Three wolves shot dead after escape from Colchester Zoo

Essex County Standard: Wolf escapes from Colchester Zoo Wolf escapes from Colchester Zoo

A WOLF which escaped from Colchester Zoo this morning has been shot dead.

The escaped animal was reported missing today at 8am after damage was seen to a fence. One wolf remained in the enclosure, one returned immediately, one was stunned and returned and two others died after being shot after getting out of the damaged enclosure.

At 3pm Essex Police tweeted that there had been a positive sigthing of the animal and it was being contained.

Colchester Zoo said at 3.50pm "Please note a full explanation/report will be given in due course after conclusion of the events please bear with us at this difficult time."

At 3.57pm there were reports Colchester Zoo had a "positive sighting" of escaped wolf reportedly cowering and frightened in undergrowth.

At 4.02pm Colchester Zoo was still open although lower half of the zoo has been closed off as a precaution while police search for the wolf.

At 4.14pm there were reports gunshots had been heard near Colchester Zoo.

At 4.17pm there were uncomfirmed reports the Essex wolf has been shot dead.

At 4.19pm the body of dead wolf was seen loaded into a 4x4.

At 4.26pm Colchester Zoo was refusing to confirm reports that wolf has been shot dead while the zoo prepares a statement.

At 5pm The Zoo said: "They are dangerous, wild animals, not pets, they would have posed a very real risk to the public."

At 5.01pm Colchester Zoo said it doesn't know how the damage to the perimeter fence occurred.

Police teams had been searching fields around the zoo and Maldon Road. 

A spokesman for Essex Police said: “Police are assisting staff at Colchester Zoo in the search for a wolf which escaped.

Essex County Standard: Police at Birch Park overlooking the zoo.

“The helicopter and ground units are searching Maldon Road and the fields surrounding.

“Officials at the zoo said Wolves are naturally timid but should not be cornered in any way.”

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This picture was taken of the wolves in the snow last year

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A picture of one of the wolves taken in 2012

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A statement released by the zoo after the shooting of the escaped wolf said: "At 7.30am on Tuesday 26th November, it was discovered that the perimeter fence to Colchester Zoo’s wolf enclosure had been damaged and five of the six timber wolves had left the enclosure. It is not known at this stage how the damage occurred despite the fence being routinely checked on a daily basis.

One of the wolves returned immediately of its own accord and one was darted and recaptured. Unfortunately, an anaesthetic dart takes 15 minutes to take effect and may not work at all in a stressed animal so two wolves that had left the perimeter of the zoo had to be shot. They are wild animals and in an unpredictable situation they would have posed a risk to the public.

The remaining wolf has now been located and very sadly also had to be destroyed.

We have obviously had a very difficult day and would be grateful for your consideration. We have nothing further to add at this time."

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A police officer in Birch earlier today

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The police helicopter was involved in today's hunt

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Police closed the road outside the zoo 

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Worried residents discuss the drama

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Zoo staff were involved in the search for the missing wolf

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Land owner Nicholas Cotswold makes his way to a Colchester Zoo staff member on his land

 

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2:20pm Tue 26 Nov 13

The Stinker Returns says...

Terribly sad that two had to be killed. Were they really likely to cause damage in the few minutes it would take to tranqualise them? Someone needs to be held responsible for the safety of these beautiful creatures.
Terribly sad that two had to be killed. Were they really likely to cause damage in the few minutes it would take to tranqualise them? Someone needs to be held responsible for the safety of these beautiful creatures. The Stinker Returns

2:46pm Tue 26 Nov 13

ebola1986 says...

If the fence was damaged then the zoo need to investigate how that was allowed to happen. Fences should be kept in perfect condition, and it seems to me that only a failure on the zoos behalf could have cased this. Two of these beautiful creatures have been killed because of a failing at the zoo, and it cannot be allowed to happen again.
If the fence was damaged then the zoo need to investigate how that was allowed to happen. Fences should be kept in perfect condition, and it seems to me that only a failure on the zoos behalf could have cased this. Two of these beautiful creatures have been killed because of a failing at the zoo, and it cannot be allowed to happen again. ebola1986

3:06pm Tue 26 Nov 13

pinkteapot says...

I'm confused by one thing... The wolf enclosure is in the middle of the zoo - they're not alongside a perimeter fence. They must have escaped their enclosure and then run through the zoo and managed to get out of a perimeter fence as well? Or is it just that they're in undergrowth at the zoo itself?
I'm confused by one thing... The wolf enclosure is in the middle of the zoo - they're not alongside a perimeter fence. They must have escaped their enclosure and then run through the zoo and managed to get out of a perimeter fence as well? Or is it just that they're in undergrowth at the zoo itself? pinkteapot

3:10pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Rachie says...

The Stinker Returns wrote:
Terribly sad that two had to be killed. Were they really likely to cause damage in the few minutes it would take to tranqualise them? Someone needs to be held responsible for the safety of these beautiful creatures.
It strikes me as odd that they needed to shoot 2 if they're harmless to humans.....

What a tragic shame :(
[quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: Terribly sad that two had to be killed. Were they really likely to cause damage in the few minutes it would take to tranqualise them? Someone needs to be held responsible for the safety of these beautiful creatures.[/p][/quote]It strikes me as odd that they needed to shoot 2 if they're harmless to humans..... What a tragic shame :( Rachie

3:13pm Tue 26 Nov 13

supermadmax says...

"two shot after five get out of damaged enclosure"

Good, safety first.
"two shot after five get out of damaged enclosure" Good, safety first. supermadmax

4:05pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Talullahbelle says...

The Stinker Returns wrote:
Terribly sad that two had to be killed. Were they really likely to cause damage in the few minutes it would take to tranqualise them? Someone needs to be held responsible for the safety of these beautiful creatures.
Why are we all so quick to pass blame? You don't know the circumstances surrounding this escape so why make that kind of statement? What do you mean that somebody needs to be held responsible? Wait until the zoo releases a statement first. It may not have been human error.

Zoo keepers and staff are trained to deal with these situations and would have had the safety of themselves and others outside of the zoo at the forefront of their minds. Sad as it is, it sounds like a step that needed to be taken and I'm sure that the staff at the zoo are incredibly disappointed about the outcome.
[quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: Terribly sad that two had to be killed. Were they really likely to cause damage in the few minutes it would take to tranqualise them? Someone needs to be held responsible for the safety of these beautiful creatures.[/p][/quote]Why are we all so quick to pass blame? You don't know the circumstances surrounding this escape so why make that kind of statement? What do you mean that somebody needs to be held responsible? Wait until the zoo releases a statement first. It may not have been human error. Zoo keepers and staff are trained to deal with these situations and would have had the safety of themselves and others outside of the zoo at the forefront of their minds. Sad as it is, it sounds like a step that needed to be taken and I'm sure that the staff at the zoo are incredibly disappointed about the outcome. Talullahbelle

4:05pm Tue 26 Nov 13

pembury53 says...

Rachie wrote:
The Stinker Returns wrote: Terribly sad that two had to be killed. Were they really likely to cause damage in the few minutes it would take to tranqualise them? Someone needs to be held responsible for the safety of these beautiful creatures.
It strikes me as odd that they needed to shoot 2 if they're harmless to humans..... What a tragic shame :(
they didn't need to be shot....... it's just another example of the mindless politicaly correct jobsworth mentality that's applied to just about every thing these days....... it's a good job the government never got wind of it otherwise there would have been a cordon of challenger tanks set up around the zoo......
[quote][p][bold]Rachie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: Terribly sad that two had to be killed. Were they really likely to cause damage in the few minutes it would take to tranqualise them? Someone needs to be held responsible for the safety of these beautiful creatures.[/p][/quote]It strikes me as odd that they needed to shoot 2 if they're harmless to humans..... What a tragic shame :([/p][/quote]they didn't need to be shot....... it's just another example of the mindless politicaly correct jobsworth mentality that's applied to just about every thing these days....... it's a good job the government never got wind of it otherwise there would have been a cordon of challenger tanks set up around the zoo...... pembury53

4:06pm Tue 26 Nov 13

emcee says...

I too cannot see why two wolves had to be shot. This reeks of a convenience or panic shooting rather than trying to return the wolves safely.
As has been said, wolves, especially loners without a pack, can be very timid and will avoid confrontation. Only when they feel they are threatened will they become aggressive. Even when they are hungry a lone animal will probably resort to scavanging. If they do kill to eat it will rarely be anything larger than a rabbit.
There are more domesticated dogs running around our parks that would pose more of a threat that a lone wolf.
I too cannot see why two wolves had to be shot. This reeks of a convenience or panic shooting rather than trying to return the wolves safely. As has been said, wolves, especially loners without a pack, can be very timid and will avoid confrontation. Only when they feel they are threatened will they become aggressive. Even when they are hungry a lone animal will probably resort to scavanging. If they do kill to eat it will rarely be anything larger than a rabbit. There are more domesticated dogs running around our parks that would pose more of a threat that a lone wolf. emcee

4:11pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Sarah_Jane says...

I don't understand why two wolves needed to be shot, why could they not be shot with a tranquilliser dart?
Surely if it takes 15 minutes for it to kick in, then it wouldn't take long to catch up with them after they have passed out. Its not their fault they just want to explore...
I don't understand why two wolves needed to be shot, why could they not be shot with a tranquilliser dart? Surely if it takes 15 minutes for it to kick in, then it wouldn't take long to catch up with them after they have passed out. Its not their fault they just want to explore... Sarah_Jane

4:17pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Talullahbelle says...

It is sad that 2 of the wolves were shot, very sad. I love to go and see the wolves at Colchester Zoo and it's a shame that this had to happen. But can you really say in all certainty that one of these wolves would not have attacked somebody if approached? I think you also need to consider that there is a busy road outside of the zoo and that there could have been an accident that not only endangered human life but which could have resulted in a very painful death for these animals.
It is sad that 2 of the wolves were shot, very sad. I love to go and see the wolves at Colchester Zoo and it's a shame that this had to happen. But can you really say in all certainty that one of these wolves would not have attacked somebody if approached? I think you also need to consider that there is a busy road outside of the zoo and that there could have been an accident that not only endangered human life but which could have resulted in a very painful death for these animals. Talullahbelle

4:20pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Ritchie_Hicks says...

pinkteapot wrote:
I'm confused by one thing... The wolf enclosure is in the middle of the zoo - they're not alongside a perimeter fence. They must have escaped their enclosure and then run through the zoo and managed to get out of a perimeter fence as well? Or is it just that they're in undergrowth at the zoo itself?
No. The wolf enclosure is close to the fence bordering the carpark. Area 19 on the map.

