LIVE: Updates from Colchester Council meeting to decide if residents who do not recycle should be fined

MEMBERS of Colchester Council Finance and Audit Scrutiny Panel are due to debate the merits of fining residents who persistently refuse to recycle.

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8:38pm Mon 28 Jan 13

Fellulah69 says...

Last time i checked it wasnt illegal to not recycle so how can they fine people who dont?!? I am a big recycler but you cant force people to do it. Maybe provide wheelie bins and allow mixed goods like a lot of other councils do rather than having to separate everything, and people might do it more.
Last time i checked it wasnt illegal to not recycle so how can they fine people who dont?!? I am a big recycler but you cant force people to do it. Maybe provide wheelie bins and allow mixed goods like a lot of other councils do rather than having to separate everything, and people might do it more. Fellulah69
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11:16pm Mon 28 Jan 13

Reginald47 says...

According to the report the council is only legally obliged to collect waste etc if it is put out in the way that the council decides. So I suppose if the council says recyclables should be placed out separately from residual waste, not recycling is not legal.
According to the report the council is only legally obliged to collect waste etc if it is put out in the way that the council decides. So I suppose if the council says recyclables should be placed out separately from residual waste, not recycling is not legal. Reginald47
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2:14am Tue 29 Jan 13

oliver25 says...

i would be more than happy to recycle , but living in a communial area, with only one bin allocated for several flats , i find this impossible , i did visit Angel court once to enquire about recycling plans in my area only to have the member of staff shrug her shoulders at me !! , not being a car owner also makes this impossible too ....... surely no fines for this ??
i would be more than happy to recycle , but living in a communial area, with only one bin allocated for several flats , i find this impossible , i did visit Angel court once to enquire about recycling plans in my area only to have the member of staff shrug her shoulders at me !! , not being a car owner also makes this impossible too ....... surely no fines for this ?? oliver25
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3:47am Tue 29 Jan 13

G.Speel says...

My food waste goes into my waste disposal unit as I can't stand the thought of rotting smelly food hanging around. My glass recycling is taken either to the Shrub End Road tip or a supermarket's recycling bins. Paper & card goes to the tip as does any other recycling they will take. How can CBC 'police' that? I DO recycle but in a slightly different way to other people. Will CBC fine me for that? CBC want plastics recycled but when we took a bag of plastics to Shrub End Road we were told to put it in general waste as there was no specific bin for it! What is this ECC vs CBC? Get real you lot.
My food waste goes into my waste disposal unit as I can't stand the thought of rotting smelly food hanging around. My glass recycling is taken either to the Shrub End Road tip or a supermarket's recycling bins. Paper & card goes to the tip as does any other recycling they will take. How can CBC 'police' that? I DO recycle but in a slightly different way to other people. Will CBC fine me for that? CBC want plastics recycled but when we took a bag of plastics to Shrub End Road we were told to put it in general waste as there was no specific bin for it! What is this ECC vs CBC? Get real you lot. G.Speel
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8:22am Tue 29 Jan 13

Say It As It Is OK? says...

Its a scatterbrained idea that frankly would cost too much to enforce as well as, in most cases be impossible to prove.

I recall finding a large bag of builders rubble dumped outside a property I owned in Newtown. The bin men refused to take it. It wasn't my waste. Would I be fined?

Remember the council don't collect rubbish from individual properties, they operate a "kerbside" collection only and rubbish can be left outside the property, on the pavement, from 4pm the day before collection is due. From that point does the resident remain responsible for what has been left outside the boundary of their property?

Surely without the council changing the way they collect household waste (direct from the household) which is not necessary, then the current system is open for others, who don't recycle, to dump their rubbish outside any property.
Its a scatterbrained idea that frankly would cost too much to enforce as well as, in most cases be impossible to prove. I recall finding a large bag of builders rubble dumped outside a property I owned in Newtown. The bin men refused to take it. It wasn't my waste. Would I be fined? Remember the council don't collect rubbish from individual properties, they operate a "kerbside" collection only and rubbish can be left outside the property, on the pavement, from 4pm the day before collection is due. From that point does the resident remain responsible for what has been left outside the boundary of their property? Surely without the council changing the way they collect household waste (direct from the household) which is not necessary, then the current system is open for others, who don't recycle, to dump their rubbish outside any property. Say It As It Is OK?
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8:35am Tue 29 Jan 13

jammin says...

