Plans backed for new Colchester housing estate (From Essex County Standard)

Surely the first person to object to these houses will be the MP Sir Bob Russell. He has gone on record saying that there should not be a KFC in Ipswich Road because of the traffic conjestion on a very busy road. . There will be even more conjestion from 200 homes than there will ever be than one KFC shop.

The roads are full, the schools cannot take any more pupils, the hospital has not got enough beds, there are very few jobs and the high street is dying.

Colchester Councils response.... lets get loads more people to come and live here.

I'm sure some nice little back handers for the chosen few while everyone else has to suffer

Agree with previous comments, this town is at full limits now! Old roads with traffic lights and queues everywhere. There are to many new builds here and we must all say enough is enough, we cant take anymore of these cheap built developments have turned our old town into a cheap over crowded dumps, Londoners and immigrants everywhere the place I loved has gone!

at least the immigrants pay their way, watch as most of them will be brought by councils in London to get rid of their tenants, come on Colchester,get a grip why not build half the houses and make them of a decent size with proper gardens that aren't all on top of each other, in about ten years the estates around myland/highwoods will be seen a lot worse than so called rough estates of today, at least they have a bit of space and greenery etc

Yeah,we can't have all them Londoners invading Ipswich Rd. with their jellied eels,whelks & rhyming slang ,it would drive all the chavs out of Colchester onto valuable arable land! Farmers have enough to cope with ,what with the weather & everything without massive chav pollution.
Also the real danger of the locals speaking in Mockney as tho they come from Tiptree or somewhere like that?

angryman!!! wrote:
at least the immigrants pay their way, watch as most of them will be brought by councils in London to get rid of their tenants, come on Colchester,get a grip why not build half the houses and make them of a decent size with proper gardens that aren't all on top of each other, in about ten years the estates around myland/highwoods will be seen a lot worse than so called rough estates of today, at least they have a bit of space and greenery etc

I agree. The councils in London aren't daft - its a great way to clear their books of all the more problemic families / tenants. And as for the accent... Just talk pwopa innit. More groups of young people talking like they are stood on the Old Kent Road. I give up.

roger bacon wrote:
Surely the first person to object to these houses will be the MP Sir Bob Russell. He has gone on record saying that there should not be a KFC in Ipswich Road because of the traffic conjestion on a very busy road. . There will be even more conjestion from 200 homes than there will ever be than one KFC shop.

A well balanced reply Roger.
So, for those that want the full story of just what is being applied for,
then read on.

http://idox.tendring
dc.gov.uk/online-app
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b=summary&keyVal=M8D
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seems the gazette story has missed some Important points.

200 houses on the former betts land is not a bad thing. If it houses people, be it foreign, London or local folk, everyone needs a roof right????
Besides, the might be luxury and unaffordable for most.

My only objection, and it is far more relevant, is why planning keeps being granted for housing but not for schools, kfc's, shops, and nightlife. If the town is allowed to grow, but grown in proportion then the town will improve.

super waluigi wrote:
200 houses on the former betts land is not a bad thing. If it houses people, be it foreign, London or local folk, everyone needs a roof right????
Besides, the might be luxury and unaffordable for most.

My only objection, and it is far more relevant, is why planning keeps being granted for housing but not for schools, kfc's, shops, and nightlife. If the town is allowed to grow, but grown in proportion then the town will improve.

Well I suppose someone (Essex) has to apply for planning permission before it can be granted.

A new Primary school is being built opposite the barracks estate on Mersea Road. So it does happen. Sometimes.

No change to infrastructure just building more and more houses...er something wrong here?

super waluigi wrote:
200 houses on the former betts land is not a bad thing. If it houses people, be it foreign, London or local folk, everyone needs a roof right????
Besides, the might be luxury and unaffordable for most.

My only objection, and it is far more relevant, is why planning keeps being granted for housing but not for schools, kfc's, shops, and nightlife. If the town is allowed to grow, but grown in proportion then the town will improve.

Not aware there was any past planning applications for Schools. 200 homes does not mean 200 more children. It is likely that Essex County would apply for planning permission for any new Schools and it is the Same County Planners that will approve any plans, getting planning permission for new Schoolls shouldn't be a peroblem. However the money to build them certainly is.
Nobody with any sense would want to build shops in present climate unless it's a big out of town development. As for KFC's put them beside Service Stations on the A12.
A

Adazibo wrote:

super waluigi wrote:
200 houses on the former betts land is not a bad thing. If it houses people, be it foreign, London or local folk, everyone needs a roof right????
Besides, the might be luxury and unaffordable for most.

My only objection, and it is far more relevant, is why planning keeps being granted for housing but not for schools, kfc's, shops, and nightlife. If the town is allowed to grow, but grown in proportion then the town will improve.