Which happens to be right next to an emergency exit.
[quote][p][bold]pinkteapot[/bold] wrote: I'm confused by one thing... The wolf enclosure is in the middle of the zoo - they're not alongside a perimeter fence. They must have escaped their enclosure and then run through the zoo and managed to get out of a perimeter fence as well? Or is it just that they're in undergrowth at the zoo itself?[/p][/quote]No. The wolf enclosure is close to the fence bordering the carpark. Area 19 on the map. Which happens to be right next to an emergency exit. Ritchie_Hicks

4:26pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Phoenix.Tears says...

They are wild animals, they are kept in a zoo enclosure for a reason, any wild animal under threat or fear has the potential to do harm. I don't want to see any animal harmed but the potential of harm to people or worse children has to come first. Those who criticise shooting the poor animals would also criticise if they didn't shoot and someone was hurt. no win situation. Wait til the full story comes out on how they escaped and why they had to be shot before judging.
They are wild animals, they are kept in a zoo enclosure for a reason, any wild animal under threat or fear has the potential to do harm. I don't want to see any animal harmed but the potential of harm to people or worse children has to come first. Those who criticise shooting the poor animals would also criticise if they didn't shoot and someone was hurt. no win situation. Wait til the full story comes out on how they escaped and why they had to be shot before judging. Phoenix.Tears

4:32pm Tue 26 Nov 13

brooks says...

I do not understand why there are not nets or something available to enable the capture of these animals thereby stopping the killing of them. Why is there not some procedures already in place that the zoo can implement when this kind of thing occurs? what if it had been a wild cat or two?? something is not right when this kind of thing can happen. I feel for the animals. They should not be in zoos in the first place!!!
I do not understand why there are not nets or something available to enable the capture of these animals thereby stopping the killing of them. Why is there not some procedures already in place that the zoo can implement when this kind of thing occurs? what if it had been a wild cat or two?? something is not right when this kind of thing can happen. I feel for the animals. They should not be in zoos in the first place!!! brooks

4:37pm Tue 26 Nov 13

emcee says...

Three dead wolves. Really sad. I really do hope it was absolutely necessary because I will take some convincing.
Three dead wolves. Really sad. I really do hope it was absolutely necessary because I will take some convincing. emcee

4:37pm Tue 26 Nov 13

crazy comments says...

So sad to hear of any animal being killed.
So sad to hear of any animal being killed. crazy comments

4:42pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Lucie2013 says...

And they couldn't have just shot them with a tranquiliser dart rather than shoot them dead?! Bloody disgusting behaviour!
And they couldn't have just shot them with a tranquiliser dart rather than shoot them dead?! Bloody disgusting behaviour! Lucie2013

4:43pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Ontheball says...

Well done to the useless Essex police and over-the-top end to the lives of animals that could and should have been darted.
Well done to the useless Essex police and over-the-top end to the lives of animals that could and should have been darted. Ontheball

4:44pm Tue 26 Nov 13

emcee says...

brooks wrote:
I do not understand why there are not nets or something available to enable the capture of these animals thereby stopping the killing of them. Why is there not some procedures already in place that the zoo can implement when this kind of thing occurs? what if it had been a wild cat or two?? something is not right when this kind of thing can happen. I feel for the animals. They should not be in zoos in the first place!!!
Sometimes zoos are a necessary evil (for want of a better phrase). For reasons of education for a start and, in many cases, conservation. In fact, were it not for zoos and their captive breeding programs some species may now be extinct or very nearly so. Not all zoos are, therefore, bad places. It is the uncaring and squalid zoos of this world that should be closed.
[quote][p][bold]brooks[/bold] wrote: I do not understand why there are not nets or something available to enable the capture of these animals thereby stopping the killing of them. Why is there not some procedures already in place that the zoo can implement when this kind of thing occurs? what if it had been a wild cat or two?? something is not right when this kind of thing can happen. I feel for the animals. They should not be in zoos in the first place!!![/p][/quote]Sometimes zoos are a necessary evil (for want of a better phrase). For reasons of education for a start and, in many cases, conservation. In fact, were it not for zoos and their captive breeding programs some species may now be extinct or very nearly so. Not all zoos are, therefore, bad places. It is the uncaring and squalid zoos of this world that should be closed. emcee

4:45pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Claire Pretty says...

So sad that three wolves had to be killed. It does make me question though a) why are the animal enclosures not secure or checked each morning?
b) why is there not a whole secure perimeter fence to the zoo?
c) what if it had been a lion or tiger!!!!!
So sad that three wolves had to be killed. It does make me question though a) why are the animal enclosures not secure or checked each morning? b) why is there not a whole secure perimeter fence to the zoo? c) what if it had been a lion or tiger!!!!! Claire Pretty

4:45pm Tue 26 Nov 13

emmaw7 says...

So Colchester Zoo had a "positive sighting" of escaped wolf reportedly cowering and frightened in undergrowth..... so why shoot it dead? And more to point, why the hell is the zoo STILL OPEN if it was loose in the grounds????? Shut the zoo and use tranquillisers or do your profits mean that much to you you'd rather shoot? Money talks eh?
So Colchester Zoo had a "positive sighting" of escaped wolf reportedly cowering and frightened in undergrowth..... so why shoot it dead? And more to point, why the hell is the zoo STILL OPEN if it was loose in the grounds????? Shut the zoo and use tranquillisers or do your profits mean that much to you you'd rather shoot? Money talks eh? emmaw7

4:45pm Tue 26 Nov 13

jojowheeler says...

:'( a terribly sad day for Colchester zoo and staff...would like to know though why if 1 wolf can be shot with a tranquilizer dart, why couldn't the other 2. Poor creatures must have been petrified in all circumstances......
:'( a terribly sad day for Colchester zoo and staff...would like to know though why if 1 wolf can be shot with a tranquilizer dart, why couldn't the other 2. Poor creatures must have been petrified in all circumstances...... jojowheeler

4:51pm Tue 26 Nov 13

SuzyCC says...

Shame on colchester zoo for shooting three beautiful wolves.

Reported cowering and frightened in the undergrowth - so they shot it?


I thought Colchester Zoo was supposed to be a conservation centre?
Shame on colchester zoo for shooting three beautiful wolves. Reported cowering and frightened in the undergrowth - so they shot it? I thought Colchester Zoo was supposed to be a conservation centre? SuzyCC

4:55pm Tue 26 Nov 13

fantasyflowers says...

I have alway's loved wolves and go to the zoo all the time to see them,i am very sad that the zoo have let this happen to kill two beautiful animal's for a human mistake is a sick day indeed.when i found all this out i sat and cried such a sad day :'(
I have alway's loved wolves and go to the zoo all the time to see them,i am very sad that the zoo have let this happen to kill two beautiful animal's for a human mistake is a sick day indeed.when i found all this out i sat and cried such a sad day :'( fantasyflowers

5:08pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Ritchie_Hicks says...

The zoo was still open but the bottom half was closed? So they didn't know where it was, but opened the zoo anyway? Odd.

Sad. 3 beautiful animals shot dead, probably because some fool didn't follow procedures correctly. A real shame.
The zoo was still open but the bottom half was closed? So they didn't know where it was, but opened the zoo anyway? Odd. Sad. 3 beautiful animals shot dead, probably because some fool didn't follow procedures correctly. A real shame. Ritchie_Hicks

5:11pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Sunshine-unicorn says...

emmaw7 wrote:
So Colchester Zoo had a "positive sighting" of escaped wolf reportedly cowering and frightened in undergrowth..... so why shoot it dead? And more to point, why the hell is the zoo STILL OPEN if it was loose in the grounds????? Shut the zoo and use tranquillisers or do your profits mean that much to you you'd rather shoot? Money talks eh?
Exactly!! They think of money first!! It's all So sad :-( such beautiful animals , someone needs to be held responsible, in my opinion the beautiful wolves could of been darted and would be safe and sound now. I often visit the zoo and my family have an annual pass, I WILLNOT be renewing it and I hope with all my heart there is an investigation into how this tragic event happened .... Sad times RIP the beautiful wolves, the humans who cared for you have let you down :-(
[quote][p][bold]emmaw7[/bold] wrote: So Colchester Zoo had a "positive sighting" of escaped wolf reportedly cowering and frightened in undergrowth..... so why shoot it dead? And more to point, why the hell is the zoo STILL OPEN if it was loose in the grounds????? Shut the zoo and use tranquillisers or do your profits mean that much to you you'd rather shoot? Money talks eh?[/p][/quote]Exactly!! They think of money first!! It's all So sad :-( such beautiful animals , someone needs to be held responsible, in my opinion the beautiful wolves could of been darted and would be safe and sound now. I often visit the zoo and my family have an annual pass, I WILLNOT be renewing it and I hope with all my heart there is an investigation into how this tragic event happened .... Sad times RIP the beautiful wolves, the humans who cared for you have let you down :-( Sunshine-unicorn

5:11pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Sunshine-unicorn says...

emmaw7 wrote:
So Colchester Zoo had a "positive sighting" of escaped wolf reportedly cowering and frightened in undergrowth..... so why shoot it dead? And more to point, why the hell is the zoo STILL OPEN if it was loose in the grounds????? Shut the zoo and use tranquillisers or do your profits mean that much to you you'd rather shoot? Money talks eh?
Exactly!! They think of money first!! It's all So sad :-( such beautiful animals , someone needs to be held responsible, in my opinion the beautiful wolves could of been darted and would be safe and sound now. I often visit the zoo and my family have an annual pass, I WILLNOT be renewing it and I hope with all my heart there is an investigation into how this tragic event happened .... Sad times RIP the beautiful wolves, the humans who cared for you have let you down :-(
[quote][p][bold]emmaw7[/bold] wrote: So Colchester Zoo had a "positive sighting" of escaped wolf reportedly cowering and frightened in undergrowth..... so why shoot it dead? And more to point, why the hell is the zoo STILL OPEN if it was loose in the grounds????? Shut the zoo and use tranquillisers or do your profits mean that much to you you'd rather shoot? Money talks eh?[/p][/quote]Exactly!! They think of money first!! It's all So sad :-( such beautiful animals , someone needs to be held responsible, in my opinion the beautiful wolves could of been darted and would be safe and sound now. I often visit the zoo and my family have an annual pass, I WILLNOT be renewing it and I hope with all my heart there is an investigation into how this tragic event happened .... Sad times RIP the beautiful wolves, the humans who cared for you have let you down :-( Sunshine-unicorn

5:14pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Kind of appropriate local news after the weekend's telly.

