Firefighters strike action condemned

Essex County Standard: Firefighters strike action condemned Firefighters strike action condemned

FIREFIGHTERS have been accused of putting lives at risk by their own boss.

Chief Fire Officer David Johnson claims if people die during the busiest night of the year the blame lies striking firefighters.

Nationally members of the Fire Brigades’ Union will be striking from 6.30pm until 12.30am on New Year’s Eve.

In Essex striking firefighters have been told they are not welcome back for the rest of the shift and won’t be paid.

It means the service will be working at little over half strength for 15 hours, until 9am on New Year’s Day, instead of the six hours in other areas.

Crews in Essex, unlike elsewhere, won’t be allowed back even if a major incident develops.

In response the Fire Brigades’ Union announced retained firefighters in Essex will strike throughout the period their colleagues are not being paid.

Mr Johnson said: “The taxpayers of Essex foot the bill and I won’t pay firefighters to have a jolly on New Year’s Eve, come back and go to bed for double time and a day off.

“They are being cynical and hypocritical saying I am putting lives in danger by not letting them back when they are the ones going on strike.

“I have spoken to other chief officers who said they would like to do what we are doing but they don’t have the same resilience arrangements.

“If the worst happens and children die it is their making. They are the ones putting lives at risk.”

The service will have 37 fire appliances on the road, about half the normal cover.

A spokesman for the union said: “Essex fire chiefs are putting the people and communities of Essex at unnecessarily increased risk.

“This is punishment meted out locally only for Essex firefighters taking part in a short period of national strike action over pensions.

“Nowhere else in the country has made this decision or is putting their communities at increased.”

FBU General Secretary Matt Wrack added: “This is an incredibly irresponsible decision. It is completely unnecessary and turns the lawful, six-hour national strike called by the FBU into a 15-hour period of significantly reduced 999 cover in Essex on the orders of fire chiefs.

“Everyone knows the stand-in cover during strike periods is unreliable and has a very much reduced capacity to deal with emergencies.”

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1:23pm Thu 26 Dec 13

emcee says...

Quote: "In Essex striking firefighters have been told they are not welcome back for the rest of the shift and won’t be paid."
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Good. No double time for those firemen.
Stands like this, against union attempts at political point scoring, are what is needed. It is a shame the other fire services around the country have no guts to do the same.
Quote: "In Essex striking firefighters have been told they are not welcome back for the rest of the shift and won’t be paid." - Good. No double time for those firemen. Stands like this, against union attempts at political point scoring, are what is needed. It is a shame the other fire services around the country have no guts to do the same. emcee

2:19pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Living the La Vida Legra says...

Well all of my support for the firemen has gone. Always on strike
Do the job your paid for! everyone is fed up with all your greed
Well all of my support for the firemen has gone. Always on strike Do the job your paid for! everyone is fed up with all your greed Living the La Vida Legra

4:12pm Thu 26 Dec 13

John Bull 40 says...

High time the fire brigade was privatised as refuse collection was and you
get a better service.
High time the fire brigade was privatised as refuse collection was and you get a better service. John Bull 40

5:08pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Big Steve says...

David Johnson should be ashamed of himself! He is behaving like a petulant child and if people die during the time that the firemen are prepared to work but he won't let them then it is down to him and no-one else!
David Johnson should be ashamed of himself! He is behaving like a petulant child and if people die during the time that the firemen are prepared to work but he won't let them then it is down to him and no-one else! Big Steve

5:41pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Devils Advocate says...

emcee wrote:
Quote: "In Essex striking firefighters have been told they are not welcome back for the rest of the shift and won’t be paid."
-
Good. No double time for those firemen.
Stands like this, against union attempts at political point scoring, are what is needed. It is a shame the other fire services around the country have no guts to do the same.
There are people in this country who would see you all die if it meant more pennies for them, are you one of those? They are usually to be found looking at the stockmarket pages. They have more money than you will ever dream of, but they will stand and watch as poor people die of starvation so that another 0 can be added to their bank accounts, yet none of you will condemn those real greedy objects.
Before you condemn the fireman, try doing the job they do. Then come and tell others how greedy they are. You get better pay for punching the keys pf a PC than doing their job, Wherever has your sense of fair play gone?
[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: Quote: "In Essex striking firefighters have been told they are not welcome back for the rest of the shift and won’t be paid." - Good. No double time for those firemen. Stands like this, against union attempts at political point scoring, are what is needed. It is a shame the other fire services around the country have no guts to do the same.[/p][/quote]There are people in this country who would see you all die if it meant more pennies for them, are you one of those? They are usually to be found looking at the stockmarket pages. They have more money than you will ever dream of, but they will stand and watch as poor people die of starvation so that another 0 can be added to their bank accounts, yet none of you will condemn those real greedy objects. Before you condemn the fireman, try doing the job they do. Then come and tell others how greedy they are. You get better pay for punching the keys pf a PC than doing their job, Wherever has your sense of fair play gone? Devils Advocate

12:13am Fri 27 Dec 13

jim_bo says...

I thought the busiest night if the year was Bonfire night?
I thought the busiest night if the year was Bonfire night? jim_bo

10:16am Fri 27 Dec 13

raggs says...

if a country allows a banker to take thousands of quid for a single day of fraud / swindling, surely that country can pay a reasonable wage to a lifesaver ? a lifesaver who, unlike his fellow citizen from canary wharf, is a law abiding community member with morals, courage and integrity. if that country refuses then that country has simply failed and failed miserably, and we should work to put it right.
if a country allows a banker to take thousands of quid for a single day of fraud / swindling, surely that country can pay a reasonable wage to a lifesaver ? a lifesaver who, unlike his fellow citizen from canary wharf, is a law abiding community member with morals, courage and integrity. if that country refuses then that country has simply failed and failed miserably, and we should work to put it right. raggs

11:11am Fri 27 Dec 13

Say It As It Is OK? says...

David Johnson, chief Fire Officer, is quoted in the Essex County Standard as saying:

" I won't pay firefighters to have a jolly, come back and go to bed for double time and a day off"

It's time someone stood up to this union, who delights in holding the nation to ransom. The FBU think they deserve special treatment for early retirement when everyone else, including many doing far more physical and equally important work, will have to continue working longer before receiving their pension.
David Johnson, chief Fire Officer, is quoted in the Essex County Standard as saying: " I won't pay firefighters to have a jolly, come back and go to bed for double time and a day off" It's time someone stood up to this union, who delights in holding the nation to ransom. The FBU think they deserve special treatment for early retirement when everyone else, including many doing far more physical and equally important work, will have to continue working longer before receiving their pension. Say It As It Is OK?

12:24pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

There are people in this country who would see you all die if it meant more pennies for them, are you one of those? They are usually to be found playing badminton at your local fire station. They have more money than you will ever dream of, but they will stand and watch as poor people die of fire or smoke so that another 0 can be added to their bank accounts, yet none of you will condemn those real greedy objects.
There are people in this country who would see you all die if it meant more pennies for them, are you one of those? They are usually to be found playing badminton at your local fire station. They have more money than you will ever dream of, but they will stand and watch as poor people die of fire or smoke so that another 0 can be added to their bank accounts, yet none of you will condemn those real greedy objects. Dr Martin

1:50pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Just saying my bit says...

As an individual affected by this pension issue, I'd like to put it across another way. If your mortgage provider has said your payments from now on are going up an extra 6% plus you going to have to pay for and extra 5- 10 years depending on your age plus your house would only ever be worth half of today's value once you pay it off and your mortgage lender after them changes gives themselves an 11 and half % pay rise I'm sure it wouldn't sit comfortably with many people, sorry for comming across as greedy.
As an individual affected by this pension issue, I'd like to put it across another way. If your mortgage provider has said your payments from now on are going up an extra 6% plus you going to have to pay for and extra 5- 10 years depending on your age plus your house would only ever be worth half of today's value once you pay it off and your mortgage lender after them changes gives themselves an 11 and half % pay rise I'm sure it wouldn't sit comfortably with many people, sorry for comming across as greedy. Just saying my bit

3:11pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Say It As It Is OK? says...

Just saying my bit wrote:
As an individual affected by this pension issue, I'd like to put it across another way. If your mortgage provider has said your payments from now on are going up an extra 6% plus you going to have to pay for and extra 5- 10 years depending on your age plus your house would only ever be worth half of today's value once you pay it off and your mortgage lender after them changes gives themselves an 11 and half % pay rise I'm sure it wouldn't sit comfortably with many people, sorry for comming across as greedy.
The analogy you use is flawed. Of course mortgages do go up and down as do house prices. Many home owners are in negative or neutral equity with their mortgages and they will all have to pay more, often for much longer.

The difference with pensions is that, on average, people are living longer and the amount paid into pensions will not cover a retirement income if something is not done. However, you are trying to justify firefighters as being a special case for retiring much earlier than anyone else. If that happened everyone else would be paying even more to top up your public service pension while they will have to continue working even longer. What makes firefighters such a special case? And why don't they consider the situation others are in?