Not aware there was any past planning applications for Schools. 200 homes does not mean 200 more children. It is likely that Essex County would apply for planning permission for any new Schools and it is the Same County Planners that will approve any plans, getting planning permission for new Schoolls shouldn't be a peroblem. However the money to build them certainly is.
Nobody with any sense would want to build shops in present climate unless it's a big out of town development. As for KFC's put them beside Service Stations on the A12.
A

Hmmmm. But that's the point. Correct that 200 houses does not mean 200 children, but the schools in colchester are rammed full at the moment. Doctor surgerys are impossible to get appointments and the colchester general is taking a right kicking.

It is important to have a balanced infrastructure. Take Ipswich for example. They built a new estate on the airfield, put a school, chemist, fast food, local shop, surgery and still had enough time, money and effort to give the children a play area and field.

I am pro colchester growing in population. The town needs it. But it needs to grow together and not just its population.

Lastly, using Ipswich as an example again. It pains me too, simply because it is not really a good place, but look at their development at the quay. Compare it to colchester. I know we have student accommodation hence the cheap small apartments and domino pizza, but Ipswich put a row of plush restaurants along the front with some luxury apartments. Some shops too. Don't be fooled into thinking building shops is a bad idea. It would bring people in that's for sure.

i think all housing project's should be stopped until the roads are sorted out, everytime they build house's they put in a load of traffic lights, i can not understand why the council is hell bent on bringing this town down on it's knees i wonder how many working for council actually live in and around town. it seem's like stevie wonder work's out the road system

just to refresh our thoughts on the actual planning application,
and just whats being applied for,
as its not just new homes,

12/00885/OUT | Application for the demolition of existing buildings, remediation and earthworks, construction of a new access, bus turning area and junction as well as a spine road (details included within). Outline proposal for the erection of up to 118 residential units (C3 use), a 65 bed care home (C2 use)
and 1,300 square metres of commercial (A and B uses)
with associated hard and soft landscaping, surface water pumping station, footpaths, secondary access roads, perimeter enclosure, car parking and lighting (details being reserved matters). | 505 Ipswich Road Colchester Essex CO4 4HE

thus,
A1
Shops Class I Shops, retail warehouses, hairdressers, undertakers, travel and ticket agencies, post offices, dry cleaners, etc
Pet shops, cats-meat shops, tripe shops, sandwich bars

Showrooms, domestic hire shops, funeral directors
No permitted change
(see note 3)
A2
Financial and
Professional
Services Class II Banks, building societies, estate and employment agencies
Professional and financial services, betting offices
Permitted change to A1 where a ground floor
display window exists
(see note 3)
A3
Food and Drink Restaurants, pubs, snack bars, cafés, wine bars, shops for sale of hot food Permitted change to A1 or A2
Sui Generis
(see note 4) Shops selling and/or displaying motor vehicles


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Launderettes, taxi or vehicle hire businesses, amusement centres, petrol filling stations Permitted change to A1


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No permitted change
B1
Business
(see note 5) Class II





Class III Offices, not within A2
Research and development studios, laboratories, high tech

Light industry
Permitted change to B8 where no more than 235sqm
B2
General Industrial
(see note 6) Class IV-IX General industrial Permitted change to B1 or B8
B8 limited to no more than 235 sqm
B8
Storage and distribution Class X Wholesale warehouse, distribution centres, repositories Permitted change to B1 where no more than 235 sqm

So, for those who show Interests within the application,
you should be enquiring as to what part of A
and
B class uses are propposed to be built within the new community.

so they are going to build house's with little or no garden's so as the children get to the age off 7 and above they will be playing on the nice play area's put in with the sign's saying no ball game's, and puting in buisness property's because let's face we haven't got alot of them standing empty in and around colchester, and let's not forget the extra traffic light's to cause more hold up's. Still the more houses and buisness property's that go up the more council tax which means the more public money to waste???

What a win win result for Tendring. Houses are built on "their" land which will mainly use the services of Colchester and not theirs however, they will still receive the council tax.

Checkout wrote:
What a win win result for Tendring. Houses are built on "their" land which will mainly use the services of Colchester and not theirs however, they will still receive the council tax.

Can't begrudge the residents of TDC this advantage. They were major users of our bus station, which CBC chose to get rid of, so we no longer provide them with an adequate place to change buses. Therefore if TDC gains an advantage from this project, we have no right to complain.

I think that the town has grown to an extreme that the council will need to privatise their services. I was working on the refuse collection a few months ago and the workforce is stretched now without adding more stress to the system.

The problem is that they council need to invest more into this area before they even contemplate adding more work otherwise it will be in an even worse state of affairs than it already is.


When will this council learn to stop spending what they dont have or when to use resources properly.