Bad wolf.
Kind of appropriate local news after the weekend's telly. Bad wolf. Mail Member 4 Colchester

5:15pm Tue 26 Nov 13

brooks says...

emcee wrote:
brooks wrote:
I do not understand why there are not nets or something available to enable the capture of these animals thereby stopping the killing of them. Why is there not some procedures already in place that the zoo can implement when this kind of thing occurs? what if it had been a wild cat or two?? something is not right when this kind of thing can happen. I feel for the animals. They should not be in zoos in the first place!!!
Sometimes zoos are a necessary evil (for want of a better phrase). For reasons of education for a start and, in many cases, conservation. In fact, were it not for zoos and their captive breeding programs some species may now be extinct or very nearly so. Not all zoos are, therefore, bad places. It is the uncaring and squalid zoos of this world that should be closed.
it just breaks my heart to see animals in a zoo. It just does not seem right. What is it that the animals have done wrong to be imprisoned? We should learn how to allow them to live in their own environment. But whatever I think or say will not change anything. But I do feel that something should change the way zoos and police react to a perceived threat by escapees. With all the modern tech available there must surely have been a way to NOT kill the wolves. Maybe the only good thing that will come out of this is that lessons will be learnt and killings such as these will be averted. I have no doubt that the zoo keepers will be upset about what has happened as I believe they love the animals they care for.
[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brooks[/bold] wrote: I do not understand why there are not nets or something available to enable the capture of these animals thereby stopping the killing of them. Why is there not some procedures already in place that the zoo can implement when this kind of thing occurs? what if it had been a wild cat or two?? something is not right when this kind of thing can happen. I feel for the animals. They should not be in zoos in the first place!!![/p][/quote]Sometimes zoos are a necessary evil (for want of a better phrase). For reasons of education for a start and, in many cases, conservation. In fact, were it not for zoos and their captive breeding programs some species may now be extinct or very nearly so. Not all zoos are, therefore, bad places. It is the uncaring and squalid zoos of this world that should be closed.[/p][/quote]it just breaks my heart to see animals in a zoo. It just does not seem right. What is it that the animals have done wrong to be imprisoned? We should learn how to allow them to live in their own environment. But whatever I think or say will not change anything. But I do feel that something should change the way zoos and police react to a perceived threat by escapees. With all the modern tech available there must surely have been a way to NOT kill the wolves. Maybe the only good thing that will come out of this is that lessons will be learnt and killings such as these will be averted. I have no doubt that the zoo keepers will be upset about what has happened as I believe they love the animals they care for. brooks

5:28pm Tue 26 Nov 13

sandgronun64 says...

Claire Pretty wrote:
So sad that three wolves had to be killed. It does make me question though a) why are the animal enclosures not secure or checked each morning?
b) why is there not a whole secure perimeter fence to the zoo?
c) what if it had been a lion or tiger!!!!!
a) They might have been, we haven't had the whole story. b) The perimiter fence is mostly to keep people out - the enclosures are to keep animals in. c) If this were the case we'd be reading about (a) shot lion(s) or tiger(s)!
[quote][p][bold]Claire Pretty[/bold] wrote: So sad that three wolves had to be killed. It does make me question though a) why are the animal enclosures not secure or checked each morning? b) why is there not a whole secure perimeter fence to the zoo? c) what if it had been a lion or tiger!!!!![/p][/quote]a) They might have been, we haven't had the whole story. b) The perimiter fence is mostly to keep people out - the enclosures are to keep animals in. c) If this were the case we'd be reading about (a) shot lion(s) or tiger(s)! sandgronun64

5:29pm Tue 26 Nov 13

rosaaaa5 says...

we're all quick to point the finger and say how cruel it is for them to be shot, but how would you react face to face with a wolf? an animal which is behind glass at the zoo for a reason. Yes there was a problem on the zoo's behalf for the damaged fence, but unfortunately, these things happen. it's not the first time and it certainly won't be the last time. It's sad that they were shot, but if they'd of been tranquilized they would of been stressed and "hunting" instincts would of kicked in. ANYTHING could of happened in that 15 minutes, whether they are "friendly" creatures or not. Therefore shooting it would of been the most humane procedure to take. The zoo would of been kept open as money would of been lost, and they NEED the money now to go towards potentially new wolves or fixing the enclosure. people saying about "what if it was a lion? a tiger?" would it of been acceptable then to kill the "wild" cat? it would be EXACTLY the same as a wolf escaping no matter how it's looked at. They are in zoos for a reason, there is a barrier between animal and human for a reason. they are hunters, they dont care whether you have 2 legs, 4 legs, if you're easy enough to catch, they will kill you. Let's just all be grateful the "useless" police were good enough to let the public know of exactly what was going on!
we're all quick to point the finger and say how cruel it is for them to be shot, but how would you react face to face with a wolf? an animal which is behind glass at the zoo for a reason. Yes there was a problem on the zoo's behalf for the damaged fence, but unfortunately, these things happen. it's not the first time and it certainly won't be the last time. It's sad that they were shot, but if they'd of been tranquilized they would of been stressed and "hunting" instincts would of kicked in. ANYTHING could of happened in that 15 minutes, whether they are "friendly" creatures or not. Therefore shooting it would of been the most humane procedure to take. The zoo would of been kept open as money would of been lost, and they NEED the money now to go towards potentially new wolves or fixing the enclosure. people saying about "what if it was a lion? a tiger?" would it of been acceptable then to kill the "wild" cat? it would be EXACTLY the same as a wolf escaping no matter how it's looked at. They are in zoos for a reason, there is a barrier between animal and human for a reason. they are hunters, they dont care whether you have 2 legs, 4 legs, if you're easy enough to catch, they will kill you. Let's just all be grateful the "useless" police were good enough to let the public know of exactly what was going on! rosaaaa5

5:31pm Tue 26 Nov 13

emcee says...

At 5pm the Zoo said: "They are dangerous, wild animals, not pets, they would have posed a very real risk to the public."
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Yet the zoo previously stated there was no danger unlessthe animal was cornered (statement now conveniently removed from Echo report). Also, if they were such a danger why did they keep the zoo open.

This all stinks of someone, somewhere trying to cover their a*se for having the animals shot.
At 5pm the Zoo said: "They are dangerous, wild animals, not pets, they would have posed a very real risk to the public." - Yet the zoo previously stated there was no danger unlessthe animal was cornered (statement now conveniently removed from Echo report). Also, if they were such a danger why did they keep the zoo open. This all stinks of someone, somewhere trying to cover their a*se for having the animals shot. emcee

5:45pm Tue 26 Nov 13

ringoutwildbells says...

Did they ever catch the red river hog that escaped a few months ago?

Very sad to hear the wolves had to be shot, but can understand why; frightened wild animals can be very dangerous. As to the damaged fence; likely to be hooligans damaging other people's property with no thought to the danger to both people and the poor animals themselves.

Does anyone know where they find the last wolf? I know they were looking in Birch Park, and we had helicopters circling overhead.
Did they ever catch the red river hog that escaped a few months ago? Very sad to hear the wolves had to be shot, but can understand why; frightened wild animals can be very dangerous. As to the damaged fence; likely to be hooligans damaging other people's property with no thought to the danger to both people and the poor animals themselves. Does anyone know where they find the last wolf? I know they were looking in Birch Park, and we had helicopters circling overhead. ringoutwildbells

5:59pm Tue 26 Nov 13

chazie says...

I do feel for Colchester zoo and for the keepers but I'm just a bit confused about the zoo being open at the time when I drove past about 3:20/3:30pm the MAIN GATES were CLOSED as soon as u turn off Maldon Road
I do feel for Colchester zoo and for the keepers but I'm just a bit confused about the zoo being open at the time when I drove past about 3:20/3:30pm the MAIN GATES were CLOSED as soon as u turn off Maldon Road chazie

6:21pm Tue 26 Nov 13

super waluigi says...

It is sad that 3 had to be killed, but none of us are trained to deal with wild animals. Perhaps it was necessary to shoot them, perhaps not, but one thing is for sure.....

The zoo will be investigated and marked down accordingly, now imagine how bad the investigation would be if they mauled a child.
It is sad that 3 had to be killed, but none of us are trained to deal with wild animals. Perhaps it was necessary to shoot them, perhaps not, but one thing is for sure..... The zoo will be investigated and marked down accordingly, now imagine how bad the investigation would be if they mauled a child. super waluigi

6:36pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Say It As It Is OK? says...

SuzyCC wrote:
Shame on colchester zoo for shooting three beautiful wolves.

Reported cowering and frightened in the undergrowth - so they shot it?


I thought Colchester Zoo was supposed to be a conservation centre?
Replace the words "conservation centre" with " profit centre"!
[quote][p][bold]SuzyCC[/bold] wrote: Shame on colchester zoo for shooting three beautiful wolves. Reported cowering and frightened in the undergrowth - so they shot it? I thought Colchester Zoo was supposed to be a conservation centre?[/p][/quote]Replace the words "conservation centre" with " profit centre"! Say It As It Is OK?

6:37pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Route88 says...

Most people who visit the zoo on a fairly regular basis know that the zoo is generally well run and that a lot of money is ploughed back into it but this particular incident will take a lot of explaining by the owners.
Most people who visit the zoo on a fairly regular basis know that the zoo is generally well run and that a lot of money is ploughed back into it but this particular incident will take a lot of explaining by the owners. Route88

6:37pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Kim Gandy says...

Disgusting. Wolves once roamed this country in the wild. I think the pc brigade have taken Little Red Riding Hood a bit too much to heart. And the expense of a police helicopter too?

Surely they could all have been darted with tranquilisers. It's not their fault their enclosure was insecure. Same attitude as we get with foxes. How soon before we have people taking pot shots at them because they are "dangerous"

All animals can be potentially dangerous to some.. Look at all the dogs that have killed people and they are supposed to be housetrained.

Incompetence and ignorance all round as usual.

Would never have happened years ago but I suppose the zoo owners live in fear of the compo brigade.

