Round-the-clock security measures to combat yob menace at Firstsite

Essex County Standard: Round-the-clock security measures to combat yob menace at Firstsite Round-the-clock security measures to combat yob menace at Firstsite

STREET wardens, security guards and police community support officer have been deployed roundthe- clock at Colchester’s Firstsite art gallery to tackle antisocial behaviour.

Visitors, staff and nearby residents have complained about youngsters hanging around outside.

They have been accused of being intimidating, daubing graffiti and causing criminal damage.

A team of ten Colchester Council street wardens were tasked to patrol the public area in front of the gallery from 8am to 4pm on weekdays.

Outside those hours, the gallery’s security guards will keep watch, in addition to the venue’s CCTV.

However, a resident said the youngsters returned as soon as street wardens and police left. She said: “I cannot see the point of spending all that money on wages. They have no laws to stop the youngsters, other than by their presence.

“If you were a mum or dad going to look at Firstsite, there would be too many kids and that is antisocial in itself. That many kids together with skateboards, making all that noise, can be initimidating.”

Tim Young, councillor for community safety, said: “We had reports from Firstsite, nearby residents and visitors, of the build-up of young people and antisocial behaviour and vandalism going up. We increased patrols and the council’s street wardens and PCSOs have had the desired effect.”

Mr Young said wardens had spoken with youngsters to encourage them to go inside the gallery, instead of hanging around outside.

He said the number of wardens deployed had been reduced to four because matters had improved. He said: “All we have done is shift resources from other areas to Firstsite.

We will regularly review how long we need to keep them there.

“We started with a large presence, but have reduced that and the youngsters haven’t returned. If we need to step it up again, we will, as we need to make the area more welcoming.”

Mr Young said a meeting would be held in December with Firstsite and the police to review the situation.

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8:02am Thu 28 Nov 13

Say It As It Is OK? says...

Mr Young said wardens had spoken with youngsters to encourage them to go inside the gallery, instead of hanging around outside.

Good thinking (nice but dim) Tim, that'll get visitor numbers up!
Mr Young said wardens had spoken with youngsters to encourage them to go inside the gallery, instead of hanging around outside. Good thinking (nice but dim) Tim, that'll get visitor numbers up! Say It As It Is OK?

9:06am Thu 28 Nov 13

romantic says...

I live pretty close to the VAF and walk past it quite often, and have to say that the kids seem OK. I used to hang around doing nothing much when I was their age, it's really not such a big deal. The only thing I wish they would change is not to leave all their rubbish lying around, but I don't think they could be described as intimidating.

We have created a public space, but now find that the wrong sort of public uses it. How very Colchester!
I live pretty close to the VAF and walk past it quite often, and have to say that the kids seem OK. I used to hang around doing nothing much when I was their age, it's really not such a big deal. The only thing I wish they would change is not to leave all their rubbish lying around, but I don't think they could be described as intimidating. We have created a public space, but now find that the wrong sort of public uses it. How very Colchester! romantic

9:53am Thu 28 Nov 13

Simon Taylor says...

I don't think it's their intention to be intimidating, but they do seem to be in their own bubble and unaware that other people might want to use and enjoy the space as well. This solution may seem heavy-handed, but I'm not sure what else could have been done.
I don't think it's their intention to be intimidating, but they do seem to be in their own bubble and unaware that other people might want to use and enjoy the space as well. This solution may seem heavy-handed, but I'm not sure what else could have been done. Simon Taylor

10:12am Thu 28 Nov 13

tomtheDJ says...

romantic wrote:
I live pretty close to the VAF and walk past it quite often, and have to say that the kids seem OK. I used to hang around doing nothing much when I was their age, it's really not such a big deal. The only thing I wish they would change is not to leave all their rubbish lying around, but I don't think they could be described as intimidating. We have created a public space, but now find that the wrong sort of public uses it. How very Colchester!
How very Colchester Indeed romantic........lol

""We will regularly review how long we need to keep them there.""
were they refuring to the police like presence,
or maybe the controlling (or completely out of control ? )
members of CBC...
Hmmmm, not sure there, and you !

OK, lets look at the facts.
Colchester has children & young adults with no sence of purpose nor no real inviting places to go,
thats why they chose a new fresh, deserted open space to meet up at.

the golden banna/ytud/firstshit
e call it what you will,
meets those youngsters needs.
which brings forewards another sad point, dose CBC not provide anywhere else for those now unwanted kids to go and enjoy fresh air outdoor excorsize, or does CBC want ALL kids to sit indoors in bleak outlook days of computor games playing ??
A very unhealthy option that would be.
I thought that any decent council would be only too glad to see kids excorsizing outside, in the free fresh air,

but sadly, Colchester Council members do not see this.
SHAME on you..

nothing ever changes then does it.
[quote][p][bold]romantic[/bold] wrote: I live pretty close to the VAF and walk past it quite often, and have to say that the kids seem OK. I used to hang around doing nothing much when I was their age, it's really not such a big deal. The only thing I wish they would change is not to leave all their rubbish lying around, but I don't think they could be described as intimidating. We have created a public space, but now find that the wrong sort of public uses it. How very Colchester![/p][/quote]How very Colchester Indeed romantic........lol ""We will regularly review how long we need to keep them there."" were they refuring to the police like presence, or maybe the controlling (or completely out of control ? ) members of CBC... Hmmmm, not sure there, and you ! OK, lets look at the facts. Colchester has children & young adults with no sence of purpose nor no real inviting places to go, thats why they chose a new fresh, deserted open space to meet up at. the golden banna/ytud/firstshit e call it what you will, meets those youngsters needs. which brings forewards another sad point, dose CBC not provide anywhere else for those now unwanted kids to go and enjoy fresh air outdoor excorsize, or does CBC want ALL kids to sit indoors in bleak outlook days of computor games playing ?? A very unhealthy option that would be. I thought that any decent council would be only too glad to see kids excorsizing outside, in the free fresh air, but sadly, Colchester Council members do not see this. SHAME on you.. nothing ever changes then does it. tomtheDJ

10:42am Thu 28 Nov 13

executive says...

Why should First Site get preferential treatment at the expense of others.
Put the Bus Station back where it belongs and it will be self policing.
Why should First Site get preferential treatment at the expense of others. Put the Bus Station back where it belongs and it will be self policing. executive

11:09am Thu 28 Nov 13

Colonel Kurtz says...

I've studied these kids and know them. The only solution is an intelligent and intellectual strategy. Cut their hoodies off....off with them. Remove them with shears in the street. Display the trophy hoods in the town hall. Prizes for the most hoods cut off should be awarded to the general public. All the material collected can be sewn into a massive patchwork quilt and donated to a homeless charity. Ban all hood wearing morons.
I've studied these kids and know them. The only solution is an intelligent and intellectual strategy. Cut their hoodies off....off with them. Remove them with shears in the street. Display the trophy hoods in the town hall. Prizes for the most hoods cut off should be awarded to the general public. All the material collected can be sewn into a massive patchwork quilt and donated to a homeless charity. Ban all hood wearing morons. Colonel Kurtz

11:24am Thu 28 Nov 13

wormshero says...

It's amazing how much lots of adults hate teenagers, it's almost like they were never young themselves. Never seen any trouble out there, but then I'm all for people skating in that space too.
It's amazing how much lots of adults hate teenagers, it's almost like they were never young themselves. Never seen any trouble out there, but then I'm all for people skating in that space too. wormshero

11:26am Thu 28 Nov 13

Libetia says...

I suspect the "youths" stand out because they are the only ones that actually patronise Firstsite, albeit only outside.
I suspect the "youths" stand out because they are the only ones that actually patronise Firstsite, albeit only outside. Libetia

12:18pm Thu 28 Nov 13

tomtheDJ says...

Colonel Kurtz wrote:
I've studied these kids and know them. The only solution is an intelligent and intellectual strategy. Cut their hoodies off....off with them. Remove them with shears in the street. Display the trophy hoods in the town hall. Prizes for the most hoods cut off should be awarded to the general public. All the material collected can be sewn into a massive patchwork quilt and donated to a homeless charity. Ban all hood wearing morons.
""I've studied these kids and know them. The only solution is an intelligent and intellectual strategy""
you sound so CBC Kurtz,
wonder just who you are.

you sound like a council techie that supplies monitoring information
(or other)
to those who know notinnnng
so, repeat after me, ve are ze leeeders of mindt kontrollll
[quote][p][bold]Colonel Kurtz[/bold] wrote: I've studied these kids and know them. The only solution is an intelligent and intellectual strategy. Cut their hoodies off....off with them. Remove them with shears in the street. Display the trophy hoods in the town hall. Prizes for the most hoods cut off should be awarded to the general public. All the material collected can be sewn into a massive patchwork quilt and donated to a homeless charity. Ban all hood wearing morons.[/p][/quote]""I've studied these kids and know them. The only solution is an intelligent and intellectual strategy"" you sound so CBC Kurtz, wonder just who you are. you sound like a council techie that supplies monitoring information (or other) to those who know notinnnng so, repeat after me, ve are ze leeeders of mindt kontrollll tomtheDJ

1:12pm Thu 28 Nov 13

greenbroker says...