I think its for people like my neighbours. I put out a barely even half full black bag and one full bag of plastics or paper + the green bin full of cans and glass every week. They chuck out 5-6 black bags every week. Once the foxes and cats have ripped them open you can see bottles, cans, paper - RECYCLING - all over the place.

Their the kind of people that need to be fined. Lazy, inconsiderate slobs.
I think its for people like my neighbours. I put out a barely even half full black bag and one full bag of plastics or paper + the green bin full of cans and glass every week. They chuck out 5-6 black bags every week. Once the foxes and cats have ripped them open you can see bottles, cans, paper - RECYCLING - all over the place. Their the kind of people that need to be fined. Lazy, inconsiderate slobs. jammin
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8:54am Tue 29 Jan 13

TheCaptain says...

oliver25 wrote:
i would be more than happy to recycle , but living in a communial area, with only one bin allocated for several flats , i find this impossible , i did visit Angel court once to enquire about recycling plans in my area only to have the member of staff shrug her shoulders at me !! , not being a car owner also makes this impossible too ....... surely no fines for this ??
No you couldn't be fined if there were no recycling facilities at your property
[quote][p][bold]oliver25[/bold] wrote: i would be more than happy to recycle , but living in a communial area, with only one bin allocated for several flats , i find this impossible , i did visit Angel court once to enquire about recycling plans in my area only to have the member of staff shrug her shoulders at me !! , not being a car owner also makes this impossible too ....... surely no fines for this ??[/p][/quote]No you couldn't be fined if there were no recycling facilities at your property TheCaptain
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8:55am Tue 29 Jan 13

TheCaptain says...

Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
Its a scatterbrained idea that frankly would cost too much to enforce as well as, in most cases be impossible to prove.

I recall finding a large bag of builders rubble dumped outside a property I owned in Newtown. The bin men refused to take it. It wasn't my waste. Would I be fined?

Remember the council don't collect rubbish from individual properties, they operate a "kerbside" collection only and rubbish can be left outside the property, on the pavement, from 4pm the day before collection is due. From that point does the resident remain responsible for what has been left outside the boundary of their property?

Surely without the council changing the way they collect household waste (direct from the household) which is not necessary, then the current system is open for others, who don't recycle, to dump their rubbish outside any property.
You need to report that as fly tipping if it's on public land.

I assume so investigation would take place. If the bags contains letters with your address on then the rubbish is yours....
[quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: Its a scatterbrained idea that frankly would cost too much to enforce as well as, in most cases be impossible to prove. I recall finding a large bag of builders rubble dumped outside a property I owned in Newtown. The bin men refused to take it. It wasn't my waste. Would I be fined? Remember the council don't collect rubbish from individual properties, they operate a "kerbside" collection only and rubbish can be left outside the property, on the pavement, from 4pm the day before collection is due. From that point does the resident remain responsible for what has been left outside the boundary of their property? Surely without the council changing the way they collect household waste (direct from the household) which is not necessary, then the current system is open for others, who don't recycle, to dump their rubbish outside any property.[/p][/quote]You need to report that as fly tipping if it's on public land. I assume so investigation would take place. If the bags contains letters with your address on then the rubbish is yours.... TheCaptain
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9:58am Tue 29 Jan 13

romantic says...

People need to be encouraged to recycle, but not sure if fining people will achieve this.

It would work far better if people were paid for their recycling. Just a nominal amount, but money that can be claimed back every so often. You pay for it by the fact that less landfill space is being used. Do that, and plenty of those who are currently too lazy to recycle, or just do not see the point, will soon sign up to it.
People need to be encouraged to recycle, but not sure if fining people will achieve this. It would work far better if people were paid for their recycling. Just a nominal amount, but money that can be claimed back every so often. You pay for it by the fact that less landfill space is being used. Do that, and plenty of those who are currently too lazy to recycle, or just do not see the point, will soon sign up to it. romantic
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12:17pm Tue 29 Jan 13

DelA says...

If they collected every piece instead of leaving some behind ie waste food and sometimes paper and cupboard l, I would do more. They should have some pride in their work.
If they collected every piece instead of leaving some behind ie waste food and sometimes paper and cupboard l, I would do more. They should have some pride in their work. DelA
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1:12pm Tue 29 Jan 13

TheCaptain says...

DelA wrote:
If they collected every piece instead of leaving some behind ie waste food and sometimes paper and cupboard l, I would do more. They should have some pride in their work.
Generally spilt waste is caused by people not containing things very well or leaving bags out to early.