Sick just sick.
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Disgusting. Wolves once roamed this country in the wild. I think the pc brigade have taken Little Red Riding Hood a bit too much to heart. And the expense of a police helicopter too? Surely they could all have been darted with tranquilisers. It's not their fault their enclosure was insecure. Same attitude as we get with foxes. How soon before we have people taking pot shots at them because they are "dangerous" All animals can be potentially dangerous to some.. Look at all the dogs that have killed people and they are supposed to be housetrained. Incompetence and ignorance all round as usual. Would never have happened years ago but I suppose the zoo owners live in fear of the compo brigade. Sick just sick. . Kim Gandy

6:39pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Mike Conroy says...

Having worked with timber wolves in North America, I am of the opinion that this was not a carefully considered decision but more of a "panic" reaction.
More about the risk of the zoo being sued than the genuine protection of the public.

For centuries, the wolf has been the "bogeyman" of the animal world mainly based on ignorance and superstition. Yes, a pack of wolves are capable of bringing down a bison or elk but a lone wolf poses very little threat to the public and will try its best to avoid contact with humans.

There would be far more fear on their part than mine. I feel sick to the pit of my stomach at this news - absolutely disgusting.
Having worked with timber wolves in North America, I am of the opinion that this was not a carefully considered decision but more of a "panic" reaction. More about the risk of the zoo being sued than the genuine protection of the public. For centuries, the wolf has been the "bogeyman" of the animal world mainly based on ignorance and superstition. Yes, a pack of wolves are capable of bringing down a bison or elk but a lone wolf poses very little threat to the public and will try its best to avoid contact with humans. There would be far more fear on their part than mine. I feel sick to the pit of my stomach at this news - absolutely disgusting. Mike Conroy

6:45pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Colonel Kurtz says...

They keep saying these animals are not dangerous to man so why the heavy handedness. No more menacing than some of the Pittbulls walking around Greenstead estate.

Colchester Zoo you overreacted!!. A nice steak would of done the job.
They keep saying these animals are not dangerous to man so why the heavy handedness. No more menacing than some of the Pittbulls walking around Greenstead estate. Colchester Zoo you overreacted!!. A nice steak would of done the job. Colonel Kurtz

6:56pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Catchedicam says...

rosaaaa5 wrote:
we're all quick to point the finger and say how cruel it is for them to be shot, but how would you react face to face with a wolf? an animal which is behind glass at the zoo for a reason. Yes there was a problem on the zoo's behalf for the damaged fence, but unfortunately, these things happen. it's not the first time and it certainly won't be the last time. It's sad that they were shot, but if they'd of been tranquilized they would of been stressed and "hunting" instincts would of kicked in. ANYTHING could of happened in that 15 minutes, whether they are "friendly" creatures or not. Therefore shooting it would of been the most humane procedure to take. The zoo would of been kept open as money would of been lost, and they NEED the money now to go towards potentially new wolves or fixing the enclosure. people saying about "what if it was a lion? a tiger?" would it of been acceptable then to kill the "wild" cat? it would be EXACTLY the same as a wolf escaping no matter how it's looked at. They are in zoos for a reason, there is a barrier between animal and human for a reason. they are hunters, they dont care whether you have 2 legs, 4 legs, if you're easy enough to catch, they will kill you. Let's just all be grateful the "useless" police were good enough to let the public know of exactly what was going on!
And wolves kill people when exactly? Attacks are extremely rare, then usually by wolves with rabies, kills of humans are virtually unrecorded. Its facile ignorant comment like this that leads to the unnecessary killing of beautiful animals.
[quote][p][bold]rosaaaa5[/bold] wrote: we're all quick to point the finger and say how cruel it is for them to be shot, but how would you react face to face with a wolf? an animal which is behind glass at the zoo for a reason. Yes there was a problem on the zoo's behalf for the damaged fence, but unfortunately, these things happen. it's not the first time and it certainly won't be the last time. It's sad that they were shot, but if they'd of been tranquilized they would of been stressed and "hunting" instincts would of kicked in. ANYTHING could of happened in that 15 minutes, whether they are "friendly" creatures or not. Therefore shooting it would of been the most humane procedure to take. The zoo would of been kept open as money would of been lost, and they NEED the money now to go towards potentially new wolves or fixing the enclosure. people saying about "what if it was a lion? a tiger?" would it of been acceptable then to kill the "wild" cat? it would be EXACTLY the same as a wolf escaping no matter how it's looked at. They are in zoos for a reason, there is a barrier between animal and human for a reason. they are hunters, they dont care whether you have 2 legs, 4 legs, if you're easy enough to catch, they will kill you. Let's just all be grateful the "useless" police were good enough to let the public know of exactly what was going on![/p][/quote]And wolves kill people when exactly? Attacks are extremely rare, then usually by wolves with rabies, kills of humans are virtually unrecorded. Its facile ignorant comment like this that leads to the unnecessary killing of beautiful animals. Catchedicam

7:08pm Tue 26 Nov 13

rosaaaa5 says...

Catchedicam wrote:
rosaaaa5 wrote:
we're all quick to point the finger and say how cruel it is for them to be shot, but how would you react face to face with a wolf? an animal which is behind glass at the zoo for a reason. Yes there was a problem on the zoo's behalf for the damaged fence, but unfortunately, these things happen. it's not the first time and it certainly won't be the last time. It's sad that they were shot, but if they'd of been tranquilized they would of been stressed and "hunting" instincts would of kicked in. ANYTHING could of happened in that 15 minutes, whether they are "friendly" creatures or not. Therefore shooting it would of been the most humane procedure to take. The zoo would of been kept open as money would of been lost, and they NEED the money now to go towards potentially new wolves or fixing the enclosure. people saying about "what if it was a lion? a tiger?" would it of been acceptable then to kill the "wild" cat? it would be EXACTLY the same as a wolf escaping no matter how it's looked at. They are in zoos for a reason, there is a barrier between animal and human for a reason. they are hunters, they dont care whether you have 2 legs, 4 legs, if you're easy enough to catch, they will kill you. Let's just all be grateful the "useless" police were good enough to let the public know of exactly what was going on!
And wolves kill people when exactly? Attacks are extremely rare, then usually by wolves with rabies, kills of humans are virtually unrecorded. Its facile ignorant comment like this that leads to the unnecessary killing of beautiful animals.
i wouldn't know when wolves have killed people, i don't live in a country where wolves are roaming around free. However, nobody knows how a wolf, which has been in a zoo for most of its life, will react to humans after being kept in an enclosure for most of it's life. it's completely out of anybodys hands. If people were all up for it not being shot, then maybe they should of all gone and helped to rescue the animal and see how that ended up?
[quote][p][bold]Catchedicam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rosaaaa5[/bold] wrote: we're all quick to point the finger and say how cruel it is for them to be shot, but how would you react face to face with a wolf? an animal which is behind glass at the zoo for a reason. Yes there was a problem on the zoo's behalf for the damaged fence, but unfortunately, these things happen. it's not the first time and it certainly won't be the last time. It's sad that they were shot, but if they'd of been tranquilized they would of been stressed and "hunting" instincts would of kicked in. ANYTHING could of happened in that 15 minutes, whether they are "friendly" creatures or not. Therefore shooting it would of been the most humane procedure to take. The zoo would of been kept open as money would of been lost, and they NEED the money now to go towards potentially new wolves or fixing the enclosure. people saying about "what if it was a lion? a tiger?" would it of been acceptable then to kill the "wild" cat? it would be EXACTLY the same as a wolf escaping no matter how it's looked at. They are in zoos for a reason, there is a barrier between animal and human for a reason. they are hunters, they dont care whether you have 2 legs, 4 legs, if you're easy enough to catch, they will kill you. Let's just all be grateful the "useless" police were good enough to let the public know of exactly what was going on![/p][/quote]And wolves kill people when exactly? Attacks are extremely rare, then usually by wolves with rabies, kills of humans are virtually unrecorded. Its facile ignorant comment like this that leads to the unnecessary killing of beautiful animals.[/p][/quote]i wouldn't know when wolves have killed people, i don't live in a country where wolves are roaming around free. However, nobody knows how a wolf, which has been in a zoo for most of its life, will react to humans after being kept in an enclosure for most of it's life. it's completely out of anybodys hands. If people were all up for it not being shot, then maybe they should of all gone and helped to rescue the animal and see how that ended up? rosaaaa5

7:26pm Tue 26 Nov 13

CHRISTMAS CAROL says...

colchester zoo should sack the person responsible for checking the fences. Care more about making money in the gift shop than the animals. I certainly wont be going there anymore and nor will I be giving them any money. Staff are too young and not responsible enough.
colchester zoo should sack the person responsible for checking the fences. Care more about making money in the gift shop than the animals. I certainly wont be going there anymore and nor will I be giving them any money. Staff are too young and not responsible enough. CHRISTMAS CAROL

8:09pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Boris says...

CHRISTMAS CAROL wrote:
colchester zoo should sack the person responsible for checking the fences. Care more about making money in the gift shop than the animals. I certainly wont be going there anymore and nor will I be giving them any money. Staff are too young and not responsible enough.
The zoo statement says the fences are checked every day, and the gap in this fence was discovered at 7.30 am. Have you considered that somebody might have got in there overnight with wire cutters and made the hole? There are extreme anti-zoo campaigners out there, and this is the kind of thing they might do.
As for staff at the zoo being too young and not responsible enough, try talking to a few of them. The wages are probably too low to attract someone with family responsibilities, so of course they have to rely heavily on young people who want to work with animals. I'd say they do a great job, which they take seriously, and we should be grateful for their efforts.
[quote][p][bold]CHRISTMAS CAROL[/bold] wrote: colchester zoo should sack the person responsible for checking the fences. Care more about making money in the gift shop than the animals. I certainly wont be going there anymore and nor will I be giving them any money. Staff are too young and not responsible enough.[/p][/quote]The zoo statement says the fences are checked every day, and the gap in this fence was discovered at 7.30 am. Have you considered that somebody might have got in there overnight with wire cutters and made the hole? There are extreme anti-zoo campaigners out there, and this is the kind of thing they might do. As for staff at the zoo being too young and not responsible enough, try talking to a few of them. The wages are probably too low to attract someone with family responsibilities, so of course they have to rely heavily on young people who want to work with animals. I'd say they do a great job, which they take seriously, and we should be grateful for their efforts. Boris

9:26pm Tue 26 Nov 13

Discouraged says...