The general public are not happy about earlier retirement and most are sick of listening to the FBU going on about them being special. We are all in this and the only way anyone, including firefighters, can retire earlier is for each person to invest more of their earnings into their own pension because striking and expecting others to pay just won't work!
[quote][p][bold]Just saying my bit[/bold] wrote: As an individual affected by this pension issue, I'd like to put it across another way. If your mortgage provider has said your payments from now on are going up an extra 6% plus you going to have to pay for and extra 5- 10 years depending on your age plus your house would only ever be worth half of today's value once you pay it off and your mortgage lender after them changes gives themselves an 11 and half % pay rise I'm sure it wouldn't sit comfortably with many people, sorry for comming across as greedy.[/p][/quote]The analogy you use is flawed. Of course mortgages do go up and down as do house prices. Many home owners are in negative or neutral equity with their mortgages and they will all have to pay more, often for much longer. The difference with pensions is that, on average, people are living longer and the amount paid into pensions will not cover a retirement income if something is not done. However, you are trying to justify firefighters as being a special case for retiring much earlier than anyone else. If that happened everyone else would be paying even more to top up your public service pension while they will have to continue working even longer. What makes firefighters such a special case? And why don't they consider the situation others are in? The general public are not happy about earlier retirement and most are sick of listening to the FBU going on about them being special. We are all in this and the only way anyone, including firefighters, can retire earlier is for each person to invest more of their earnings into their own pension because striking and expecting others to pay just won't work! Say It As It Is OK?

3:18pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Say It As It Is OK? says...

Where's the edit button?
Sorry in last paragraph I said:
The general public are not happy about earlier retirement.
Meant to say:
The general public are not happy about later retirement.
Where's the edit button? Sorry in last paragraph I said: The general public are not happy about earlier retirement. Meant to say: The general public are not happy about later retirement. Say It As It Is OK?

3:55pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
Just saying my bit wrote:
As an individual affected by this pension issue, I'd like to put it across another way. If your mortgage provider has said your payments from now on are going up an extra 6% plus you going to have to pay for and extra 5- 10 years depending on your age plus your house would only ever be worth half of today's value once you pay it off and your mortgage lender after them changes gives themselves an 11 and half % pay rise I'm sure it wouldn't sit comfortably with many people, sorry for comming across as greedy.
The analogy you use is flawed. Of course mortgages do go up and down as do house prices. Many home owners are in negative or neutral equity with their mortgages and they will all have to pay more, often for much longer.

The difference with pensions is that, on average, people are living longer and the amount paid into pensions will not cover a retirement income if something is not done. However, you are trying to justify firefighters as being a special case for retiring much earlier than anyone else. If that happened everyone else would be paying even more to top up your public service pension while they will have to continue working even longer. What makes firefighters such a special case? And why don't they consider the situation others are in?

The general public are not happy about earlier retirement and most are sick of listening to the FBU going on about them being special. We are all in this and the only way anyone, including firefighters, can retire earlier is for each person to invest more of their earnings into their own pension because striking and expecting others to pay just won't work!
Bloody right, Say It. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is. As you say why should fire-fighters retire earlier than the rest of us? The government has of course just announced that the retirement age will eventually rise to 70, and I for one have no problem with sending somebody on the day before their 70th birthday, into a burning building. What could go wrong? The 69 year old will be just as capable of rescuing me as any 29 year old, obviously. I hope the government are listening to your wise words, Say It, and stop p u s s y footing around, by still allowing these cowards to retire a bit before the rest of us.

And these bloody unions, don't get me started, they need to be banned, always on strike. They even caused the scandal at the hospital as well, with union members whistle blowing on what was going on. Without them, we'd all be in a state of blissful ignorance, they'd be no scandal, and some important, rich, people, will stay have their very well paid jobs.

We're all in this together, and we've all got to tighten our belts, after the Moaists Blair and Brown caused a worldwide economic crash. The MPs are showing restraint with their 11% pay deal, just as the poor bankers are with their bonuses. It's only right that these fat cat fire fighters do like wise. I don't want my taxes going on paying them to retire before 70. I only want my taxes going on useful things, like the renewal of trident, corporate tax breaks, and Lord H's clocking in scam. But no, it won't happen, because it's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is.
[quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just saying my bit[/bold] wrote: As an individual affected by this pension issue, I'd like to put it across another way. If your mortgage provider has said your payments from now on are going up an extra 6% plus you going to have to pay for and extra 5- 10 years depending on your age plus your house would only ever be worth half of today's value once you pay it off and your mortgage lender after them changes gives themselves an 11 and half % pay rise I'm sure it wouldn't sit comfortably with many people, sorry for comming across as greedy.[/p][/quote]The analogy you use is flawed. Of course mortgages do go up and down as do house prices. Many home owners are in negative or neutral equity with their mortgages and they will all have to pay more, often for much longer. The difference with pensions is that, on average, people are living longer and the amount paid into pensions will not cover a retirement income if something is not done. However, you are trying to justify firefighters as being a special case for retiring much earlier than anyone else. If that happened everyone else would be paying even more to top up your public service pension while they will have to continue working even longer. What makes firefighters such a special case? And why don't they consider the situation others are in? The general public are not happy about earlier retirement and most are sick of listening to the FBU going on about them being special. We are all in this and the only way anyone, including firefighters, can retire earlier is for each person to invest more of their earnings into their own pension because striking and expecting others to pay just won't work![/p][/quote]Bloody right, Say It. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is. As you say why should fire-fighters retire earlier than the rest of us? The government has of course just announced that the retirement age will eventually rise to 70, and I for one have no problem with sending somebody on the day before their 70th birthday, into a burning building. What could go wrong? The 69 year old will be just as capable of rescuing me as any 29 year old, obviously. I hope the government are listening to your wise words, Say It, and stop p u s s y footing around, by still allowing these cowards to retire a bit before the rest of us. And these bloody unions, don't get me started, they need to be banned, always on strike. They even caused the scandal at the hospital as well, with union members whistle blowing on what was going on. Without them, we'd all be in a state of blissful ignorance, they'd be no scandal, and some important, rich, people, will stay have their very well paid jobs. We're all in this together, and we've all got to tighten our belts, after the Moaists Blair and Brown caused a worldwide economic crash. The MPs are showing restraint with their 11% pay deal, just as the poor bankers are with their bonuses. It's only right that these fat cat fire fighters do like wise. I don't want my taxes going on paying them to retire before 70. I only want my taxes going on useful things, like the renewal of trident, corporate tax breaks, and Lord H's clocking in scam. But no, it won't happen, because it's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is. Mail Member 4 Colchester

5:53pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

John Bull 40 wrote:
High time the fire brigade was privatised as refuse collection was and you
get a better service.
Yes Privatise this shower, full of militant reds, most of them have second jobs, due to their relaxed working shifts, what is it, 5 on 5 off...
[quote][p][bold]John Bull 40[/bold] wrote: High time the fire brigade was privatised as refuse collection was and you get a better service.[/p][/quote]Yes Privatise this shower, full of militant reds, most of them have second jobs, due to their relaxed working shifts, what is it, 5 on 5 off... Nowthatsworthknowing

6:36pm Fri 27 Dec 13

r84coper says...

Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
John Bull 40 wrote:
High time the fire brigade was privatised as refuse collection was and you
get a better service.
Yes Privatise this shower, full of militant reds, most of them have second jobs, due to their relaxed working shifts, what is it, 5 on 5 off...
Actually its 5 on 3 off (48hours)
[quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Bull 40[/bold] wrote: High time the fire brigade was privatised as refuse collection was and you get a better service.[/p][/quote]Yes Privatise this shower, full of militant reds, most of them have second jobs, due to their relaxed working shifts, what is it, 5 on 5 off...[/p][/quote]Actually its 5 on 3 off (48hours) r84coper

7:33pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
John Bull 40 wrote:
High time the fire brigade was privatised as refuse collection was and you
get a better service.
Yes Privatise this shower, full of militant reds, most of them have second jobs, due to their relaxed working shifts, what is it, 5 on 5 off...
Oh yes, let's privatise! That always works so well, you only have to look at the railways, and fuel, and how great the PFI deals have been for the NHS, to see that. And then let's have an insurance scheme, where if you don't pay, you don't get a hose when you're on fire! These unions are keeping us in the dark ages of thinking of others, and reason, and compassion. As you say, the typical fire-fighter - of which many served in the forces - are just obviously 'militant reds'. It's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is.

Nowthatsworthknowing mad? You only have to look at her (probably)/him, to see he's as sane as I am.
Bah.
[quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Bull 40[/bold] wrote: High time the fire brigade was privatised as refuse collection was and you get a better service.[/p][/quote]Yes Privatise this shower, full of militant reds, most of them have second jobs, due to their relaxed working shifts, what is it, 5 on 5 off...[/p][/quote]Oh yes, let's privatise! That always works so well, you only have to look at the railways, and fuel, and how great the PFI deals have been for the NHS, to see that. And then let's have an insurance scheme, where if you don't pay, you don't get a hose when you're on fire! These unions are keeping us in the dark ages of thinking of others, and reason, and compassion. As you say, the typical fire-fighter - of which many served in the forces - are just obviously 'militant reds'. It's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is. Nowthatsworthknowing mad? You only have to look at her (probably)/him, to see he's as sane as I am. Bah. Mail Member 4 Colchester

7:58pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Just saying my bit says...

Say it as it is ok? I agree my analogy is floored in the point of equity and mortgage rate changes, my analogy was of a detrimental change to an agreed financial contract. Fireman aren't asking for more they just want to keep what they originally agreed to pay into on day 1 of joining the service and this is without going into the finer details of the new pension issues of failing a yearly fitness or medical test, losing upto 60% and having it deferred until 68.