My road is on the food waste trial and those of us who use this have no problems. However the people who can't be bothered and dump their food waste in black bags always have their backed ripped open by the local cats. Everyone needs to take responsibility for their own rubbish and not blame someone else
[quote][p][bold]DelA[/bold] wrote: If they collected every piece instead of leaving some behind ie waste food and sometimes paper and cupboard l, I would do more. They should have some pride in their work.[/p][/quote]Generally spilt waste is caused by people not containing things very well or leaving bags out to early. My road is on the food waste trial and those of us who use this have no problems. However the people who can't be bothered and dump their food waste in black bags always have their backed ripped open by the local cats. Everyone needs to take responsibility for their own rubbish and not blame someone else TheCaptain
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1:17pm Tue 29 Jan 13

DelA says...

Oh dear!! Right! We put food waste in the green box, then a person comes to collect it. Just tips it up and not all the waste falls out (ie watched them) as they do not shake the dam thing or tap it on the side of their wheelie bin. Also just today, paper collected but some left under the red box.
Oh dear!! Right! We put food waste in the green box, then a person comes to collect it. Just tips it up and not all the waste falls out (ie watched them) as they do not shake the dam thing or tap it on the side of their wheelie bin. Also just today, paper collected but some left under the red box. DelA
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2:44pm Tue 29 Jan 13

JCoe1980 says...

I will not recycle. Ruins the look of my utility room! Pah!
I will not recycle. Ruins the look of my utility room! Pah! JCoe1980
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3:19pm Tue 29 Jan 13

wellnow says...

It's a percentage thing if a high percentage recycle that's good.trying to fine those that don't recycle is plain stupid.that means our council will probably go for fining with the refuse lads acting as judge and jury, they would love that.
It's a percentage thing if a high percentage recycle that's good.trying to fine those that don't recycle is plain stupid.that means our council will probably go for fining with the refuse lads acting as judge and jury, they would love that. wellnow
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3:22pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Say It As It Is OK? says...

TheCaptain wrote:
Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
Its a scatterbrained idea that frankly would cost too much to enforce as well as, in most cases be impossible to prove.

I recall finding a large bag of builders rubble dumped outside a property I owned in Newtown. The bin men refused to take it. It wasn't my waste. Would I be fined?

Remember the council don't collect rubbish from individual properties, they operate a "kerbside" collection only and rubbish can be left outside the property, on the pavement, from 4pm the day before collection is due. From that point does the resident remain responsible for what has been left outside the boundary of their property?

Surely without the council changing the way they collect household waste (direct from the household) which is not necessary, then the current system is open for others, who don't recycle, to dump their rubbish outside any property.
You need to report that as fly tipping if it's on public land.

I assume so investigation would take place. If the bags contains letters with your address on then the rubbish is yours....
The builders rubble was reported by me. After three weeks the council finally removed it from the kerbside. As you say it was on public land, eg; the edge of the pavement.

We do recycle but the crux of the matter is the council has to prove who left the offending material before they can prosecute and just because something is left outside someone's home that is not proof it belongs to that householder.

The issuing of fixed penalties, in most cases, would cost the council more. And anyone who leaves a paper trail of names and addresses deserve to be prosecuted.
[quote][p][bold]TheCaptain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: Its a scatterbrained idea that frankly would cost too much to enforce as well as, in most cases be impossible to prove. I recall finding a large bag of builders rubble dumped outside a property I owned in Newtown. The bin men refused to take it. It wasn't my waste. Would I be fined? Remember the council don't collect rubbish from individual properties, they operate a "kerbside" collection only and rubbish can be left outside the property, on the pavement, from 4pm the day before collection is due. From that point does the resident remain responsible for what has been left outside the boundary of their property? Surely without the council changing the way they collect household waste (direct from the household) which is not necessary, then the current system is open for others, who don't recycle, to dump their rubbish outside any property.[/p][/quote]You need to report that as fly tipping if it's on public land. I assume so investigation would take place. If the bags contains letters with your address on then the rubbish is yours....[/p][/quote]The builders rubble was reported by me. After three weeks the council finally removed it from the kerbside. As you say it was on public land, eg; the edge of the pavement. We do recycle but the crux of the matter is the council has to prove who left the offending material before they can prosecute and just because something is left outside someone's home that is not proof it belongs to that householder. The issuing of fixed penalties, in most cases, would cost the council more. And anyone who leaves a paper trail of names and addresses deserve to be prosecuted. Say It As It Is OK?
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5:02pm Tue 29 Jan 13

zt00013 says...