Zoos are just prisons for the innocent and it is sad that two beautiful animals are dead. When will we learn to leave animals alone in their own environment and give space to other species.
Zoos are just prisons for the innocent and it is sad that two beautiful animals are dead. When will we learn to leave animals alone in their own environment and give space to other species. Discouraged

9:33pm Tue 26 Nov 13

AL5678 says...

It is sad to hear that wolves had to die, the staff who looked after them must be so upset by ths loss it is sad to hear so any negative comments about them. They work with animals because they love them - I hope they dont read these horrid comments as Im sure they will be hurting enough already
It is sad to hear that wolves had to die, the staff who looked after them must be so upset by ths loss it is sad to hear so any negative comments about them. They work with animals because they love them - I hope they dont read these horrid comments as Im sure they will be hurting enough already AL5678

10:20pm Tue 26 Nov 13

InTheKnowOk says...

Can't understand why they weren't darted? fair enough shoot them if they were attacking someone, but killing them if they were not a threat is wrong.
Can't understand why they weren't darted? fair enough shoot them if they were attacking someone, but killing them if they were not a threat is wrong. InTheKnowOk

12:42am Wed 27 Nov 13

Mind your own business says...

Animal rights activists released the Wolves and now they are dead looks like that decision backfired idiots.
Animal rights activists released the Wolves and now they are dead looks like that decision backfired idiots. Mind your own business

12:58am Wed 27 Nov 13

Mind your own business says...

Looks like sneaky Colchester Zoo tried to keep this one quiet, the wolves escaped at 7:30 AM and they didn't warn local residents until 1:30 PM people walking their dogs behind the zoo have been killed or maimed they could of entered local properties schools anything could have happened, let's not forget that this isn't the first time animals have escaped from zoo security really needs to be looked at before someone gets killed.
Looks like sneaky Colchester Zoo tried to keep this one quiet, the wolves escaped at 7:30 AM and they didn't warn local residents until 1:30 PM people walking their dogs behind the zoo have been killed or maimed they could of entered local properties schools anything could have happened, let's not forget that this isn't the first time animals have escaped from zoo security really needs to be looked at before someone gets killed. Mind your own business

1:28am Wed 27 Nov 13

/@|_|@\ says...

Too (way too) many people anthropomorphise animals. Wolves, although canines, are NOT like your domesticated pets: nor are they endangered. If you would show as much attention to child molestation and abduction, your perspective might change. Were to learn the facts (which you likely wont get here) then the time it takes for a "dart" to take effect is INeffectual when it comes down to a wolf attacking a human. Sad though it may be, please, you (alll) should step back and think about this. There are wolves a-plenty (resurgent) and they must NEVER be thought of as simply "dogs" gone wild. They are (no longer) native to Essex and should never be again.

On the other hand ...
Too (way too) many people anthropomorphise animals. Wolves, although canines, are NOT like your domesticated pets: nor are they endangered. If you would show as much attention to child molestation and abduction, your perspective might change. Were to learn the facts (which you likely wont get here) then the time it takes for a "dart" to take effect is INeffectual when it comes down to a wolf attacking a human. Sad though it may be, please, you (alll) should step back and think about this. There are wolves a-plenty (resurgent) and they must NEVER be thought of as simply "dogs" gone wild. They are (no longer) native to Essex and should never be again. On the other hand ... /@|_|@\

6:17am Wed 27 Nov 13

Pageone says...

Back in the summer I had to report the vulture from the bird display flying and landing in the wolves enclosure, the wolves were having a sniff of the vulture but did not kill it, when the zoo keepers arrived about 3 went right into their cage and ran off, they didnt try and attack they moved away
Shooting the 3 wolves was totally unnecessary, it's very sad
Back in the summer I had to report the vulture from the bird display flying and landing in the wolves enclosure, the wolves were having a sniff of the vulture but did not kill it, when the zoo keepers arrived about 3 went right into their cage and ran off, they didnt try and attack they moved away Shooting the 3 wolves was totally unnecessary, it's very sad Pageone

7:56am Wed 27 Nov 13

Bhudeeka says...

Surely they could have just dart guns to drug them and take them back
Surely they could have just dart guns to drug them and take them back Bhudeeka

8:19am Wed 27 Nov 13

pembury53 says...

rosaaaa5 wrote:
Catchedicam wrote:
rosaaaa5 wrote: we're all quick to point the finger and say how cruel it is for them to be shot, but how would you react face to face with a wolf? an animal which is behind glass at the zoo for a reason. Yes there was a problem on the zoo's behalf for the damaged fence, but unfortunately, these things happen. it's not the first time and it certainly won't be the last time. It's sad that they were shot, but if they'd of been tranquilized they would of been stressed and "hunting" instincts would of kicked in. ANYTHING could of happened in that 15 minutes, whether they are "friendly" creatures or not. Therefore shooting it would of been the most humane procedure to take. The zoo would of been kept open as money would of been lost, and they NEED the money now to go towards potentially new wolves or fixing the enclosure. people saying about "what if it was a lion? a tiger?" would it of been acceptable then to kill the "wild" cat? it would be EXACTLY the same as a wolf escaping no matter how it's looked at. They are in zoos for a reason, there is a barrier between animal and human for a reason. they are hunters, they dont care whether you have 2 legs, 4 legs, if you're easy enough to catch, they will kill you. Let's just all be grateful the "useless" police were good enough to let the public know of exactly what was going on!
And wolves kill people when exactly? Attacks are extremely rare, then usually by wolves with rabies, kills of humans are virtually unrecorded. Its facile ignorant comment like this that leads to the unnecessary killing of beautiful animals.
i wouldn't know when wolves have killed people, i don't live in a country where wolves are roaming around free. However, nobody knows how a wolf, which has been in a zoo for most of its life, will react to humans after being kept in an enclosure for most of it's life. it's completely out of anybodys hands. If people were all up for it not being shot, then maybe they should of all gone and helped to rescue the animal and see how that ended up?
wolves used to roam around free in this country and there is talk of reintroduction as they are basically harmless....... beavers are 'wild animals' that could remove your entire hand with a single bite, and are being reintroduced........
. people roam around freely with dogs that have been selectively bred over centuries (from wolves) to kill bears and bulls and are infinately more dangerous to humans than a wolf ever could be, several thousand attacks every year, people killed and maimed and scant little done about it because the government don't want to offend too many dog lovers ! please try living in the real world......
[quote][p][bold]rosaaaa5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Catchedicam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rosaaaa5[/bold] wrote: we're all quick to point the finger and say how cruel it is for them to be shot, but how would you react face to face with a wolf? an animal which is behind glass at the zoo for a reason. Yes there was a problem on the zoo's behalf for the damaged fence, but unfortunately, these things happen. it's not the first time and it certainly won't be the last time. It's sad that they were shot, but if they'd of been tranquilized they would of been stressed and "hunting" instincts would of kicked in. ANYTHING could of happened in that 15 minutes, whether they are "friendly" creatures or not. Therefore shooting it would of been the most humane procedure to take. The zoo would of been kept open as money would of been lost, and they NEED the money now to go towards potentially new wolves or fixing the enclosure. people saying about "what if it was a lion? a tiger?" would it of been acceptable then to kill the "wild" cat? it would be EXACTLY the same as a wolf escaping no matter how it's looked at. They are in zoos for a reason, there is a barrier between animal and human for a reason. they are hunters, they dont care whether you have 2 legs, 4 legs, if you're easy enough to catch, they will kill you. Let's just all be grateful the "useless" police were good enough to let the public know of exactly what was going on![/p][/quote]And wolves kill people when exactly? Attacks are extremely rare, then usually by wolves with rabies, kills of humans are virtually unrecorded. Its facile ignorant comment like this that leads to the unnecessary killing of beautiful animals.[/p][/quote]i wouldn't know when wolves have killed people, i don't live in a country where wolves are roaming around free. However, nobody knows how a wolf, which has been in a zoo for most of its life, will react to humans after being kept in an enclosure for most of it's life. it's completely out of anybodys hands. If people were all up for it not being shot, then maybe they should of all gone and helped to rescue the animal and see how that ended up?[/p][/quote]wolves used to roam around free in this country and there is talk of reintroduction as they are basically harmless....... beavers are 'wild animals' that could remove your entire hand with a single bite, and are being reintroduced........ . people roam around freely with dogs that have been selectively bred over centuries (from wolves) to kill bears and bulls and are infinately more dangerous to humans than a wolf ever could be, several thousand attacks every year, people killed and maimed and scant little done about it because the government don't want to offend too many dog lovers ! please try living in the real world...... pembury53

9:43am Wed 27 Nov 13

Spirit13 says...

Can I please start my statement by saying that I am not a Wolf expert as many on here seem to be. It is a terrible shame when any animal is killed i.e. the thousand of game birds that are blasted out of the sky for no other reason other than in the name of sport. Most of them are bulldozed into the ground and not used for food. I see the most feared predetor on the planet did their bit yesterday, no, not the Wolves, the Humans. It was only the other week that people were stating that our Deer herds are now out of control and causing so much damage. Well, we obliterated our natural predetor who would have taken care of this - the Wolf. As for the statement on here that "humans could be seen as food" I disagree 100%. These animals would view Humans as the "bringer of food" and I believe may well have reacted to a piece of drugged meat. One of the animals was "cowering" in the undergrowth. It was terrified so wasn't going to go anywhere surely. A kind Human throwing it a piece of meat should have been effective surely? As I said at the beginning, I am no expert in the subject of Wolves but am very aware of the spiritual power of the Wolf hence why I have one tattoed on my arm. They are beautiful creatures not monsters. If you want to see real monsters go to some nightclubs and watch the superior human vomitting, fighting, savaging in the street. Perhaps we could encourage them to "cower in the undergrowth" and then shoot them. Now there's a thought.
Can I please start my statement by saying that I am not a Wolf expert as many on here seem to be. It is a terrible shame when any animal is killed i.e. the thousand of game birds that are blasted out of the sky for no other reason other than in the name of sport. Most of them are bulldozed into the ground and not used for food. I see the most feared predetor on the planet did their bit yesterday, no, not the Wolves, the Humans. It was only the other week that people were stating that our Deer herds are now out of control and causing so much damage. Well, we obliterated our natural predetor who would have taken care of this - the Wolf. As for the statement on here that "humans could be seen as food" I disagree 100%. These animals would view Humans as the "bringer of food" and I believe may well have reacted to a piece of drugged meat. One of the animals was "cowering" in the undergrowth. It was terrified so wasn't going to go anywhere surely. A kind Human throwing it a piece of meat should have been effective surely? As I said at the beginning, I am no expert in the subject of Wolves but am very aware of the spiritual power of the Wolf hence why I have one tattoed on my arm. They are beautiful creatures not monsters. If you want to see real monsters go to some nightclubs and watch the superior human vomitting, fighting, savaging in the street. Perhaps we could encourage them to "cower in the undergrowth" and then shoot them. Now there's a thought. Spirit13