This has nothing to do with FirstSite (other than them complaining). It's about unacceptable behavior in a public space.
This has nothing to do with FirstSite (other than them complaining). It's about unacceptable behavior in a public space. greenbroker

1:54pm Thu 28 Nov 13

paperboy10 says...

Simon Taylor wrote:
I don't think it's their intention to be intimidating, but they do seem to be in their own bubble and unaware that other people might want to use and enjoy the space as well. This solution may seem heavy-handed, but I'm not sure what else could have been done.
Firstsite engaged with lots of these kids a long time ago, thinking it was more sensible to work with them rather than against. Many of these kids actually run programs for Firstsite. Firstsite have really done well with lots of these kids, but then that does not sell newspapers.
[quote][p][bold]Simon Taylor[/bold] wrote: I don't think it's their intention to be intimidating, but they do seem to be in their own bubble and unaware that other people might want to use and enjoy the space as well. This solution may seem heavy-handed, but I'm not sure what else could have been done.[/p][/quote]Firstsite engaged with lots of these kids a long time ago, thinking it was more sensible to work with them rather than against. Many of these kids actually run programs for Firstsite. Firstsite have really done well with lots of these kids, but then that does not sell newspapers. paperboy10

1:55pm Thu 28 Nov 13

paperboy10 says...

Libetia wrote:
I suspect the "youths" stand out because they are the only ones that actually patronise Firstsite, albeit only outside.
How well informed you must be..
[quote][p][bold]Libetia[/bold] wrote: I suspect the "youths" stand out because they are the only ones that actually patronise Firstsite, albeit only outside.[/p][/quote]How well informed you must be.. paperboy10

1:56pm Thu 28 Nov 13

paperboy10 says...

greenbroker wrote:
This has nothing to do with FirstSite (other than them complaining). It's about unacceptable behavior in a public space.
Agreed
[quote][p][bold]greenbroker[/bold] wrote: This has nothing to do with FirstSite (other than them complaining). It's about unacceptable behavior in a public space.[/p][/quote]Agreed paperboy10

2:22pm Thu 28 Nov 13

Colonel Kurtz says...

tomtheDJ wrote:
Colonel Kurtz wrote:
I've studied these kids and know them. The only solution is an intelligent and intellectual strategy. Cut their hoodies off....off with them. Remove them with shears in the street. Display the trophy hoods in the town hall. Prizes for the most hoods cut off should be awarded to the general public. All the material collected can be sewn into a massive patchwork quilt and donated to a homeless charity. Ban all hood wearing morons.
""I've studied these kids and know them. The only solution is an intelligent and intellectual strategy""
you sound so CBC Kurtz,
wonder just who you are.

you sound like a council techie that supplies monitoring information
(or other)
to those who know notinnnng
so, repeat after me, ve are ze leeeders of mindt kontrollll
Calm down Dear, it was a parody of the "not the nine o clock news" sketch on football hooligans.

Didn't think anyone would so stupid to take it literally
[quote][p][bold]tomtheDJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colonel Kurtz[/bold] wrote: I've studied these kids and know them. The only solution is an intelligent and intellectual strategy. Cut their hoodies off....off with them. Remove them with shears in the street. Display the trophy hoods in the town hall. Prizes for the most hoods cut off should be awarded to the general public. All the material collected can be sewn into a massive patchwork quilt and donated to a homeless charity. Ban all hood wearing morons.[/p][/quote]""I've studied these kids and know them. The only solution is an intelligent and intellectual strategy"" you sound so CBC Kurtz, wonder just who you are. you sound like a council techie that supplies monitoring information (or other) to those who know notinnnng so, repeat after me, ve are ze leeeders of mindt kontrollll[/p][/quote]Calm down Dear, it was a parody of the "not the nine o clock news" sketch on football hooligans. Didn't think anyone would so stupid to take it literally Colonel Kurtz

2:24pm Thu 28 Nov 13

paperboy10 says...

Let’s get the facts here rather than drawing conclusions.
The area under scrutiny here is the area under the cover at the very front of First site building. The rest of that area including the steps and benches alongside the minories has nothing to do with Firstsite it belongs to CBC.
As I understand it Firstsite has never complained about the kids outside, they certainly agree it was becoming an issue and over spilling into problems inside the gallery but never made official complaints to the authorities. It is only recently they have joined discussion since it has become more high profile. Firstsite to my knowledge has never turned these kids away in the rain and snow; they would often be seen sitting inside the gallery space playing cards and chatting. The only issue is that often some, not all, but some kids would leave rubbish all over the gallery floor and shout and use foul language for other patrons including kids to here. Remember there are lots of early year’s children and parents using the facility daily. I am told that some of these kids have been found drugged or drunk in the Gallery toilets and this is clearly a concern if it is happening inside Firstsite. Any responsible organisation would want to highlight these issues.
I am told that Firstsite has engaged with lots of these kids and they now run their own programs and Firstsite pays for many of them to partake in activities they could not otherwise afford or be offered. This has never to my knowledge been documented by the Gazette. Firstsite do more for some of these kids than CBC have ever done, but the extent to which Firstsite supports some of these kids does not make good news headlines.
Firstsite has recently has criminal damage done to it’s building including the main front window smashed. Although this may not be kids it demonstrates that this has become a vulnerable part of town due to its remote location and after hours darkness etc. Stuff definitely goes on here late at night, drugs, criminal damage, drinking etc.
I agree that everyone has the right to hang about in public areas even kids but the situation outside of Firstsite recently has got to epic proportions. I don’t know where these kids used to hang out but it is clearly the new ‘in thing’ as I have seen number in excess of 100 kids in that area, it looks crazy and definitely intimidating for Firstsite patrons. If this was any other public building such as the library, the castle, culver square, they would have complained a dam sight quicker than Firstsite, if they ever did in the first place.

These are the facts, plain and simple.
Let’s get the facts here rather than drawing conclusions. The area under scrutiny here is the area under the cover at the very front of First site building. The rest of that area including the steps and benches alongside the minories has nothing to do with Firstsite it belongs to CBC. As I understand it Firstsite has never complained about the kids outside, they certainly agree it was becoming an issue and over spilling into problems inside the gallery but never made official complaints to the authorities. It is only recently they have joined discussion since it has become more high profile. Firstsite to my knowledge has never turned these kids away in the rain and snow; they would often be seen sitting inside the gallery space playing cards and chatting. The only issue is that often some, not all, but some kids would leave rubbish all over the gallery floor and shout and use foul language for other patrons including kids to here. Remember there are lots of early year’s children and parents using the facility daily. I am told that some of these kids have been found drugged or drunk in the Gallery toilets and this is clearly a concern if it is happening inside Firstsite. Any responsible organisation would want to highlight these issues. I am told that Firstsite has engaged with lots of these kids and they now run their own programs and Firstsite pays for many of them to partake in activities they could not otherwise afford or be offered. This has never to my knowledge been documented by the Gazette. Firstsite do more for some of these kids than CBC have ever done, but the extent to which Firstsite supports some of these kids does not make good news headlines. Firstsite has recently has criminal damage done to it’s building including the main front window smashed. Although this may not be kids it demonstrates that this has become a vulnerable part of town due to its remote location and after hours darkness etc. Stuff definitely goes on here late at night, drugs, criminal damage, drinking etc. I agree that everyone has the right to hang about in public areas even kids but the situation outside of Firstsite recently has got to epic proportions. I don’t know where these kids used to hang out but it is clearly the new ‘in thing’ as I have seen number in excess of 100 kids in that area, it looks crazy and definitely intimidating for Firstsite patrons. If this was any other public building such as the library, the castle, culver square, they would have complained a dam sight quicker than Firstsite, if they ever did in the first place. These are the facts, plain and simple. paperboy10

2:51pm Thu 28 Nov 13

greenbroker says...

There's nothing wrong with a few kids meeting up on the streets, but when it get over about ten persons then problems can be created. I think there are laws against it?
There's nothing wrong with a few kids meeting up on the streets, but when it get over about ten persons then problems can be created. I think there are laws against it? greenbroker

3:15pm Thu 28 Nov 13

Colchester boy says...