The UK woefully lags behind most of Western Europe on recycling, it is not an issue of individual freedom, the freedom to pollute the planet and your local environment because your bone idol and lazy is not freedom, it is an affront to societies freedom, to enjoy a healthy environment.

So long as the council makes all the proper provisions for the recycling to be done well, this should not be a problem. I now live in Lambeth and the recycling regime there is brilliant and well ordered. Assuming it is organised well, it is right and proper that ignorant people are punished for their selfish actions.
The UK woefully lags behind most of Western Europe on recycling, it is not an issue of individual freedom, the freedom to pollute the planet and your local environment because your bone idol and lazy is not freedom, it is an affront to societies freedom, to enjoy a healthy environment. So long as the council makes all the proper provisions for the recycling to be done well, this should not be a problem. I now live in Lambeth and the recycling regime there is brilliant and well ordered. Assuming it is organised well, it is right and proper that ignorant people are punished for their selfish actions. zt00013
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10:38pm Tue 29 Jan 13

theequaliser1 says...

Why should people be fined for all and sundry?
Next it will be sneezing in the street in public.
How can you prove that you recycle or not.
People will just load up there wares in a supermarket chuck away carrier bag and hide it in a black bin liner, the bin liners are not numbered you will only get caught if you have stuff with your name inside the bag like letters etc.
Better to educate people by debate and interjection, than sending penalty notices in the post.
How about fines for poor council staff and public council representatives who make dodgy and silly decisions
Why should people be fined for all and sundry? Next it will be sneezing in the street in public. How can you prove that you recycle or not. People will just load up there wares in a supermarket chuck away carrier bag and hide it in a black bin liner, the bin liners are not numbered you will only get caught if you have stuff with your name inside the bag like letters etc. Better to educate people by debate and interjection, than sending penalty notices in the post. How about fines for poor council staff and public council representatives who make dodgy and silly decisions theequaliser1
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12:45pm Wed 30 Jan 13

zt00013 says...

Why would people do that with their rubbish, when they have the option of recycling, provided by the council, such a person would be an extremely lazy and self centered individual.

Education would of course go hand in hand with an efficient policy enforcing good recycling principles

A fine would occur if you repeatedly put all rubbish in one bag rather than taking the time to organise it and thus recycle properly.
Why would people do that with their rubbish, when they have the option of recycling, provided by the council, such a person would be an extremely lazy and self centered individual. Education would of course go hand in hand with an efficient policy enforcing good recycling principles A fine would occur if you repeatedly put all rubbish in one bag rather than taking the time to organise it and thus recycle properly. zt00013
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12:14pm Thu 31 Jan 13

TheCaptain says...

Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
TheCaptain wrote:
Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
Its a scatterbrained idea that frankly would cost too much to enforce as well as, in most cases be impossible to prove.

I recall finding a large bag of builders rubble dumped outside a property I owned in Newtown. The bin men refused to take it. It wasn't my waste. Would I be fined?

Remember the council don't collect rubbish from individual properties, they operate a "kerbside" collection only and rubbish can be left outside the property, on the pavement, from 4pm the day before collection is due. From that point does the resident remain responsible for what has been left outside the boundary of their property?

Surely without the council changing the way they collect household waste (direct from the household) which is not necessary, then the current system is open for others, who don't recycle, to dump their rubbish outside any property.
You need to report that as fly tipping if it's on public land.

I assume so investigation would take place. If the bags contains letters with your address on then the rubbish is yours....
The builders rubble was reported by me. After three weeks the council finally removed it from the kerbside. As you say it was on public land, eg; the edge of the pavement.

We do recycle but the crux of the matter is the council has to prove who left the offending material before they can prosecute and just because something is left outside someone's home that is not proof it belongs to that householder.

The issuing of fixed penalties, in most cases, would cost the council more. And anyone who leaves a paper trail of names and addresses deserve to be prosecuted.
That's unusual , I've reported fly tipping a few times and it's always gone within 2 or 3 days.