10:13am Wed 27 Nov 13

PetePassword says...

rosaaaa5 wrote:
we're all quick to point the finger and say how cruel it is for them to be shot, but how would you react face to face with a wolf? an animal which is behind glass at the zoo for a reason. Yes there was a problem on the zoo's behalf for the damaged fence, but unfortunately, these things happen. it's not the first time and it certainly won't be the last time. It's sad that they were shot, but if they'd of been tranquilized they would of been stressed and "huntingYour ignorance about wolves is clear. Wolves don't attack humans, especially the ludicrous ' they are hunters, they dont care whether you have 2 legs, 4 legs, if you're easy enough to catch, they will kill you' been reading Little Red Riding Hood have you? I suggest you try educating yourself about wolves before shooting your mouth off in this stupid, ignorant fashion.
[quote][p][bold]rosaaaa5[/bold] wrote: we're all quick to point the finger and say how cruel it is for them to be shot, but how would you react face to face with a wolf? an animal which is behind glass at the zoo for a reason. Yes there was a problem on the zoo's behalf for the damaged fence, but unfortunately, these things happen. it's not the first time and it certainly won't be the last time. It's sad that they were shot, but if they'd of been tranquilized they would of been stressed and "huntingYour ignorance about wolves is clear. Wolves don't attack humans, especially the ludicrous ' they are hunters, they dont care whether you have 2 legs, 4 legs, if you're easy enough to catch, they will kill you' been reading Little Red Riding Hood have you? I suggest you try educating yourself about wolves before shooting your mouth off in this stupid, ignorant fashion. PetePassword

10:23am Wed 27 Nov 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Disgusting. Wolves once roamed this country in the wild. I think the pc brigade have taken Little Red Riding Hood a bit too much to heart. And the expense of a police helicopter too?

Surely they could all have been darted with tranquilisers. It's not their fault their enclosure was insecure. Same attitude as we get with foxes. How soon before we have people taking pot shots at them because they are "dangerous"

All animals can be potentially dangerous to some.. Look at all the dogs that have killed people and they are supposed to be housetrained.

Incompetence and ignorance all round as usual.

Would never have happened years ago but I suppose the zoo owners live in fear of the compo brigade.

Sick just sick.
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Oh wow, I wish I had thought of that, but of course you're right, Kim, it's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is. I've sort of always seen the PC brigade as a bunch of bunny lovers and tree huggers prone to vegetarianism, and not even in my widest imagination could I have made the connection. But now that I think about it, the zoo are probably employing Rumanian travellers as wolf keepers, and the hole in the fence was almost certainly made by gay, Islamist, asylum seeking, terrorists. Thanks Kim, I knew only somebody so racist they were thrown out of UKIP, could shake me out of stupor.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Disgusting. Wolves once roamed this country in the wild. I think the pc brigade have taken Little Red Riding Hood a bit too much to heart. And the expense of a police helicopter too? Surely they could all have been darted with tranquilisers. It's not their fault their enclosure was insecure. Same attitude as we get with foxes. How soon before we have people taking pot shots at them because they are "dangerous" All animals can be potentially dangerous to some.. Look at all the dogs that have killed people and they are supposed to be housetrained. Incompetence and ignorance all round as usual. Would never have happened years ago but I suppose the zoo owners live in fear of the compo brigade. Sick just sick. .[/p][/quote]Oh wow, I wish I had thought of that, but of course you're right, Kim, it's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is. I've sort of always seen the PC brigade as a bunch of bunny lovers and tree huggers prone to vegetarianism, and not even in my widest imagination could I have made the connection. But now that I think about it, the zoo are probably employing Rumanian travellers as wolf keepers, and the hole in the fence was almost certainly made by gay, Islamist, asylum seeking, terrorists. Thanks Kim, I knew only somebody so racist they were thrown out of UKIP, could shake me out of stupor. Mail Member 4 Colchester

12:13pm Wed 27 Nov 13

PetePassword says...

/@|_|@\ wrote:
Too (way too) many people anthropomorphise animals. Wolves, although canines, are NOT like your domesticated pets: nor are they endangered. If you would show as much attention to child molestation and abduction, your perspective might change. Were to learn the facts (which you likely wont get here) then the time it takes for a "dart" to take effect is INeffectual when it comes down to a wolf attacking a human. Sad though it may be, please, you (alll) should step back and think about this. There are wolves a-plenty (resurgent) and they must NEVER be thought of as simply "dogs" gone wild. They are (no longer) native to Essex and should never be again.

On the other hand ...
Way too many people come out with garbage like that from ignorance. No one is anthropomorphising, they all seem to be able to understand the wolf, which you clearly don't. There are not 'wolves aplenty' they have been destroyed all over the planet and many areas have none, like the UK, which should reintroduce them to control wild deer numbers. They are canids, dogs are canids, wolves aren't 'dogs gone wild' as you seem to assume their defenders think They should be wild in Essex as long as there are woods and deet, their natural prey. They don't attack humans, even when in large numbers as in Eastern Europpe and Canada. I wonder why naturalists don't shoot lions and other large predators dead rather than this darting which you claim is dangerous. Your argument is spurious.
[quote][p][bold]/@|_|@\[/bold] wrote: Too (way too) many people anthropomorphise animals. Wolves, although canines, are NOT like your domesticated pets: nor are they endangered. If you would show as much attention to child molestation and abduction, your perspective might change. Were to learn the facts (which you likely wont get here) then the time it takes for a "dart" to take effect is INeffectual when it comes down to a wolf attacking a human. Sad though it may be, please, you (alll) should step back and think about this. There are wolves a-plenty (resurgent) and they must NEVER be thought of as simply "dogs" gone wild. They are (no longer) native to Essex and should never be again. On the other hand ...[/p][/quote]Way too many people come out with garbage like that from ignorance. No one is anthropomorphising, they all seem to be able to understand the wolf, which you clearly don't. There are not 'wolves aplenty' they have been destroyed all over the planet and many areas have none, like the UK, which should reintroduce them to control wild deer numbers. They are canids, dogs are canids, wolves aren't 'dogs gone wild' as you seem to assume their defenders think [based on nothing] They should be wild in Essex as long as there are woods and deet, their natural prey. They don't attack humans, even when in large numbers as in Eastern Europpe and Canada. I wonder why naturalists don't shoot lions and other large predators dead rather than this darting which you claim is dangerous. Your argument is spurious. PetePassword

12:19pm Wed 27 Nov 13

Walt Jabsco says...

Catchedicam wrote:
rosaaaa5 wrote:
we're all quick to point the finger and say how cruel it is for them to be shot, but how would you react face to face with a wolf? an animal which is behind glass at the zoo for a reason. Yes there was a problem on the zoo's behalf for the damaged fence, but unfortunately, these things happen. it's not the first time and it certainly won't be the last time. It's sad that they were shot, but if they'd of been tranquilized they would of been stressed and "hunting" instincts would of kicked in. ANYTHING could of happened in that 15 minutes, whether they are "friendly" creatures or not. Therefore shooting it would of been the most humane procedure to take. The zoo would of been kept open as money would of been lost, and they NEED the money now to go towards potentially new wolves or fixing the enclosure. people saying about "what if it was a lion? a tiger?" would it of been acceptable then to kill the "wild" cat? it would be EXACTLY the same as a wolf escaping no matter how it's looked at. They are in zoos for a reason, there is a barrier between animal and human for a reason. they are hunters, they dont care whether you have 2 legs, 4 legs, if you're easy enough to catch, they will kill you. Let's just all be grateful the "useless" police were good enough to let the public know of exactly what was going on!
And wolves kill people when exactly? Attacks are extremely rare, then usually by wolves with rabies, kills of humans are virtually unrecorded. Its facile ignorant comment like this that leads to the unnecessary killing of beautiful animals.
Here Here! Sorry Rosa but its a Very ignorant comment and smells to me of someone who believes we have the god given right to either exterminate all animals or keep whatevers left in a pen. As for 'hunting' instinct??? surely you mean fight or flight instinct?? Biggest threat to the animal kingdom - humans.
[quote][p][bold]Catchedicam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rosaaaa5[/bold] wrote: we're all quick to point the finger and say how cruel it is for them to be shot, but how would you react face to face with a wolf? an animal which is behind glass at the zoo for a reason. Yes there was a problem on the zoo's behalf for the damaged fence, but unfortunately, these things happen. it's not the first time and it certainly won't be the last time. It's sad that they were shot, but if they'd of been tranquilized they would of been stressed and "hunting" instincts would of kicked in. ANYTHING could of happened in that 15 minutes, whether they are "friendly" creatures or not. Therefore shooting it would of been the most humane procedure to take. The zoo would of been kept open as money would of been lost, and they NEED the money now to go towards potentially new wolves or fixing the enclosure. people saying about "what if it was a lion? a tiger?" would it of been acceptable then to kill the "wild" cat? it would be EXACTLY the same as a wolf escaping no matter how it's looked at. They are in zoos for a reason, there is a barrier between animal and human for a reason. they are hunters, they dont care whether you have 2 legs, 4 legs, if you're easy enough to catch, they will kill you. Let's just all be grateful the "useless" police were good enough to let the public know of exactly what was going on![/p][/quote]And wolves kill people when exactly? Attacks are extremely rare, then usually by wolves with rabies, kills of humans are virtually unrecorded. Its facile ignorant comment like this that leads to the unnecessary killing of beautiful animals.[/p][/quote]Here Here! Sorry Rosa but its a Very ignorant comment and smells to me of someone who believes we have the god given right to either exterminate all animals or keep whatevers left in a pen. As for 'hunting' instinct??? surely you mean fight or flight instinct?? Biggest threat to the animal kingdom - humans. Walt Jabsco

12:38pm Wed 27 Nov 13

PetePassword says...