In response to some of the other comments like r84coper said they work a 48 hour week and not all do second jobs, in regards to second jobs I know a lot of 9-5 Monday to Friday workers who do extra work in the evenings and weekends and on their day off some choose to work others don't.
Say it as it is ok? I agree my analogy is floored in the point of equity and mortgage rate changes, my analogy was of a detrimental change to an agreed financial contract. Fireman aren't asking for more they just want to keep what they originally agreed to pay into on day 1 of joining the service and this is without going into the finer details of the new pension issues of failing a yearly fitness or medical test, losing upto 60% and having it deferred until 68. In response to some of the other comments like r84coper said they work a 48 hour week and not all do second jobs, in regards to second jobs I know a lot of 9-5 Monday to Friday workers who do extra work in the evenings and weekends and on their day off some choose to work others don't. Just saying my bit

10:29am Sat 28 Dec 13

shinner says...

I want a job where I can sleep when on nights (with bed provided) play during the day and work the occasional hour or so!
I want a job where I can sleep when on nights (with bed provided) play during the day and work the occasional hour or so! shinner

3:30pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

Dr Martin wrote:
There are people in this country who would see you all die if it meant more pennies for them, are you one of those? They are usually to be found playing badminton at your local fire station. They have more money than you will ever dream of, but they will stand and watch as poor people die of fire or smoke so that another 0 can be added to their bank accounts, yet none of you will condemn those real greedy objects.
They are utter scum, sack them, bring in a private fire team, as service is a joke
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: There are people in this country who would see you all die if it meant more pennies for them, are you one of those? They are usually to be found playing badminton at your local fire station. They have more money than you will ever dream of, but they will stand and watch as poor people die of fire or smoke so that another 0 can be added to their bank accounts, yet none of you will condemn those real greedy objects.[/p][/quote]They are utter scum, sack them, bring in a private fire team, as service is a joke Nowthatsworthknowing

6:27pm Sat 28 Dec 13

r84coper says...

Actually its 5 on 3 off
Actually its 5 on 3 off r84coper

6:41pm Sat 28 Dec 13

r84coper says...

Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
There are people in this country who would see you all die if it meant more pennies for them, are you one of those? They are usually to be found playing badminton at your local fire station. They have more money than you will ever dream of, but they will stand and watch as poor people die of fire or smoke so that another 0 can be added to their bank accounts, yet none of you will condemn those real greedy objects.
They are utter scum, sack them, bring in a private fire team, as service is a joke
Firefighters arnt asking for more! They are fighting to save a pension that COST's them £4000 a year! I hardly call £1600 a month "more money than you can ever dream of". That's why some of them 'have' to do a 2nd job which by the way anyone is in title to do. There is no overtime in the fire service so a 2nd job is the only way to improve income.
Private fire services pay their staff more money than public sector fire services and I'm pretty sure non of them would want to take a massive pay cut to do the same job- would you?
[quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: There are people in this country who would see you all die if it meant more pennies for them, are you one of those? They are usually to be found playing badminton at your local fire station. They have more money than you will ever dream of, but they will stand and watch as poor people die of fire or smoke so that another 0 can be added to their bank accounts, yet none of you will condemn those real greedy objects.[/p][/quote]They are utter scum, sack them, bring in a private fire team, as service is a joke[/p][/quote]Firefighters arnt asking for more! They are fighting to save a pension that COST's them £4000 a year! I hardly call £1600 a month "more money than you can ever dream of". That's why some of them 'have' to do a 2nd job which by the way anyone is in title to do. There is no overtime in the fire service so a 2nd job is the only way to improve income. Private fire services pay their staff more money than public sector fire services and I'm pretty sure non of them would want to take a massive pay cut to do the same job- would you? r84coper

10:04am Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

My comment was made in reaction to an earlier comment by Devils Advocate, I didn't want to reply to it as such to avoid a lengthy class war debate which he goes on about how great things were in the 70's
As a public sector employee (NHS) I think there are many things that we were entitled to but we have now be limited or removed.
eg Guaranteed overtime at overtime rates, employee pension contribution have increased, guaranteed annual pay rise for your first 5 or 6 years,I don't expect new NHS staff can retire at 55 now.I am sure before I retire my pension payments that I have to make will have increased and my eventual pension that I would receive will have gone down.
I think the Fireman's strike is futile, most public sector's pensions are way and above better than most people's who have worked in the private sector, striking about it will only make you as unpopular as M.P's
My comment was made in reaction to an earlier comment by Devils Advocate, I didn't want to reply to it as such to avoid a lengthy class war debate which he goes on about how great things were in the 70's As a public sector employee (NHS) I think there are many things that we were entitled to but we have now be limited or removed. eg Guaranteed overtime at overtime rates, employee pension contribution have increased, guaranteed annual pay rise for your first 5 or 6 years,I don't expect new NHS staff can retire at 55 now.I am sure before I retire my pension payments that I have to make will have increased and my eventual pension that I would receive will have gone down. I think the Fireman's strike is futile, most public sector's pensions are way and above better than most people's who have worked in the private sector, striking about it will only make you as unpopular as M.P's Dr Martin

10:04am Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

**been
**been Dr Martin

10:38am Sun 29 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Dr Martin wrote:
My comment was made in reaction to an earlier comment by Devils Advocate, I didn't want to reply to it as such to avoid a lengthy class war debate which he goes on about how great things were in the 70's
As a public sector employee (NHS) I think there are many things that we were entitled to but we have now be limited or removed.
eg Guaranteed overtime at overtime rates, employee pension contribution have increased, guaranteed annual pay rise for your first 5 or 6 years,I don't expect new NHS staff can retire at 55 now.I am sure before I retire my pension payments that I have to make will have increased and my eventual pension that I would receive will have gone down.
I think the Fireman's strike is futile, most public sector's pensions are way and above better than most people's who have worked in the private sector, striking about it will only make you as unpopular as M.P's
It's always great to see a pleb who knows his place, well done, Dr Martin! As you say, you plebs simply can't expect the sort of pay and conditions you got back in the 70s, it's the economic reality that there isn't the money about any more, not after those Marxists Blair, and Brown, lost all the country's cash down the back of the Downing Street sofa. I just hate the way the poor old bankers keep getting the blame for all this, when they've made so many sacrifices, by giving up all their bonuses. As Boris Johnson says, the super rich are now an oppressed minority in this country. It really is bloody political correctness gone mad.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: My comment was made in reaction to an earlier comment by Devils Advocate, I didn't want to reply to it as such to avoid a lengthy class war debate which he goes on about how great things were in the 70's As a public sector employee (NHS) I think there are many things that we were entitled to but we have now be limited or removed. eg Guaranteed overtime at overtime rates, employee pension contribution have increased, guaranteed annual pay rise for your first 5 or 6 years,I don't expect new NHS staff can retire at 55 now.I am sure before I retire my pension payments that I have to make will have increased and my eventual pension that I would receive will have gone down. I think the Fireman's strike is futile, most public sector's pensions are way and above better than most people's who have worked in the private sector, striking about it will only make you as unpopular as M.P's[/p][/quote]It's always great to see a pleb who knows his place, well done, Dr Martin! As you say, you plebs simply can't expect the sort of pay and conditions you got back in the 70s, it's the economic reality that there isn't the money about any more, not after those Marxists Blair, and Brown, lost all the country's cash down the back of the Downing Street sofa. I just hate the way the poor old bankers keep getting the blame for all this, when they've made so many sacrifices, by giving up all their bonuses. As Boris Johnson says, the super rich are now an oppressed minority in this country. It really is bloody political correctness gone mad. Mail Member 4 Colchester

11:40am Sun 29 Dec 13

JFFs brain says...

Member 4 Colchester - You left out Nazi before Boris, if you're being fair that is!
Member 4 Colchester - You left out Nazi before Boris, if you're being fair that is! JFFs brain

1:30pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
My comment was made in reaction to an earlier comment by Devils Advocate, I didn't want to reply to it as such to avoid a lengthy class war debate which he goes on about how great things were in the 70's
As a public sector employee (NHS) I think there are many things that we were entitled to but we have now be limited or removed.
eg Guaranteed overtime at overtime rates, employee pension contribution have increased, guaranteed annual pay rise for your first 5 or 6 years,I don't expect new NHS staff can retire at 55 now.I am sure before I retire my pension payments that I have to make will have increased and my eventual pension that I would receive will have gone down.
I think the Fireman's strike is futile, most public sector's pensions are way and above better than most people's who have worked in the private sector, striking about it will only make you as unpopular as M.P's
It's always great to see a pleb who knows his place, well done, Dr Martin! As you say, you plebs simply can't expect the sort of pay and conditions you got back in the 70s, it's the economic reality that there isn't the money about any more, not after those Marxists Blair, and Brown, lost all the country's cash down the back of the Downing Street sofa. I just hate the way the poor old bankers keep getting the blame for all this, when they've made so many sacrifices, by giving up all their bonuses. As Boris Johnson says, the super rich are now an oppressed minority in this country. It really is bloody political correctness gone mad.
you would make a very good Bertie Wooster or a Vivian Smith-Smythe-Smith
[quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: My comment was made in reaction to an earlier comment by Devils Advocate, I didn't want to reply to it as such to avoid a lengthy class war debate which he goes on about how great things were in the 70's As a public sector employee (NHS) I think there are many things that we were entitled to but we have now be limited or removed. eg Guaranteed overtime at overtime rates, employee pension contribution have increased, guaranteed annual pay rise for your first 5 or 6 years,I don't expect new NHS staff can retire at 55 now.I am sure before I retire my pension payments that I have to make will have increased and my eventual pension that I would receive will have gone down. I think the Fireman's strike is futile, most public sector's pensions are way and above better than most people's who have worked in the private sector, striking about it will only make you as unpopular as M.P's[/p][/quote]It's always great to see a pleb who knows his place, well done, Dr Martin! As you say, you plebs simply can't expect the sort of pay and conditions you got back in the 70s, it's the economic reality that there isn't the money about any more, not after those Marxists Blair, and Brown, lost all the country's cash down the back of the Downing Street sofa. I just hate the way the poor old bankers keep getting the blame for all this, when they've made so many sacrifices, by giving up all their bonuses. As Boris Johnson says, the super rich are now an oppressed minority in this country. It really is bloody political correctness gone mad.[/p][/quote]you would make a very good Bertie Wooster or a Vivian Smith-Smythe-Smith Dr Martin