Some very good comments so far but maybe not going far enough.
It's blatantly obvious these are attack gangs from the gangland style hoods they wear as has been mentioned above.
Lets get the heavies in and the police force and criminalise these kids as quickly as possible. Maybe an undercover operation to finger the gang leaders? We could then crush them as an example to the younger gang members?
Some of these filthy thugs are even using skateboards, how long can we let this madness go on?
Some very good comments so far but maybe not going far enough. It's blatantly obvious these are attack gangs from the gangland style hoods they wear as has been mentioned above. Lets get the heavies in and the police force and criminalise these kids as quickly as possible. Maybe an undercover operation to finger the gang leaders? We could then crush them as an example to the younger gang members? Some of these filthy thugs are even using skateboards, how long can we let this madness go on? Colchester boy

5:06pm Thu 28 Nov 13

All_talk_no_action says...

Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
Mr Young said wardens had spoken with youngsters to encourage them to go inside the gallery, instead of hanging around outside.

Good thinking (nice but dim) Tim, that'll get visitor numbers up!
They do hang out inside as well.
[quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: Mr Young said wardens had spoken with youngsters to encourage them to go inside the gallery, instead of hanging around outside. Good thinking (nice but dim) Tim, that'll get visitor numbers up![/p][/quote]They do hang out inside as well. All_talk_no_action

5:09pm Thu 28 Nov 13

All_talk_no_action says...

wormshero wrote:
It's amazing how much lots of adults hate teenagers, it's almost like they were never young themselves. Never seen any trouble out there, but then I'm all for people skating in that space too.
here here
[quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: It's amazing how much lots of adults hate teenagers, it's almost like they were never young themselves. Never seen any trouble out there, but then I'm all for people skating in that space too.[/p][/quote]here here All_talk_no_action

5:11pm Thu 28 Nov 13

All_talk_no_action says...

I go there every week, they seem to be just sitting around having a smoke and chatting like teenagers have for generations .
I go there every week, they seem to be just sitting around having a smoke and chatting like teenagers have for generations . All_talk_no_action

5:12pm Thu 28 Nov 13

tomtheDJ says...

Colonel Kurtz wrote:
tomtheDJ wrote:
Colonel Kurtz wrote: I've studied these kids and know them. The only solution is an intelligent and intellectual strategy. Cut their hoodies off....off with them. Remove them with shears in the street. Display the trophy hoods in the town hall. Prizes for the most hoods cut off should be awarded to the general public. All the material collected can be sewn into a massive patchwork quilt and donated to a homeless charity. Ban all hood wearing morons.
""I've studied these kids and know them. The only solution is an intelligent and intellectual strategy"" you sound so CBC Kurtz, wonder just who you are. you sound like a council techie that supplies monitoring information (or other) to those who know notinnnng so, repeat after me, ve are ze leeeders of mindt kontrollll
Calm down Dear, it was a parody of the "not the nine o clock news" sketch on football hooligans. Didn't think anyone would so stupid to take it literally
SO,
ve stinks ve are ze wvrong species too stink ve are able to vread ze paperzz,

do you really belive anyone takes,
Ahemm, you seriously,

oh really..............
....................
....................
...............LOL
[quote][p][bold]Colonel Kurtz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tomtheDJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colonel Kurtz[/bold] wrote: I've studied these kids and know them. The only solution is an intelligent and intellectual strategy. Cut their hoodies off....off with them. Remove them with shears in the street. Display the trophy hoods in the town hall. Prizes for the most hoods cut off should be awarded to the general public. All the material collected can be sewn into a massive patchwork quilt and donated to a homeless charity. Ban all hood wearing morons.[/p][/quote]""I've studied these kids and know them. The only solution is an intelligent and intellectual strategy"" you sound so CBC Kurtz, wonder just who you are. you sound like a council techie that supplies monitoring information (or other) to those who know notinnnng so, repeat after me, ve are ze leeeders of mindt kontrollll[/p][/quote]Calm down Dear, it was a parody of the "not the nine o clock news" sketch on football hooligans. Didn't think anyone would so stupid to take it literally[/p][/quote]SO, ve stinks ve are ze wvrong species too stink ve are able to vread ze paperzz, do you really belive anyone takes, Ahemm, you seriously, oh really.............. .................... .................... ...............LOL tomtheDJ

5:13pm Thu 28 Nov 13

greenbroker says...

All_talk_no_action wrote:
I go there every week, they seem to be just sitting around having a smoke and chatting like teenagers have for generations .
All_talk_no_action
Obviously you go when there's no trouble.
[quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: I go there every week, they seem to be just sitting around having a smoke and chatting like teenagers have for generations .[/p][/quote]All_talk_no_action Obviously you go when there's no trouble. greenbroker

5:19pm Thu 28 Nov 13

tomtheDJ says...

paperboy10 wrote:
Let’s get the facts here rather than drawing conclusions. The area under scrutiny here is the area under the cover at the very front of First site building. The rest of that area including the steps and benches alongside the minories has nothing to do with Firstsite it belongs to CBC. As I understand it Firstsite has never complained about the kids outside, they certainly agree it was becoming an issue and over spilling into problems inside the gallery but never made official complaints to the authorities. It is only recently they have joined discussion since it has become more high profile. Firstsite to my knowledge has never turned these kids away in the rain and snow; they would often be seen sitting inside the gallery space playing cards and chatting. The only issue is that often some, not all, but some kids would leave rubbish all over the gallery floor and shout and use foul language for other patrons including kids to here. Remember there are lots of early year’s children and parents using the facility daily. I am told that some of these kids have been found drugged or drunk in the Gallery toilets and this is clearly a concern if it is happening inside Firstsite. Any responsible organisation would want to highlight these issues. I am told that Firstsite has engaged with lots of these kids and they now run their own programs and Firstsite pays for many of them to partake in activities they could not otherwise afford or be offered. This has never to my knowledge been documented by the Gazette. Firstsite do more for some of these kids than CBC have ever done, but the extent to which Firstsite supports some of these kids does not make good news headlines. Firstsite has recently has criminal damage done to it’s building including the main front window smashed. Although this may not be kids it demonstrates that this has become a vulnerable part of town due to its remote location and after hours darkness etc. Stuff definitely goes on here late at night, drugs, criminal damage, drinking etc. I agree that everyone has the right to hang about in public areas even kids but the situation outside of Firstsite recently has got to epic proportions. I don’t know where these kids used to hang out but it is clearly the new ‘in thing’ as I have seen number in excess of 100 kids in that area, it looks crazy and definitely intimidating for Firstsite patrons. If this was any other public building such as the library, the castle, culver square, they would have complained a dam sight quicker than Firstsite, if they ever did in the first place. These are the facts, plain and simple.
should get a job reporting,
but then,
we would not have fairy stories to look forewards to..
[quote][p][bold]paperboy10[/bold] wrote: Let’s get the facts here rather than drawing conclusions. The area under scrutiny here is the area under the cover at the very front of First site building. The rest of that area including the steps and benches alongside the minories has nothing to do with Firstsite it belongs to CBC. As I understand it Firstsite has never complained about the kids outside, they certainly agree it was becoming an issue and over spilling into problems inside the gallery but never made official complaints to the authorities. It is only recently they have joined discussion since it has become more high profile. Firstsite to my knowledge has never turned these kids away in the rain and snow; they would often be seen sitting inside the gallery space playing cards and chatting. The only issue is that often some, not all, but some kids would leave rubbish all over the gallery floor and shout and use foul language for other patrons including kids to here. Remember there are lots of early year’s children and parents using the facility daily. I am told that some of these kids have been found drugged or drunk in the Gallery toilets and this is clearly a concern if it is happening inside Firstsite. Any responsible organisation would want to highlight these issues. I am told that Firstsite has engaged with lots of these kids and they now run their own programs and Firstsite pays for many of them to partake in activities they could not otherwise afford or be offered. This has never to my knowledge been documented by the Gazette. Firstsite do more for some of these kids than CBC have ever done, but the extent to which Firstsite supports some of these kids does not make good news headlines. Firstsite has recently has criminal damage done to it’s building including the main front window smashed. Although this may not be kids it demonstrates that this has become a vulnerable part of town due to its remote location and after hours darkness etc. Stuff definitely goes on here late at night, drugs, criminal damage, drinking etc. I agree that everyone has the right to hang about in public areas even kids but the situation outside of Firstsite recently has got to epic proportions. I don’t know where these kids used to hang out but it is clearly the new ‘in thing’ as I have seen number in excess of 100 kids in that area, it looks crazy and definitely intimidating for Firstsite patrons. If this was any other public building such as the library, the castle, culver square, they would have complained a dam sight quicker than Firstsite, if they ever did in the first place. These are the facts, plain and simple.[/p][/quote]should get a job reporting, but then, we would not have fairy stories to look forewards to.. tomtheDJ

7:01pm Thu 28 Nov 13

Hamiltonandy says...

