Greater Anglia cancelling and delaying trains in Christmas rush

Essex County Standard: Greater Anglia cancelling and delaying trains in Christmas rush Greater Anglia cancelling and delaying trains in Christmas rush

Greater Anglia will be cancelling trains and running others at slower speeds following a weather warning.


The train operator issued the following statement: "On Monday, the weather forecast indicates that a storm with winds of up to 70mph will affect our network from around 18:00 and throughout the night.

"Based on this forecast we have taken a decision to run trains at reduced speeds from 18:00 until the end of the day.


"These speed restrictions will limit the number of trains that we can run, particularly during the evening rush hour and customers who are able to do so are strongly advised to complete their journeys early.

"We will publish full details of the reduced evening rush hour service tomorrow.

"On Tuesday 24 December we do not expect to run any trains on any routes across our Network until 10:00.

"This is to allow us to run trains at low speed along each line on our network in daylight in order to check for damage to overhead wires and/or any debris from the storm.

"This will ensure that we can safely run trains and we will update customers throughout Tuesday morning as lines reopen. Customers are advised not to travel until 10:00 and to check their line is open prior to setting out."

The Met Office has issued an amber (be prepared) warning for rain and a yellow (be aware) warning for wind tomorrow and Christmas eve.

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8:23pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Ontheball says...

Any excuse not to run the service.
Any excuse not to run the service. Ontheball

8:49pm Sun 22 Dec 13

robertwebb745 says...

Its strange, I dont remember them ever doing this before the last time a few months ago. Seems like its going to be a regular thing now when bad weather is forecast.

Another thing worth noting is that last time they said 9am and the trains still weren't running by 11am. As I had worked a night shift I ended up have to get a National Express coach back from Victoria instead which meant I didnt get home and till about 2pm. The trains didnt return to normal till well past 6pm. Surely they can get a couple of replacement rail buses running?

I'm not going to bother this time. Theres all likelihood that anybody wanting a train on Tuesday will be out of luck, and seeing as there is no trains Christmas Day or Boxing Day some people might end up stuck or with an expensive cab fare.
Its strange, I dont remember them ever doing this before the last time a few months ago. Seems like its going to be a regular thing now when bad weather is forecast. Another thing worth noting is that last time they said 9am and the trains still weren't running by 11am. As I had worked a night shift I ended up have to get a National Express coach back from Victoria instead which meant I didnt get home and till about 2pm. The trains didnt return to normal till well past 6pm. Surely they can get a couple of replacement rail buses running? I'm not going to bother this time. Theres all likelihood that anybody wanting a train on Tuesday will be out of luck, and seeing as there is no trains Christmas Day or Boxing Day some people might end up stuck or with an expensive cab fare. robertwebb745

8:55pm Sun 22 Dec 13

russellalbert says...

I have been using this service for over 10 years and it is the worst it has ever been. Short trains and delays are the norm now.
I have been using this service for over 10 years and it is the worst it has ever been. Short trains and delays are the norm now. russellalbert

6:44am Mon 23 Dec 13

wormshero says...

robertwebb745 wrote:
Its strange, I dont remember them ever doing this before the last time a few months ago. Seems like its going to be a regular thing now when bad weather is forecast.

Another thing worth noting is that last time they said 9am and the trains still weren't running by 11am. As I had worked a night shift I ended up have to get a National Express coach back from Victoria instead which meant I didnt get home and till about 2pm. The trains didnt return to normal till well past 6pm. Surely they can get a couple of replacement rail buses running?

I'm not going to bother this time. Theres all likelihood that anybody wanting a train on Tuesday will be out of luck, and seeing as there is no trains Christmas Day or Boxing Day some people might end up stuck or with an expensive cab fare.
They're usual excuse for no rail replacement busses is that due to school runs there's not enough busses in Essex to handle demand, so it'll be interesting to see what they're excuse is this time.