2:11pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
My comment was made in reaction to an earlier comment by Devils Advocate, I didn't want to reply to it as such to avoid a lengthy class war debate which he goes on about how great things were in the 70's
As a public sector employee (NHS) I think there are many things that we were entitled to but we have now be limited or removed.
eg Guaranteed overtime at overtime rates, employee pension contribution have increased, guaranteed annual pay rise for your first 5 or 6 years,I don't expect new NHS staff can retire at 55 now.I am sure before I retire my pension payments that I have to make will have increased and my eventual pension that I would receive will have gone down.
I think the Fireman's strike is futile, most public sector's pensions are way and above better than most people's who have worked in the private sector, striking about it will only make you as unpopular as M.P's
It's always great to see a pleb who knows his place, well done, Dr Martin! As you say, you plebs simply can't expect the sort of pay and conditions you got back in the 70s, it's the economic reality that there isn't the money about any more, not after those Marxists Blair, and Brown, lost all the country's cash down the back of the Downing Street sofa. I just hate the way the poor old bankers keep getting the blame for all this, when they've made so many sacrifices, by giving up all their bonuses. As Boris Johnson says, the super rich are now an oppressed minority in this country. It really is bloody political correctness gone mad.
you would make a very good Bertie Wooster or a Vivian Smith-Smythe-Smith
Thank-you. And you would make an excellent Skullion (Porterhouse Blue).
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: My comment was made in reaction to an earlier comment by Devils Advocate, I didn't want to reply to it as such to avoid a lengthy class war debate which he goes on about how great things were in the 70's As a public sector employee (NHS) I think there are many things that we were entitled to but we have now be limited or removed. eg Guaranteed overtime at overtime rates, employee pension contribution have increased, guaranteed annual pay rise for your first 5 or 6 years,I don't expect new NHS staff can retire at 55 now.I am sure before I retire my pension payments that I have to make will have increased and my eventual pension that I would receive will have gone down. I think the Fireman's strike is futile, most public sector's pensions are way and above better than most people's who have worked in the private sector, striking about it will only make you as unpopular as M.P's[/p][/quote]It's always great to see a pleb who knows his place, well done, Dr Martin! As you say, you plebs simply can't expect the sort of pay and conditions you got back in the 70s, it's the economic reality that there isn't the money about any more, not after those Marxists Blair, and Brown, lost all the country's cash down the back of the Downing Street sofa. I just hate the way the poor old bankers keep getting the blame for all this, when they've made so many sacrifices, by giving up all their bonuses. As Boris Johnson says, the super rich are now an oppressed minority in this country. It really is bloody political correctness gone mad.[/p][/quote]you would make a very good Bertie Wooster or a Vivian Smith-Smythe-Smith[/p][/quote]Thank-you. And you would make an excellent Skullion (Porterhouse Blue). Mail Member 4 Colchester

2:45pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

JFFs brain wrote:
Member 4 Colchester - You left out Nazi before Boris, if you're being fair that is!
Boris (Johnson that is, not the regular contributor on here) is certainly going down that very healthy route of eugenics, in his explanations as to the existence of poverty. And in doing so he's embracing a science much loved by the Nazis. But you make it sound like there's something wrong with being a Nazi. I remind you that Hitler was much backed by Tory politicians of the day, that Lord Rothermere supported Mosley's Blackshirts, and Rothermere's Mail described Hitler's election as a 'good thing for Germany, and a good thing for Europe' (this proud history shows why I so rely on the Mail for all my news). Yes, Hitler might have gone a bit too far in the end, but he had good intentions, as his violent hatred of trade unions demonstrated. He wouldn't have tolerated these fire fighters striking, he'd have had them in camps, straight away.

Trouble is, in this day and age, these do-gooders will try to tell us that Hitler was a racist. It's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is.
[quote][p][bold]JFFs brain[/bold] wrote: Member 4 Colchester - You left out Nazi before Boris, if you're being fair that is![/p][/quote]Boris (Johnson that is, not the regular contributor on here) is certainly going down that very healthy route of eugenics, in his explanations as to the existence of poverty. And in doing so he's embracing a science much loved by the Nazis. But you make it sound like there's something wrong with being a Nazi. I remind you that Hitler was much backed by Tory politicians of the day, that Lord Rothermere supported Mosley's Blackshirts, and Rothermere's Mail described Hitler's election as a 'good thing for Germany, and a good thing for Europe' (this proud history shows why I so rely on the Mail for all my news). Yes, Hitler might have gone a bit too far in the end, but he had good intentions, as his violent hatred of trade unions demonstrated. He wouldn't have tolerated these fire fighters striking, he'd have had them in camps, straight away. Trouble is, in this day and age, these do-gooders will try to tell us that Hitler was a racist. It's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is. Mail Member 4 Colchester

3:02pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
My comment was made in reaction to an earlier comment by Devils Advocate, I didn't want to reply to it as such to avoid a lengthy class war debate which he goes on about how great things were in the 70's
As a public sector employee (NHS) I think there are many things that we were entitled to but we have now be limited or removed.
eg Guaranteed overtime at overtime rates, employee pension contribution have increased, guaranteed annual pay rise for your first 5 or 6 years,I don't expect new NHS staff can retire at 55 now.I am sure before I retire my pension payments that I have to make will have increased and my eventual pension that I would receive will have gone down.
I think the Fireman's strike is futile, most public sector's pensions are way and above better than most people's who have worked in the private sector, striking about it will only make you as unpopular as M.P's
It's always great to see a pleb who knows his place, well done, Dr Martin! As you say, you plebs simply can't expect the sort of pay and conditions you got back in the 70s, it's the economic reality that there isn't the money about any more, not after those Marxists Blair, and Brown, lost all the country's cash down the back of the Downing Street sofa. I just hate the way the poor old bankers keep getting the blame for all this, when they've made so many sacrifices, by giving up all their bonuses. As Boris Johnson says, the super rich are now an oppressed minority in this country. It really is bloody political correctness gone mad.
you would make a very good Bertie Wooster or a Vivian Smith-Smythe-Smith
Thank-you. And you would make an excellent Skullion (Porterhouse Blue).
Strange Skullion was a traditionalist, I am certainly not
[quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: My comment was made in reaction to an earlier comment by Devils Advocate, I didn't want to reply to it as such to avoid a lengthy class war debate which he goes on about how great things were in the 70's As a public sector employee (NHS) I think there are many things that we were entitled to but we have now be limited or removed. eg Guaranteed overtime at overtime rates, employee pension contribution have increased, guaranteed annual pay rise for your first 5 or 6 years,I don't expect new NHS staff can retire at 55 now.I am sure before I retire my pension payments that I have to make will have increased and my eventual pension that I would receive will have gone down. I think the Fireman's strike is futile, most public sector's pensions are way and above better than most people's who have worked in the private sector, striking about it will only make you as unpopular as M.P's[/p][/quote]It's always great to see a pleb who knows his place, well done, Dr Martin! As you say, you plebs simply can't expect the sort of pay and conditions you got back in the 70s, it's the economic reality that there isn't the money about any more, not after those Marxists Blair, and Brown, lost all the country's cash down the back of the Downing Street sofa. I just hate the way the poor old bankers keep getting the blame for all this, when they've made so many sacrifices, by giving up all their bonuses. As Boris Johnson says, the super rich are now an oppressed minority in this country. It really is bloody political correctness gone mad.[/p][/quote]you would make a very good Bertie Wooster or a Vivian Smith-Smythe-Smith[/p][/quote]Thank-you. And you would make an excellent Skullion (Porterhouse Blue).[/p][/quote]Strange Skullion was a traditionalist, I am certainly not Dr Martin