I think I should run the council lol

"An agreement brokered between Colchester Council and the developer means 20 per cent of homes would have to be set aside as affordable housing."

What tosh! They didn't broker a deal its part of the new build regulations, they have to have affordable housing on the site.

Just as well we got rid of the old bus station then Boris if it was mainly for the use of Tendring residents.

CBC has a £5 million deficit so building more cheap houses means thy get £1000 a year for each of them.

We are not residents of the area however; we fly about all over the place usually travelling by train or charabanc. We did once travel by limousine until we had to lay off the chauffer. This was due to the very hard times caused by the “Thatcher Years”. Not being able to drive ourselves and riding our bicycles became somewhat dangerous on these overcrowded B roads. We took the alternative public Transport “The All Famous Omnibus” We soon discovered that due to deregulation of the public transport. That what once had been a very reliable service was now operating in a somewhat “Maverick” fashion. This then made us use the Railways, and taking advantage of their special reduced travel scheme. They then started to alter the travelling hours for these day type tickets.
Therefore, we had to return to the very old method of getting away for two or three days. The daily “Excursion” which allowed you to book a return ticket. We had now returned to the 1930s/40s and 50s method of travelling with the 1990s prices. These prices soon escalated so instead of six or seven short breaks we have had to now safe up for two trips per year. Now we read some statement about “Affordable Housing” being built. First, affordable housing is what someone can purchase with ease.
If they lose their means of income through no fault of their own (surplus to requirement) being the going phrase. How do they continue to reside in their affordable purchase home?
These phrases are some politicians’ way of trying to justify their existence. Pretending to be concerned at what happens to those who have been made homeless through allowing Europeans to enter the UK work for peanuts, and live of our benefits system. While totally, ignoring what is happening to the indigenous population.

Checkout wrote:
Just as well we got rid of the old bus station then Boris if it was mainly for the use of Tendring residents.

oh dear checkout,
it seems the TDC residents who used to shop in your town have checked out and are shopping elesewhere.
your thoughts and wishes have increased the closure of your towns struggling trading zones even more.
Its Inward thinking like yours that Colchester does not need.
TDC residents seem to be busy most days now spending there money within TDC`s remit.
Only yesterday, my dear wife & daughter spoke of driving into colchester one day soon to do some shopping.
I reminded them of the future closures of High Street roads, and the fact of the only shop in colchester towns appeal for myself has now closed, except its one or two fast food outlets.
RIP jacks.
CBC has/is denighing current and future shoppers access slowly by stealth, until one day it will implode within its self.
therefore,
sadly,
Colchester RIP too one day soon.

"An agreement brokered between Colchester Council and the developer means 20 per cent of homes would have to be set aside as affordable housing"

This is political spin at its best... Colchester's Affordable Housing SPD requires 35% of homes. An agreement has been brokered...in favour of the developer!

jeffbridges wrote:

Checkout wrote:
Just as well we got rid of the old bus station then Boris if it was mainly for the use of Tendring residents.

oh dear checkout,
it seems the TDC residents who used to shop in your town have checked out and are shopping elesewhere.
your thoughts and wishes have increased the closure of your towns struggling trading zones even more.
Its Inward thinking like yours that Colchester does not need.
TDC residents seem to be busy most days now spending there money within TDC`s remit.
Only yesterday, my dear wife & daughter spoke of driving into colchester one day soon to do some shopping.
I reminded them of the future closures of High Street roads, and the fact of the only shop in colchester towns appeal for myself has now closed, except its one or two fast food outlets.
RIP jacks.
CBC has/is denighing current and future shoppers access slowly by stealth, until one day it will implode within its self.
therefore,
sadly,
Colchester RIP too one day soon.

Jeff, alias Ian, you are right and Checkout is wrong.
The idea that our bus station (when we had one) was only for the use of locals was obviously false. The whole point of a bus station is that you change buses there. This means that you have come from out of town, or you are going to somewhere out of town.
And if Colchester makes it difficult for people to do that, then they will stop coming here to spend their money, just like your two dear ladies.
We have to make our town attractive to people, whether they come from Clacton, or Romford, or Kalamazoo, or Tegucigalpa. And their requirements are not necessarily the same as ours. This is what the boneheads running past and present CBC cabinets have never understood.

d m weston wrote:
so they are going to build house's with little or no garden's so as the children get to the age off 7 and above they will be playing on the nice play area's put in with the sign's saying no ball game's, and puting in buisness property's because let's face we haven't got alot of them standing empty in and around colchester, and let's not forget the extra traffic light's to cause more hold up's. Still the more houses and buisness property's that go up the more council tax which means the more public money to waste???