Yes it will be difficult to prove who has not recycled. Possible just a few fines reported in the press might make other think. I doubt it though.
[quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheCaptain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: Its a scatterbrained idea that frankly would cost too much to enforce as well as, in most cases be impossible to prove. I recall finding a large bag of builders rubble dumped outside a property I owned in Newtown. The bin men refused to take it. It wasn't my waste. Would I be fined? Remember the council don't collect rubbish from individual properties, they operate a "kerbside" collection only and rubbish can be left outside the property, on the pavement, from 4pm the day before collection is due. From that point does the resident remain responsible for what has been left outside the boundary of their property? Surely without the council changing the way they collect household waste (direct from the household) which is not necessary, then the current system is open for others, who don't recycle, to dump their rubbish outside any property.[/p][/quote]You need to report that as fly tipping if it's on public land. I assume so investigation would take place. If the bags contains letters with your address on then the rubbish is yours....[/p][/quote]The builders rubble was reported by me. After three weeks the council finally removed it from the kerbside. As you say it was on public land, eg; the edge of the pavement. We do recycle but the crux of the matter is the council has to prove who left the offending material before they can prosecute and just because something is left outside someone's home that is not proof it belongs to that householder. The issuing of fixed penalties, in most cases, would cost the council more. And anyone who leaves a paper trail of names and addresses deserve to be prosecuted.[/p][/quote]That's unusual , I've reported fly tipping a few times and it's always gone within 2 or 3 days. Yes it will be difficult to prove who has not recycled. Possible just a few fines reported in the press might make other think. I doubt it though. TheCaptain
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12:23pm Thu 31 Jan 13

SOMETHING2SAY says...

Straying slightly....why cant Tendring council collect our glass from our homes ?
Straying slightly....why cant Tendring council collect our glass from our homes ? SOMETHING2SAY
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1:51pm Thu 31 Jan 13

wellnow says...

Straying slightly why dosent the queen abdecate in favour of charles.
Straying slightly why dosent the queen abdecate in favour of charles. wellnow
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3:55pm Thu 31 Jan 13

romantic says...

wellnow wrote:
Straying slightly why dosent the queen abdecate in favour of charles.
Speaking as an atheist and Republican, my understanding is that the Queen sees her role as not just a job called "Queen", but as a commitment made at the Coronation to continue until death, be that a short time or a long time. She sees it as her duty before God, and considers that only God gets to decide when the time is up.

Chances are this means a series of middle-aged monarchs: guesstimate Charles in 2020, say. He lives to 2035, William (by then in his mid-50s) takes over and lives another 30 years, by which time the currently unborn 3rd in line is in his/her 50s and the year is 2065. Or maybe we atheist Republicans will get our way by then!

Of course, unexpected stuff can happen, but that sequence is pretty much set in stone unless something unforseen happens.
[quote][p][bold]wellnow[/bold] wrote: Straying slightly why dosent the queen abdecate in favour of charles.[/p][/quote]Speaking as an atheist and Republican, my understanding is that the Queen sees her role as not just a job called "Queen", but as a commitment made at the Coronation to continue until death, be that a short time or a long time. She sees it as her duty before God, and considers that only God gets to decide when the time is up. Chances are this means a series of middle-aged monarchs: guesstimate Charles in 2020, say. He lives to 2035, William (by then in his mid-50s) takes over and lives another 30 years, by which time the currently unborn 3rd in line is in his/her 50s and the year is 2065. Or maybe we atheist Republicans will get our way by then! Of course, unexpected stuff can happen, but that sequence is pretty much set in stone unless something unforseen happens. romantic
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5:14pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Reginald47 says...

Does the Queen recycle?
Does the Queen recycle? Reginald47
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8:28am Fri 1 Feb 13

wellnow says...

Straying a bit more slightly.who wishes that gordon brown and his mob had been put back in to sort out the mess and not this bunch of moronic scroungers.
Straying a bit more slightly.who wishes that gordon brown and his mob had been put back in to sort out the mess and not this bunch of moronic scroungers. wellnow
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2:43pm Sat 2 Feb 13

John Vencato says...

wellnow wrote:
Straying a bit more slightly.who wishes that gordon brown and his mob had been put back in to sort out the mess and not this bunch of moronic scroungers.
Please come back Gordon Brown all is forgiven.
We made mistake or Mr Clegg did?
[quote][p][bold]wellnow[/bold] wrote: Straying a bit more slightly.who wishes that gordon brown and his mob had been put back in to sort out the mess and not this bunch of moronic scroungers.[/p][/quote]Please come back Gordon Brown all is forgiven. We made mistake or Mr Clegg did? John Vencato
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