3:17pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
My comment was made in reaction to an earlier comment by Devils Advocate, I didn't want to reply to it as such to avoid a lengthy class war debate which he goes on about how great things were in the 70's
As a public sector employee (NHS) I think there are many things that we were entitled to but we have now be limited or removed.
eg Guaranteed overtime at overtime rates, employee pension contribution have increased, guaranteed annual pay rise for your first 5 or 6 years,I don't expect new NHS staff can retire at 55 now.I am sure before I retire my pension payments that I have to make will have increased and my eventual pension that I would receive will have gone down.
I think the Fireman's strike is futile, most public sector's pensions are way and above better than most people's who have worked in the private sector, striking about it will only make you as unpopular as M.P's
It's always great to see a pleb who knows his place, well done, Dr Martin! As you say, you plebs simply can't expect the sort of pay and conditions you got back in the 70s, it's the economic reality that there isn't the money about any more, not after those Marxists Blair, and Brown, lost all the country's cash down the back of the Downing Street sofa. I just hate the way the poor old bankers keep getting the blame for all this, when they've made so many sacrifices, by giving up all their bonuses. As Boris Johnson says, the super rich are now an oppressed minority in this country. It really is bloody political correctness gone mad.
you would make a very good Bertie Wooster or a Vivian Smith-Smythe-Smith
Thank-you. And you would make an excellent Skullion (Porterhouse Blue).
Strange Skullion was a traditionalist, I am certainly not
Really? Earlier you were displaying that admirable pleb quality (epitomised by Skullion) of knowing your place; of siding with your betters, rather than your peers. I hope the servants aren't getting uppity?! You'll end up like sounding akin to one of these fire fighters. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is. Don't ever forget, we really are all in this together.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: My comment was made in reaction to an earlier comment by Devils Advocate, I didn't want to reply to it as such to avoid a lengthy class war debate which he goes on about how great things were in the 70's As a public sector employee (NHS) I think there are many things that we were entitled to but we have now be limited or removed. eg Guaranteed overtime at overtime rates, employee pension contribution have increased, guaranteed annual pay rise for your first 5 or 6 years,I don't expect new NHS staff can retire at 55 now.I am sure before I retire my pension payments that I have to make will have increased and my eventual pension that I would receive will have gone down. I think the Fireman's strike is futile, most public sector's pensions are way and above better than most people's who have worked in the private sector, striking about it will only make you as unpopular as M.P's[/p][/quote]It's always great to see a pleb who knows his place, well done, Dr Martin! As you say, you plebs simply can't expect the sort of pay and conditions you got back in the 70s, it's the economic reality that there isn't the money about any more, not after those Marxists Blair, and Brown, lost all the country's cash down the back of the Downing Street sofa. I just hate the way the poor old bankers keep getting the blame for all this, when they've made so many sacrifices, by giving up all their bonuses. As Boris Johnson says, the super rich are now an oppressed minority in this country. It really is bloody political correctness gone mad.[/p][/quote]you would make a very good Bertie Wooster or a Vivian Smith-Smythe-Smith[/p][/quote]Thank-you. And you would make an excellent Skullion (Porterhouse Blue).[/p][/quote]Strange Skullion was a traditionalist, I am certainly not[/p][/quote]Really? Earlier you were displaying that admirable pleb quality (epitomised by Skullion) of knowing your place; of siding with your betters, rather than your peers. I hope the servants aren't getting uppity?! You'll end up like sounding akin to one of these fire fighters. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is. Don't ever forget, we really are all in this together. Mail Member 4 Colchester

3:19pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
My comment was made in reaction to an earlier comment by Devils Advocate, I didn't want to reply to it as such to avoid a lengthy class war debate which he goes on about how great things were in the 70's
As a public sector employee (NHS) I think there are many things that we were entitled to but we have now be limited or removed.
eg Guaranteed overtime at overtime rates, employee pension contribution have increased, guaranteed annual pay rise for your first 5 or 6 years,I don't expect new NHS staff can retire at 55 now.I am sure before I retire my pension payments that I have to make will have increased and my eventual pension that I would receive will have gone down.
I think the Fireman's strike is futile, most public sector's pensions are way and above better than most people's who have worked in the private sector, striking about it will only make you as unpopular as M.P's
It's always great to see a pleb who knows his place, well done, Dr Martin! As you say, you plebs simply can't expect the sort of pay and conditions you got back in the 70s, it's the economic reality that there isn't the money about any more, not after those Marxists Blair, and Brown, lost all the country's cash down the back of the Downing Street sofa. I just hate the way the poor old bankers keep getting the blame for all this, when they've made so many sacrifices, by giving up all their bonuses. As Boris Johnson says, the super rich are now an oppressed minority in this country. It really is bloody political correctness gone mad.
you would make a very good Bertie Wooster or a Vivian Smith-Smythe-Smith
Thank-you. And you would make an excellent Skullion (Porterhouse Blue).
Strange Skullion was a traditionalist, I am certainly not
Really? Earlier you were displaying that admirable pleb quality (epitomised by Skullion) of knowing your place; of siding with your betters, rather than your peers. I hope the servants aren't getting uppity?! You'll end up like sounding akin to one of these fire fighters. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is. Don't ever forget, we really are all in this together.
Firemen expect a better deal than the rest of us
[quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: My comment was made in reaction to an earlier comment by Devils Advocate, I didn't want to reply to it as such to avoid a lengthy class war debate which he goes on about how great things were in the 70's As a public sector employee (NHS) I think there are many things that we were entitled to but we have now be limited or removed. eg Guaranteed overtime at overtime rates, employee pension contribution have increased, guaranteed annual pay rise for your first 5 or 6 years,I don't expect new NHS staff can retire at 55 now.I am sure before I retire my pension payments that I have to make will have increased and my eventual pension that I would receive will have gone down. I think the Fireman's strike is futile, most public sector's pensions are way and above better than most people's who have worked in the private sector, striking about it will only make you as unpopular as M.P's[/p][/quote]It's always great to see a pleb who knows his place, well done, Dr Martin! As you say, you plebs simply can't expect the sort of pay and conditions you got back in the 70s, it's the economic reality that there isn't the money about any more, not after those Marxists Blair, and Brown, lost all the country's cash down the back of the Downing Street sofa. I just hate the way the poor old bankers keep getting the blame for all this, when they've made so many sacrifices, by giving up all their bonuses. As Boris Johnson says, the super rich are now an oppressed minority in this country. It really is bloody political correctness gone mad.[/p][/quote]you would make a very good Bertie Wooster or a Vivian Smith-Smythe-Smith[/p][/quote]Thank-you. And you would make an excellent Skullion (Porterhouse Blue).[/p][/quote]Strange Skullion was a traditionalist, I am certainly not[/p][/quote]Really? Earlier you were displaying that admirable pleb quality (epitomised by Skullion) of knowing your place; of siding with your betters, rather than your peers. I hope the servants aren't getting uppity?! You'll end up like sounding akin to one of these fire fighters. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is. Don't ever forget, we really are all in this together.[/p][/quote]Firemen expect a better deal than the rest of us Dr Martin

3:38pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
My comment was made in reaction to an earlier comment by Devils Advocate, I didn't want to reply to it as such to avoid a lengthy class war debate which he goes on about how great things were in the 70's
As a public sector employee (NHS) I think there are many things that we were entitled to but we have now be limited or removed.
eg Guaranteed overtime at overtime rates, employee pension contribution have increased, guaranteed annual pay rise for your first 5 or 6 years,I don't expect new NHS staff can retire at 55 now.I am sure before I retire my pension payments that I have to make will have increased and my eventual pension that I would receive will have gone down.
I think the Fireman's strike is futile, most public sector's pensions are way and above better than most people's who have worked in the private sector, striking about it will only make you as unpopular as M.P's
It's always great to see a pleb who knows his place, well done, Dr Martin! As you say, you plebs simply can't expect the sort of pay and conditions you got back in the 70s, it's the economic reality that there isn't the money about any more, not after those Marxists Blair, and Brown, lost all the country's cash down the back of the Downing Street sofa. I just hate the way the poor old bankers keep getting the blame for all this, when they've made so many sacrifices, by giving up all their bonuses. As Boris Johnson says, the super rich are now an oppressed minority in this country. It really is bloody political correctness gone mad.
you would make a very good Bertie Wooster or a Vivian Smith-Smythe-Smith
Thank-you. And you would make an excellent Skullion (Porterhouse Blue).
Strange Skullion was a traditionalist, I am certainly not
Really? Earlier you were displaying that admirable pleb quality (epitomised by Skullion) of knowing your place; of siding with your betters, rather than your peers. I hope the servants aren't getting uppity?! You'll end up like sounding akin to one of these fire fighters. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is. Don't ever forget, we really are all in this together.
Firemen expect a better deal than the rest of us
Glad to see you're back believing what you're told, because it is of course the absolute truth. And for that you deserve a pat on the head, good boy, good boy!
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: My comment was made in reaction to an earlier comment by Devils Advocate, I didn't want to reply to it as such to avoid a lengthy class war debate which he goes on about how great things were in the 70's As a public sector employee (NHS) I think there are many things that we were entitled to but we have now be limited or removed. eg Guaranteed overtime at overtime rates, employee pension contribution have increased, guaranteed annual pay rise for your first 5 or 6 years,I don't expect new NHS staff can retire at 55 now.I am sure before I retire my pension payments that I have to make will have increased and my eventual pension that I would receive will have gone down. I think the Fireman's strike is futile, most public sector's pensions are way and above better than most people's who have worked in the private sector, striking about it will only make you as unpopular as M.P's[/p][/quote]It's always great to see a pleb who knows his place, well done, Dr Martin! As you say, you plebs simply can't expect the sort of pay and conditions you got back in the 70s, it's the economic reality that there isn't the money about any more, not after those Marxists Blair, and Brown, lost all the country's cash down the back of the Downing Street sofa. I just hate the way the poor old bankers keep getting the blame for all this, when they've made so many sacrifices, by giving up all their bonuses. As Boris Johnson says, the super rich are now an oppressed minority in this country. It really is bloody political correctness gone mad.[/p][/quote]you would make a very good Bertie Wooster or a Vivian Smith-Smythe-Smith[/p][/quote]Thank-you. And you would make an excellent Skullion (Porterhouse Blue).[/p][/quote]Strange Skullion was a traditionalist, I am certainly not[/p][/quote]Really? Earlier you were displaying that admirable pleb quality (epitomised by Skullion) of knowing your place; of siding with your betters, rather than your peers. I hope the servants aren't getting uppity?! You'll end up like sounding akin to one of these fire fighters. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is. Don't ever forget, we really are all in this together.[/p][/quote]Firemen expect a better deal than the rest of us[/p][/quote]Glad to see you're back believing what you're told, because it is of course the absolute truth. And for that you deserve a pat on the head, good boy, good boy! Mail Member 4 Colchester