The vandalism has been going on for ages both internally and externally. They now lock up rooms when not in use. Hopefully this abandoned building will be allowed to have a financially viable use one day. Unfortunately Colchester Council would rather squander public money on the useless Firstsite group. Most repairs of the VAF are not paid by Firstsite but by Colchester Council who seem to think the VAF a front line service.
The vandalism has been going on for ages both internally and externally. They now lock up rooms when not in use. Hopefully this abandoned building will be allowed to have a financially viable use one day. Unfortunately Colchester Council would rather squander public money on the useless Firstsite group. Most repairs of the VAF are not paid by Firstsite but by Colchester Council who seem to think the VAF a front line service. Hamiltonandy

7:08pm Thu 28 Nov 13

Boris. says...

We should get them young swines to burn the place down so we can get insurance funds back on what has been a disaster! Vote Ukip
We should get them young swines to burn the place down so we can get insurance funds back on what has been a disaster! Vote Ukip Boris.

7:17pm Thu 28 Nov 13

greenbroker says...

Boris. wrote:
We should get them young swines to burn the place down so we can get insurance funds back on what has been a disaster! Vote Ukip
Boris you are condoning criminal activity. You are probably one of the guilty and should be arrested. Nothing to do with Ukip. Hamiltonandy I repeat it's not about Firstsite but public space.
[quote][p][bold]Boris.[/bold] wrote: We should get them young swines to burn the place down so we can get insurance funds back on what has been a disaster! Vote Ukip[/p][/quote]Boris you are condoning criminal activity. You are probably one of the guilty and should be arrested. Nothing to do with Ukip. Hamiltonandy I repeat it's not about Firstsite but public space. greenbroker

7:59pm Thu 28 Nov 13

tomtheDJ says...

greenbroker wrote:
Boris. wrote: We should get them young swines to burn the place down so we can get insurance funds back on what has been a disaster! Vote Ukip
Boris you are condoning criminal activity. You are probably one of the guilty and should be arrested. Nothing to do with Ukip. Hamiltonandy I repeat it's not about Firstsite but public space.
Boris speaks his mind !
but no being a colchester resident
but a "mere" lowly unwanted visitor,
I have to rely on those who speak out about activities that happen outside the boundery of my District.
I have never been inside the golden banana, nor do I actuly find anything advertised for boardring districts residents thats entices me into the car parking, driving bedlem surrounding the luveys meeting place.
I am disabled enough to need close by parking,
but even then, cannot find any information of on site disabled parking,
unless I arrive on a skateboard, with both travel means being frowned on !!

loved the referance to UKIP Boris,
your humour gets above some at times it seems,
well done.

Happy thanksgiving,
but dont tell the turkeys,
even CBC ones ;)
[quote][p][bold]greenbroker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boris.[/bold] wrote: We should get them young swines to burn the place down so we can get insurance funds back on what has been a disaster! Vote Ukip[/p][/quote]Boris you are condoning criminal activity. You are probably one of the guilty and should be arrested. Nothing to do with Ukip. Hamiltonandy I repeat it's not about Firstsite but public space.[/p][/quote]Boris speaks his mind ! but no being a colchester resident but a "mere" lowly unwanted visitor, I have to rely on those who speak out about activities that happen outside the boundery of my District. I have never been inside the golden banana, nor do I actuly find anything advertised for boardring districts residents thats entices me into the car parking, driving bedlem surrounding the luveys meeting place. I am disabled enough to need close by parking, but even then, cannot find any information of on site disabled parking, unless I arrive on a skateboard, with both travel means being frowned on !! loved the referance to UKIP Boris, your humour gets above some at times it seems, well done. Happy thanksgiving, but dont tell the turkeys, even CBC ones ;) tomtheDJ

9:50pm Thu 28 Nov 13

William George says...

executive wrote:
Why should First Site get preferential treatment at the expense of others.
Put the Bus Station back where it belongs and it will be self policing.
First Site should not be given preferential treatment at the expenses of others, but who can you get to support your opinion of that from any called councillor in the planning committee in Colchester Borough Council.
[quote][p][bold]executive[/bold] wrote: Why should First Site get preferential treatment at the expense of others. Put the Bus Station back where it belongs and it will be self policing.[/p][/quote]First Site should not be given preferential treatment at the expenses of others, but who can you get to support your opinion of that from any called councillor in the planning committee in Colchester Borough Council. William George

10:08pm Thu 28 Nov 13

Hamiltonandy says...

If only this area was turned over to retail business it would be a good source of business rates for the council and a major attraction to shoppers. Instead the VAF and surrounding landscaping are a financial moneypit.
If only this area was turned over to retail business it would be a good source of business rates for the council and a major attraction to shoppers. Instead the VAF and surrounding landscaping are a financial moneypit. Hamiltonandy

10:19pm Thu 28 Nov 13

stevedawson says...

How many millions did the skate park cost?
How many millions did the skate park cost? stevedawson

3:21am Fri 29 Nov 13

Boris says...

Boris. wrote:
We should get them young swines to burn the place down so we can get insurance funds back on what has been a disaster! Vote Ukip
Please note this comment comes not from Boris (me) but from someone else called "Boris." (with a dot).
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I would certainly not have written such drivel, nor would I have invited anyone to vote UKIP.
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For the record, I am all in favour of the young people skateboarding in front of the VAF. They breathe life into the area, and I hope they carry on doing so.
[quote][p][bold]Boris.[/bold] wrote: We should get them young swines to burn the place down so we can get insurance funds back on what has been a disaster! Vote Ukip[/p][/quote]Please note this comment comes not from Boris (me) but from someone else called "Boris." (with a dot). . I would certainly not have written such drivel, nor would I have invited anyone to vote UKIP. . For the record, I am all in favour of the young people skateboarding in front of the VAF. They breathe life into the area, and I hope they carry on doing so. Boris

8:14am Fri 29 Nov 13

greenbroker says...

Hamiltonandy wrote:
If only this area was turned over to retail business it would be a good source of business rates for the council and a major attraction to shoppers. Instead the VAF and surrounding landscaping are a financial moneypit.
Hamiltonandy One needs to judge when the whole area is completed. Are you serious about a retail park in the town centre? That would look nice against some the lovely buildings nearby. In that case the CBC has made the right decision. This discussion has got political now which it's not about.
[quote][p][bold]Hamiltonandy[/bold] wrote: If only this area was turned over to retail business it would be a good source of business rates for the council and a major attraction to shoppers. Instead the VAF and surrounding landscaping are a financial moneypit.[/p][/quote]Hamiltonandy One needs to judge when the whole area is completed. Are you serious about a retail park in the town centre? That would look nice against some the lovely buildings nearby. In that case the CBC has made the right decision. This discussion has got political now which it's not about. greenbroker

10:30am Fri 29 Nov 13

cynicalsubber says...

tomtheDJ wrote:
Colonel Kurtz wrote:
I've studied these kids and know them. The only solution is an intelligent and intellectual strategy. Cut their hoodies off....off with them. Remove them with shears in the street. Display the trophy hoods in the town hall. Prizes for the most hoods cut off should be awarded to the general public. All the material collected can be sewn into a massive patchwork quilt and donated to a homeless charity. Ban all hood wearing morons.
""I've studied these kids and know them. The only solution is an intelligent and intellectual strategy""
you sound so CBC Kurtz,
wonder just who you are.

you sound like a council techie that supplies monitoring information
(or other)
to those who know notinnnng
so, repeat after me, ve are ze leeeders of mindt kontrollll
Um, the Colonel is mangling an old Not the Nine O'Clock News sketch...
[quote][p][bold]tomtheDJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colonel Kurtz[/bold] wrote: I've studied these kids and know them. The only solution is an intelligent and intellectual strategy. Cut their hoodies off....off with them. Remove them with shears in the street. Display the trophy hoods in the town hall. Prizes for the most hoods cut off should be awarded to the general public. All the material collected can be sewn into a massive patchwork quilt and donated to a homeless charity. Ban all hood wearing morons.[/p][/quote]""I've studied these kids and know them. The only solution is an intelligent and intellectual strategy"" you sound so CBC Kurtz, wonder just who you are. you sound like a council techie that supplies monitoring information (or other) to those who know notinnnng so, repeat after me, ve are ze leeeders of mindt kontrollll[/p][/quote]Um, the Colonel is mangling an old Not the Nine O'Clock News sketch... cynicalsubber

12:21pm Fri 29 Nov 13

Bing Bong says...