My understanding, as it's occurred to me on a couple of occasions, is that if they can't get you home they have to foot the fare for alternative transport. I've certainly had taxi fares for trips hours long in the past anyway, unless that's been changed now.
[quote][p][bold]robertwebb745[/bold] wrote: Its strange, I dont remember them ever doing this before the last time a few months ago. Seems like its going to be a regular thing now when bad weather is forecast. Another thing worth noting is that last time they said 9am and the trains still weren't running by 11am. As I had worked a night shift I ended up have to get a National Express coach back from Victoria instead which meant I didnt get home and till about 2pm. The trains didnt return to normal till well past 6pm. Surely they can get a couple of replacement rail buses running? I'm not going to bother this time. Theres all likelihood that anybody wanting a train on Tuesday will be out of luck, and seeing as there is no trains Christmas Day or Boxing Day some people might end up stuck or with an expensive cab fare.[/p][/quote]They're usual excuse for no rail replacement busses is that due to school runs there's not enough busses in Essex to handle demand, so it'll be interesting to see what they're excuse is this time. My understanding, as it's occurred to me on a couple of occasions, is that if they can't get you home they have to foot the fare for alternative transport. I've certainly had taxi fares for trips hours long in the past anyway, unless that's been changed now. wormshero

7:31am Mon 23 Dec 13

Bhudeeka says...

I THINK I am getting a cold so I had better not go to work
I THINK I am getting a cold so I had better not go to work Bhudeeka

9:07am Mon 23 Dec 13

Scoot says...

Agree with you russellalbert the trains are the worst they have been in the 16 years I've been commuting from Colchester. The question is who is at fault ? If the government had granted a longer franchise would abelio have invested in more modern rolling stock ? Probably yes (but it should also have been a term of the franchise). I just wish though they would come clean and admit that the older trains are on their last legs and can't cope with hauling full length trains in the winter months. However we should also consider what would happen if they were running a full service and a tree brought the lines down. I can see the headlines now "Passengers kept hostage on train for hours" etc etc. There are parts of the line which are not that readily accesible and if the lines are down firstly the engineers need to get there before the electricians check that the cable is safe before a gang can get in and cut the tree up, and then they have to try and remove it as well as repair the cable. Also one has to consider what would happen if the lines weren't checked and a train hit a tree that was on the track but had missed the cables. They should though run a replacement bus service if they aren't running trains, and theres no excuse that the buses are being used for school contracts. It is a complete minefield for abelio as to what to do and what not to do, but until a senior cabinet minister uses this line regularly you can bet we will always have second hand rolling stock and locos on their last legs and an inferior service, because the franchisee knows they can get away with it.
Agree with you russellalbert the trains are the worst they have been in the 16 years I've been commuting from Colchester. The question is who is at fault ? If the government had granted a longer franchise would abelio have invested in more modern rolling stock ? Probably yes (but it should also have been a term of the franchise). I just wish though they would come clean and admit that the older trains are on their last legs and can't cope with hauling full length trains in the winter months. However we should also consider what would happen if they were running a full service and a tree brought the lines down. I can see the headlines now "Passengers kept hostage on train for hours" etc etc. There are parts of the line which are not that readily accesible and if the lines are down firstly the engineers need to get there before the electricians check that the cable is safe before a gang can get in and cut the tree up, and then they have to try and remove it as well as repair the cable. Also one has to consider what would happen if the lines weren't checked and a train hit a tree that was on the track but had missed the cables. They should though run a replacement bus service if they aren't running trains, and theres no excuse that the buses are being used for school contracts. It is a complete minefield for abelio as to what to do and what not to do, but until a senior cabinet minister uses this line regularly you can bet we will always have second hand rolling stock and locos on their last legs and an inferior service, because the franchisee knows they can get away with it. Scoot

9:52am Mon 23 Dec 13

romantic says...