3:45pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
My comment was made in reaction to an earlier comment by Devils Advocate, I didn't want to reply to it as such to avoid a lengthy class war debate which he goes on about how great things were in the 70's
As a public sector employee (NHS) I think there are many things that we were entitled to but we have now be limited or removed.
eg Guaranteed overtime at overtime rates, employee pension contribution have increased, guaranteed annual pay rise for your first 5 or 6 years,I don't expect new NHS staff can retire at 55 now.I am sure before I retire my pension payments that I have to make will have increased and my eventual pension that I would receive will have gone down.
I think the Fireman's strike is futile, most public sector's pensions are way and above better than most people's who have worked in the private sector, striking about it will only make you as unpopular as M.P's
It's always great to see a pleb who knows his place, well done, Dr Martin! As you say, you plebs simply can't expect the sort of pay and conditions you got back in the 70s, it's the economic reality that there isn't the money about any more, not after those Marxists Blair, and Brown, lost all the country's cash down the back of the Downing Street sofa. I just hate the way the poor old bankers keep getting the blame for all this, when they've made so many sacrifices, by giving up all their bonuses. As Boris Johnson says, the super rich are now an oppressed minority in this country. It really is bloody political correctness gone mad.
you would make a very good Bertie Wooster or a Vivian Smith-Smythe-Smith
Thank-you. And you would make an excellent Skullion (Porterhouse Blue).
Strange Skullion was a traditionalist, I am certainly not
Really? Earlier you were displaying that admirable pleb quality (epitomised by Skullion) of knowing your place; of siding with your betters, rather than your peers. I hope the servants aren't getting uppity?! You'll end up like sounding akin to one of these fire fighters. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is. Don't ever forget, we really are all in this together.
Firemen expect a better deal than the rest of us
Glad to see you're back believing what you're told, because it is of course the absolute truth. And for that you deserve a pat on the head, good boy, good boy!
Do you not believe that they don't want a better deal than the rest of us?
[quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: My comment was made in reaction to an earlier comment by Devils Advocate, I didn't want to reply to it as such to avoid a lengthy class war debate which he goes on about how great things were in the 70's As a public sector employee (NHS) I think there are many things that we were entitled to but we have now be limited or removed. eg Guaranteed overtime at overtime rates, employee pension contribution have increased, guaranteed annual pay rise for your first 5 or 6 years,I don't expect new NHS staff can retire at 55 now.I am sure before I retire my pension payments that I have to make will have increased and my eventual pension that I would receive will have gone down. I think the Fireman's strike is futile, most public sector's pensions are way and above better than most people's who have worked in the private sector, striking about it will only make you as unpopular as M.P's[/p][/quote]It's always great to see a pleb who knows his place, well done, Dr Martin! As you say, you plebs simply can't expect the sort of pay and conditions you got back in the 70s, it's the economic reality that there isn't the money about any more, not after those Marxists Blair, and Brown, lost all the country's cash down the back of the Downing Street sofa. I just hate the way the poor old bankers keep getting the blame for all this, when they've made so many sacrifices, by giving up all their bonuses. As Boris Johnson says, the super rich are now an oppressed minority in this country. It really is bloody political correctness gone mad.[/p][/quote]you would make a very good Bertie Wooster or a Vivian Smith-Smythe-Smith[/p][/quote]Thank-you. And you would make an excellent Skullion (Porterhouse Blue).[/p][/quote]Strange Skullion was a traditionalist, I am certainly not[/p][/quote]Really? Earlier you were displaying that admirable pleb quality (epitomised by Skullion) of knowing your place; of siding with your betters, rather than your peers. I hope the servants aren't getting uppity?! You'll end up like sounding akin to one of these fire fighters. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is. Don't ever forget, we really are all in this together.[/p][/quote]Firemen expect a better deal than the rest of us[/p][/quote]Glad to see you're back believing what you're told, because it is of course the absolute truth. And for that you deserve a pat on the head, good boy, good boy![/p][/quote]Do you not believe that they don't want a better deal than the rest of us? Dr Martin

4:12pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
My comment was made in reaction to an earlier comment by Devils Advocate, I didn't want to reply to it as such to avoid a lengthy class war debate which he goes on about how great things were in the 70's
As a public sector employee (NHS) I think there are many things that we were entitled to but we have now be limited or removed.
eg Guaranteed overtime at overtime rates, employee pension contribution have increased, guaranteed annual pay rise for your first 5 or 6 years,I don't expect new NHS staff can retire at 55 now.I am sure before I retire my pension payments that I have to make will have increased and my eventual pension that I would receive will have gone down.
I think the Fireman's strike is futile, most public sector's pensions are way and above better than most people's who have worked in the private sector, striking about it will only make you as unpopular as M.P's
It's always great to see a pleb who knows his place, well done, Dr Martin! As you say, you plebs simply can't expect the sort of pay and conditions you got back in the 70s, it's the economic reality that there isn't the money about any more, not after those Marxists Blair, and Brown, lost all the country's cash down the back of the Downing Street sofa. I just hate the way the poor old bankers keep getting the blame for all this, when they've made so many sacrifices, by giving up all their bonuses. As Boris Johnson says, the super rich are now an oppressed minority in this country. It really is bloody political correctness gone mad.
you would make a very good Bertie Wooster or a Vivian Smith-Smythe-Smith
Thank-you. And you would make an excellent Skullion (Porterhouse Blue).
Strange Skullion was a traditionalist, I am certainly not
Really? Earlier you were displaying that admirable pleb quality (epitomised by Skullion) of knowing your place; of siding with your betters, rather than your peers. I hope the servants aren't getting uppity?! You'll end up like sounding akin to one of these fire fighters. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is. Don't ever forget, we really are all in this together.
Firemen expect a better deal than the rest of us
Glad to see you're back believing what you're told, because it is of course the absolute truth. And for that you deserve a pat on the head, good boy, good boy!
Do you not believe that they don't want a better deal than the rest of us?
I think far too many of you plebs are being unreasonable, not just the fire fighters. The NHS unions have not exactly been happy about pensions, or the 1 per cent pay rises, nor have the teachers, the lecturers, and the other bloody public sector workers. Thankfully, there are some plebs out there, like your good self, who understand that there just isn't the money about it any more. People can't expect decent pay, or pensions, from going to work these days. As said, all this was down to the Trots in the last government, who lost all the country's money down the back of the sofa. And then they sold the bloody sofa to Romanian gypsies, it was political correctness gone mad, was what it was.

No, making the plebs work well into old age is the only option these days, especially with the record high levels of youth unemployment. The plebs must remember the super rich can only get richer on the backs of others. We need to continue with the redistribution of wealth in this country, from the poor, and the general struggling masses, to the very rich. It is a well known fact that to make the rich work harder you must pay them more. And to make the plebs work harder you must pay them less.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: My comment was made in reaction to an earlier comment by Devils Advocate, I didn't want to reply to it as such to avoid a lengthy class war debate which he goes on about how great things were in the 70's As a public sector employee (NHS) I think there are many things that we were entitled to but we have now be limited or removed. eg Guaranteed overtime at overtime rates, employee pension contribution have increased, guaranteed annual pay rise for your first 5 or 6 years,I don't expect new NHS staff can retire at 55 now.I am sure before I retire my pension payments that I have to make will have increased and my eventual pension that I would receive will have gone down. I think the Fireman's strike is futile, most public sector's pensions are way and above better than most people's who have worked in the private sector, striking about it will only make you as unpopular as M.P's[/p][/quote]It's always great to see a pleb who knows his place, well done, Dr Martin! As you say, you plebs simply can't expect the sort of pay and conditions you got back in the 70s, it's the economic reality that there isn't the money about any more, not after those Marxists Blair, and Brown, lost all the country's cash down the back of the Downing Street sofa. I just hate the way the poor old bankers keep getting the blame for all this, when they've made so many sacrifices, by giving up all their bonuses. As Boris Johnson says, the super rich are now an oppressed minority in this country. It really is bloody political correctness gone mad.[/p][/quote]you would make a very good Bertie Wooster or a Vivian Smith-Smythe-Smith[/p][/quote]Thank-you. And you would make an excellent Skullion (Porterhouse Blue).[/p][/quote]Strange Skullion was a traditionalist, I am certainly not[/p][/quote]Really? Earlier you were displaying that admirable pleb quality (epitomised by Skullion) of knowing your place; of siding with your betters, rather than your peers. I hope the servants aren't getting uppity?! You'll end up like sounding akin to one of these fire fighters. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is. Don't ever forget, we really are all in this together.[/p][/quote]Firemen expect a better deal than the rest of us[/p][/quote]Glad to see you're back believing what you're told, because it is of course the absolute truth. And for that you deserve a pat on the head, good boy, good boy![/p][/quote]Do you not believe that they don't want a better deal than the rest of us?[/p][/quote]I think far too many of you plebs are being unreasonable, not just the fire fighters. The NHS unions have not exactly been happy about pensions, or the 1 per cent pay rises, nor have the teachers, the lecturers, and the other bloody public sector workers. Thankfully, there are some plebs out there, like your good self, who understand that there just isn't the money about it any more. People can't expect decent pay, or pensions, from going to work these days. As said, all this was down to the Trots in the last government, who lost all the country's money down the back of the sofa. And then they sold the bloody sofa to Romanian gypsies, it was political correctness gone mad, was what it was. No, making the plebs work well into old age is the only option these days, especially with the record high levels of youth unemployment. The plebs must remember the super rich can only get richer on the backs of others. We need to continue with the redistribution of wealth in this country, from the poor, and the general struggling masses, to the very rich. It is a well known fact that to make the rich work harder you must pay them more. And to make the plebs work harder you must pay them less. Mail Member 4 Colchester