All i will say is you take the kids away there will be no one else visiting this total waste of time and money. But hey CBC only look after there-selves and there pockets and if you think otherwise you most lightly work with them.
All i will say is you take the kids away there will be no one else visiting this total waste of time and money. But hey CBC only look after there-selves and there pockets and if you think otherwise you most lightly work with them. Bing Bong

1:47pm Fri 29 Nov 13

rhetoric says...

I'm more than a bit fed up with the whining about the Poor Little Kids.
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There are lawns to be mowed, weeding to be done, cars to be cleaned, and that's just for parents and grandparents
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When did you last see a teenager pushing a lawnmower? When did you see one carrying out rubbish to the bin, washing the downstairs windows,
going on an errand for mother or grandmother?
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It's not supposed to be "cool" to help anyone or to do something useful. I do realise there are dedicated groups who do "good turns", probably for a contribution to charity, but what kids these days have any idea that they should contribute to their family's wellbeing and pull their weight?
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So sad that they "only" have their pcs and tablets and marvellous phones. No wonder we have lost the wonder of discovering a new author at the Library (free entertainment). It's too much trouble to use the imagination.
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I don't deny there is a shortage of paid work for those old enough to undertake it, and that will put more youths on the streets looking for something to do. Let them apply to the elderly and less able, they'll soon find worthwhile occupation, and maybe learn something, also pick up some useful life skills if they can be bothered to listen and look.
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While there are people out there struggling to cope with everyday life because of disability or illness, or sheer frailty, it is impossible to sympathise with anyone qualifying fully as a layabout.
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It would be great, though seemingly most unlikely, if one of the youths in question organised the others in something such as an unpaid litter pick-up squad. Oh dear! That's classified as hard work, beneath these lads and girls, they have more important things to do....
I'm more than a bit fed up with the whining about the Poor Little Kids. . There are lawns to be mowed, weeding to be done, cars to be cleaned, and that's just for parents and grandparents . When did you last see a teenager pushing a lawnmower? When did you see one carrying out rubbish to the bin, washing the downstairs windows, going on an errand for mother or grandmother? . It's not supposed to be "cool" to help anyone or to do something useful. I do realise there are dedicated groups who do "good turns", probably for a contribution to charity, but what kids these days have any idea that they should contribute to their family's wellbeing and pull their weight? . So sad that they "only" have their pcs and tablets and marvellous phones. No wonder we have lost the wonder of discovering a new author at the Library (free entertainment). It's too much trouble to use the imagination. . I don't deny there is a shortage of paid work for those old enough to undertake it, and that will put more youths on the streets looking for something to do. Let them apply to the elderly and less able, they'll soon find worthwhile occupation, and maybe learn something, also pick up some useful life skills if they can be bothered to listen and look. . While there are people out there struggling to cope with everyday life because of disability or illness, or sheer frailty, it is impossible to sympathise with anyone qualifying fully as a layabout. . It would be great, though seemingly most unlikely, if one of the youths in question organised the others in something such as an unpaid litter pick-up squad. Oh dear! That's classified as hard work, beneath these lads and girls, they have more important things to do.... rhetoric

1:58pm Fri 29 Nov 13

greenbroker says...

Bing Bong I'm more than a bit fed up with the whining about the Poor Little Kids.......


You are absolutely right. I have two offspring at home in their 20's and they don't lift a finger. They expect their parents to do everything and run around for them including transportation. As they say....it's the modern generation.
Bing Bong I'm more than a bit fed up with the whining about the Poor Little Kids....... You are absolutely right. I have two offspring at home in their 20's and they don't lift a finger. They expect their parents to do everything and run around for them including transportation. As they say....it's the modern generation. greenbroker

2:16pm Fri 29 Nov 13

ColchGirl says...

Bing Bong wrote:
All i will say is you take the kids away there will be no one else visiting this total waste of time and money. But hey CBC only look after there-selves and there pockets and if you think otherwise you most lightly work with them.
I'm suggesting that perhaps, Bing Bong, you might care to visit? Maybe stimulate your clearly under-educated brain? There-selves?? there pockets?? and 'lightly' - I think you mean 'likely'!
[quote][p][bold]Bing Bong[/bold] wrote: All i will say is you take the kids away there will be no one else visiting this total waste of time and money. But hey CBC only look after there-selves and there pockets and if you think otherwise you most lightly work with them.[/p][/quote]I'm suggesting that perhaps, Bing Bong, you might care to visit? Maybe stimulate your clearly under-educated brain? There-selves?? there pockets?? and 'lightly' - I think you mean 'likely'! ColchGirl

3:28pm Fri 29 Nov 13

rhetoric says...

Greenbroker, you say you agree "it's the modern generation". Have you tried saying "no" to your offspring?
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Alternatively, have you tried exchanging favours only for chores carried out?
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Maybe you were being ironic, but let's face it, if the parents put up with non-paying layabout lodgers they have to take some of the blame. When these kids do get jobs, they will resent being asked to do anything other than pick up their pay packets. and so it goes on....
Greenbroker, you say you agree "it's the modern generation". Have you tried saying "no" to your offspring? . Alternatively, have you tried exchanging favours only for chores carried out? . Maybe you were being ironic, but let's face it, if the parents put up with non-paying layabout lodgers they have to take some of the blame. When these kids do get jobs, they will resent being asked to do anything other than pick up their pay packets. and so it goes on.... rhetoric

3:52pm Fri 29 Nov 13

greenbroker says...

rhetoric wrote:
Greenbroker, you say you agree "it's the modern generation". Have you tried saying "no" to your offspring?
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Alternatively, have you tried exchanging favours only for chores carried out?
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Maybe you were being ironic, but let's face it, if the parents put up with non-paying layabout lodgers they have to take some of the blame. When these kids do get jobs, they will resent being asked to do anything other than pick up their pay packets. and so it goes on....
Rhetoric is right in what you say. I should say 'no', but it's not always easy. The 'other half' will invariably do it. I'd rather do chores myself rather than put up with the clutter and avoid a conflagration. One can evict for non-payment of 'rent', but there again it needs the sanction of the 'other half'. Households are difficult sometimes, as there are no 'rules' unless a couple agree to make them early in marriage. It looks like it will lead to a separation eventually. BTW kids like their jeans washed after each wearing. It's more difficult for parents these days. I can sympathise with some of the youngsters, as there are not so many 'proper' jobs these days, but hanging about on the street isn't going to help them. When one goes for an interview, probably the first thing a prospective employer will look at is what the retrospective employee has done so far in life. Helping out at the Colchester Film Festival would get a vote in my book.
[quote][p][bold]rhetoric[/bold] wrote: Greenbroker, you say you agree "it's the modern generation". Have you tried saying "no" to your offspring? . Alternatively, have you tried exchanging favours only for chores carried out? . Maybe you were being ironic, but let's face it, if the parents put up with non-paying layabout lodgers they have to take some of the blame. When these kids do get jobs, they will resent being asked to do anything other than pick up their pay packets. and so it goes on....[/p][/quote]Rhetoric is right in what you say. I should say 'no', but it's not always easy. The 'other half' will invariably do it. I'd rather do chores myself rather than put up with the clutter and avoid a conflagration. One can evict for non-payment of 'rent', but there again it needs the sanction of the 'other half'. Households are difficult sometimes, as there are no 'rules' unless a couple agree to make them early in marriage. It looks like it will lead to a separation eventually. BTW kids like their jeans washed after each wearing. It's more difficult for parents these days. I can sympathise with some of the youngsters, as there are not so many 'proper' jobs these days, but hanging about on the street isn't going to help them. When one goes for an interview, probably the first thing a prospective employer will look at is what the retrospective employee has done so far in life. Helping out at the Colchester Film Festival would get a vote in my book. greenbroker

5:31pm Fri 29 Nov 13

Bert_Stimpson says...

Members of the 'yob menace' group using the toilets and keeping warm in firsts*ite should be encouraged. It's helping the golden turd massage its visitor numbers no end. Staff going in and out 10 times a day; cleaner, the creative elite popping out to get a Guardian and a latte...it all adds up.

Biggest waste of public funds in the long history of Colchester and still they pour cash into this unwanted money pit.
Members of the 'yob menace' group using the toilets and keeping warm in firsts*ite should be encouraged. It's helping the golden turd massage its visitor numbers no end. Staff going in and out 10 times a day; cleaner, the creative elite popping out to get a Guardian and a latte...it all adds up. Biggest waste of public funds in the long history of Colchester and still they pour cash into this unwanted money pit. Bert_Stimpson

9:18pm Fri 29 Nov 13

paperboy10 says...