Mind your own business wrote:
Looks like sneaky Colchester Zoo tried to keep this one quiet, the wolves escaped at 7:30 AM and they didn't warn local residents until 1:30 PM people walking their dogs behind the zoo have been killed or maimed they could of entered local properties schools anything could have happened, let's not forget that this isn't the first time animals have escaped from zoo security really needs to be looked at before someone gets killed.
'people walking their dogs behind the zoo have been killed or maimed' Do what? Care to produce proof of this ludicrous statement? 'they could of entered local properties schools anything could have happened' no, they were cowering under bushes, scared of the crazed psychopathic apes looking to murder them.
This zoo should be closed. The creep who was supposed to be looking after their welfare, lied to cover his own back, spreading all the old nonsense that's been proved wrong countless times. He is clearly not fit for the job and should be sacked and not allowed near any animals again. It was he who said people should stay indoors, he is responsible. The remaining wolves should be immediately sent to a wolf sanctuary, there are several in the UK, where they may eventually recover from the trauma of losing their family.
[quote][p][bold]Mind your own business[/bold] wrote: Looks like sneaky Colchester Zoo tried to keep this one quiet, the wolves escaped at 7:30 AM and they didn't warn local residents until 1:30 PM people walking their dogs behind the zoo have been killed or maimed they could of entered local properties schools anything could have happened, let's not forget that this isn't the first time animals have escaped from zoo security really needs to be looked at before someone gets killed.[/p][/quote]'people walking their dogs behind the zoo have been killed or maimed' Do what? Care to produce proof of this ludicrous statement? 'they could of [sic] entered local properties schools anything could have happened' no, they were cowering under bushes, scared of the crazed psychopathic apes looking to murder them. This zoo should be closed. The creep who was supposed to be looking after their welfare, lied to cover his own back, spreading all the old nonsense that's been proved wrong countless times. He is clearly not fit for the job and should be sacked and not allowed near any animals again. It was he who said people should stay indoors, he is responsible. The remaining wolves should be immediately sent to a wolf sanctuary, there are several in the UK, where they may eventually recover from the trauma of losing their family. PetePassword

2:18pm Wed 27 Nov 13

Spirit13 says...

I see this is going to go on and on and not everyone is going to agree. The comments have gone from factual to fantasy to plain ridiculous. I am not a lefty, or any other "box" that you could put me into except I am a Pagan so no doubt there will be burning crosses appear very soon, but I am a lover of all life whatever it is and realise that all life is precious. I don't mean to bang on about this but someone kills 1, 2, or more people and they are locked up for a few years and then intergrated back into society. The Wolves MAY (unlikely) have harmed someone so lets be kind and kill them. Doing our bit for society. Not an expert, just someone with a true love for life.
I see this is going to go on and on and not everyone is going to agree. The comments have gone from factual to fantasy to plain ridiculous. I am not a lefty, or any other "box" that you could put me into except I am a Pagan so no doubt there will be burning crosses appear very soon, but I am a lover of all life whatever it is and realise that all life is precious. I don't mean to bang on about this but someone kills 1, 2, or more people and they are locked up for a few years and then intergrated back into society. The Wolves MAY (unlikely) have harmed someone so lets be kind and kill them. Doing our bit for society. Not an expert, just someone with a true love for life. Spirit13

2:22pm Wed 27 Nov 13

the undertaker says...

will be interesting what is said if it is proved someone cut a hole in the fence for the wolves to escape
will be interesting what is said if it is proved someone cut a hole in the fence for the wolves to escape the undertaker

4:06pm Wed 27 Nov 13

emmaw7 says...

I find it extrememly worrying that the Zoo remined open for business whilst all this was going on and told visitors that there was a medical emergency (see BBC News report today), not that animals had got loose! Profits more important than animal or public welfare? This is the true reason why these animals were shot!
I find it extrememly worrying that the Zoo remined open for business whilst all this was going on and told visitors that there was a medical emergency (see BBC News report today), not that animals had got loose! Profits more important than animal or public welfare? This is the true reason why these animals were shot! emmaw7

5:32pm Wed 27 Nov 13

PetePassword says...

In case anyone thinks the police shot them and the zoo was upset, I got this from Essex police:
'Colchester Zoo have their own contingency plan, which was initiated in this event. The animals were shot by the zoo firearms team.
Essex police provided support by protecting the public in the local area.'
So, just in case their carelessness lets animals free, they have their own team of armed killers waiting to swing into action. So much for darting them, so much for hand-fed wolves who would have come for their 'keepers'. I could have got them back alive and well, why couldn't these incompetents do so? They plead they're upset, but are clearly only concerned about money. The break in the fence was discovered at 7.30am and reported to the police at 2.30pm. Care? Money more like.
In case anyone thinks the police shot them and the zoo was upset, I got this from Essex police: 'Colchester Zoo have their own contingency plan, which was initiated in this event. The animals were shot by the zoo firearms team. Essex police provided support by protecting the public in the local area.' So, just in case their carelessness lets animals free, they have their own team of armed killers waiting to swing into action. So much for darting them, so much for hand-fed wolves who would have come for their 'keepers'. I could have got them back alive and well, why couldn't these incompetents do so? They plead they're upset, but are clearly only concerned about money. The break in the fence was discovered at 7.30am and reported to the police at 2.30pm. Care? Money more like. PetePassword

5:35pm Wed 27 Nov 13

rosaaaa5 says...

okay so perhaps my "ignorant stupid" comment wasn't agreed with. However, nobody knows how these animals, which have been kept in a zoo for most of their lives, would react to the public which they haven't been in proper contact with other than behind a glass window. I'm not going to start getting all political as everyone is entitled to their own opinion, however I feel it's ridiculous, as being a student gamekeeper myself, that this has been compared to shooting game birds. Yes, I agree wolves should be set back into the wild for deer populations, but in the right way, not just by letting them escape from a zoo and hoping for the best. It was dealt with in a way the authority felt right, it's done, and as sad as it is that these wolves were killed, there is nothing anyone can do to change it now.so perhaps we should concentrate on finding out why they were left to escape in the first place instead of saying "what if, we should of, we could of" etc. the damage is done now.
okay so perhaps my "ignorant stupid" comment wasn't agreed with. However, nobody knows how these animals, which have been kept in a zoo for most of their lives, would react to the public which they haven't been in proper contact with other than behind a glass window. I'm not going to start getting all political as everyone is entitled to their own opinion, however I feel it's ridiculous, as being a student gamekeeper myself, that this has been compared to shooting game birds. Yes, I agree wolves should be set back into the wild for deer populations, but in the right way, not just by letting them escape from a zoo and hoping for the best. It was dealt with in a way the authority felt right, it's done, and as sad as it is that these wolves were killed, there is nothing anyone can do to change it now.so perhaps we should concentrate on finding out why they were left to escape in the first place instead of saying "what if, we should of, we could of" etc. the damage is done now. rosaaaa5

6:28pm Wed 27 Nov 13

jantone says...

Wolves are very dangerous animals & can easily kill other animals. So the police were in their rights to kill them first!!
I rest my case, or would these "do gooders "rather see someone harmed by these creatures?
Wolves are very dangerous animals & can easily kill other animals. So the police were in their rights to kill them first!! I rest my case, or would these "do gooders "rather see someone harmed by these creatures? jantone

7:35pm Wed 27 Nov 13

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

The moment these dangerous animals ventured into the public domain, they became targets, sad yes, but an absolute must, don't have a pop at the Police, remember what Colchester Zoo is about, to make money, it is a business, out to make profit, they pretend to show compassion towards the animals, yet obviously left these Wolves in hovel condition caged enclosures.
The moment these dangerous animals ventured into the public domain, they became targets, sad yes, but an absolute must, don't have a pop at the Police, remember what Colchester Zoo is about, to make money, it is a business, out to make profit, they pretend to show compassion towards the animals, yet obviously left these Wolves in hovel condition caged enclosures. Nowthatsworthknowing

7:54pm Wed 27 Nov 13

/@|_|@\ says...

PetePassword wrote:
/@|_|@\ wrote:
Too (way too) many people anthropomorphise animals. Wolves, although canines, are NOT like your domesticated pets: nor are they endangered. If you would show as much attention to child molestation and abduction, your perspective might change. Were to learn the facts (which you likely wont get here) then the time it takes for a "dart" to take effect is INeffectual when it comes down to a wolf attacking a human. Sad though it may be, please, you (alll) should step back and think about this. There are wolves a-plenty (resurgent) and they must NEVER be thought of as simply "dogs" gone wild. They are (no longer) native to Essex and should never be again.

On the other hand ...
Way too many people come out with garbage like that from ignorance. No one is anthropomorphising, they all seem to be able to understand the wolf, which you clearly don't. There are not 'wolves aplenty' they have been destroyed all over the planet and many areas have none, like the UK, which should reintroduce them to control wild deer numbers. They are canids, dogs are canids, wolves aren't 'dogs gone wild' as you seem to assume their defenders think They should be wild in Essex as long as there are woods and deet, their natural prey. They don't attack humans, even when in large numbers as in Eastern Europpe and Canada. I wonder why naturalists don't shoot lions and other large predators dead rather than this darting which you claim is dangerous. Your argument is spurious.
My argument is what again? Ah. Spurious. Got it.

I did not say darting was dangerous (read english much?). What I said was that the time it took to take effect could be dangerous to the human were he being attacked. Dear dear dear. One could be forgiven thinking that english wasn't your primary language and that maybe you sport a coat of a different colour in other posts. On reflection you're punctuation belies any assertion you were anyone's "bhuddy" in here...

Now I'm supposed to accept that folk in here "understand" the wolf? Like the bloke who believes they are "spiritual" animals hence the tat on his arm? Oh-oh! Quick! Duck - there's a Flying Spaghetti Monster about to strafe you for your heresy! Puh-leeeeze.

