scenes akin to The Manor In Stanley Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut!
The building Mr Woolf owns is rather unobtrusive and somewhat an inspiration to be used.
I think we see this club as a venue to meet and court associations and friendships.
There are a number of people that will be offended and this is an emotion and a right that must be respected.
My husband and I have been soulmates and a married couple for nearly 25 years. We have no interest in a venue like this, however some people will and we all must respect this right.
The arguments for this facility will carry on, for and against, only time will provide the outcome to measure its success or need.
Until then I think a little respect and understanding is required to all those that want or do not want this facility.
If the authorities allow this club to open under the guise of the relevant planning law, then that must be respected.

Julie.
600 people have read this post with over 170 threads or letters written on the subject. It is rather controversial and difficult. We live a good yardage from it, it sounds very much like a club where people will meet and socialize. We do not envisage scenes akin to The Manor In Stanley Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut! The building Mr Woolf owns is rather unobtrusive and somewhat an inspiration to be used. I think we see this club as a venue to meet and court associations and friendships. There are a number of people that will be offended and this is an emotion and a right that must be respected. My husband and I have been soulmates and a married couple for nearly 25 years. We have no interest in a venue like this, however some people will and we all must respect this right. The arguments for this facility will carry on, for and against, only time will provide the outcome to measure its success or need. Until then I think a little respect and understanding is required to all those that want or do not want this facility. If the authorities allow this club to open under the guise of the relevant planning law, then that must be respected. Julie. Campbell-Vencarto
  • Score: 10

8:49am Fri 21 Feb 14

checkifstolen says...

maybe the council should take a proper look at were this place wants to be right next door to a model shop were many times you see children with there parents and alone buying from the shop what a discrace this council of colchester is maybe they should get off there back sides and go and take a look of the surrounding area rather than earn thousands of pounds to sit in a chair and say yes to everything without thinking about what irregular activity goes on in certain areas
maybe the council should take a proper look at were this place wants to be right next door to a model shop were many times you see children with there parents and alone buying from the shop what a discrace this council of colchester is maybe they should get off there back sides and go and take a look of the surrounding area rather than earn thousands of pounds to sit in a chair and say yes to everything without thinking about what irregular activity goes on in certain areas checkifstolen
  • Score: -3

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