To some extent, the train companies are in a no-win situation, but it does seem they are erring too much on the side of caution. The last storm that came through was with stronger winds onto fully laden trees. This one is going to be squally and windy, but not actually THAT windy. Looking at Metcheck, there will be a fair amount of rain and some gusty winds, but nothing more than the kind of gales we get regularly over the years.

On the south coast, the winds will be much stronger, but not as bad up here away from the coast. These should not be conditions that lead to complete closure of the system on Xmas Eve morning.

I do understand that they cannot win, because if a tree does come down, people might be stranded for hours. But if you look at the forecast for tomorrow morning, it will be windy, but not stormy, and not really a good reason to cancel everything. Lots of people will be travelling tomorrow, quite a lot still need to get to work. Suspending the whole service because there is a small chance a tree may block the line somewhere is a big over-reaction.

Yes, people should try as much as possible to get their journeys done before the wet and windy conditions come in, but not everybody has that luxury and choice. Decisions need to be made locally based on actual conditions at the time.

Scoot's comments about rolling stock and long-term investment are spot-on, although a wider issue. But this sort of thing does highlight that the priorities of the train companies are more towards their own pockets than passengers. British Rail, for all its faults, would have kept the service running unless utterly dangerous. This would be because there would be station managers along the way talking to the drivers and getting the actual situation. If they just cancel the trains fully, there are no effects on performance figures etc, they will treat it as an "act of God". In the past, the first priority would be to realise that passengers have to get where they are going, even if it takes a bit longer than normal.
To some extent, the train companies are in a no-win situation, but it does seem they are erring too much on the side of caution. The last storm that came through was with stronger winds onto fully laden trees. This one is going to be squally and windy, but not actually THAT windy. Looking at Metcheck, there will be a fair amount of rain and some gusty winds, but nothing more than the kind of gales we get regularly over the years. On the south coast, the winds will be much stronger, but not as bad up here away from the coast. These should not be conditions that lead to complete closure of the system on Xmas Eve morning. I do understand that they cannot win, because if a tree does come down, people might be stranded for hours. But if you look at the forecast for tomorrow morning, it will be windy, but not stormy, and not really a good reason to cancel everything. Lots of people will be travelling tomorrow, quite a lot still need to get to work. Suspending the whole service because there is a small chance a tree may block the line somewhere is a big over-reaction. Yes, people should try as much as possible to get their journeys done before the wet and windy conditions come in, but not everybody has that luxury and choice. Decisions need to be made locally based on actual conditions at the time. Scoot's comments about rolling stock and long-term investment are spot-on, although a wider issue. But this sort of thing does highlight that the priorities of the train companies are more towards their own pockets than passengers. British Rail, for all its faults, would have kept the service running unless utterly dangerous. This would be because there would be station managers along the way talking to the drivers and getting the actual situation. If they just cancel the trains fully, there are no effects on performance figures etc, they will treat it as an "act of God". In the past, the first priority would be to realise that passengers have to get where they are going, even if it takes a bit longer than normal. romantic

2:49pm Mon 23 Dec 13

OMPITA [Intl] says...

Bhudeeka wrote:
I THINK I am getting a cold so I had better not go to work
Wimp!
[quote][p][bold]Bhudeeka[/bold] wrote: I THINK I am getting a cold so I had better not go to work[/p][/quote]Wimp! OMPITA [Intl]

2:49pm Mon 23 Dec 13

OMPITA [Intl] says...

Bhudeeka wrote:
I THINK I am getting a cold so I had better not go to work
Wimp!
[quote][p][bold]Bhudeeka[/bold] wrote: I THINK I am getting a cold so I had better not go to work[/p][/quote]Wimp! OMPITA [Intl]

10:11pm Mon 23 Dec 13

pierre-pierre says...

all you sniveling gits as at 22:00 hrs on Monday, they have had to clear 73 fallen trees of the tracks
all you sniveling gits as at 22:00 hrs on Monday, they have had to clear 73 fallen trees of the tracks pierre-pierre

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