Hamiltonandy wrote:
The vandalism has been going on for ages both internally and externally. They now lock up rooms when not in use. Hopefully this abandoned building will be allowed to have a financially viable use one day. Unfortunately Colchester Council would rather squander public money on the useless Firstsite group. Most repairs of the VAF are not paid by Firstsite but by Colchester Council who seem to think the VAF a front line service.
This is such a good example of people commenting on stuff they simply no zero about. If your rented property was damaged would you expect your landlord to fix it? Yes you would. Firstsite do not own the building !!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Hamiltonandy[/bold] wrote: The vandalism has been going on for ages both internally and externally. They now lock up rooms when not in use. Hopefully this abandoned building will be allowed to have a financially viable use one day. Unfortunately Colchester Council would rather squander public money on the useless Firstsite group. Most repairs of the VAF are not paid by Firstsite but by Colchester Council who seem to think the VAF a front line service.[/p][/quote]This is such a good example of people commenting on stuff they simply no zero about. If your rented property was damaged would you expect your landlord to fix it? Yes you would. Firstsite do not own the building !!!!!!! paperboy10

9:24pm Fri 29 Nov 13

paperboy10 says...

Bert_Stimpson wrote:
Members of the 'yob menace' group using the toilets and keeping warm in firsts*ite should be encouraged. It's helping the golden turd massage its visitor numbers no end. Staff going in and out 10 times a day; cleaner, the creative elite popping out to get a Guardian and a latte...it all adds up.

Biggest waste of public funds in the long history of Colchester and still they pour cash into this unwanted money pit.
Very educated comment there Bert, well done. We could all learn from such wisdom...
[quote][p][bold]Bert_Stimpson[/bold] wrote: Members of the 'yob menace' group using the toilets and keeping warm in firsts*ite should be encouraged. It's helping the golden turd massage its visitor numbers no end. Staff going in and out 10 times a day; cleaner, the creative elite popping out to get a Guardian and a latte...it all adds up. Biggest waste of public funds in the long history of Colchester and still they pour cash into this unwanted money pit.[/p][/quote]Very educated comment there Bert, well done. We could all learn from such wisdom... paperboy10

9:24pm Fri 29 Nov 13

paperboy10 says...

Bert_Stimpson wrote:
Members of the 'yob menace' group using the toilets and keeping warm in firsts*ite should be encouraged. It's helping the golden turd massage its visitor numbers no end. Staff going in and out 10 times a day; cleaner, the creative elite popping out to get a Guardian and a latte...it all adds up.

Biggest waste of public funds in the long history of Colchester and still they pour cash into this unwanted money pit.
Very educated comment there Bert, well done. We could all learn from such wisdom...
[quote][p][bold]Bert_Stimpson[/bold] wrote: Members of the 'yob menace' group using the toilets and keeping warm in firsts*ite should be encouraged. It's helping the golden turd massage its visitor numbers no end. Staff going in and out 10 times a day; cleaner, the creative elite popping out to get a Guardian and a latte...it all adds up. Biggest waste of public funds in the long history of Colchester and still they pour cash into this unwanted money pit.[/p][/quote]Very educated comment there Bert, well done. We could all learn from such wisdom... paperboy10

10:35pm Fri 29 Nov 13

Hamiltonandy says...

Actually Firstsite have a very long lease on the building and if a real business would be expected to pay for all the repairs. Instead the council agreed a lease so favourable to the Firstsite parasites that they can indulge themselves in unpopular exhibitions of rubbish art.
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I visited the VAF again today and noticed average visitor rate was 7.5/hour of which on average half were staff returning from coffee-breaks elsewhere. It was interesting to see the five street wardens hiding between their vehicles in the bus station. After the first 30 minutes I did ask if they had considered patrolling round the VAF. An hour later two of them did a leisurely stroll around. I would estimate the remaining three walked about twenty yards from the van to the VAF entrance in the same time.
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The street wardens had a happy time in endless conversation and phone calls to their mates. They avoided going into the VAF preferring to get snacks and drinks from McDonalds. The lack of exercise and high fat diet cannot be good for them. Instead they preferred to stand in the empty windswept skateboard area telling me how they had been dragged away from essential duties elsewhere. So this is what Councillor Young called a "modest and proportionate" use of public resources.
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I look forward to 3pm Saturday when I understand the Firstsite staff emerge from their carbuncle to object to the public being anywhere near their hideous and structurally defective white elephant. Perhaps they might try to remove some of the artistic comments on the sides.
Actually Firstsite have a very long lease on the building and if a real business would be expected to pay for all the repairs. Instead the council agreed a lease so favourable to the Firstsite parasites that they can indulge themselves in unpopular exhibitions of rubbish art. . I visited the VAF again today and noticed average visitor rate was 7.5/hour of which on average half were staff returning from coffee-breaks elsewhere. It was interesting to see the five street wardens hiding between their vehicles in the bus station. After the first 30 minutes I did ask if they had considered patrolling round the VAF. An hour later two of them did a leisurely stroll around. I would estimate the remaining three walked about twenty yards from the van to the VAF entrance in the same time. . The street wardens had a happy time in endless conversation and phone calls to their mates. They avoided going into the VAF preferring to get snacks and drinks from McDonalds. The lack of exercise and high fat diet cannot be good for them. Instead they preferred to stand in the empty windswept skateboard area telling me how they had been dragged away from essential duties elsewhere. So this is what Councillor Young called a "modest and proportionate" use of public resources. . I look forward to 3pm Saturday when I understand the Firstsite staff emerge from their carbuncle to object to the public being anywhere near their hideous and structurally defective white elephant. Perhaps they might try to remove some of the artistic comments on the sides. Hamiltonandy

12:18am Sat 30 Nov 13

foscam says...

Hamiltonandy wrote:
Actually Firstsite have a very long lease on the building and if a real business would be expected to pay for all the repairs. Instead the council agreed a lease so favourable to the Firstsite parasites that they can indulge themselves in unpopular exhibitions of rubbish art.
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I visited the VAF again today and noticed average visitor rate was 7.5/hour of which on average half were staff returning from coffee-breaks elsewhere. It was interesting to see the five street wardens hiding between their vehicles in the bus station. After the first 30 minutes I did ask if they had considered patrolling round the VAF. An hour later two of them did a leisurely stroll around. I would estimate the remaining three walked about twenty yards from the van to the VAF entrance in the same time.
.
The street wardens had a happy time in endless conversation and phone calls to their mates. They avoided going into the VAF preferring to get snacks and drinks from McDonalds. The lack of exercise and high fat diet cannot be good for them. Instead they preferred to stand in the empty windswept skateboard area telling me how they had been dragged away from essential duties elsewhere. So this is what Councillor Young called a "modest and proportionate" use of public resources.
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I look forward to 3pm Saturday when I understand the Firstsite staff emerge from their carbuncle to object to the public being anywhere near their hideous and structurally defective white elephant. Perhaps they might try to remove some of the artistic comments on the sides.
Interesting comments... a shame not all true. I read the article in the Gazette and decided to head down there myself.

So I went there today and I stopped and spoke to the wardens and asked about what they was doing to be told about the anti-social behaviour from a minority of youths that hang around there, I also asked about the cost and was told that they had been redeployed from other areas and tasks, not once did they mention the words 'dragged' or 'essential'.

And yes whilst I was chatting to the wardens his phone rang for which he apologised and the answered giving his name and title with a 'How may I help you' hardly a way you would expect someone to start a phone call to their mate and this happened several times whilst I was there.

I also spoke to a couple of passing bus drivers and asked them if they thought this was necessary to be told that it was a vast improvement as they had felt intimidated and some of their colleagues had been threatened and had skateboards hit them whilst walking through from shifts.

Whilst I was there a gentleman on a bicycle who had been just sitting watching started being rude and argumentative towards a couple of the wardens there. I watched as one of the other wardens approached and started to talk to the gentleman politely but it seemed the gentleman was intent on just causing trouble I then had to leave due to an appointment but upon my return on the way through the same gentleman was still there talking to the same warden which must have been a good three quarters of an hour to an hour later from leaving! Perhaps this is why Hamiltonandy posted that that they never moved and had endless conversation.

Whilst I agree that this maybe a white elephant for Colchester and I also witnessed very few visitors to Firstsite I do not feel it is fair to blast people just doing what had been asked of them because the poster has a very obvious hatred of Firstsite and the council. I took the time to discover the facts and engage with people there.