4:18pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

So the NHS unions have not been unhappy about pensions so what did they do (Strike) and what did this achieve (nothing), the firemen could learn a lesson here
So the NHS unions have not been unhappy about pensions so what did they do (Strike) and what did this achieve (nothing), the firemen could learn a lesson here Dr Martin

4:31pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Dr Martin wrote:
So the NHS unions have not been unhappy about pensions so what did they do (Strike) and what did this achieve (nothing), the firemen could learn a lesson here
Good boy! Good boy! I might even be able to find you a nice bone!
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: So the NHS unions have not been unhappy about pensions so what did they do (Strike) and what did this achieve (nothing), the firemen could learn a lesson here[/p][/quote]Good boy! Good boy! I might even be able to find you a nice bone! Mail Member 4 Colchester

4:40pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

I will find you a glass of pimms
I will find you a glass of pimms Dr Martin

4:53pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Dr Martin wrote:
I will find you a glass of pimms
Thank-you very much, Pimms 'o'clock!

Still, it might be my paranoia, but between you and I I'm worried that the FBU are rather more organised than the NHS unions, with much more member support for striking. It's why we need to take no chances, and follow Hitler's lead, by rounding up all the trade unionists, and putting them all in labour camps. But we won't, all thanks to the Marxist/Jewish/ Islamist/gay/feminis
t conspiracy that now runs Britain, we've gone bloody soft in this country. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: I will find you a glass of pimms[/p][/quote]Thank-you very much, Pimms 'o'clock! Still, it might be my paranoia, but between you and I I'm worried that the FBU are rather more organised than the NHS unions, with much more member support for striking. It's why we need to take no chances, and follow Hitler's lead, by rounding up all the trade unionists, and putting them all in labour camps. But we won't, all thanks to the Marxist/Jewish/ Islamist/gay/feminis t conspiracy that now runs Britain, we've gone bloody soft in this country. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is. Mail Member 4 Colchester

5:11pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
I will find you a glass of pimms
Thank-you very much, Pimms 'o'clock!

Still, it might be my paranoia, but between you and I I'm worried that the FBU are rather more organised than the NHS unions, with much more member support for striking. It's why we need to take no chances, and follow Hitler's lead, by rounding up all the trade unionists, and putting them all in labour camps. But we won't, all thanks to the Marxist/Jewish/ Islamist/gay/feminis

t conspiracy that now runs Britain, we've gone bloody soft in this country. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is.
Probably is your paranoia, no public sector union has got much chance of keeping any of their perks in this current climate, as for the NHS we have only been spared the worst of it as the total budget has not been cut yet............
[quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: I will find you a glass of pimms[/p][/quote]Thank-you very much, Pimms 'o'clock! Still, it might be my paranoia, but between you and I I'm worried that the FBU are rather more organised than the NHS unions, with much more member support for striking. It's why we need to take no chances, and follow Hitler's lead, by rounding up all the trade unionists, and putting them all in labour camps. But we won't, all thanks to the Marxist/Jewish/ Islamist/gay/feminis t conspiracy that now runs Britain, we've gone bloody soft in this country. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is.[/p][/quote]Probably is your paranoia, no public sector union has got much chance of keeping any of their perks in this current climate, as for the NHS we have only been spared the worst of it as the total budget has not been cut yet............ Dr Martin

5:20pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
I will find you a glass of pimms
Thank-you very much, Pimms 'o'clock!

Still, it might be my paranoia, but between you and I I'm worried that the FBU are rather more organised than the NHS unions, with much more member support for striking. It's why we need to take no chances, and follow Hitler's lead, by rounding up all the trade unionists, and putting them all in labour camps. But we won't, all thanks to the Marxist/Jewish/ Islamist/gay/feminis


t conspiracy that now runs Britain, we've gone bloody soft in this country. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is.
Probably is your paranoia, no public sector union has got much chance of keeping any of their perks in this current climate, as for the NHS we have only been spared the worst of it as the total budget has not been cut yet............
Well I'm glad to say the NHS has 10,000 less nurses thanks to Lansley's brilliant act, which sounds like a cut to me! Thankfully, this disgusting drain on my taxes is on its last legs, with it being broken up, and privatised. I don't want my taxes going on keeping the plebs healthy, and alive. I just want my taxes going on useful things, like the renewal of Trident, tax breaks for the super rich, and Lord H's clocking-in scam.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: I will find you a glass of pimms[/p][/quote]Thank-you very much, Pimms 'o'clock! Still, it might be my paranoia, but between you and I I'm worried that the FBU are rather more organised than the NHS unions, with much more member support for striking. It's why we need to take no chances, and follow Hitler's lead, by rounding up all the trade unionists, and putting them all in labour camps. But we won't, all thanks to the Marxist/Jewish/ Islamist/gay/feminis t conspiracy that now runs Britain, we've gone bloody soft in this country. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is.[/p][/quote]Probably is your paranoia, no public sector union has got much chance of keeping any of their perks in this current climate, as for the NHS we have only been spared the worst of it as the total budget has not been cut yet............[/p][/quote]Well I'm glad to say the NHS has 10,000 less nurses thanks to Lansley's brilliant act, which sounds like a cut to me! Thankfully, this disgusting drain on my taxes is on its last legs, with it being broken up, and privatised. I don't want my taxes going on keeping the plebs healthy, and alive. I just want my taxes going on useful things, like the renewal of Trident, tax breaks for the super rich, and Lord H's clocking-in scam. Mail Member 4 Colchester

5:49pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

Unfortunately the NHS budget has to pay for the minimal pay increases, the annualised pay increases (due to stop in 2014) and other increased costs medication equipment etc. which then leaves an ever decreasing amount for employing staff hence the decrease in nursing numbers.
Unfortunately the NHS budget has to pay for the minimal pay increases, the annualised pay increases (due to stop in 2014) and other increased costs medication equipment etc. which then leaves an ever decreasing amount for employing staff hence the decrease in nursing numbers. Dr Martin

6:07pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Living the La Vida Legra says...

What's a pension? ( I am self employed worker )
Get a life you lazy harsed bwankers
What's a pension? ( I am self employed worker ) Get a life you lazy harsed bwankers Living the La Vida Legra

6:20pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

The NHS, it's like the pensions, we just can't afford to pay for these things any more. It's not after like WW2, you know? And we can all now see the thing is failing, and that's despite there being areas where spending has recently increased. With Lansley's Act bringing far more contract negotiation into the NHS, the NHS is now spending more money on lawyers, who are obviously needed to scrutinise ever more contracts. But despite such wonderful innovations, the NHS clearly can't survive, let's face it, we read every day how useless you NHS staff are. The Daily Mail wouldn't lie about something as important as this.

Thanks to those left-wing anarchists, Blair and Brown, losing all the country's money down the back of the Downing Street sofa, then giving the bloody sofa away to gay, Islamist, asylum seeking, terrorists, we have to make tough choices. Look at how many youngsters there are unemployed these days. Somebody's going to have pay for that, and I don't mean me, via my taxes! No, I mean hard-working parents, and hard-working grand-parents, and hard-working great grandparents, who will need to be at work, forever, to support family ties. This is about bringing back the age of individual responsibility, after all. When it comes down to it, we are all in this together.
The NHS, it's like the pensions, we just can't afford to pay for these things any more. It's not after like WW2, you know? And we can all now see the thing is failing, and that's despite there being areas where spending has recently increased. With Lansley's Act bringing far more contract negotiation into the NHS, the NHS is now spending more money on lawyers, who are obviously needed to scrutinise ever more contracts. But despite such wonderful innovations, the NHS clearly can't survive, let's face it, we read every day how useless you NHS staff are. The Daily Mail wouldn't lie about something as important as this. Thanks to those left-wing anarchists, Blair and Brown, losing all the country's money down the back of the Downing Street sofa, then giving the bloody sofa away to gay, Islamist, asylum seeking, terrorists, we have to make tough choices. Look at how many youngsters there are unemployed these days. Somebody's going to have pay for that, and I don't mean me, via my taxes! No, I mean hard-working parents, and hard-working grand-parents, and hard-working great grandparents, who will need to be at work, forever, to support family ties. This is about bringing back the age of individual responsibility, after all. When it comes down to it, we are all in this together. Mail Member 4 Colchester

6:44pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

I am sure there are some useless staff in all public and private sector companies, NHS being the largest employer of the lot I am sure they have their fair share.