D.M. Weston,
Once we had houses built to the Parker Morris space standards. This under the Thatcher Administration became defunct.
Parker Morris laid out what size habitable room must be. Furthermore, on how much land had to be allocated to each property. Many properties that belonged to the Council were designed to these recommended standards. Only being familiar with one area of Colchester that had these types of residential buildings for residents free from a military career. Was the Wilson Marriage Road area, I am not sure what the estate was known has. During my military service, I had some very good friends who actually lived on that estate.
Now with the Parker Morris regulation, not having to be adhered too we have houses built which have gardens of open plan, bedrooms of sizes that are about three quarters the size of our old housing properties. If developers are allowed to carry on building for profit. They will have us back to terraced rows with a back yard not bath, and an outside privy.

Olley Owl Owd Betts Barn wrote:

d m weston wrote:
so they are going to build house's with little or no garden's so as the children get to the age off 7 and above they will be playing on the nice play area's put in with the sign's saying no ball game's, and puting in buisness property's because let's face we haven't got alot of them standing empty in and around colchester, and let's not forget the extra traffic light's to cause more hold up's. Still the more houses and buisness property's that go up the more council tax which means the more public money to waste???

D.M. Weston,
Once we had houses built to the Parker Morris space standards. This under the Thatcher Administration became defunct.
Parker Morris laid out what size habitable room must be. Furthermore, on how much land had to be allocated to each property. Many properties that belonged to the Council were designed to these recommended standards. Only being familiar with one area of Colchester that had these types of residential buildings for residents free from a military career. Was the Wilson Marriage Road area, I am not sure what the estate was known has. During my military service, I had some very good friends who actually lived on that estate.
Now with the Parker Morris regulation, not having to be adhered too we have houses built which have gardens of open plan, bedrooms of sizes that are about three quarters the size of our old housing properties. If developers are allowed to carry on building for profit. They will have us back to terraced rows with a back yard not bath, and an outside privy.

Olley, you are right. It is time to bring back the Parker Morris standards, and for private sector houses as well as public. We don't want thousands more little boxes made of ticky-tacky.
.
Anyone in doubt about this can google "parker morris standards" and see what Olley is on about.

"We had now returned to the 1930s/40s and 50s method of travelling with the 1990s prices."

the 90s where some years ago now but I understand you. Unfortunately this is what you get when you (dont)vote in an incompetent government , and an incompetent(read corrupt) planning committee.

You obviously didn't ever intend to use the bus station then jeffbridges. A bit like Boris who never used it but always had plenty to say about the smelly old wino inhabited slum.
Do feel free to shop exclusively in TDC (if you can find anything worth buying there).

Checkout wrote:
You obviously didn't ever intend to use the bus station then jeffbridges. A bit like Boris who never used it but always had plenty to say about the smelly old wino inhabited slum. Do feel free to shop exclusively in TDC (if you can find anything worth buying there).

oh dear checkout, your bitterness betrays your like of your own town.
such a shame that, as you should really be proud of something in your life.
So, factually, I did use the bus station from time to time, but alas only on my way through to onwards travel to the city of london.
I am not proud, but do possess a reduced cost coach travel card due to my age.
I also feel the need to share with you that I own a "car"
I will also share a secret that I also own a traditional Vespa motor scooter,
thus, not being stuck for my personal needs at any one given time.
Can I also share with you the fact of my enjoying my coach travel at times,
and even my free bus and minibus travel provided by a ECC grant aid funded scheme where we free bus pass users can travel into most areas and hospitals within Colchester,
then return pre booked free of charge also.
It seems us coastal dwellers are more mobile enabled than "some" of you and your fellow CBC residents,
we being free to spend our pennies & pounds as we wish,
and not just within TDC and its local regions.
Treat this as your personal Information, as I would hate it ever got out the freedom we Indulge in my Tendring District.

Colchester is full of good ideas and good intentions but it all ends up in chaos!
The traffic is diabolical, has anyone been to ASDA on a Saturday? Brook Street between 4.30 - 6pm? Cowdray Avenue? Ipswich Road? The Hythe? Seriously, this town is fast becoming a joke! I've lived here all my life and I want to leave! Crime is higher, schools and the hospital are struggling!
Can't the money set aside be used for more constructive issues, such as extending the hospital or as previous posts mention, building more schools?
Even repairing the potholes in the roads would help!
What's happening with old swimming pool on Abbeyfields? The site is big enough for a school. It appears CBC are all for making money but helping the old residents of the town is way down the list of priorities.

Whatever else you might be jeffbridges, you are a great deal more verbose than most. Please don't bother to share anything else with me, your "interesting" life is a bit too much to envisage.

Checkout wrote:
Whatever else you might be jeffbridges, you are a great deal more verbose than most. Please don't bother to share anything else with me, your "interesting" life is a bit too much to envisage.

Granted Checkout,
should I ever need to be as dull or dross as yourself, I will ask your respective permission to be so.
Have a nice weekend.