I also agree with the posts about the youngster not wanting to do anything for themselves and expecting society to provide it for them is this fallout from bad parenting or the benefit culture? I guess that is another story...
[quote][p][bold]Hamiltonandy[/bold] wrote: Actually Firstsite have a very long lease on the building and if a real business would be expected to pay for all the repairs. Instead the council agreed a lease so favourable to the Firstsite parasites that they can indulge themselves in unpopular exhibitions of rubbish art. . I visited the VAF again today and noticed average visitor rate was 7.5/hour of which on average half were staff returning from coffee-breaks elsewhere. It was interesting to see the five street wardens hiding between their vehicles in the bus station. After the first 30 minutes I did ask if they had considered patrolling round the VAF. An hour later two of them did a leisurely stroll around. I would estimate the remaining three walked about twenty yards from the van to the VAF entrance in the same time. . The street wardens had a happy time in endless conversation and phone calls to their mates. They avoided going into the VAF preferring to get snacks and drinks from McDonalds. The lack of exercise and high fat diet cannot be good for them. Instead they preferred to stand in the empty windswept skateboard area telling me how they had been dragged away from essential duties elsewhere. So this is what Councillor Young called a "modest and proportionate" use of public resources. . I look forward to 3pm Saturday when I understand the Firstsite staff emerge from their carbuncle to object to the public being anywhere near their hideous and structurally defective white elephant. Perhaps they might try to remove some of the artistic comments on the sides.[/p][/quote]Interesting comments... a shame not all true. I read the article in the Gazette and decided to head down there myself. So I went there today and I stopped and spoke to the wardens and asked about what they was doing to be told about the anti-social behaviour from a minority of youths that hang around there, I also asked about the cost and was told that they had been redeployed from other areas and tasks, not once did they mention the words 'dragged' or 'essential'. And yes whilst I was chatting to the wardens his phone rang for which he apologised and the answered giving his name and title with a 'How may I help you' hardly a way you would expect someone to start a phone call to their mate and this happened several times whilst I was there. I also spoke to a couple of passing bus drivers and asked them if they thought this was necessary to be told that it was a vast improvement as they had felt intimidated and some of their colleagues had been threatened and had skateboards hit them whilst walking through from shifts. Whilst I was there a gentleman on a bicycle who had been just sitting watching started being rude and argumentative towards a couple of the wardens there. I watched as one of the other wardens approached and started to talk to the gentleman politely but it seemed the gentleman was intent on just causing trouble I then had to leave due to an appointment but upon my return on the way through the same gentleman was still there talking to the same warden which must have been a good three quarters of an hour to an hour later from leaving! Perhaps this is why Hamiltonandy posted that that they never moved and had endless conversation. Whilst I agree that this maybe a white elephant for Colchester and I also witnessed very few visitors to Firstsite I do not feel it is fair to blast people just doing what had been asked of them because the poster has a very obvious hatred of Firstsite and the council. I took the time to discover the facts and engage with people there. I also agree with the posts about the youngster not wanting to do anything for themselves and expecting society to provide it for them is this fallout from bad parenting or the benefit culture? I guess that is another story... foscam

2:26am Sat 30 Nov 13

Boris. says...

Boris wrote:
Boris. wrote:
We should get them young swines to burn the place down so we can get insurance funds back on what has been a disaster! Vote Ukip
Please note this comment comes not from Boris (me) but from someone else called "Boris." (with a dot).
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I would certainly not have written such drivel, nor would I have invited anyone to vote UKIP.
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For the record, I am all in favour of the young people skateboarding in front of the VAF. They breathe life into the area, and I hope they carry on doing so.
Boris please you come out with so much dribble and try so hard to be a smart **** when judging by the fact i merely put a . after your name and most people thought it was you makes me laugh how you would argue with people that have no attention to detail. I myself am out of colchester and now in Canada yet i can't keep myself away from the lunacy and awful stories this paper makes. It is actually entertainment. Anyway Mr Boris we shall meet again and hopefully you will stop your evil ways!
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boris.[/bold] wrote: We should get them young swines to burn the place down so we can get insurance funds back on what has been a disaster! Vote Ukip[/p][/quote]Please note this comment comes not from Boris (me) but from someone else called "Boris." (with a dot). . I would certainly not have written such drivel, nor would I have invited anyone to vote UKIP. . For the record, I am all in favour of the young people skateboarding in front of the VAF. They breathe life into the area, and I hope they carry on doing so.[/p][/quote]Boris please you come out with so much dribble and try so hard to be a smart **** when judging by the fact i merely put a . after your name and most people thought it was you makes me laugh how you would argue with people that have no attention to detail. I myself am out of colchester and now in Canada yet i can't keep myself away from the lunacy and awful stories this paper makes. It is actually entertainment. Anyway Mr Boris we shall meet again and hopefully you will stop your evil ways! Boris.

10:44am Sat 30 Nov 13

rhetoric says...

greenbroker, I suggest a very gradual withdrawal of home services to your youngsters. If your other half has to do all the washing, clearing up, ferrying and so on, and probably you both work? it will soon be impossible for everyone to live a decent life according to their various requirements!
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Slowly, slowly, if you must.
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Yes, it's awful that the job situation is so bad, but as you say a prospective employer will ask what the layabouts have been doing while unemployed. Surely even "running the household and garden for my parents" would, in these days, make an employer sit up and take notice.
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I think it was J B Priestley who commented in one of his books that those who were unemployed between the two World Wars became debilitated and gradually unable to do any hard physical work. ok, this was partly because of malnourishment which was highly possible in those times, but also it was because of non-use of physical properties. I suggest that all faculties become dulled after a long period of being a "layabout".
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I also suggest that you are taking the - whatever - in saying that your kids' jeans need laundering between every wearing. Let them deal with the horror of wearing the jeans again and again until they cave in and wash/ iron them!
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How on earth are they ever going to cope when they move from home? Either they are well aware and able to do the chores themselves and are seeing how far they can push you and your wife, or they are unable and need training to save them from a horrible life when you are no longer in a place or position to look after them.
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How do you feel about becoming a pensioner with middle-aged offspring still expecting you to do their washing and ironing, clearing up and feeding? Wow! what a picture.
greenbroker, I suggest a very gradual withdrawal of home services to your youngsters. If your other half has to do all the washing, clearing up, ferrying and so on, and probably you both work? it will soon be impossible for everyone to live a decent life according to their various requirements! . Slowly, slowly, if you must. . Yes, it's awful that the job situation is so bad, but as you say a prospective employer will ask what the layabouts have been doing while unemployed. Surely even "running the household and garden for my parents" would, in these days, make an employer sit up and take notice. . I think it was J B Priestley who commented in one of his books that those who were unemployed between the two World Wars became debilitated and gradually unable to do any hard physical work. ok, this was partly because of malnourishment which was highly possible in those times, but also it was because of non-use of physical properties. I suggest that all faculties become dulled after a long period of being a "layabout". . I also suggest that you are taking the - whatever - in saying that your kids' jeans need laundering between every wearing. Let them deal with the horror of wearing the jeans again and again until they cave in and wash/ iron them! . How on earth are they ever going to cope when they move from home? Either they are well aware and able to do the chores themselves and are seeing how far they can push you and your wife, or they are unable and need training to save them from a horrible life when you are no longer in a place or position to look after them. . How do you feel about becoming a pensioner with middle-aged offspring still expecting you to do their washing and ironing, clearing up and feeding? Wow! what a picture. rhetoric

12:13pm Sat 30 Nov 13

greenbroker says...

rhetoric thank you for your kind and thoughtful comments. The sad thing is that I am a pensioner. OK I did get married late, but a lot of people do, especially these days. Some kids are aggressive and abusive. My son ripped the electronic thermostat off the wall and threw it into the fireplace one morning because he thought I was refusing him a lift down the road. That's the kind of behavior some parents have to put up with. I did contact various bodies about him when he was a teenager, but they just pass the buck until one gets nowhere. I asked my daughter (who is 26) for another £10 per month rent and she refused to give it to me, saying she couldn't afford it and yet she bought a car and threw out 35 dustbin bags full of clothing out from her bedroom. I've been called a drunk and a ****, but what can one do if the wife dotes on them? One needs the approval of both parents to remove their siblings. It has caused friction between my in-laws and the wife, so that's why it's all ending. My son is very intelligent as well, so I'm not dealing with a 'normal' person.
rhetoric thank you for your kind and thoughtful comments. The sad thing is that I am a pensioner. OK I did get married late, but a lot of people do, especially these days. Some kids are aggressive and abusive. My son ripped the electronic thermostat off the wall and threw it into the fireplace one morning because he thought I was refusing him a lift down the road. That's the kind of behavior some parents have to put up with. I did contact various bodies about him when he was a teenager, but they just pass the buck until one gets nowhere. I asked my daughter (who is 26) for another £10 per month rent and she refused to give it to me, saying she couldn't afford it and yet she bought a car and threw out 35 dustbin bags full of clothing out from her bedroom. I've been called a drunk and a ****, but what can one do if the wife dotes on them? One needs the approval of both parents to remove their siblings. It has caused friction between my in-laws and the wife, so that's why it's all ending. My son is very intelligent as well, so I'm not dealing with a 'normal' person. greenbroker

2:08pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Bert_Stimpson says...

paperboy10 wrote:
Bert_Stimpson wrote:
Members of the 'yob menace' group using the toilets and keeping warm in firsts*ite should be encouraged. It's helping the golden turd massage its visitor numbers no end. Staff going in and out 10 times a day; cleaner, the creative elite popping out to get a Guardian and a latte...it all adds up.