I am sure we are supposed to be in together just that M.P’s and Firemen think they are exempt from that
I am sure there are some useless staff in all public and private sector companies, NHS being the largest employer of the lot I am sure they have their fair share. I am sure we are supposed to be in together just that M.P’s and Firemen think they are exempt from that Dr Martin

6:53pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Dr Martin wrote:
I am sure there are some useless staff in all public and private sector companies, NHS being the largest employer of the lot I am sure they have their fair share.

I am sure we are supposed to be in together just that M.P’s and Firemen think they are exempt from that
I just can't believe you think the MPs are as bad as the fire fighters, you bloody revolutionary. Next, you'll be having a go at some total banker, like me. There's no more pats on the head for you.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: I am sure there are some useless staff in all public and private sector companies, NHS being the largest employer of the lot I am sure they have their fair share. I am sure we are supposed to be in together just that M.P’s and Firemen think they are exempt from that[/p][/quote]I just can't believe you think the MPs are as bad as the fire fighters, you bloody revolutionary. Next, you'll be having a go at some total banker, like me. There's no more pats on the head for you. Mail Member 4 Colchester

6:58pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
I am sure there are some useless staff in all public and private sector companies, NHS being the largest employer of the lot I am sure they have their fair share.

I am sure we are supposed to be in together just that M.P’s and Firemen think they are exempt from that
I just can't believe you think the MPs are as bad as the fire fighters, you bloody revolutionary. Next, you'll be having a go at some total banker, like me. There's no more pats on the head for you.
I am sure I will get over that great loss sometime soon
[quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: I am sure there are some useless staff in all public and private sector companies, NHS being the largest employer of the lot I am sure they have their fair share. I am sure we are supposed to be in together just that M.P’s and Firemen think they are exempt from that[/p][/quote]I just can't believe you think the MPs are as bad as the fire fighters, you bloody revolutionary. Next, you'll be having a go at some total banker, like me. There's no more pats on the head for you.[/p][/quote]I am sure I will get over that great loss sometime soon Dr Martin

7:13pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
I am sure there are some useless staff in all public and private sector companies, NHS being the largest employer of the lot I am sure they have their fair share.

I am sure we are supposed to be in together just that M.P’s and Firemen think they are exempt from that
I just can't believe you think the MPs are as bad as the fire fighters, you bloody revolutionary. Next, you'll be having a go at some total banker, like me. There's no more pats on the head for you.
I am sure I will get over that great loss sometime soon
See, I knew you weren't a loyal Skullion, and far more a Henry Wilt.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: I am sure there are some useless staff in all public and private sector companies, NHS being the largest employer of the lot I am sure they have their fair share. I am sure we are supposed to be in together just that M.P’s and Firemen think they are exempt from that[/p][/quote]I just can't believe you think the MPs are as bad as the fire fighters, you bloody revolutionary. Next, you'll be having a go at some total banker, like me. There's no more pats on the head for you.[/p][/quote]I am sure I will get over that great loss sometime soon[/p][/quote]See, I knew you weren't a loyal Skullion, and far more a Henry Wilt. Mail Member 4 Colchester

7:16pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

That's good coming from a Bertie Wooster
That's good coming from a Bertie Wooster Dr Martin

7:57pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

or perhaps an Alf Garnett
or perhaps an Alf Garnett Dr Martin

5:06pm Mon 30 Dec 13

stevedawson says...

Trade unions got us our living standards we enjoy today, as did the political party that is now trying to work some sanity into this sham of a credit crunch.
we have all fallen for this charade. the firemen have every right to argue for what they want if their managers wont meet then their only action left is to withdraw their labour.
Trade unions got us our living standards we enjoy today, as did the political party that is now trying to work some sanity into this sham of a credit crunch. we have all fallen for this charade. the firemen have every right to argue for what they want if their managers wont meet then their only action left is to withdraw their labour. stevedawson

5:13pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

They may have every right but I don't think many people would agree their demands are reasonable.

BTW what party are you referring to?
They may have every right but I don't think many people would agree their demands are reasonable. BTW what party are you referring to? Dr Martin

5:31pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Dr Martin wrote:
They may have every right but I don't think many people would agree their demands are reasonable.

BTW what party are you referring to?
I'm glad you're keeping this up, Dr Martin. It is of course an entirely unreasonable demand to make that a work-force's terms and conditions are not worsened. And the fact that most people agree with us must prove us right, it's not as if public opinion is in anyway manipulated and manufactured by the mass media.

And why should they have the 'right' to strike? You bloody liberals will sink this country, it's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: They may have every right but I don't think many people would agree their demands are reasonable. BTW what party are you referring to?[/p][/quote]I'm glad you're keeping this up, Dr Martin. It is of course an entirely unreasonable demand to make that a work-force's terms and conditions are not worsened. And the fact that most people agree with us must prove us right, it's not as if public opinion is in anyway manipulated and manufactured by the mass media. And why should they have the 'right' to strike? You bloody liberals will sink this country, it's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is. Mail Member 4 Colchester

5:47pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
They may have every right but I don't think many people would agree their demands are reasonable.

BTW what party are you referring to?
I'm glad you're keeping this up, Dr Martin. It is of course an entirely unreasonable demand to make that a work-force's terms and conditions are not worsened. And the fact that most people agree with us must prove us right, it's not as if public opinion is in anyway manipulated and manufactured by the mass media.

And why should they have the 'right' to strike? You bloody liberals will sink this country, it's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is.
I thought you had given up, Alf.
[quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: They may have every right but I don't think many people would agree their demands are reasonable. BTW what party are you referring to?[/p][/quote]I'm glad you're keeping this up, Dr Martin. It is of course an entirely unreasonable demand to make that a work-force's terms and conditions are not worsened. And the fact that most people agree with us must prove us right, it's not as if public opinion is in anyway manipulated and manufactured by the mass media. And why should they have the 'right' to strike? You bloody liberals will sink this country, it's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is.[/p][/quote]I thought you had given up, Alf. Dr Martin

6:31pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
They may have every right but I don't think many people would agree their demands are reasonable.

BTW what party are you referring to?
I'm glad you're keeping this up, Dr Martin. It is of course an entirely unreasonable demand to make that a work-force's terms and conditions are not worsened. And the fact that most people agree with us must prove us right, it's not as if public opinion is in anyway manipulated and manufactured by the mass media.

And why should they have the 'right' to strike? You bloody liberals will sink this country, it's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is.
I thought you had given up, Alf.
No, you just weren't giving me the opportunity to be reactionary and bigoted enough. And please, Alf Garnett, what could possibly give you that idea? I'm obviously much more Bertie Wooster.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: They may have every right but I don't think many people would agree their demands are reasonable. BTW what party are you referring to?[/p][/quote]I'm glad you're keeping this up, Dr Martin. It is of course an entirely unreasonable demand to make that a work-force's terms and conditions are not worsened. And the fact that most people agree with us must prove us right, it's not as if public opinion is in anyway manipulated and manufactured by the mass media. And why should they have the 'right' to strike? You bloody liberals will sink this country, it's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is.[/p][/quote]I thought you had given up, Alf.[/p][/quote]No, you just weren't giving me the opportunity to be reactionary and bigoted enough. And please, Alf Garnett, what could possibly give you that idea? I'm obviously much more Bertie Wooster. Mail Member 4 Colchester

7:38pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

just by reading your posts
just by reading your posts Dr Martin

6:37am Tue 31 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Dr Martin wrote:
just by reading your posts
Ha ha, says the public service worker arguing the Tory line, pot, kettle, and black, comes to mind here!
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: just by reading your posts[/p][/quote]Ha ha, says the public service worker arguing the Tory line, pot, kettle, and black, comes to mind here! Mail Member 4 Colchester

7:54am Tue 31 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

Looks like you have changed from your Alf Garnett character then
Looks like you have changed from your Alf Garnett character then Dr Martin

9:41am Tue 31 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Looks like you have changed from your Alf Garnett character then
Shame you haven't!
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: Looks like you have changed from your Alf Garnett character then[/p][/quote]Shame you haven't! Mail Member 4 Colchester

9:55am Tue 31 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Looks like you have changed from your Alf Garnett character then
Shame you haven't!
I think the firemen are wasting their time striking about pensions, as foolish as the miners in the 80's
[quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: Looks like you have changed from your Alf Garnett character then[/p][/quote]Shame you haven't![/p][/quote]I think the firemen are wasting their time striking about pensions, as foolish as the miners in the 80's Dr Martin

10:17am Tue 31 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Looks like you have changed from your Alf Garnett character then
Shame you haven't!
I think the firemen are wasting their time striking about pensions, as foolish as the miners in the 80's
Yeah, the miners were so foolish, fancy believing Scargill and his scare stories, that the Tories planned to close half the pits. He was a bit wrong about that.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: Looks like you have changed from your Alf Garnett character then[/p][/quote]Shame you haven't![/p][/quote]I think the firemen are wasting their time striking about pensions, as foolish as the miners in the 80's[/p][/quote]Yeah, the miners were so foolish, fancy believing Scargill and his scare stories, that the Tories planned to close half the pits. He was a bit wrong about that. Mail Member 4 Colchester

12:24pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

Return of your right wing alter ego
Return of your right wing alter ego Dr Martin

1:30pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

BTW nice try
BTW nice try Dr Martin

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