FYI - Wolves have been reintroduced in the wild in North America where they've become resurgent (another word I suggest you look up, matey) to the point that they are now hunted. Don't be such a berk - reintroduce wolves to Essex? Wolves are pack animals, not loners: that means they HUNT in packs. They will eat you (hopefully as there'd be less dross in here to begin with) and more importantly your children. So, your argument is specious (yup - that's the word you were looking for).
[quote][p][bold]PetePassword[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]/@|_|@\[/bold] wrote: Too (way too) many people anthropomorphise animals. Wolves, although canines, are NOT like your domesticated pets: nor are they endangered. If you would show as much attention to child molestation and abduction, your perspective might change. Were to learn the facts (which you likely wont get here) then the time it takes for a "dart" to take effect is INeffectual when it comes down to a wolf attacking a human. Sad though it may be, please, you (alll) should step back and think about this. There are wolves a-plenty (resurgent) and they must NEVER be thought of as simply "dogs" gone wild. They are (no longer) native to Essex and should never be again. On the other hand ...[/p][/quote]Way too many people come out with garbage like that from ignorance. No one is anthropomorphising, they all seem to be able to understand the wolf, which you clearly don't. There are not 'wolves aplenty' they have been destroyed all over the planet and many areas have none, like the UK, which should reintroduce them to control wild deer numbers. They are canids, dogs are canids, wolves aren't 'dogs gone wild' as you seem to assume their defenders think [based on nothing] They should be wild in Essex as long as there are woods and deet, their natural prey. They don't attack humans, even when in large numbers as in Eastern Europpe and Canada. I wonder why naturalists don't shoot lions and other large predators dead rather than this darting which you claim is dangerous. Your argument is spurious.[/p][/quote]My argument is what again? Ah. Spurious. Got it. I did not say darting was dangerous (read english much?). What I said was that the time it took to take effect could be dangerous to the human were he being attacked. Dear dear dear. One could be forgiven thinking that english wasn't your primary language and that maybe you sport a coat of a different colour in other posts. On reflection you're punctuation belies any assertion you were anyone's "bhuddy" in here... Now I'm supposed to accept that folk in here "understand" the wolf? Like the bloke who believes they are "spiritual" animals hence the tat on his arm? Oh-oh! Quick! Duck - there's a Flying Spaghetti Monster about to strafe you for your heresy! Puh-leeeeze. FYI - Wolves have been reintroduced in the wild in North America where they've become resurgent (another word I suggest you look up, matey) to the point that they are now hunted. Don't be such a berk - reintroduce wolves to Essex? Wolves are pack animals, not loners: that means they HUNT in packs. They will eat you (hopefully as there'd be less dross in here to begin with) and more importantly your children. So, your argument is specious (yup - that's the word you were looking for). /@|_|@\

10:36pm Wed 27 Nov 13

snowheron says...

Talullahbelle wrote:
The Stinker Returns wrote:
Terribly sad that two had to be killed. Were they really likely to cause damage in the few minutes it would take to tranqualise them? Someone needs to be held responsible for the safety of these beautiful creatures.
Why are we all so quick to pass blame? You don't know the circumstances surrounding this escape so why make that kind of statement? What do you mean that somebody needs to be held responsible? Wait until the zoo releases a statement first. It may not have been human error.

Zoo keepers and staff are trained to deal with these situations and would have had the safety of themselves and others outside of the zoo at the forefront of their minds. Sad as it is, it sounds like a step that needed to be taken and I'm sure that the staff at the zoo are incredibly disappointed about the outcome.
So the wolves suffer .
Speciesism in action.
[quote][p][bold]Talullahbelle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: Terribly sad that two had to be killed. Were they really likely to cause damage in the few minutes it would take to tranqualise them? Someone needs to be held responsible for the safety of these beautiful creatures.[/p][/quote]Why are we all so quick to pass blame? You don't know the circumstances surrounding this escape so why make that kind of statement? What do you mean that somebody needs to be held responsible? Wait until the zoo releases a statement first. It may not have been human error. Zoo keepers and staff are trained to deal with these situations and would have had the safety of themselves and others outside of the zoo at the forefront of their minds. Sad as it is, it sounds like a step that needed to be taken and I'm sure that the staff at the zoo are incredibly disappointed about the outcome.[/p][/quote]So the wolves suffer . Speciesism in action. snowheron

12:42am Thu 28 Nov 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

snowheron wrote:
Talullahbelle wrote:
The Stinker Returns wrote:
Terribly sad that two had to be killed. Were they really likely to cause damage in the few minutes it would take to tranqualise them? Someone needs to be held responsible for the safety of these beautiful creatures.
Why are we all so quick to pass blame? You don't know the circumstances surrounding this escape so why make that kind of statement? What do you mean that somebody needs to be held responsible? Wait until the zoo releases a statement first. It may not have been human error.

Zoo keepers and staff are trained to deal with these situations and would have had the safety of themselves and others outside of the zoo at the forefront of their minds. Sad as it is, it sounds like a step that needed to be taken and I'm sure that the staff at the zoo are incredibly disappointed about the outcome.
So the wolves suffer .
Speciesism in action.
Right, just for once I'm going to be serious, because the word 'speciesism' is an incredibly stupid one, and it will be difficult to give this the contempt it deserves with a joke. For a start, snowheron, you are yourself 'speciesist'. The word 'species', actually applies to all species of life, not just other animals, but plant life and bacteria as well. You must be 'speciesist' against the latter two. You just have to be eating the poor old plant life, and presumably trying to fight off colds and other illnesses when you have them, or you simply wouldn't be on earth. The 'air diet' does not actually work, and I guess if you get a cold next week, you won't choose to encourage the life of the unfortunate, misunderstood, germs, by sitting outside in December in soaking wet clothes. An incredibly stupid word, because we are all 'speciesist'.

So for a start, you need another word for your 'philosophy'. But as a so-called 'philosophy', it falls apart in wild contradiction. I actually do believe in animal rights (though certainly not 'animal liberation', because liberation movements are about self-emancipation, and with the best will in the world, animals ain't going to do that)), and I have been arrested peacefully protesting when the live export trade came through Brightlingsea. The reason I believer in it is because I have a great faith in humanity. Now if I was to believe somehow that a human life was no more important than that of a tape worm (and the last time I checked it is another animal), or even the gang raping Mallard duck, I really wouldn't have much faith in humanity. If we are so low as a species (note a correct use and meaning of the word), what hope is there of human beings treating animals with dignity, and decency? None whatsoever, your rather unpleasant, reactionary, 'philosophy', is hoist by its own petard.

Anyway, as Boris has speculated, it's very likely that somebody like you cut the fence to 'free' the wolves, a bit like the idiots who 'freed' a load of mink into the English countryside, which destroyed the local wild life, and wrecked the local eco-system. So, was it you? And if so, do you think it turned out well for the wolves? And one final question,
why have you got the affliction of the racist bard of Jaywick,
of hitting the return key,
in such bizarre places?
I can assure you, what you write is most certainly not poetry.
[quote][p][bold]snowheron[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Talullahbelle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: Terribly sad that two had to be killed. Were they really likely to cause damage in the few minutes it would take to tranqualise them? Someone needs to be held responsible for the safety of these beautiful creatures.[/p][/quote]Why are we all so quick to pass blame? You don't know the circumstances surrounding this escape so why make that kind of statement? What do you mean that somebody needs to be held responsible? Wait until the zoo releases a statement first. It may not have been human error. Zoo keepers and staff are trained to deal with these situations and would have had the safety of themselves and others outside of the zoo at the forefront of their minds. Sad as it is, it sounds like a step that needed to be taken and I'm sure that the staff at the zoo are incredibly disappointed about the outcome.[/p][/quote]So the wolves suffer . Speciesism in action.[/p][/quote]Right, just for once I'm going to be serious, because the word 'speciesism' is an incredibly stupid one, and it will be difficult to give this the contempt it deserves with a joke. For a start, snowheron, you are yourself 'speciesist'. The word 'species', actually applies to all species of life, not just other animals, but plant life and bacteria as well. You must be 'speciesist' against the latter two. You just have to be eating the poor old plant life, and presumably trying to fight off colds and other illnesses when you have them, or you simply wouldn't be on earth. The 'air diet' does not actually work, and I guess if you get a cold next week, you won't choose to encourage the life of the unfortunate, misunderstood, germs, by sitting outside in December in soaking wet clothes. An incredibly stupid word, because we are all 'speciesist'. So for a start, you need another word for your 'philosophy'. But as a so-called 'philosophy', it falls apart in wild contradiction. I actually do believe in animal rights (though certainly not 'animal liberation', because liberation movements are about self-emancipation, and with the best will in the world, animals ain't going to do that)), and I have been arrested peacefully protesting when the live export trade came through Brightlingsea. The reason I believer in it is because I have a great faith in humanity. Now if I was to believe somehow that a human life was no more important than that of a tape worm (and the last time I checked it is another animal), or even the gang raping Mallard duck, I really wouldn't have much faith in humanity. If we are so low as a species (note a correct use and meaning of the word), what hope is there of human beings treating animals with dignity, and decency? None whatsoever, your rather unpleasant, reactionary, 'philosophy', is hoist by its own petard. Anyway, as Boris has speculated, it's very likely that somebody like you cut the fence to 'free' the wolves, a bit like the idiots who 'freed' a load of mink into the English countryside, which destroyed the local wild life, and wrecked the local eco-system. So, was it you? And if so, do you think it turned out well for the wolves? And one final question, why have you got the affliction of the racist bard of Jaywick, of hitting the return key, in such bizarre places? I can assure you, what you write is most certainly not poetry. Mail Member 4 Colchester

1:50pm Thu 28 Nov 13

snowheron says...

I would never free a zoo animal as that would be pretty stupid - have a great day!
I would never free a zoo animal as that would be pretty stupid - have a great day! snowheron

2:23pm Thu 28 Nov 13

Spirit13 says...

Oh dear rosaaaa5 please don't take offence but I feel you "misunderstood" my stating about shooting game birds. My statement was about killing anything, not making a comparison between a game bird and a wolf. Perhaps a visit to the University of life would be more appropriate than the University of Gamekeeping.
Oh dear rosaaaa5 please don't take offence but I feel you "misunderstood" my stating about shooting game birds. My statement was about killing anything, not making a comparison between a game bird and a wolf. Perhaps a visit to the University of life would be more appropriate than the University of Gamekeeping. Spirit13

5:21pm Thu 28 Nov 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

snowheron wrote:
I would never free a zoo animal as that would be pretty stupid - have a great day!
Yes it would be, a bit like (as I have proved beyond any reasonable doubt) using the word 'speciesism'.
[quote][p][bold]snowheron[/bold] wrote: I would never free a zoo animal as that would be pretty stupid - have a great day![/p][/quote]Yes it would be, a bit like (as I have proved beyond any reasonable doubt) using the word 'speciesism'. Mail Member 4 Colchester

6:41pm Thu 28 Nov 13

Justice79 says...

I'm sure the zoo will take some comfort that next time any of the animals escape they will be able to call upon the many many armchair zoologists above to assist.
I'm sure the zoo will take some comfort that next time any of the animals escape they will be able to call upon the many many armchair zoologists above to assist. Justice79

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