Biggest waste of public funds in the long history of Colchester and still they pour cash into this unwanted money pit.
Very educated comment there Bert, well done. We could all learn from such wisdom...
Cheers paperboy. Appreciate your support. Just stating the obvious. Glad to hear you are learning from my wisdom.
[quote][p][bold]paperboy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bert_Stimpson[/bold] wrote: Members of the 'yob menace' group using the toilets and keeping warm in firsts*ite should be encouraged. It's helping the golden turd massage its visitor numbers no end. Staff going in and out 10 times a day; cleaner, the creative elite popping out to get a Guardian and a latte...it all adds up. Biggest waste of public funds in the long history of Colchester and still they pour cash into this unwanted money pit.[/p][/quote]Very educated comment there Bert, well done. We could all learn from such wisdom...[/p][/quote]Cheers paperboy. Appreciate your support. Just stating the obvious. Glad to hear you are learning from my wisdom. Bert_Stimpson

6:33pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Hamiltonandy says...

I tried to get the street wardens to leave do some patrolling but failed despite me commenting on the ghastly carbuncle behind them. I would emphasize that 95% of the time they spent huddled together taking phone calls, drinking coffee and chats together. They harassed me, I was quite happy watching them doing nothing but they approached me to tell me at length what essential duties they had been dragged away to do nothing in this windswept empty area - all five of them! In fact some might consider they were intimidating and their language was somewhat limited. I can only report their own words. Also at no point did I sit down.
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On Saturday I turned up at about 3pm. Lots of youngsters enjoying socialising. I waited and waited but no sighting of any the phantom Firstsite security as mentioned in the Gazette. Compared to the virtually empty VAF good use was being made of the outside area and it costs the council nothing. Contrast that with the financial leeches infesting the unwanted white elephant.
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I cannot understand why anyone would tolerate so much public money being squandered on the VAF when people have voted with their feet. Until Colchester Council permits it to be a viable financial business the cultural quarter will remain a derelict abandoned area. A permanent monument to the greed and **** for personal glory of the town hall social club.
I tried to get the street wardens to leave do some patrolling but failed despite me commenting on the ghastly carbuncle behind them. I would emphasize that 95% of the time they spent huddled together taking phone calls, drinking coffee and chats together. They harassed me, I was quite happy watching them doing nothing but they approached me to tell me at length what essential duties they had been dragged away to do nothing in this windswept empty area - all five of them! In fact some might consider they were intimidating and their language was somewhat limited. I can only report their own words. Also at no point did I sit down. . On Saturday I turned up at about 3pm. Lots of youngsters enjoying socialising. I waited and waited but no sighting of any the phantom Firstsite security as mentioned in the Gazette. Compared to the virtually empty VAF good use was being made of the outside area and it costs the council nothing. Contrast that with the financial leeches infesting the unwanted white elephant. . I cannot understand why anyone would tolerate so much public money being squandered on the VAF when people have voted with their feet. Until Colchester Council permits it to be a viable financial business the cultural quarter will remain a derelict abandoned area. A permanent monument to the greed and **** for personal glory of the town hall social club. Hamiltonandy

6:53pm Sat 30 Nov 13

rhetoric says...

greenbroker, my sympathies. I think you might qualify for help as an abused person. There are other forms of abuse than being smacked around as you know by now.
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Maybe you find that the life you lead is better than being on your own, in which case you can suffer it more easily. It does not however remove the fact that your offspring have got away with being pretty useless in the family sense, and one wonders who else is going to suffer in the future because they know they can do (or not do) what they please now.
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Also maybe, they are two-faced enough to be different with other people who they know won't tolerate their nasty ways. That's worth a thought, isn't it. To my mind being two-faced is the worst of all behaviours.
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Whatever, good luck for the future, and I really sincerely mean that.
greenbroker, my sympathies. I think you might qualify for help as an abused person. There are other forms of abuse than being smacked around as you know by now. . Maybe you find that the life you lead is better than being on your own, in which case you can suffer it more easily. It does not however remove the fact that your offspring have got away with being pretty useless in the family sense, and one wonders who else is going to suffer in the future because they know they can do (or not do) what they please now. . Also maybe, they are two-faced enough to be different with other people who they know won't tolerate their nasty ways. That's worth a thought, isn't it. To my mind being two-faced is the worst of all behaviours. . Whatever, good luck for the future, and I really sincerely mean that. rhetoric

7:13pm Sat 30 Nov 13

greenbroker says...

rhetoric wrote:
greenbroker, my sympathies. I think you might qualify for help as an abused person. There are other forms of abuse than being smacked around as you know by now.
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Maybe you find that the life you lead is better than being on your own, in which case you can suffer it more easily. It does not however remove the fact that your offspring have got away with being pretty useless in the family sense, and one wonders who else is going to suffer in the future because they know they can do (or not do) what they please now.
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Also maybe, they are two-faced enough to be different with other people who they know won't tolerate their nasty ways. That's worth a thought, isn't it. To my mind being two-faced is the worst of all behaviours.
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Whatever, good luck for the future, and I really sincerely mean that.
rhetoric thanks for your kind words again. Being a father in the modern age is becoming harder. OTOH not as bad as some, as half of the modern generation have no real father at home. Poor mothers. Nobody taught me how to be a father, but I'm still trying. It's very difficult with outside pressure as well. Gone are the days when one could could keep things under reasonable control within one's own domain, as there are so many outside influences these days. I did my best to try and get the family around the table every day, but there's the TV, PC, changing hours (not 9 -5), so it was almost possible in the end. The mother-in-law even said it was OK to eat in front of the TV and told me to get back to work after I retired!

I'll be OK eventually as I'm in very good health, very fit, have a lot of interests and supportive friends. I quite like the idea of having total freedom, and being fully in control of myself.

In days gone by, the kids were more independent, they were working full time at 15 and learning life skills and meeting people. They were off your hands and helping out with the budget to a limited degree. Now parents, (some in advanced years) have to support their offspring by living at home for free and paying for their education as well. Things don't augur well for the future IMO.
[quote][p][bold]rhetoric[/bold] wrote: greenbroker, my sympathies. I think you might qualify for help as an abused person. There are other forms of abuse than being smacked around as you know by now. . Maybe you find that the life you lead is better than being on your own, in which case you can suffer it more easily. It does not however remove the fact that your offspring have got away with being pretty useless in the family sense, and one wonders who else is going to suffer in the future because they know they can do (or not do) what they please now. . Also maybe, they are two-faced enough to be different with other people who they know won't tolerate their nasty ways. That's worth a thought, isn't it. To my mind being two-faced is the worst of all behaviours. . Whatever, good luck for the future, and I really sincerely mean that.[/p][/quote]rhetoric thanks for your kind words again. Being a father in the modern age is becoming harder. OTOH not as bad as some, as half of the modern generation have no real father at home. Poor mothers. Nobody taught me how to be a father, but I'm still trying. It's very difficult with outside pressure as well. Gone are the days when one could could keep things under reasonable control within one's own domain, as there are so many outside influences these days. I did my best to try and get the family around the table every day, but there's the TV, PC, changing hours (not 9 -5), so it was almost possible in the end. The mother-in-law even said it was OK to eat in front of the TV and told me to get back to work after I retired! I'll be OK eventually as I'm in very good health, very fit, have a lot of interests and supportive friends. I quite like the idea of having total freedom, and being fully in control of myself. In days gone by, the kids were more independent, they were working full time at 15 and learning life skills and meeting people. They were off your hands and helping out with the budget to a limited degree. Now parents, (some in advanced years) have to support their offspring by living at home for free and paying for their education as well. Things don't augur well for the future IMO. greenbroker

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